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Mon Mar 24, 2014, 06:25 PM

Women Oppose Birth Control Limits: "92% of Dems-83% of independents-63% of Repubs-79% of Catholics"

Women Overwhelmingly Oppose Birth Control Limits

A new Hart Research poll finds that 68% of U.S. women voters oppose allowing corporations to refuse to cover contraception in their health plans because of religious objections.

Key findings: "Women of all demographics overwhelmingly support the provision of the Affordable Care Act requiring employers to cover contraception and other preventive health services for women, including 92% of Democrats, 83% of independents, 63% of Republicans and 79% of Catholics."



MORE:
http://plannedparenthoodaction.org/files/1813/9568/4790/3-24-14-Birth-Control-Hart-Research-Poll-Memo.pdf
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/24/hobby-lobby-poll_n_5022238.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
via:
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2014/03/24/women_overwhelmingly_oppose_birth_control_limits.html

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Reply Women Oppose Birth Control Limits: "92% of Dems-83% of independents-63% of Repubs-79% of Catholics" (Original post)
kpete Mar 2014 OP
Hekate Mar 2014 #1
redqueen Mar 2014 #2
Aerows Mar 2014 #3
CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2014 #12
Aerows Mar 2014 #15
progressoid Mar 2014 #4
catrose Mar 2014 #13
progressoid Mar 2014 #23
catrose Mar 2014 #29
bigdarryl Mar 2014 #33
progressoid Mar 2014 #34
FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #5
historylovr Mar 2014 #7
rhett o rick Mar 2014 #6
Ilsa Mar 2014 #8
etherealtruth Mar 2014 #10
Ilsa Mar 2014 #11
etherealtruth Mar 2014 #14
Aerows Mar 2014 #17
Ilsa Mar 2014 #19
Aerows Mar 2014 #20
Ilsa Mar 2014 #24
Rozlee Mar 2014 #32
world wide wally Mar 2014 #9
Iliyah Mar 2014 #16
LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #18
Aerows Mar 2014 #21
tea and oranges Mar 2014 #22
tblue37 Mar 2014 #26
tea and oranges Mar 2014 #27
Cha Mar 2014 #25
Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #28
davidn3600 Mar 2014 #31
progree Mar 2014 #30

Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 24, 2014, 06:29 PM

1. I wonder if the old men on the SCOTUS are paying attention? We'll see. nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 24, 2014, 06:31 PM

2. Deal with it.

K&R

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 24, 2014, 06:41 PM

3. There's a surprise

 

Women have been practicing birth control since the dawn of civilization. Research "herbal abortifacients" and "herbal contraceptives".

It didn't just spring up in the 1960's. Even the Bible has a chapter in the Old Testament that describes herbal abortion for women that got pregnant by a foreigner. Obviously, they decried her a sinner if she passed the child, but the fact remains that contraception and abortion are neither new, nor abnormal.

It would probably chap the ass of everyone that is against Planned Parenthood to know that even if they took contraceptives and up to third day abortifacients off the shelves, women would still know how to do it anyway, if they had access to other women that had a clue and a supply of herbs along with the internet.

The entire point, is, though to demonize it. They know there is no way to stop it. They just want to PENALIZE such knowledge, access to it, and being familiar with it. If that doesn't sound like dark ages persecution of witches, essentially, I really don't know what is.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 24, 2014, 07:56 PM

12. Your assessment is spot on, my dear Aerows! n/t

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #12)

Mon Mar 24, 2014, 08:23 PM

15. Pennyroyal and Blue Cohosh have been used for centuries.

 

They might be pretty flowers, but women knew how to use them. And when it was realized that they did, they were "witches".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caulophyllum_thalictroides

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mentha_pulegium

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedeoma_pulegioides

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmenagogue

What most of those articles don't state is that many of the deaths occurred because of tinctures, not the usage of the actual herbs themselves taken as teas. Tinctures are too strong and condensed to do what these sorts of herbs have always done. It is like the difference between near beer and Everclear.

