Number of times this President has cut Social Security: Zero

[11 Bravo]

Number of times the TPP has been signed: Zippy
Number of times the Keystone XL pipeline has been signed off on: Never

Number of posts on the "Democratic"Underground attacking Barack Obama for shit that the "liberal" media has indicated he might do but hasn't actually done: Fuck, my calculator crapped out, can someone else help with that tabulation?

[Tarheel_Dem]

1. Number of times Obama bombed Iran and/or Syria back to the stone age? Nil!

[JoePhilly]

2. Number of times he named Summers to head the Fed. Zero.

Speculative outrage is the best kind on DU.

[11 Bravo]

4. I should have added: Number of reliably liberal SCOTUS justices ...

he has seen onto the court, thus counteracting the execrable Roberts and Alito: Two

[truedelphi]

20. Yes two women.

So yeah for feminism. But pretty painful to know they both were chosen on account of loving the Big Corporate control of the nation as a whole, and they both will probably be in Monsanto's court!

[lillypaddle]

43. Unrec, negative nabob! nt

[upaloopa]

3. That is such twisted logic. If the news is Obama supports

TPP or anything I am apposed to I am going to let him know I don't support it!
That is called Democracy.
You don't wait till the cows are out of the barn to close the barn door!

[11 Bravo]

5. Twisted logic is accusing him of something that hasn't happened.

That is called RW bullshit. If you oppose a possible position, by all means, say so. But accusing this President of complicity in actions that have NOT occurred is an altogether different gig.

[upaloopa]

6. We are reacting to news reports that he supports something.

No body accused him of signing TPP but we all knows he is pushing for fast tract .

[11 Bravo]

12. If you believe that everything the corporate media calls "news" ...

is in fact accurate, then I understand your position.

[Mojorabbit]

14. Are you saying we should take your word instead? nt

[truedelphi]

25. Hi MojoRabbit.

I haven't sen you in months. Hope all is well in MojoRabit land.

[Mojorabbit]

51. Thank you

I am still dealing with paperwork from my husband's passing in Dec. I am hoping to have the bulk of it all done by the end of the month and then I will be able to finally breathe and absorb everything. I hope all is well with you! xoxo

[AgingAmerican]

97. So the corporate news just made it up?

nt

[George II]

60. "we all know"? Just how do we all "know" that? I don't!

[Glitterati]

8. Wasted energy

The Obama Cheerleading Squad tolerate nothing except "rah rah sis boom bah" for Obama.

They have no concept of the worry those of us on Social Security deal with every month when the bills for heat and power far exceed your income already.

They simply do not care that those of us on Social Security have to cut prescribed medications in half just to survive at all.

They tolerate nothing but cheering no matter what he says or what he does.

In the meantime, I applied to the Devil Incarnate yesterday for a part time job - at WalMart - just to survive and stop worrying when the White House continues to threaten my paltry income every week.

[Progressive dog]

22. I'm on social security retirement and the ACA

has plugged half of the Medicare part D doughnut hole and the rest will be plugged. That is what President Obama did, not the crap that he's accused of doing that hasn't happened.

[Glitterati]

23. Honey, not EVERYONE gets Medicare

I'm on widow's benefits. I won't qualify for Medicare for another 4 years.

[Whisp]

76. Tootsy, a LOT do.

me me me me me me me me me

[Glitterati]

77. Clearly

the Obama Cheerleading Squad doesn't give a shit about ME.

Nor does Obama who is willing to put my life and that of my daughter "on the table" by gawd I'm entitled to worry about me, me, me!

[SidDithers]

28. ODS...nt

Sid

[Glitterati]

30. So sweet!

I absolutely love the concern and compassion you exhibit for your fellow man!

[George II]

62. That's simply not true. We don't tolerate him being bashed for something he hasn't done but...

....many around here suspect that he "might" someday. The thing is that most of what he's been accused of doing has never happened.

[Glitterati]

64. Simply not true.

He HAS put CPI on the table over and over and over.

He HAS taken a program which doesn't add one penny to the budget and said "here, take this money from Grandma as long as I get something else in return" despite all the evidence that it will devastate the poor.

[1StrongBlackMan]

72. And worse ...

many around here suspect that he "might" someday. The thing is that most of what he's been accused of doing has never happened.

He's being accused of doing things that not even the republicans believe he "might" do!

