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Sun Mar 2, 2014, 11:07 AM

To those advocating US military intervention in the Ukraine: I guarantee you ...

that there's a recruiting office somewhere in your ZIP code. And if you can't find it, PM me and I will send you the requisite enlistment papers.
(But before you do, if you might allow this tired old fart to offer up a bit of wisdom based on personal experience ... getting in the middle of someone else's fucking civil war ain't all it's cracked up to be.)

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Reply To those advocating US military intervention in the Ukraine: I guarantee you ... (Original post)
11 Bravo Mar 2014 OP
jsr Mar 2014 #1
Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #3
stevenleser Mar 2014 #2
DhhD Mar 2014 #5
stevenleser Mar 2014 #6
paleotn Mar 2014 #14
Berlin Expat Mar 2014 #23
Diclotican Mar 2014 #84
IrishAyes Mar 2014 #74
MineralMan Mar 2014 #8
stevenleser Mar 2014 #10
ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #43
sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #56
Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #66
ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #87
Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #88
ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #85
IrishAyes Mar 2014 #75
stevenleser Mar 2014 #76
IrishAyes Mar 2014 #81
malaise Mar 2014 #13
IrishAyes Mar 2014 #91
MineralMan Mar 2014 #92
IrishAyes Mar 2014 #94
2banon Mar 2014 #35
stevenleser Mar 2014 #36
2banon Mar 2014 #42
MADem Mar 2014 #71
IrishAyes Mar 2014 #72
madokie Mar 2014 #4
The Wizard Mar 2014 #7
smokey775 Mar 2014 #21
2banon Mar 2014 #38
freshwest Mar 2014 #57
ctsnowman Mar 2014 #70
IrishAyes Mar 2014 #77
malthaussen Mar 2014 #9
paleotn Mar 2014 #11
totodeinhere Mar 2014 #12
Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #15
totodeinhere Mar 2014 #25
nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #26
newthinking Mar 2014 #28
nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #34
2banon Mar 2014 #39
pampango Mar 2014 #68
Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #16
beemer27 Mar 2014 #17
Blanks Mar 2014 #49
Enthusiast Mar 2014 #64
BlueMTexpat Mar 2014 #18
cantbeserious Mar 2014 #19
Madam Mossfern Mar 2014 #27
awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #60
smokey775 Mar 2014 #20
RKP5637 Mar 2014 #33
pasto76 Mar 2014 #37
Enthusiast Mar 2014 #65
IrishAyes Mar 2014 #78
nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #22
Brother Buzz Mar 2014 #31
avaistheone1 Mar 2014 #24
watoos Mar 2014 #29
L0oniX Mar 2014 #47
DeSwiss Mar 2014 #48
Trajan Mar 2014 #30
Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #44
Blanks Mar 2014 #50
WhiteTara Mar 2014 #32
Gman Mar 2014 #40
MrScorpio Mar 2014 #41
totodeinhere Mar 2014 #45
IrishAyes Mar 2014 #79
L0oniX Mar 2014 #46
3catwoman3 Mar 2014 #51
L0oniX Mar 2014 #53
Skittles Mar 2014 #52
MisterP Mar 2014 #54
freshwest Mar 2014 #58
iamthebandfanman Mar 2014 #55
Maedhros Mar 2014 #59
vlakitti Mar 2014 #61
IrishAyes Mar 2014 #80
Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #62
joshcryer Mar 2014 #63
2banon Mar 2014 #89
riqster Mar 2014 #67
Mkap Mar 2014 #69
IrishAyes Mar 2014 #73
TNNurse Mar 2014 #82
Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #83
Brigid Mar 2014 #86
IrishAyes Mar 2014 #90
workinclasszero Mar 2014 #93

Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 11:11 AM

1. Stay out of their clusterfuck

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Response to jsr (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 11:12 AM

3. Amen.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 11:12 AM

2. So far, I only see one person doing that. I am not sure that justifies an OP. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 11:52 AM

5. I think that warmongers - are - preparing for war as we speak/write.

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Response to DhhD (Reply #5)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 11:54 AM

6. People think all kinds of things. Outside of Ukraine and Russia, no one is preparing for war on this

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 12:21 PM

14. Hope you're right...

...but I kinda doubt it. Maybe not physical preparations, but philosophical ones I sure, just like Syria. To borrow from Sun Tzu, you've got to "fight" a war in the "temples" before it's fought on the battlefield.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #14)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 01:07 PM

23. Czech media

has been recounting various Russian atrocities that occurred here during the 1968 Warsaw Pact Invasion.

