Thu Apr 10, 2014, 01:03 AM

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WTF Is Going On At Bundy Ranch? Video of Dangerous Standoff With Authorities. Snipers too!

I've only seen the odd story here and there about some showdown with either Federal or State agents and some people on a ranch that evidently has been in their family for generations. The authorities are moving against the ranchers, and are currently seizing their cattle. There are reports and pictures of snipers around the ranch and large numbers of armed agents in all directions and something about a "First Amendment area." I haven't really looked into the story that much, so I could be a little off on some of that. Today on facebook, though, I came across this (let it play, things escalate):

And now I'm wondering what the hell is going on out there.

Anybody?

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WTF Is Going On At Bundy Ranch? Video of Dangerous Standoff With Authorities. Snipers too! (Original post)	Skip Intro	Apr 2014	OP
Illegal grazing on Federal lands	Spider Jerusalem	Apr 2014	#1
Haven't they been grazing on the land for 200 years?	yeoman6987	Apr 2014	#62
No-one has been doing anything there for 200 years.	Spider Jerusalem	Apr 2014	#72
So if Bundy gets to take over that public land what is stopping my family (Native Americans) from	jwirr	Apr 2014	#110
I 'm pretty sure it has to do with grazing rights for his cattle	oneofthe99	Apr 2014	#2
There should be some clear documentation of who owns the land. Doesn't make sense to me.	Skip Intro	Apr 2014	#4
It's public land to which his permit to graze was revoked 21 years ago, FWIU.	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2014	#7
Yup , I remember reading that , he was allowed before	oneofthe99	Apr 2014	#9
Hey I just wanted to tell you at first I read your thread title quickly and I	oneofthe99	Apr 2014	#11
Well, now I want to know that too...	Skip Intro	Apr 2014	#15
There's clear documentation of who owns the Gaze Strip, too! The Bible!	randome	Apr 2014	#32
It is scrub land and it takes quite a lot of it to support one cow	Warpy	Apr 2014	#54
The point about the drought is very good. A lot of SW ranchers are selling their cattle because the	jwirr	Apr 2014	#111
And they finally took some action	2naSalit	Apr 2014	#3
What he's been doing is blatantly illegal. But the police presence seems over the top.	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2014	#5
Try reading this...	2naSalit	Apr 2014	#14
That's basically what I figured. He's been making threats.	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2014	#17
he's been making threats	2naSalit	Apr 2014	#21
Yeah, I'm not so happy about those.	beevul	Apr 2014	#23
Well	2naSalit	Apr 2014	#30
"First Amendment Zones" are the "best thing to do." What?	Skip Intro	Apr 2014	#52
Yeah...no	tkmorris	Apr 2014	#59
Not my point	2naSalit	Apr 2014	#151
Wow, you must read some crazy wingnut sources if thats what you picked up.	LeftyMom	Apr 2014	#6
Yeah, I noticed this is making the rounds at infowars.	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2014	#8
yep. sounds like the feds & atf are gonna have to go in there	orleans	Apr 2014	#16
I would not put that outside the realm of possibility. Although, as with the Branch Davidians...	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2014	#19