It's mind boggling that people have watched, time after time, President Obama (and team) box the gop into (what they even recognize as) no win situations ... Yet "liberals/progressives" can't see it and keep it going because they can't see 1 move down the board.

Amazing.

[sheshe2]

92. Oh yeah...

[progressoid]

19. Exactly.

Apparently, on a political discussion board (as in life), we should only discuss things after they happen.

[jeff47]

24. There's a difference between saying "I don't support it" and speaking as if it already happened.

Lots of posters here slipped into the latter position a while ago. So they write as if the TPP is done, as if Keystone was approved, as if chained CPI was already the law.

So yes, write/call/email/otherwise harass our elected officials saying you don't want something to happen. But don't attack Obama (or any politician) as if it already happened.

To switch to the other party, we can attack W for trying to privatize Social Security once he was re-elected. We can't attack W for actually privatizing Social Security.

[840high]

52. ...^

[FSogol]

7. Something is an outrage, I tell you! Grrrrr.

[JoePhilly]

9. Some others ... the President was never going to ...

End the Iraq war.

End the Afgan war.

End DADT.

End DOMA.

End Bush tax cuts for the top 1% (raised limit from 250k to 400k OUTRAGE!!!!) ... conversely, the claim was made that he would make them ALL permanent.

Each of these has been accompanied by countless outrage filled OPs over the last 5 years.

Far more than anyone could count.

[woo me with science]

10. This bullshit talking point again? That the threats to cut SS have done no harm?

Don't even try this garbage again. Shame on you.


The threats to cut Social Security were used to implement real austerity
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=edit&forum=1002&thread=4535742&pid=4535966

The threats to cut Social Security were used to implement real austerity, and they were used to poison the Democratic Party message and entrench the lying Republican narrative tying Social Security to the deficit and implying that deficit cutting is the most important goal for the country.

Every Democrat, every American, should be sick of the constant Third Way implication that these Social Security threats have been just words and didn't harm anyone. They have harmed EVERYONE.

1. Without the threatened axe of Social Security cuts (which kept returning as the austerity kept escalating), the Third Way would never have been able to sell the vicious budget and social program cuts they HAVE inflicted on Americans...by justifying them as the lesser of two evils.

If you had told us a few years ago that the Barack Obama administration would be presiding over government spending that assaults the poor even more viciously than the RYAN plan, we would never have believed it. Yet that is exactly where we found ourselves, surrounded by corporate mouthpieces exhorting us to be grateful, "because he didn't cut Social Security."

2. For years, Republicans have drummed lies into the heads of the American people about the source of our economic problems and how to fix them. They have pushed vicious austerity and malignant, economy-starving deficit-cutting instead of the real help to the 99 percent that is needed, and they have preached lies about the need to cut SS and LIES about its contribution to the deficit.

President Obama had from Day One of this Presidency to change the narrative about deficits and Social Security. Instead, he has yet again cemented the Republican narrative and made it a "bipartisan" narrative in a way that will not be undone anytime soon.

And this TEMPORARY suspension of the threats, of course during an election year, and of course simultaneously repeating Republican lies about how the deficit will cause them to return in the future....is the obscene Third Way cherry on top.

This President has advocated vicious cuts like this since 2006, and he knows they are vicious. HIs own words then acknowledged that they are vicious to human beings. Barack Obama in 2006: "This is not a bloodless process."*


[font size=3][font color=brown]Trash thread. Let the garbage propaganda sink. [/font size][/font color]


_______________________________________________

Barack Obama in 2006, advocating SS cuts and globalization: "This is not a bloodless process,"
and:
"Too many of us have been interested in defending programs as written in 1938."


Here's the chilling video, in his own words:

More here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1540315

[11 Bravo]

21. OK, I'll try to woo you with a little science. If something has not occurred ...

then it hasn't fucking occurred. Are you good with that? Flat Earth used to be the real deal. Turned out to be wrong. Sun revolving around the Earth? Yup, used to be accepted science. Didn't happen Never happened!
But now apparently complaining about a perceived "failure to change the narrative" is proof of ... something,

[zeemike]

37. There is nothing scientific about narrative.

Unless you consider a manipulating narrative a science.

[Demeter]

39. Do you have any idea what a THREAT is?

How about the POLITICAL PROCESS?

I believe exposure to such things begins very early in grade school...at least, it used to!