The Chairman of the Czech Foreign Affairs Parliamentary Commitee, Karel Schwarzenberg, straight-up said that Putin is pulling the same thing that Hitler did in both Austria and Czechslovakia. He pretty much said, publicly, Putin=Hitler.

The Poles are saying similar things as well.

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Response to Berlin Expat (Reply #23)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 10:49 AM

84. Berlin Expat

Berlin Expat

To be fair - both the Czech and the polish do have some bad experience with the russians over the last couple of centuries... Even though it is a long time since 1968 Warsaw pact invasion - it gave the Czech some painfully wounds who is there, right under the surface for everyone who want to dig a meter down.... And they have never been given any apology for the treatment in the hand of the Russians either (who was the wast bulk of the armed forces from the Warsaw pact)..


I'm not sure if Putin is the same at Hitler - but I do understand, from a czech perspective about this case, it would be an experience they would not do twice - as Tczjekkia was treated pretty bad under the german control.... And experienced also a lot of hardship under Soviet control...


Diclotican

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Response to paleotn (Reply #14)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 09:37 AM

74. Even the Irish can't argue with Sun Tzu. No point starting a fight nobody can win.

I'm always in awe of that man's powerful influence reaching across the centuries.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 11:58 AM

8. You posted a similar comment in my OP, too.

It's interesting. Discussions about Ukraine and Russia are part of the current news environment. People are posting all sorts of OPs on the subject. And why would they not?

While you're correct that not many DUers are advocating a military response, a lot more DUers are concerned about that possibility. So, a couple of OPs have been written about whether or not the US would contemplate such a response. Why would such OPs not be justified, Steven?

If you find them unimportant and unjustified, that's fine. But, people will discuss what they wish to discuss on DU.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 12:06 PM

10. Your OP and this one create the incorrect impression there is support for this here on DU.

 

There is one person here who supports military action out of tens of thousands of members.

That is not what I would consider 'support for this here on DU'. Do you consider it so?

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #10)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 02:06 PM

43. Extremists need strawmen to attack...

...otherwise they're stuck trying to defend their indefensible positions.

There are a lot of tools in the United States' (and the Worlds') toolbox other than thermonuclear war.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #43)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 02:13 AM

56. Who are these extremists you speak of? Names please or links to their posts. They should

be alerted on if they manage to post on this forum.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #56)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 06:10 AM

66. The echos in the reality-based community are sometimes so strong that outside voices can't seem to

penetrate the bubble.

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Response to Democracyinkind (Reply #66)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 12:22 PM

87. You might want to google "reality based community" before you...

...embarrass yourself further.

I don't really think you're a fan of Karl Rove. Just sayin...

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #87)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 12:35 PM

88. No, or I'd absolutely dig the stuff you post.


W.T.F - Proud member of whatever term makes me seem less like the minority I represent.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #56)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 11:19 AM

85. Gee, who are these extremists, Sabrina? I wonder.

Let me give you a hint: extremists can't stand to hear opinions they don't like, so seek to remove all content that they have no answer for. Does that remind you of anyone, Sabrina?

I disagree with extremists. I think they are addicts of sanctimony and hate. They find no subtle problem that can't be reduced to "everything bad in the world is caused by the people I hate (which is more or less everyone who doesn't agree with me 100%) so removing them would fix all problems forever".

Never the less, I will defend to the death their right to voice their absurd opinions - subject to my responses correcting their logic, misrepresentations, creation of straw men, or (quite often) outright lies (especially about Democrats).

You also might re-read the rules of the Democratic Underground, which is pretty clear about allowing people to speak their minds, including the most whack-a-doodle nutcase extremists. Hell, you can say Stalin and Pol Pot were the most heroic politicians of the 20th century, and it's not something which should be alerted under D.U. rules.

In case you need some extra help, here's a little list I posted a while ago.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #10)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 09:42 AM

75. Are we then to discuss only matters you yourself find worthy?

This is an enormously critical situation. Instead of demeaning those who bother to comment on it, why not instead celebrate the good sense and solidarity of purpose (for once) being expressed? I find good sense and solidarity worthy of applause.

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Response to IrishAyes (Reply #75)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 09:44 AM

76. I find it worthy to discuss why people engage in this bandwagon of the righteous against a phantom

 

foe.

Am I not allowed to discuss that?

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #76)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 10:10 AM

81. Yes, you are - but that still doesn't make your attitude any more justifiable. The right to speak,

even when you're essentially telling others to shut up, will not save you the discomfort of contrary responses, with which I totally agree btw.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 12:16 PM

13. +1,000 n/t

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 4, 2014, 10:24 PM

91. Would you care to share a link to your OP mentioned above? I'd like to read it.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #92)

Wed Mar 5, 2014, 07:56 PM

94. Thank you very much.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 01:43 PM

35. oh, there's more than one. at least dozen by my count.

