Well *that* was easy- "Clinton banned guns on military bases"

[underpants]

First result of a google search. Media Matters exposes the RW memes about Ft. Hood.

Fox&Friends Douchy, Allen West, Levin same old same old BS. just flat out making stuff up.


FACT: First Bush Administration Enacted Military Base Gun Regulations

President H.W. Bush Enacted Military Base Gun Regulations In 1992, A Year Before Clinton Took Office. As The New Republic explained, a 1992 Department of Defense directive established the rules limiting firearms on military bases to "qualified personnel," issued under former President George H.W. Bush and Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney:

MYTH: Military Bases Are "Gun-Free Zones" That Leave Soldiers "Defenseless"

FACT: Ft. Hood Commanding Officer Does Not Support Concealed Weapons On Base

http://mediamatters.org/mobile/research/2014/04/03/what-conservative-media-are-getting-wrong-about/198738

[itsrobert]

1. I served from 1984 to 2010

I don't recall a base where privately owned firearms were not regulated.

[underpants]

2. Maybe it was up to each base commander

Before Poppy and Dick made it service wide policy.

[hootinholler]

4. USN '78 - '83 here

Same experience. You had to check them in and out of the armory, yes I mean personal firearms not issue (although those were checked in and out also).

[mercuryblues]

3. well don't

you know. It is Obama's fault for not reversing that directive. Despite base commanders not wanting it reversed.

[upaloopa]

5. When I arrived at Fort Knox in 1966 we had to turn in

any personal weapons we brought.
Does anyone really believe that a lot of people carrying weapons on a base will reduce shootings?
In Vietnam we were only permitted to keep our weapons with us off duty during Tet.
There was too many guys getting into fights and guys wanting to shoot officers that they didn't want us to have the opportunity to shoot each other. Now bonnets were a different story.

[Solly Mack]

6. Post Command and even Unit Command can limit privately owned firearms.

They can determine where private firearms are kept. (locked in an armory, for example - and not in housing) Some posts do ban storing your privately owned firearm in housing. Some don't.

They can ban concealed carry. (and I think all of them ban it)

There are restrictions for the transportation of privately owned firearms. Can only be in POV for the sole purpose of transporting to an appropriate range. (caught on post or coming on post to one of the MWR ranges - if you're leaving post and say you're going to a private range, there isn't much they can do to prove otherwise)

They do check for gun registration and your firearm has to be registered with the post to be brought on the post. Otherwise, you will be charged.

And command can prevent - with cause - an individual from having a privately owned firearm on post.


Fox News is ignorance casting a wide net.

[underpants]

8. Thanks SollyMack

[Solly Mack]

9. They'd rather blame a Democrat, any Democrat, than look at the facts.

And then when presented with the facts, they still pretend their ignorance trumps all.

West is just a bitter war criminal who knows better (about guns on military posts) but rather lie about it to get attention.

[former9thward]

14. A lot of good that ban did at Ft. Hood.

[Sheepshank]

7. I know a few people I need to send this to N/T

[mwrguy]

10. Law abiding gun toters are being dishonest again?

I am shocked.

Shocked!

[Historic NY]

11. Steve Douchey.....

and his moron friends they don't even know who was POTUS in 92.

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a272176.pdf

[underpants]

15. They don't care

They just read the script. Whatever they come up with is cemented in the viewers heads through repetition.

[closeupready]

12. Trashing thread.

[Spider Jerusalem]

16. Passive-aggressive much?

[former9thward]

13. The first result on google is not always accurate.

Bush did it and Clinton did it.

Bush and Cheney issued a directive in 1992. In March of 1993 Clinton and the DoD implemented it. So to say Clinton had nothing to do with it is not true. he was CIC just like Bush I. That said the two that followed Bush II and Obama both could have repealed it but did not.

http://johnrlott.tripod.com/r190_14.pdf

[Historic NY]

17. Effective immediately.....February 25, 1992

EFFECTIVE DATE AND IMPLEMENTATION
1. This Directive is effective immediately. Forward one
copy of implementing documents to the Assistant Secretary of
Defense (Command, Control, Communications and Intelligence) and
the Inspector General, Department of Defense within 120 days.
2. Documents that implement this Directive in overseas
areas should be framed in a manner to satisfy applicable
provisions of international agreements or arrangements relating
to law enforcement and security matters.

[underpants]

20. +

Well played

[former9thward]

22. Was it?

Effective 12 April 1993

Headquarters
Department of the Army
Washington, DC
12 March 1993

B e c a u s e t h e
publication has been extensively revised, the
changed portions have not been highlighted

[former9thward]

21. If you don't want to look at the actual implementing document then don't.

Facts can be too bright for some. As I said Bush I issued the directive and Clinton implemented it. Clinton did not have to do it. All Presidents since Bush I are entirely responsible for it because any of them could have rescinded it if they wanted.

[Historic NY]

24. And the present POTUS affirmed it after the 2011 incident...

just saying.

[JI7]

18. in a few years they will say 9-11 happened under Clinton

[underpants]

19. Ari Fleischer did pretty much do that

I could find the quote. Blurring the dateline is big with them - bailouts - "Obama phones" -the deficit etc.

On edit- the World Trade Center bombing was on 2/23/93. Try finding Poppys administration mentioned in a story about that. And 9/11 was excused by W"s propaganda as "only 8 months into" his term. They tried "only 233 days" but stuck with "8 months"

[Lurks Often]

23. More media lies, neither Clinton OR Bush banned CCW on base

I've spent quite a bit of time researching this. Directive 5210.56 governs who can carry a weapon on post while ON DUTY. http://www.apd.army.mil/jw2/xmldemo/r190_14/main.asp and appears to have it's origins in 10 USC 1585, which goes all the way back to 1958.

To date I have not found any CREDIBLE source that shows when off duty military personal were specifically banned from carrying firearms on their time.

Anecdotal evidence suggests this was in effect prior to 1980 and my own best guess it goes back to before 1960.