Of course, we could always fall back on those tried and true policies:

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
First Amendment, US Constitution
and there are coarser ones....

[hughee99]

45. When is the "appropriate time" to speak out about such things?

AFTER they come to pass? Why not, we don't know for sure until after something happens that it will ever happen.

Climate change hasn't made the sea level rise several feet and placed significant parts of our country underwater, and the repukes don't have control of the Senate, does that mean we shouldn't worry about it until AFTER it happens? Did you feel the same about the protesters that were protesting against invading Iraq BEFORE the war started? Hell, why did I go see my doctor today, I'm not sick right now?

[jsr]

79. Censorship is freedom.

[zeemike]

35. Too bad he did not say that to us before the election.

But he was not talking to us he was talking to the Brookiings Institute...and that is what they wanted to hear if he was going to be allowed to be president.

[dionysus]

87. chilling woo, just terrifying!

[joshcryer]

96. How's that "Paul Ryan pick leading to austerity" conspiracy working out?

Behold: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021110837

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

11. The big picture here...

In politics, nothing is ever over until it's over. And then it's not over.

The other big thing to remember is that the media sucks. And it sucks hard. They'll recycle a six-month old story just to goose their readership and get clicks to their page. So they're going to feed you OBAMA IS CUTTING SOCIAL SECURITY headlines from now until three years after Obama leaves office.

So people, you should always write your elected leaders to remind them that they cut Social Security at their peril. You should always respond to those online surveys to say that you don't favor reducing Social Security benefits.

But let's not have a stroke, OK?

[Glitterati]

16. Try this for a big picture, OK?

I'm sitting here terrified of which bills I should pay this month with my social security deposit.

Terrified because I don't have enough money to pay them all.

Forget the fact that I need prescribed medications I can't even THINK about affording because I have a $186.00 heat bill.

Food? Yeah, I get to choose between food and that heat bill. Do you know what I get for food at the local food pantry? One bag of canned goods; no meat, some peanut butter and some crackers. FOR THE MONTH. You only get one bag a month. Of course, I can go back each week and get all the day old bread I can choke down, assuming I have any gas in the car to GET to the food bank. I put a grand total of $20.00 worth of gas in my car every 2 months.

I have a chronic condition that stress exacerbates; yet I stress every day.

So, hopefully, well into my 60s, Walmart will get that drug test from yesterday and call me today to start that job as a cashier.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

55. My point exactly...

Stressing yourself out over something that has not happened, and may never happen, is not going to improve your condition.

You might want to consider taking an internet break.

[Glitterati]

57. Bwahahahahaha

More of that Democratic compassion for fellow travelers on display I see.

It seems to be a very big part of the Obama Cheerleading Squad.

[Hoyt]

70. Sounds like you would be exempt from chained-CPI, if it were going to be enacted.

In fact, the catfood commission called for an increase in payments to those on lower end of SS benefits. And, no, I'm not minimizing your problems, just questioning your criticism of Obama on this issue.

[Glitterati]

71. You know what?

It's not criticism!!!!! It's real, honest concern.

My daughter and I are hanging on my our fingernails! I've done everything I can to reduce our outflow and it's STILL not enough.

I've done everything right and I still have to worry every single day that Obama is going to cost me my home, my life, my livelihood.

I don't have any "fat" to cut out of our budget. I don't have credit cards, I drive a nearly 20 year old car and only when I just can't walk to where I'm going. I have to call the gas company to split up the bill just to pay for the visit to the doctor.

I'm sick, I'm tired, and I'm worried sick. We simply can't take chained CPI and still live.

It's NOT criticism. I'm terrified that Obama is willing to put my LIFE on the table.

[Hoyt]

80. You won't be subject to chained-CPI, that concern you can forget about.

Your other issues are far more important, but they are not Obama's fault.

[Glitterati]

82. That simply makes no sense

On the one hand, you're telling me not to believe what Obama is saying (CPI is on the table) and on the other hand to believe something ELSE he's saying (these cuts won't affect you).

Pardon me if I don't fall for the schizoid conversation.

He's putting my livelihood 'on the table,' and I don't appreciate it one damned bit.

[Hoyt]

84. Even under the catfood commission those on the lower end will be protected

if CCPI were enacted. In fact, catfood commission would give an increase. You aren't trying to understand.

[Glitterati]

86. I understand what you're trying to say quite clearly

but, pardon me if I find your words contradictory.......

[Hoyt]

88. You aren't trying to understand, you just enjoy blaming Obama for issues where

he is not responsible. I get you are hurting, but Obama isn't responsible.

[Glitterati]

91. I'm done.

No use trying to have a discussion with someone who has already made up their mind.

My trust in Obama and Democrats, in general, just isn't there anymore. Between Obama putting a Democratic stronghold like social security on the table, Harry Reid and his political theater at the expense of the long term unemployed and the absent Nancy Pelosi, my trust is all used up.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

81. Neither joking nor cheerleading...

If obsessing on this shit is making you physically and emotionally ill, find something else to do.

I'm totally and completely serious.

[Glitterati]

83. I clearly don't need your false concern

and you know absolutely nothing about me.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

104. You're right...

I don't know anything about you. But to be clear, my original point was not directed at you personally.

However I do sense from your posts that you're sort of angry. And my sincere advice -- to you and to anybody else -- is that if reading "OMG!OMG!OMG!" articles on the internet (most of which are somewhere between grossly-hyped and outright false) is causing you distress, back away from it. Take a break.

Look at my post count. I've been at DU (I changed my handle back in 2005) since 2001. Why the comparatively low post count? Because on more than one occasion I've taken a "vacation" from DU and the shit-stirring that goes on around here sometimes. Life's too friggin' short to let a bunch of strangers on the internet get you pissed off.

That's what your family is for...

[Glitterati]

105. You're projecting your own feelings

I'm not the least bit upset. Frankly, I find the lack of concern by fellow DUers for the plight of others to be so anti-Democratic it's disgusting. Your flippant "ODS" response to concern and worry by your fellow Democrats says a great deal about YOU not me.

As a human being, I love Obama and his family. I'm proud to say I was a part of putting him in office, no matter how miniscule my part was, but I DID sway a very financially supportive personal friend to Obama very early in the primary against Hillary. However, his behavior in office has been a huge personal disappointment to me. Not just on social security and CPI. But, THIS subject hits very close to home. THIS subject affects me on a very personal level as a widow collecting survivor benefits.

I'm a widow because Obama was elected too late for my husband who was disabled and had to wait 2 years for his medicare to kick in. He died waiting for medical care. He left behind a devastated 15 yr. old daughter.

I've been diagnosed with a chronic, devastating illness and I have no intention of leaving my daughter an orphan. I'll fight for her survivor benefits with all I have - even IF the opposition is Barack Obama. Because, on THIS issue he's very wrong.

He's put a gun to my daughter's head, even though YOU seem to think it's not loaded. I can't take that chance.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

106. I've said all that I'm going to say...

I'm sorry for the troubles that you're having, and I hope that your personal situation improves in the future.

[TheKentuckian]

100. Tell the folks presenting these threats and including them in budgets to cut it out and

The temperature would go down sharply.

No, cut the shit you put bullshit out there and push back is coming and rightfully and responsibly so.

Folks aren't acting like anything has happened that hasn't, they are acting like some shit is not going to happen quietly and not at all if it can be helped

[1000words]

13. How many head scratching moments have we seen from this administration?

I can understand why folks reflexively react when the White House even hints at playing politics with things like Social Security.

[notadmblnd]

15. technically, no he hasn't cut SS

but if IIRC, he did put a freeze on cola increases for a few years. So has it been cut? No, but seniors have less than they would have had if they had gotten their annual cola increases.

[truedelphi]

18. I share yr frustration. n/t

[zeemike]

38. And technically it is a cut.

Because the price of everything including food has continued to rise...so you might have the same dollar amount but you can buy less with it...that is a cut no matter what they say.

[Glitterati]

50. Here's the COLA history

2009 and 2010 COLA was 0.0

http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/cola/colaseries.html

[SidDithers]

63. Who sets the COLA rate?...nt

Sid

[Glitterati]

67. The info is right there on that page.

You might want to follow the link.

[SidDithers]

68. Oh, I know how it is set...

I'm trying to figure out if you do.

Sid

[truedelphi]

17. Semantics is the name of the game.

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The fact that this Administration claims that inflation is very low and then there are no raises for people getting Social security, leaves me in that "Hmm" state of mind.