 

it's really bizarre to see on DU.

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Response to 2banon (Reply #35)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 01:44 PM

36. I see one. Brentwil. It's not a call out after three OPs doing the same thing now. I think he wants

 

people to know that is where he stands. Who else? Feel free to PM me.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #36)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 02:03 PM

42. check out the other OP's posted last night/yesterday..

 

Here are a few OP's containing responses on the issue.

links: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=742961

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024589052

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024590563

there are more, but I've lost track at this point..

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Response to 2banon (Reply #42)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 08:58 AM

71. A bunch of low post count trolls with oddball names were Pootie praising and justifying.

I think y'all need to speak to MIRT--they cleared out a ton of shit. They must have been shovelling all last night.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 09:32 AM

72. Obvious though it might be to those older and wiser, the point DOES need to be stated for the sake

of our lurkers, trolls, and potentially ignorant passersby. Maybe even the silent DUer at risk from the forces of darkness to be found everywhere IRL. I find the OP timely and appreciate it. Just because there's not a general hue and cry for WAR! here, at least not as yet, doesn't detract from the value of the statement one whit.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 11:13 AM

4. I'm with you Bravo

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 11:57 AM

7. Roger that Bravo

We've heard enough from the chickenhawks. The assholes who thought invading and occupying Vietnam had no chance of going themselves. Funny how that happens. Punks like Bill Kristol would wet their pants if they had to spend a night in the NDP (night defensive position). And Ted Nugent would have been handed a PRC 25 radio, a compass, binoculars and a map, that is if he didn't have an "unfortunate accident" first.

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Response to The Wizard (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 01:07 PM

21. Don't forget Mitt Romney,

 

while supporting the war, he went on vacation to France.

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Response to The Wizard (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 01:48 PM

38. Just posted in another thread.. I'm reading Domino Theory arguments just like Vietnam...

 

I never thought I'd be reading and hearing this stuff again in my lifetime, after that catastrophic war.

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Response to 2banon (Reply #38)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 02:17 AM

57. Yeah, some think the USSR is on the way back. Gonna roll over Europe. Nope. If I'm wrong this time,

I'll just myself. I think some want to see that again, to reaffirm their past. Others are truly frightened. So I won't put them down.

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Response to 2banon (Reply #38)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 08:47 AM

70. X 1000

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Response to The Wizard (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 09:47 AM

77. I don't know or really care how tall Teddy Boy is, but I'd gladly volunteer him for tunnel rat duty

on the front lines.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 12:02 PM

9. Dude, nobody wants the wisdom of old farts when it comes to war.

Here's a sad thought too: I bet plenty of farts just as old as you are waving the flag and salivating at the thought of sending 19 year olds out to die. The difference? They managed to avoid the war.

-- Mal

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 12:14 PM

11. Damn right! (nt)

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 12:15 PM

12. Maybe I missed it but I haven't seen anyone at DU advocating US military

intervention in Ukraine.

But criticizing Putin and calling for him to keep his hands off from Ukraine is completely justified.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 12:30 PM

15. unfortunately there is one - I cannot tell if they are just a nut or if they are a right-wing troll

trying to make DU look bad. I hope they are the only one.

Here is the link to their loony OP:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024586432

I suppose it also disturbs me that even some of those clearly opposing war with Russia talk as if war with Russia is no bigger deal than war with Iraq - as if they don't have a clue

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Response to Douglas Carpenter (Reply #15)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 01:13 PM

25. Thanks. I had missed that thread.

I agreed with the poster up until he or she said "If Russia uses force in the Ukraine, the US should be ready to respond with force." That part I disagree with. However I would support an aggressive non military reaction.

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Response to Douglas Carpenter (Reply #15)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 01:20 PM

26. Well he is like McCain

 

I set my watch by his "pearls of do do."

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Response to newthinking (Reply #28)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 01:40 PM

34. Yup, my watch is correctly set

 

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 01:50 PM

39. you missed it...it's going on big time..

 

against the rules to call out specifics but you can easily find it for yourself.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #12)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 07:22 AM

68. Agreed. The consistent approach is to oppose ALL foreign military intervention in Ukraine.

(Not exactly a new idea for liberals. We almost always support non-violent solutions to international problems.) Criticizing Putin for doing it, but promoting that the US/EU intervene militarily is a biased proposal.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 12:32 PM

16. Brevity is the soul of wit.

Wonderful

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 12:37 PM

17. Thumbs up!

I wish that there had been someone to say that before we got into Vietnam. