Which is because of greedy bastards like you, we'll always need unions in this country...

[MrScorpio]

[dhill926]

1. that fuckstick actually said that?

guess his workers revenge, is making really shitty pizza….

[badtoworse]

2. He is correct. Profit sharing is and always has been at management's discretion.

Many companies pay their workers a nice fat bonus if the company has a good year. Builds loyalty and motivates excellent performance. My employers have always paid a nice bonus in good years. ETA: It is always understood that the bonus is not guaranteed.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

7. wow. just fucking wow. perhaps, you made a wrong turn on your way to CC?

[badtoworse]

9. I made a factual statement. What do you disagree with?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

10. see my post #6 below. =

and fuck a bunch of "legal" nonsense jive. There are ethics and morals to be considered here.

[badtoworse]

12. The business world is not laid out that way

Many companies do pay bonuses, but they are under no obligation, moral, ethical or otherwise, to do so. The reason companies pay bonus compensation is to align the employees' interests with those of management. It's frequently tied to the achievement of individual and company goals. When the goals are met, it usually means it was a good year and everyone is happy. Management, however, always retains the right to terminate bonus plans.

ETA: It's interesting to note that OP's comment about unions doesn't really apply with respect to bonuses. In my experience, it's unusual for union workers to get a bonus, and if they do, it's usually only a token. Union workers chime in, but I believe the reason is that they don't generally bargain for a bonus in the contract.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

14. Just because it was done that way in the past does not make it right.

Fuck a bunch of status quo.

It must be a good year because there were profits. duh and derp

[badtoworse]

19. I don't know what to tell you.

Most companies want to retain motivated employees and use bonuses as a way to do so. You should get a job with such a company

[JaneyVee]

26. Most companies don't give bonuses.

And motivation to do well is not driven by bonuses, it's driven by good salary.

[badtoworse]

29. Perhaps "most" was an overstatement.

I'm familiar with two businesses: independent power and financial services. I'm unaware of any companies in those businesses that don't pay bonuses. I won't deny that a good salary is a motivator, but the prospect of adding 20% - 50% to your base salary usually gets people's attention.

[JDPriestly]

37. Do you think that McDonalds pays its wait staff a bonus?

Does the maid who cleans up after your work day in the office enjoy a bonus?

How about your kid's teacher?

Then there is the nurse in the hospital?

The guard in your parking garage at work?

The bus driver?

Most working people do not get bonuses. They should, but they don't. And then there is the problem that some of the most useful work, the most necessary work, in our communities like teaching are performed in the public sector. There is no "profit" out of which to give a bonus.

Bonuses are not all that common in the US.

[badtoworse]

46. Speaking for the (power) companies where I have worked, all of the working people got bonuses too.

I'm talking about the technicians, mechanics, operators and admins at the plant level. Their bonuses were tied to things like safety, not having environmental violations, reliable plant performance and staying under budget. Management was happy when they maxed out on the bonus because it meant that nobody got hurt, we didn't violate any environmental permits, the plant performed well and we stayed under the budget.

I'm a big believer in incentive compensation and I think companies would be well served to include it all their employees' compensation.

[JDPriestly]

50. You are lucky to have worked for such enlightened employers.

But your employers are the exceptions. Most employers pay as little as they possibly can.

Do you think that the cleaning staff in your company's offices also receives bonuses. I doubt it.

[badtoworse]

53. They worked for the contractor that serviced the building.

I would say that they likely did not receive bonuses, which is unfortunate. I believe that no matter what you do, there are metrics on which you can base incentive compensation. If they worked for us, we would not have left them out.

[sulphurdunn]

34. You are correct.

Bonuses are neither sought after nor bargained for in most union contracts for the simple reason they are a bad idea that permits management to divide labor. Contracts remove any need for working people to anticipate or need charity from their employers.

[Bluenorthwest]

38. Both my Union and personal contracts with employers stipulate a share of certain profits

which are not bonuses but part and parcel of the overall compensation package. The term 'bonus' is not part of the OP, but of your own workplace lingo.

[badtoworse]

47. I tend to use the terms "profit sharing" and "bonus" interchangeably, but there are differences.

I can see how profit sharing would be the more appropriate term to use in a union contract.

[kimbutgar]

3. I used to buy Papa John's but because of this jerk I will never buy one of their pizzas again.

Someone should order a progressive boycott of this company. Walmart and McDonalds both have had lower earnings recently.

[SevenSixtyTwo]

4. I've been union

for over 30 years and I don't disagree with him. Ultimately, my job is to make profits for the company. We have a signed contract that both we and the company agreed to for pay and benefits for the term of the contract. If I want to share in the company's profits, I need to become part owner by buying shares of stock in the company I work for. Yes they are greedy bastards and yes they would love to bust the union and pay sub poverty wages but, collectively we bargain for wages and benefits before every contract expiration and agree to a new contract for wages and benefits. And yes, we still need unions in this country and every other country on the planet.

[sulphurdunn]

35. Well put

[Cal Carpenter]

5. He's absolutely right though.

Yay capitalism

[Tuesday Afternoon]

8. No, he is not right. He is absolutely Wrong.

He is not Right in The Head or The Heart. He is spouting sociopathic nonsense.

[Cal Carpenter]

15. The system under which he operates his business

does not obligate him to share profits with his workers.

That's a fact. That's capitalism -- which may, arguably, be anthropomorphized as sociopathic, sure. Ain't no way around it in the big picture of our economic system. Doesn't matter if you or I think it is sick and disgusting and immoral and inhumane.

If one thinks capitalism is okay, then one cannot deny the truth of his statement. His obligations are not to his workers. They are to the company's shareholders and investors.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

16. We are done here. Good day, Sir.

[Cal Carpenter]

17. I think you misunderstand me

if you think I am *defending* this, you couldn't be further from the truth. I am just trying to point out that this is part and parcel of the capitalist economic system. If you disagree with that, don't get mad at me, get mad at capitalism.

Good day to you, too.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

18. I am not communist. I am a Democrat. Do not use a sociopath's words to try and justify communism to

me. That is why it must be Good Day. You and I will disagree at the most cellular level. and it is too beautiful a day for that.

[BlindTiresias]

20. Uh

But capitalism does in fact work that way? Can you point where in capitalist theory there is an obligation for the owner of capital to share the profits with their employees? (Hint: It isn't there). That you feel it is not moral or ethical has no interaction with the basic structure of capitalism. If you dislike this then you also dislike capitalism, so welcome to the club.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

21. NO and good day to you. I do not have time to debate philosophy with you nor, am I in the mood -

It is a glorious day here and I am signing off to get some things done outside. Peace Out.

[BlindTiresias]

22. Only sophists move to impasse

I'm sorry this for some reason hurts your feelings but you have to look at the basic facts at hand. Capitalism has nothing to do with morality or ethics, full stop.

[Cal Carpenter]

23. ^^This

It isn't an abstract philosophical debate, as that poster seems to think. It is discussion of an actual system and set of policies with real-world consequences.

Truth's a damn pain in the ass for folks who don't dare question capitalism, for whatever reason.

Cognitive dissonance --> red-bait and run

[socialist_n_TN]

52. It's ironic to me when people get SO upset at capitalism.......

when it shows it's true face. But they don't blame the system, they get upset at the people who point out the truth ABOUT the system. Then they blame it on a single capitalist, a "bad actor", WHEN THIS IS WHAT THE SYSTEM REQUIRES OF IT'S ACTORS.

[rhett o rick]

56. Some seem to be easy prey for propaganda. Capitalism has been sold as

good for everyone and a good partner for Democracy. So when the true face of capitalism is exposed, people refuse to believe it.

[Nye Bevan]

25. I think what you two are arguing about comes down to the meaning of the word "obligation".

If a corporation makes a large profit, does it have a legal obligation to share this with the workers? No, indisputably. There is no such law. But does it have a moral obligation to reward the workers with a bonus or a raise? Absolutely. I think we would all agree with this.

Having said that, I have serious doubts that the "quote" in the OP is actually real, as nobody has been able to come up with a supporting link.

[Cal Carpenter]

27. I'm sure the disagreement is about more than semantics

and regardless of the veracity of the quote, the disagreement remains. But thanks for your input.

[BlindTiresias]

28. Indeed

I can't seem to find the source for the quote myself, though I know that Mr. Schnatter has made ghastly comments in the past.

In terms of capitalism, there is no room for morality there. Any kind of morality system will be externally imposed as the basic structure of it says nothing of ethics or morality. Even Adam Smith kind of concedes this if you give it a careful reading, he gives normative arguments that business owners ought to provide for the welfare of their employees but offers no structural substance to his model for how this will even be the case. As such clams of moral obligation of capital holders make not a lick of sense. What are people going to do them, tell them they are immoral? Big deal says the capital owner, he has the power so you can whine about morality all day.

[sulphurdunn]

39. Capitalism is amoral.

It was designed that way. The closest thing to ethics it possesses is the will to reward its owners to the fullest extent possible and to pass its cost on to others to the fullest extent possible.

[Nye Bevan]

41. I think that you will find that the countries that treat people most decently are capitalist.

Countries such as Denmark, Germany, Norway and France that provide universal health care and generous social benefits such as unemployment insurance that never runs out.

[sulphurdunn]

43. I think you'll find

that countries where people are treated decently are governed by people willing to force capitalism into a social contract that helps provide those benefits.

[Nye Bevan]

44. Ah, now we're getting somewhere.

So we agree that it is possible for people to be treated decently in a capitalist country.

[socialist_n_TN]

51. Not really. Over the long term..........

even though they call themselves capitalist, they don't practice capitalism. They practice some form of bastardized economic system that has capitalist elements and some socialist elements. What the Papa John's idiot is saying is true for capitalism in it's truest form. And as to those countries you speak of, they're already being taken over by the capitalists and are slowly, but surely losing their socialist elements. We'll see where those countries are in 30 or 30 years. Probably where we are now.

Capitalism doesn't play well with other systems. The main goal of capitalism is NOT to make society better for all citizens. It is to make profit for the owners. That is the MAIN law of capitalism. It has to be FORCED to be humane. And anything that has to be forced to be humane, won't stay that way without enormous and constant pressure, pressure that, of necessity, will wane over time.

Regulating capitalism is like riding a hungry tiger. It's VERY difficult to do and you're always in danger of being eaten.

[sulphurdunn]

55. Only when it is on a short leash.

Adam Smith warned, "People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices."

When capitalists are as routinely put in prison for the commission of felonies as other criminals the democratic institutions of that country are strong. When they aren't treated the same as other criminals it's called the United States.

[sulphurdunn]

36. Absolutely!

Which is why we need unions and binding contracts. It isn't about morality or ethics. It's about power. People who have unions have more of it. It's that simple.

[WhiteTara]

48. He is correct in his statements.

This is not saying the policy that drives those statements is correct. But s/he is not the enemy here, just saying.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

6. "Because the workers are what help make your business successful you have every obligation

to share those profits with your workers." Tuesday Afternoon.

You imbecile.

I fixed it for you.

You may thank me, you asshat fuckeroo.

[Jamaal510]

13. .

"Because the workers are what help make your business successful you have every obligation to share those profits with your workers."

[Nye Bevan]

11. Anyone got a link to this actual quote? I couldn't find it anywhere.

Perhaps someone with better Googling skills than me could find where he said that? Forgive my skepticism, because while obviously he is correct from a legal standpoint this would be a remarkably tone-deaf thing to say. If he really said it.

[RGinNJ]

31. I agree where is the link?

Not because I like what he said but, I've seen too many bullshit memes on repug pages and I hope we're better than that.

[Dr. Strange]

33. This image appears on Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/DemocraticNationalChristianAlternative/photos/a.532968296759468.1073741871.411080055614960/445868945469404/?type=1

But I haven't seen a source for the quote.

[hfojvt]

24. unfortunately the Gompers philosophy says

Just because we are successful at getting a good paying union jobs, we are under no obligation to share that with the rest of the working class.

Solidarnosc.

[deathrind]

30. You can thank Dodge v Ford for this mindset. N/T

[TRoN33]

32. Fuck him then.

I haven't eaten papa johns for long time and never will again.

[WillyT]

40. K & R !!!

[Brigid]

42. This is not out of line with things this jerk is known to have said in the past.

Anyway, I'll be ordering pizza in a minute here . . . From someplace else.

[former9thward]

49. A fake "quote".

The joys of the internet.

[Nye Bevan]

45. OK, I'm going to call bullshit on this.

It's been almost 3 hours and nobody has been able to come up with a link to substantiate this "quote". So I don't think he ever said this.

[butterfly77]

54. K&R..