That said, if you are pregnant or think you might be able to become so because of a broken condom or any reason at all, seek out a professional. I included this knowledge as proof that throughout history women have sought to stop bearing unwanted children, or to protect themselves from death in childbirth. It should in no way be seen as a remedy to going to a physician.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 24, 2014, 06:51 PM

4. The new RW meme: "why should I have to pay for insurance that covers birth control if I don't use it

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Response to progressoid (Reply #4)

Mon Mar 24, 2014, 07:57 PM

13. And why should I have to pay for Viagra if I don't use it?

Or cancer drugs or insulin or a number of other drugs?
(To RWers, not you)

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Response to catrose (Reply #13)

Mon Mar 24, 2014, 10:20 PM

23. That's basically what I told her (the RWer who parroted that talking point).

Kind of ended her argument.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #23)

Tue Mar 25, 2014, 10:01 AM

29. I'd hope so

It seems like it should be obvious that insurance splits the cost of everything among everybody so that NObody has to pay the whole enchilada, which nobody could afford, but no, they really don't get it.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #23)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 06:39 AM

33. Or another good one you could of told her

 

Why should I pay for a old ass man's penis pump so he can have sex

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Response to bigdarryl (Reply #33)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:46 PM

34. Perhaps next time!

I didn't want to ruin a good dinner party with images of that...

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 24, 2014, 06:57 PM

5. If only our government cared what its people think

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Reply #5)

Mon Mar 24, 2014, 07:31 PM

7. +1.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 24, 2014, 07:08 PM

6. k&r thanks for posting. nm

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 24, 2014, 07:38 PM

8. More Catholic support than GOP support.

That means it's the Fundies and Calvinists opposing contraception.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 24, 2014, 07:52 PM

10. Where I come from Catholics

... more often than not, are liberals (or at very least Democrats)

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Response to etherealtruth (Reply #10)

Mon Mar 24, 2014, 07:55 PM

11. Awesome.

Most of our catholic community in Texas is very conservative. They protest Roe v Wade even if everyone around them is on their side. They like going out and calling women murderers and sluts.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #11)

Mon Mar 24, 2014, 08:05 PM

14. Though my state government is over-run by knuckle dragging inbreds

.... and our nut job governor is a Catholic .... Michigan has gone for Obama both times, we have consistently sent the Levin brothers to Congress .... My opinion is that Catholics mirror the communities in which they live ... i.e. southern Catholics (by percentage) are going to be far more politically conservative than northern or eastern Catholics (Kennedy's, John Kerry)

(I know Fat Tony Scalia is an evil ass)

"According to Dr. John Green of University of Akron, "There isn't a Catholic vote anymore; there are several Catholic votes." A survey conducted by the Gallup organization in 2009 revealed that, despite the opposition of the Church to abortion and embryonic stem-cell research, there is no significant difference between the opinions of Catholics and non-Catholics on these questions."
http://www.gallup.com/poll/117154/catholics-similar-mainstream-abortion-stem-cells.aspx

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #11)

Mon Mar 24, 2014, 09:22 PM

17. Catholics are amateurs compared to

 

Pentecostals, Evangelicals and Southern Baptists.

Baptists consider Catholics "licentious" because they dance.

Evangelicals consider Southern Baptists "loose" because they allow women to wear pants in non-church settings and get haircuts.

Pentecostals consider all of the above savages because the women in both of those heathen churches use hair accessories and went to school.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #17)

Mon Mar 24, 2014, 09:28 PM

19. Ha!!! That's a great comparison! nt

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #19)

Mon Mar 24, 2014, 09:38 PM

20. If you thought I was actually making a joke

 

..well, I was, but it's also the truth. I live in Mississippi, which is probably the cradle of religious nutjob-ism of the US.

I was putting gas in my car, and this big bus drove up and parked away from the gas station. About 30 women with hair that looked like it needed to be treated by something other than Suave in ankle length skirts got out.