that was Branch Davidians....	VanillaRhapsody	Apr 2014	#53
Sorry that was a typo.	Gravitycollapse	Apr 2014	#153
I am not particularly sure that Julio (?) Gonzalez was handled right either.	yeoman6987	Apr 2014	#64
"target of the state"? You mean like every other person ever arrested for breaking the law?	hedgehog	Apr 2014	#85
Well, given that militias everywhere are using this story as an excuse to start a civil war	Downtown Hound	Apr 2014	#76
Friends, co-workers, family - I get stuff.	Skip Intro	Apr 2014	#12
No. He's in direct violation of a court order	jberryhill	Apr 2014	#78
Bunch of wingnuts are fighting with cops	Egnever	Apr 2014	#10
Didn't realize it had been through the courts. That makes a big difference. n/t	Skip Intro	Apr 2014	#13
It's been ongoing for years now	Egnever	Apr 2014	#18
Bundy is the last rancher standing. Funny, he has no rights but if one has	snappyturtle	Apr 2014	#38
Yea cause his refusal to pay his fees had nothing to do with it.	Egnever	Apr 2014	#47
It isn't about the fees either. I spent a lot of time yesterday afternoon	snappyturtle	Apr 2014	#84
"Agenda 21"? You say that like that's a bad thing -	hedgehog	Apr 2014	#87
Sounds perfect, I know. Watch the best explanation of Agenda 21:	snappyturtle	Apr 2014	#105
I followed your link to the source -	hedgehog	Apr 2014	#117
Source? This is ONE youtube channel....this video is other places too.	snappyturtle	Apr 2014	#121
RW lunatics on YouTube seem to be dumbing down America	maddezmom	Apr 2014	#123
Its easy to knock down the messenger or cognitive dissonance has set in.	snappyturtle	Apr 2014	#131
What pings my radar are the people who are defending this asshat	maddezmom	Apr 2014	#137
Thank you.	jwirr	Apr 2014	#125
Baloney, it's about a trespassing welfare king refusing to obey the law.	MohRokTah	Apr 2014	#91
Clark county is controlled by their 'unincorporated Clark County' casino companies.	Sunlei	Apr 2014	#94
Thank you. nt	snappyturtle	Apr 2014	#102
Bundy leased the land for years, and now thinks he owns it	CanonRay	Apr 2014	#96
It's still federal land, and Bundy owes more than 20 years of grazing fees on it.	Paladin	Apr 2014	#99
What took the government (BLM) so long? 20 years! The time is right for putting	snappyturtle	Apr 2014	#103
Never too late. Most of the 20 years were controlled by rw politicians.	jwirr	Apr 2014	#130
even if he is a RW rancher /w a sense of entitlement to our public lands..He still has the right to	Sunlei	Apr 2014	#107
And of course this has nothing to do with the drought conditions in both areas? By the way please	jwirr	Apr 2014	#120
More to the story. Thanks. n/t	Skip Intro	Apr 2014	#50
Thanks for the link	Renew Deal	Apr 2014	#26
1993? Sheesh, good thing BLM has been right on top of this . . .	hatrack	Apr 2014	#29
Thank you. The aerial cattle count explains what the rw are talking about helicopters being used	jwirr	Apr 2014	#112
I don't know a lot about this,	Blue_In_AK	Apr 2014	#146
He is a soverign citizen..	gerogie2	Apr 2014	#20
Oh he made more than veiled threats	2naSalit	Apr 2014	#22
Yes, Sovereign Citizen Nutjob	Leith	Apr 2014	#34
Looks like a bunch of idiot rednecks attacking police	RandiFan1290	Apr 2014	#24
Attacking police? Armed with cameras and cell phones; avoided Free	snappyturtle	Apr 2014	#104
Our Gov charges some very cheap rate, its like 1.50 a month to graze on our public lands.	Sunlei	Apr 2014	#25
Puts it in perspective n/t	rumdude	Apr 2014	#49
Bundy's ranch area is 578,000+ acres. nt	snappyturtle	Apr 2014	#106
Twenty fucking years he's been breaking the law	Nevernose	Apr 2014	#27
Those cops don't look prepared for the action they're seeing.	Renew Deal	Apr 2014	#28
It's government land. He does not have a permit to graze his cattle on it.	Autumn	Apr 2014	#31
I think that they've been recalcitrant in paying fees for use of BLM land.	NYC_SKP	Apr 2014	#33
Snort, doesn't appear as though they eva wanna pay. They appear to believe they are owed more than	lonestarnot	Apr 2014	#98
Jerks. (n/t)	Iggo	Apr 2014	#35
Reacting in a violent way doesn't help the situation…	Amaya	Apr 2014	#36
21years? How much longer should the Feds wait? nt	Logical	Apr 2014	#63
Another teabagging asshole and his buddies	Tsiyu	Apr 2014	#37
The Bundys have a ranch?!	KamaAina	Apr 2014	#39
exactly what I was thinking when	PCIntern	Apr 2014	#41
Cattle interfering with Chinese(?) solar farm deal?	ManiacJoe	Apr 2014	#40
Solar farm? Wow. From your link:	Skip Intro	Apr 2014	#44
No it really doesnt	Egnever	Apr 2014	#57
" . . . are in the way of some solar farm investment?"	siligut	Apr 2014	#135
That deal is dead	maddezmom	Apr 2014	#138
Solar power more expensive than fossil-fuel?	siligut	Apr 2014	#141
no cattle have been there for decades	CreekDog	Apr 2014	#158
There is no China deal	MohRokTah	Apr 2014	#93
Cordon off the area, sit back and let them stew in the heat under their tinfoil hats	Ex Lurker	Apr 2014	#42
Is it just me or does it seem like the government puts on the kid gloves for violent right wingers?	Taitertots	Apr 2014	#43
Should they just mow them down? n/t	Skip Intro	Apr 2014	#45
No, but they should probably arrest the guy that is kicking police dogs.	Taitertots	Apr 2014	#97
Kicking police dogs	KansDem	Apr 2014	#139
It's pretty simple, Wingnutjobs itching for a civil war are trying to provoke violent encounter.	MohRokTah	Apr 2014	#46
a fantasy based persecution	rumdude	Apr 2014	#48
He gave out and posted his phone number.	VScott	Apr 2014	#51
Southern Poverty Law Center information about Cliven Bundy, right wing extremist	csziggy	Apr 2014	#55
I think there might be more to it. n/t	Skip Intro	Apr 2014	#56
Why?	Egnever	Apr 2014	#58
Because others are saying the family has claim to the land.	Skip Intro	Apr 2014	#65
No credible others are	Egnever	Apr 2014	#66
I'm not sure that's true.	Skip Intro	Apr 2014	#67
You seriously buy into the idea this is about solar panels?	Egnever	Apr 2014	#68
Dude...	Skip Intro	Apr 2014	#69
It isn't suddenly actionable	Egnever	Apr 2014	#71
Heres the recent ruling	Egnever	Apr 2014	#73
Care to share your sources to what others are saying?	maddezmom	Apr 2014	#86
Sources? Read the thread. Click the links.	Skip Intro	Apr 2014	#100
It means he is trespassing and has been for a long time	maddezmom	Apr 2014	#101
You bet it factors in. Bundy has been his own worst enemy. He's making it	snappyturtle	Apr 2014	#108
Here is an article linking the Reid's to the solar plant land grab:	snappyturtle	Apr 2014	#115
But that deal is dead and it isn't even in the same area	maddezmom	Apr 2014	#119
Thanks for this but....I thought it was a different area too until.....	snappyturtle	Apr 2014	#126
You seem to have your mind made up.	maddezmom	Apr 2014	#129
