Regarding Phelps.

because I don't believe in Hell (although sometimes I wish I did). However, when he's gone there will be a little less evil in the universe, and I won't be even slightly sorry he's dead.

I will carry a sign saying God Hates Bigots. You always hear, "You shouldn't speak badly of the dead." But he ain't dead yet.

hate.

You embrace that hatred, your no better then Fred himself.

opposite of love. I do not love stepping on dog excrement. I actually hate it. Hating hate does not make one a monster. You have the right to your opinion. To say only monsters hate, you must navigate monsters throughout your day. Hate is an emotion which does not necessarily result in monstrous damage. It can actually save a person's life.

You can hate Fred for his actions. This is human.

You can feel hatred for events. This is human.

What isn't human is to use that hatred as justification for the death of a group of people. What isn't human is to attack someone, or the family of that person, in a time of emotional turmoil. To do either of these things is to become a monster - To do either of these things is to become no better then Fred Phelps is.

Paraphrasing -

"My mother told me never to speak ill of the dead. Joan Crawford is dead. Good."

And then the world will be rid of him, and that whole bad chapter will be over.

Let God/dess deal with his soul in the hereafter. Or as the Pagans sometimes say: It's your Hell; you go there.

1) Wishing suffering upon him won't make it happen one way or the other... Might as well pray for it...

2) This is the only chance we are going to have for the sick fuck to get a hint of the pain that he has put onto others. Once he croaks, it is out of our hands.

What does it do to you?

PEACE!

But, I still can't wait to



Hey Phelps, this message is for you...

If there is, I doubt Hate is an emotion it has. The second pick was pulled from a Phelps protest, I felt it was fitting to toss it back at him.

Can't believe the lady at the end trashing Karen's beautiful song with her hate. Sad. Honestly, I am still a work in progress. I still have my struggles with controlling anger. 8 years of * lies and evils hurt my soul (or whatever part of the brain function we equate with a soul.) There was a period during/after '08 when I started healing. That got stomped. I realize happiness comes from within, but it is not always an easy path to navigate...

'I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure.' (sometimes attributed to Mark Twain as well.)

I just wish Jesus would break precedent and interrupt regular programming (especially and Fox) to show us the chat he and Fred have when then meet fact to face.

back at ya!

“I did not attend his funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it.”

grave dancing for me.

There is a vast difference between teabaggers and progressives.. and this is one them.

Personally IMO his god sounds like a real asshole and I'm sure old Phelps will have a rough enough time with him.

Besides, it won't be long before God is telling him that he actually really loves "fags", just like everyone else, and to me, that's enough.

http://cjonline.com/news/2014-03-16/wbc-spokesman-said-fred-phelps-sr-was-healthy-month-he-entered-hospice

After Phelps was voted out of Westboro Baptist Church this past summer, he was moved out of the church and into a house, where he was watched to ensure he wouldn’t harm himself, a son estranged from the church said Sunday.

Phelps eventually stopped eating and drinking, and on Sunday, he was near death, son Nate Phelps said in a Facebook posting. The information also is based on an email sent by Nate Phelps to a Topeka Capital-Journal reporter.

"Fred) is at Midland Hospice House where, as of yesterday (Friday), he is comfortable without the respiratory difficulty that he was having the day before and is unresponsive," Nate Phelps wrote, quoting a message sent to him.

as Phelps is already in hell. I don't hate him, I'm sorry for him. But, and this may or may not seem to make sense, but the fact that he's among us also reflects our own collective karma. Until we change our collective karma, more Fred Phelpses will appear to take his place.

This is no shit: That worthless fuck was going to protest the funeral of Christina Green, the child who was murdered by Jared Loughner during the attack on Gabby Giffords. A local radio station gave them airtime if they wouldn't carry out their threat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church

Matthew 7.21 says it all: "Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord," shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in Heaven."

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If this is the will of God in Heaven, Christians are more screwed than they thought.

I hope he dies in the kind of agony only Dr. Kevorkian could have ended. He's caused enough for everyone else.

He is a despicable creature and has brought nothing but misery to so many people.
This is not about being better than someone else or another group.
I was glad when Falwell died, Pinochet and others.
It doesn't make me or anyone who shares my view lesser for wishing as much ill-will on the man as possible.
He is reaping what he sowed.
No apologies, no remorse.
If I were in the area, I'd show up at his funeral in a white tux, with top hat and cane and dance all over grave

My concern is that so many of our people are giving themselves heartburn over this old bigot bastard. He's not worth it!

PEACE!

Big time.

He's a detestable human being.

...saved youself a few key strokes and just gone with - "He's detestable."

He's a piece of garbage and he doesn't deserve my respect.

Why do we have to be "nice" to despicable, dying people?

...quite agree with you. I was taking a shortcut to saying that I think he does not deserve to be called a human being.

It's about *them* and how *they feel* about something. It's a human emotion. We're all guilty of it from time to time.

Hate begets hate and anger begets rage. The only way to break free from the broken circle of hate and violence is not to take part in it.

I oppose the man and all he ever stood for, but I hope that his passing is as painless as possible and that his family is comforted...and hopefully one day enlightened to their bigoted behaviour so that they can change and make amends.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/fred-phelps-founder-of-anti-gay-westboro-baptist-church-stopped-eating-and-drinking-says-son-1.7409563

Equality Kansas:
"This is our moment as a community to rise above the sorrow, anger, and strife he sowed, and to show the world we are caring and compassionate people who respect the privacy and dignity of all."

would hold a prayer vigil in their front yard.

... and death isn't either. Phelps isn't going to suffer any more than anyone else on his way out, but it will be very difficult for his family to be present throughout the process. However, I think he's going to get a big surprise when he gets to the Pearly Gates. One of two things will happen: God will turn him around and send him straight to Hell, or all there is is lights out, game over. Personally, I think it's lights out, game over, but I live each day trying to be more like Jesus.

And he's at the finish line. He's going to get away with all that pain and suffering he caused.

People he attacked with no regard for political affiliation, race, creed, gender, nothing. Any death would do for him to trot out his soapbox and spew his poison at the humans gathered to grieve a loss. He took away the peace and solace they had gathered to find.


I'm not going to enumerate the ways in which I hope he is suffering mightily, but I don't feel a shred of hypocrisy leveling the same sort of hate at him. He started it. He's slowly getting away with it. He'll never be held to account.

You could power a city with my hatred toward that man.

We all know who he is; to kill him with kindness, when he could never find any? That would piss him off! But we are all better than he will ever be: I take lots of comfort in that.

That he didn't live long enough to see Same-Sex Marriage legalized in all 50 states.

but the world will be a better place once his sorry ass croaks.

However, I find little joy in his suffering and I won't dance on his grave. It is enough for me that he won't be around to spread hate anymore.

It is enough for me that he won't be around to spread hate anymore.

It is the hate that he nurtured for so many years, to so many people. ..children. .His own and other weak minded people's children. ..then his grandchildren. He is a pariah and should always be regarded and remembered as the abuser he was. Now that he is dead we get to live with his legacy for generations to come. No, what ever people feel toward him is just fine, and however those feelings manifest themselves is just fine too...there are times when God is fine with hate imo..

So I am going to have to recommend it and let you know I totally agree.

Sam

PEACE!

in my opinion. And no heaven either.

- This is the kind of class that's been missing around here.

K&R

- Quite a few as a matter of fact:

to post that, hon? Bless your heart, but I can't muster the bother to care about him or his fate, or how DU reacts.

would instead send that love to more GLBT organizations that help gay youth and possibly try to talk even one gay kid from committing suicide, it would do a lot more good.

But, for some odd reason, they'd rather wag their fingers at those who have been hurt by Phelps and feel animosity toward him for all the harm he has caused, then send love to Phelps while he is dying.

That is very strange to me.

Let's not play "more genteel than thou." If we are going to be as judgmental of him as any Teabagger is of us, AND A READING OF ANY POST ABOUT FREDDIE SHOWS WE ARE, let's cut the crap and feel free to honestly and joyfully dance on the dickwad's grave.

I hope he recovers and lives a long long time. Why? Because I want him to see the world slipping further and further from his ideals, every second being further than the last. I want to see him ignored. I want to see him see the world that is accepting of LGBT people. I want him to see the US be a nation that encourages marriage equality. And most of all, I want him to see that hatred and bigotry do not win.

I'll happily stand as bulwark to his bullshit in the meantime.

Here's our chance to prove it. When Fred Phelps passes, resist the urge to say things that make you sound like one of them.

For those that haven't read it, link to the story... from court records

Found it many years ago, and it resurfaces every now and again -- basically a writer who was about to have an article about Phelps and his clan published, found out Phelps' group was trying to block the story from going to print as it was unflattering to their church. Afraid of potential lawsuits, it seems the publisher, Topeka Capital-Journal, apparently felt the heat and agreed to make sure the story would not see the light of day.

The author, being much more clever than those who were trying to block the story, sued the publisher about the incident and attached the entire story as evidence, thus turning it immediately into public record....

....yes, for all to see.

..it is just too disgusting. If there is any sort of Hell, Phelps has earned his place in it.

I'm glad that author did that.

Just can't manage it in this case. He's as rotten as they come, and richly deserves any misfortune that comes his way.

His daughters have taken over the church and run it now. The hatred will still be there with or without him. A lot of people think cutting off the head of that church will end the hate. It will not. The daughters have been running the show for the past 10 years or so anyhow. So, that part will not change. He is just the figurehead of the church nowadays anyhow.

To me, the real story is why he was excommunicated back in August 2013. I'm really interested in why that happened. No one has told why yet. I wish some journalists would dig into why that happened and get the story, because that is something I want to see.

I don't begrudge people who feel pleasure over him dying though. As a gay woman, I understand the feeling and would never begrudge anyone that pleasure. He has caused irreparable harm to the GLBT community for decades now. I say more power to those who are able to feel any animosity at all at the thought of his passing.

Me? I feel nothing at the thought of his passing. The reason I stated above is why I feel nothing. His legacy of hate lives on with his daughters who now run the church and will continue to be a thorn in the sides of the GLBT community for the foreseeable future. Whether he lives or dies doesn't amount to a hill of beans in my life, one way or the other. I refuse to waste an emotion on such a horrid, wretched man anyhow.

I do have a problem, however, with those who want to go to his funeral and stand out there sending love to him. I don't see having some kind of lovey dovey religious love-a-thon for him at his funeral like some are proposing. Whether they agreed with his anti-gay, anti-everything beliefs, or not, the idea of sending him love is preposterous. The man never responded to love in his entire life. He only had hatred. Sending him love is a waste of resources and a waste of love.

Send that love and resources (in the form of donations) to some group of people who deserve it. Make donations to gay youth organizations or other GLBT charities instead. It would actually help people who need it instead of wasting the resources to get to Topeka and fawn over him to try to "take the high road."

That "take the high road" mentality, in this case, is bullshit. Trying to pretend that you are better than him seems kind of ridiculous. Think about it. Do you really need to try to prove you are better than a man who poisoned himself with that kind of seething, lifelong, obsessive hatred? If so, what is wrong in your life than you think you need to do that? It should be a given that most people are less hateful than he is/was, already. So trying to prove you are somehow better than him is a waste of time, effort, and energy. Get down off the cross. We need the wood to try to build houses and help people who need it.

Let the man live or die and ignore his ass. Do something positive and productive instead of wasting love, piety, and self aggrandizing "we are better than that" grandstanding on someone who definitely does not deserve it. It's bullshit.

I BEG you! PLEASE, for everything that is holy and unholy, POST THIS AS AN OP!!!!

PLEASE!

I have to be able to recommend it properly!!!

would be while he is still here breathing our air..gross...we share air with his family

Hope springs eternal.

But with some people you just can't help it. They push all your buttons.

I do want him to suffer.

I don't particularly like that fact about myself and I stop myself and think from a less emotional place and remind myself that suffering is not good, even when it's someone I hate, someone who has done horrible things.

of not wanting him to suffer in his final HOURS, believing that god - not you - will punish him for an ETERNITY. That makes god responsible for his suffering, not you. Convenient, is it not?

My feelings - there's no Hell, and the only justice is in this world, not some make believe afterlife. Anyone wishing any pain on Phelps better be wishing for that small dose of "justice" to be handed out in THIS life, because once he croaks, he's out of his misery, even though the misery he's inflicted on others will persist for years.

You're right, we shouldn't necessarily act like tea baggers and wish the worst on someone, but we also shouldn't act like most tea baggers who are Xians, and who firmly believe in a hell of eternal suffering, and in a god who holds us in higher esteem than other human beings, so much so that he will toss our personal enemies into a special corner of Hell, as a favor to us, if nothing else.

I care about people on my side not giving themselves ulcers. I don't give 3/10 of a rat fuck for Phelpsor his merry band of pea brains!

PEACE!

For some, saying the negative things you just wrote in your post are just as bad as wishing someone to suffer.

If people wish to vent at Phelps they should be free to do so without the finger wagging BS.

There was nothing in my post that was finger wagging!

"What does the hatred and bile that so many have for Phelps do to HIM?

I care about people on my side not giving themselves ulcers. I don't give 3/10 of a rat fuck for Phelps or his merry band of pea brains!"

Let's start with "hatred and bile." That's not finger wagging? How about the thrust of your post: that hatred and bile do nothing to hurt Phelps (so, stop it!)?

The remainder of your post is finger wagging at Phelps & Co.

would be that he be judged as he judged others.

But even I am not that vicious.

Folks, you do not have to forgive him, you just have to be better than him, and that is NOT a high bar.

as Phelps does is already way deep in one of the nastiest hells imaginable.

I don't pretend to know what happens to human energy after we die, but if death is the end of existence, then Fred is probably far better off dead than in the awful hell of hatred that is, and has been, his sad, miserable life.