The man, in a short sleeved shirt with a grey bow tie went into the gas station. I'm still pumping gas. The women, all stood there. A few had hats, but all looked about as grim as a human being can be without being a cadaver. One of them made a semblance of a smile at the flowers growing on the roadside and I swear, was visibly hushed for a positive emotion.

I put the gas nozzle back in its compartment, paid for the gas and started the car. I looked at those women, one more time, and while I'm not religious, I prayed that they would find a better life than what they were having. It was sad.

I thought I should mention that this happened in 2012. Just so you have a reference point.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #20)

Mon Mar 24, 2014, 10:32 PM

24. Oh, I recognize that Truth! My "Ha!" wasn't so much a laugh as

As an exclamation of recognition. I was also remembering a nice baptist family I knew that turned pentecostal. The mother's hair changed overnight into a beehive style. Their daughter stopped wearing stylish clothes and started wearing drab long skirts.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #11)

Tue Mar 25, 2014, 10:14 PM

32. Hispanic Catholics don't trend as conservative.

In my family, they disapprove of abortion, but with the exception of one teabagger sister who is a fanatic, they live and let live. There's a little bit of back and forth among the older generation over gay marriage, but since my 67-year-old brother is openly gay and so is a nephew, they mostly just shrug it off. The two biggest hot button social issues to religious conservatives don't rate any impassioned arguments at all in our homes, even from the deacon and former missionaries in our extended family.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 24, 2014, 07:48 PM

9. And now they will go out and vote Republican so they can be told what to do?

I don't get it.

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #9)

Mon Mar 24, 2014, 09:11 PM

16. Because the GOP base have been brainwashed into believing

that the other side is evil and they want to take your freedom away.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 24, 2014, 09:24 PM

18. Here's hoping women start voting their interests.

The good ol' boys need to be put in their place.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 24, 2014, 09:45 PM

21. K&R

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 24, 2014, 10:07 PM

22. the anti-birth controllers are a pretty insignificant part of the population

Not surprising, considering what century it is (or is it?). So what's really going on?

IMHO it's the most basic divide & conquer strategy. Men against women & vice versa.

Women who want birth control are sluts says right wing male leadership. Perhaps not as crudely as Herr Limbaugh, who literally called women sluts on air, but it's coming from the mouths of politicians, pundits, ministers, talk radio, & suddenly the pixels & waves (our commons) are full of salacious hateful crap about women. Unprecedented, BTW.

Can it be coincidence when the above happens while young men rape, film, & post videos of their crimes? Are you as disturbed as I am that young female rape victims are bullied by other young women who call them sluts?

Are you as tired of the constant assault from all directions on everything that's decent as I am?

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Response to tea and oranges (Reply #22)

Mon Mar 24, 2014, 11:50 PM

26. OT, but your user name is from Leonard Cohen's "Suzanne Takes You Down," isn't it?

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #26)

Tue Mar 25, 2014, 12:17 AM

27. But of course.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 24, 2014, 10:36 PM

25. KICK thanks kpete

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Mar 25, 2014, 09:07 AM

28. Too bad women don't vote 95% dems.

 

If they did, this crapfest of government rightwingery would end. I've given up on men, they are a lost cause. Could the women please step up and knock these idiots off the throne?

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #28)

Tue Mar 25, 2014, 05:26 PM

31. Women only appear less corrupt because they don't have the power to be corrupt

 

Put more women in government and you will have more Elizabeth Warren's and Hilary Clinton's...but you will also have more Michele Bachmann's and Sarah Palin's.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Mar 25, 2014, 05:17 PM

30. For chrisake, the issue is not about what women want, the issue is RELIGIOUS FREEDOM



(should I have put "religious freedom" in quotes, and wondered out loud about the religious freedom (or freedom from religion) of the employees of Hooby Looby and other such "pious" corporations and institutions?)

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