Oh, I wouldn't say that! I know Bundy has not paid up and has put himself in	snappyturtle	Apr 2014	#134
Why now? Because BLM was going to be sued to enforce previous court decisions	maddezmom	Apr 2014	#136
I'm sorry but this is almost laughable. The BLM has neglected its 'duty' UNTIL	snappyturtle	Apr 2014	#144
Okay. So I will go a bit further....the RW wants the land use issue to be a state issue not federal	maddezmom	Apr 2014	#147
Here is a link to a some good Q&A's	maddezmom	Apr 2014	#140
I will read all your link but I have to take a break from reading...anterior uveitis...	snappyturtle	Apr 2014	#148
I believe it is only to 3000 feet as to not interfer with BLM helicopters	maddezmom	Apr 2014	#150
Been to federal court twice	LynnTTT	Apr 2014	#92
In what way? BLM, the courts, the SPLC, law enforcement, and other sources	csziggy	Apr 2014	#60
Yeah, but there's more to it!	Kingofalldems	Apr 2014	#79
Awesome post...	Skip Intro	Apr 2014	#81
!	csziggy	Apr 2014	#82
Please tell us more....	Cali_Democrat	Apr 2014	#61
the tactic is not good	tiny elvis	Apr 2014	#70
"it got a little pushy-dog bitey "	Skip Intro	Apr 2014	#74
uh huh	Jim Warren	Apr 2014	#75
WTF is a "First Amendment Area" ???? Did BLM actually designate a 1st amendment area? Isn't	kelly1mm	Apr 2014	#77
The BLM doesn't want photos of their round-ups because a lot of animals are run to death.	Sunlei	Apr 2014	#88
Here is a link to the Federal Register. It consists of two pages regarding the	snappyturtle	Apr 2014	#118
Ok just so I understand this, BLM has closed a part of the public lands, and set aside	kelly1mm	Apr 2014	#143
I know....and now a no fly zone posted at the FAA over the Bundy area:	snappyturtle	Apr 2014	#149
here's a pretty good summary	DrDan	Apr 2014	#80
Rightwingnuts trying to provoke a violent comfrontation.	99Forever	Apr 2014	#83
Waco	Puzzledtraveller	Apr 2014	#89
round up his cattle	rdking647	Apr 2014	#90
Those socialist cows could feed a lot of homeless folks. nt	adirondacker	Apr 2014	#95
Well said.	Louisiana1976	Apr 2014	#152
Been in their family for generations - NO. Public land they have rented for a long time but then	jwirr	Apr 2014	#109
I think they're also trying to instigate another "Ruby Ridge".	GoCubsGo	Apr 2014	#113
Yes, but if they succeed I have already said that I will not blame law enforcement. That land does	jwirr	Apr 2014	#114
You won't blame them, and I won't blame them.	GoCubsGo	Apr 2014	#116
I hear you. I am hoping that the BLM has cautioned the officers regarding the political implications	jwirr	Apr 2014	#122
I'm sure they have.	GoCubsGo	Apr 2014	#127
BREAKING NEWS: Major development in Bunkerville cattle battle	pinboy3niner	Apr 2014	#128
They keep saying Bundy ranch. Does he own land he is calling his ranch or are they calling the	jwirr	Apr 2014	#132
RWNJBS. n/t	librechik	Apr 2014	#124
4/11/14 the Federal DOI/BLM had FFA declare the ranch area a "No Fly Zone"	Sunlei	Apr 2014	#133
Yo, 3000 feet up is the no-fly zone	MohRokTah	Apr 2014	#142
BLM stopped the round-up today, when " Hundreds of people arrived".	Sunlei	Apr 2014	#154
They et armed terrorists win. eom	MohRokTah	Apr 2014	#155
Oh, reminds me of Chicago, summer 2012	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	Apr 2014	#145
Eyes steady	Jim Warren	Apr 2014	#156
It's pretty insance	Tassadar	Apr 2014	#157

Response to Skip Intro (Original post)

Thu Apr 10, 2014, 01:08 AM

Spider Jerusalem (21,786 posts)

1. Illegal grazing on Federal lands

the Bureau of Land Management forbids grazing of cattle on public lands in the area in part because it's the habitat of an endangered desert tortoise; Mr Bundy seems to think he can do whatever he wants regardless, so Federal agents are seizing his cattle for his continued flagrant breaches of the law.

WTF Is Going On At Bundy Ranch? Video of Dangerous Standoff With Authorities. Snipers too!

1. Illegal grazing on Federal lands

62. Haven't they been grazing on the land for 200 years?

72. No-one has been doing anything there for 200 years.

110. So if Bundy gets to take over that public land what is stopping my family (Native Americans) from

2. I 'm pretty sure it has to do with grazing rights for his cattle

4. There should be some clear documentation of who owns the land. Doesn't make sense to me.

7. It's public land to which his permit to graze was revoked 21 years ago, FWIU.

9. Yup , I remember reading that , he was allowed before

11. Hey I just wanted to tell you at first I read your thread title quickly and I

15. Well, now I want to know that too...

32. There's clear documentation of who owns the Gaze Strip, too! The Bible!

54. It is scrub land and it takes quite a lot of it to support one cow

111. The point about the drought is very good. A lot of SW ranchers are selling their cattle because the

3. And they finally took some action

5. What he's been doing is blatantly illegal. But the police presence seems over the top.

14. Try reading this...

17. That's basically what I figured. He's been making threats.

21. he's been making threats

23. Yeah, I'm not so happy about those.

30. Well

52. "First Amendment Zones" are the "best thing to do." What?

59. Yeah...no

151. Not my point

6. Wow, you must read some crazy wingnut sources if thats what you picked up.

8. Yeah, I noticed this is making the rounds at infowars.

16. yep. sounds like the feds & atf are gonna have to go in there

19. I would not put that outside the realm of possibility. Although, as with the Branch Davidians...

53. that was Branch Davidians....

153. Sorry that was a typo.

64. I am not particularly sure that Julio (?) Gonzalez was handled right either.

85. "target of the state"? You mean like every other person ever arrested for breaking the law?

76. Well, given that militias everywhere are using this story as an excuse to start a civil war

12. Friends, co-workers, family - I get stuff.

78. No. He's in direct violation of a court order

10. Bunch of wingnuts are fighting with cops

13. Didn't realize it had been through the courts. That makes a big difference. n/t

18. It's been ongoing for years now

38. Bundy is the last rancher standing. Funny, he has no rights but if one has

47. Yea cause his refusal to pay his fees had nothing to do with it.

84. It isn't about the fees either. I spent a lot of time yesterday afternoon

87. "Agenda 21"? You say that like that's a bad thing -

105. Sounds perfect, I know. Watch the best explanation of Agenda 21:

117. I followed your link to the source -

121. Source? This is ONE youtube channel....this video is other places too.

123. RW lunatics on YouTube seem to be dumbing down America

131. Its easy to knock down the messenger or cognitive dissonance has set in.

137. What pings my radar are the people who are defending this asshat

125. Thank you.

91. Baloney, it's about a trespassing welfare king refusing to obey the law.

94. Clark county is controlled by their 'unincorporated Clark County' casino companies.

102. Thank you. nt

96. Bundy leased the land for years, and now thinks he owns it

99. It's still federal land, and Bundy owes more than 20 years of grazing fees on it.

103. What took the government (BLM) so long? 20 years! The time is right for putting

130. Never too late. Most of the 20 years were controlled by rw politicians.

107. even if he is a RW rancher /w a sense of entitlement to our public lands..He still has the right to

120. And of course this has nothing to do with the drought conditions in both areas? By the way please

50. More to the story. Thanks. n/t

26. Thanks for the link

29. 1993? Sheesh, good thing BLM has been right on top of this . . .

112. Thank you. The aerial cattle count explains what the rw are talking about helicopters being used

146. I don't know a lot about this,

20. He is a soverign citizen..

22. Oh he made more than veiled threats

34. Yes, Sovereign Citizen Nutjob

24. Looks like a bunch of idiot rednecks attacking police

104. Attacking police? Armed with cameras and cell phones; avoided Free

25. Our Gov charges some very cheap rate, its like 1.50 a month to graze on our public lands.

49. Puts it in perspective n/t

106. Bundy's ranch area is 578,000+ acres. nt

27. Twenty fucking years he's been breaking the law

28. Those cops don't look prepared for the action they're seeing.

31. It's government land. He does not have a permit to graze his cattle on it.

33. I think that they've been recalcitrant in paying fees for use of BLM land.

98. Snort, doesn't appear as though they eva wanna pay. They appear to believe they are owed more than

35. Jerks. (n/t)

36. Reacting in a violent way doesn't help the situation…

63. 21years? How much longer should the Feds wait? nt

37. Another teabagging asshole and his buddies