Grocery prices are mind blowing right now. For a while I didn't think they were so bad. But then one day I started realizing that the ice cream I was still paying only $ 4.39 for was in a container a good three ounces smaller. And the same situation was true for almost everything else. The "price" was what I usually paid the year before, but there were now 10 1/2 ounces instead of 12, etc.

[rhett o rick]

26. Can you spell S T R A W M A N ?

Number of times posters have accused him of signing off on the TPP. Zero

Number of times posters have accused him of signing off on the XL Pipeline. Zippy

Number of times posters have accused him of cutting Social Security. Nada

Can you spell F L A M E B A I T ??

[fleabiscuit]

46. Ya, man.

It might have helped if the OP had considered the things the President can vs cannot actually do. But I guess that wouldn't be as much fun.

[dionysus]

90. hit too close to home, didn't it?

can you spell "hit a nerve"? I thought that you could.

[rhett o rick]

93. And all you guys have is, "Obama didnt do it.....yet." Oh yeah and of course you have

Sid's rude emoticon. The BOG signature. That's so childish.

[tridim]

27. The only thing suckier than Strawman Obama...

are the people tearing it down.

Reality, folks. Try it.

[Jamaal510]

94. IDK about that.

Stawman Obama can take on many different personae at once. He can somehow simultaneously be a fascist and a communist, and he can be a weak leader and an authoritarian at the same time. SO is almost like Superman.

[SidDithers]

29. The Wheel of Outrage must be spun every day...

so that the True Liberals will have something to post about.

Sid

[freshwest]

34. And those waiting for Godot 'have not yet begun to suffer.' The rest who suffer today, and have

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suffered for years, don't blame everything in life on one man. And generally don't tell their miseries on internet message boards to entertain others.

I suggest those who settle for so low a target as hating on Obama, go take a piss on God's sandals and see if that works. Or pull on Superman's cape or spit into the wind and report back with how it made them rich and happy.

lt's no use having a 'I suffer more than you' contest. Most people have some seriously soul eating shit to deal which others would be afraid of if they found out. As it can happen to anyone, and may blight their lives one day, too.

We're alive. That's all we get. Make the most of it. No one can live our lives for us.

[rhett o rick]

54. Thank you for pointing out the absurd outrage of this OP. I agree. nm

[mindwalker_i]

31. So this argument says...

Obama said he supports the TPP and wants to fast-track it. One might make the logical conclusion that since he supports the TPP, he supports the things in it, and there are a lot of things people consider to be really bad in the TPP. However, since it hasn't been signed yet, one must disregard Obama's support for it and the things in the TPP.

Similarly, Obama has indicated that SS cuts are something he might agree with. A lot of people consider cutting SS to be a bad thing, especially since the country continues to spend a lot of money of things like the F35 or tanks that, arguable, are not useful. But since SS hasn't actually been cut yet, we can't judge Obama's indication that he's willing to do so.

That argument set off my bullshit detector.

Now just for the sake of argument, let's consider the possibility that Obama is putting these things out there as part of his Hilbert-space based chess game (look it up). It would stand to reason that, if he's arguing for something he doesn't want, his real goal is to get people fired up so they oppose those ideas (that Obama doesn't actually want to happen). If that's the case, then telling people to sit down, shut up and not worry about it is not what Obama wants to happen - he wants us to get mad and fired up. So by telling people to chill, you are going against what Obama wants.

I suppose that's possible, but I don't think it's likely.

[Fearless]

32. Number of times he's offered to put it on the table in a COLA adjustment... MORE THAN ZERO.

[Autumn]

33. The TPP and Keystone are still in the planning stages and in progress, Obama DID offer a chained

CPI. I've never seen anyone attacking him for DOING those things but plenty were pissed at him for offering a chained CPI in his negotiations, and we were within our rights to be pissed off over that. Big difference between attacking Obama and discussing these things that are in the air. I'm not good at sitting down and shutting up and waiting till we know what's in it and we can fix it later.

Obama obviously supports the TPP he's working his ass off to get it fast tracked , the southern leg of the keystone pipe line is already completed. Now how much fucking longer should we wait to discuss these things they his administration is pushing for?

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/03/04/bernie-sanders-praises-obamas-budget-cutting-social-security.html

[aquart]

36. No cola for years was a pretty effective reduction of Social Security.

So, please.

[albino65]

40. Hey 11 Bravo, I agree with you. n/t

[neverforget]

41. Well, he DID offer up Chained CPI to the Republicans.

TPP is a very real threat to the American worker.
Keystone XL is a threat to the environment and will help accelerate climate change.

The fact that he has not signed TPP (still being negotiated) or the Keystone XL (no decision yet) does not mean we should just sit silently while these monstrosities move forward. Should we wait for them to happen first and then do something? Isn't that a little late to stop it?

As far as the Chained CPI is concerned, a letter from 117 Democrats in the House and 15 in the Senate went to the President about their opposition to it. Should they have waited until it was in a bill to voice opposition to it or what?

[840high]

53. ...^

[JoeyT]

42. So you're saying he's a liar?

That he means absolutely nothing that he says? Well that's a new tactic, I'll give y'all that.

It's a hell of a note when taking a politician at his word is considered hating him.

[marble falls]

44. Thanks.

[Logical]

47. Rah Rah Rah! n-t

[frylock]

48. this your first dance? ever heard of a "trial balloon?"

[Cheese4TheRat]

49. Because it is always better to wait until after the damage is done.

I mean, why be vocal now and prevent bad decisions when you can allow you silence to be tacit approval and then whine about the results later.

[rhett o rick]

56. So he put the gun to grandma's head but, not to worry, he never pulled the trigger. nm

[Glitterati]

61. Yet. nt

[rhett o rick]

75. This go around, he has the gun behind his back. nm

[MannyGoldstein]

58. You've proved that Obama wants children to be homeless.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024605886

Congratulations, I think.

[Glitterati]

65. You know what, Manny?

If chained CPI is put into place, my child WILL BE HOMELESS.

Does that make you happy?

[MannyGoldstein]

69. No, it makes me very cross.

Extremely.

[George II]

59. Thanks! I've been thinking just that for months, haven't put it so succinctly.

[BlueCaliDem]

66. Hear! Hear!

Some Liberaltarians (or closeted Republitarians taking advantage of the ODS permeating DU these days) on DU are feverishly doing everything and anything they can to take this president and the Democratic Party down. It's sickening.

[jsr]

73. Is President Obama a great president or the greatest president EVER?

That is all we need to discuss.

[WillyT]

74. And Yet... All It Takes... Is Once...

[indepat]

78. The proof will be in the pudding: what is to come will come

[dionysus]

85. and he would have done it, too, if not for those brave 3rd party DUers who stopped him!

[L0oniX]

89. LSD makes it seem like it was never offered ...never attempted ...and never planned. Enjoy the trip.

[Katashi_itto]

95. Not for lack of trying. Trash

[Hekate]

98. Enter "brazillion" into your calculator. Not sure if a hand-held can take the zeroes necessary tho.

So many posts are about fear and fear-mongering. All of us here are political junkies to one degree or another, or we wouldn't be here in the first place, and it's so hard to go day to day with the little accurate information we can glean from the media while the usual RW suspects are doing their utmost to divide us and destroy this president.

That's what I hold to: the certain knowledge that I voted for the man based on his character, and the equally certain knowledge that the VRWC and its tentacles are corrupt to the core. Under those circs, who do you think I'm gonna believe?

We are impatient with his deliberate nature, but on the whole he gets the job done and keeps his promises. Just for one example: If all the people who claimed he was throwing them under the bus in the first months of his presidency would stand up now and admit that by the end of his second term their marriages will be recognized (not performed, but recognized) in every state in the nation, in the military, and federally, it would fill a DU stadium.

Our troops ARE returning home, though not fast enough, and he has not started any new wars, either. And Bin Ladin is dead.

[Exen Trik]

99. It serves a purpose

Outrage at what he is putting on the table is important to make sure those things don't come to pass. If we all just trusted him not to cut social security, he may well have done it already. We can't afford to just trust blindly, when we get a whiff of something that would do us harm no matter by who we need to react with all we have. Right now the biggest thing to push on is the TPP, because he damn well is looking to get that fast tracked and its not going to be doing us any good to stand by and let it happen.

[MADem]

101. Damn right.

But (waaaaaaah, waaaaaaaaaaah) he....unnnnh... unnnh..... he MIGHT!!!!!

It could HAPPEN!!!

It's like a bunch of Judy Tenuta clones up in here some days...

[bowens43]

102. and tet he keeps trying, just another failure on his part.

[raven mad]

103. Um. 11 Bravo? Will you marry me?

Oh, crap, wait, I'm already married.

Major +1!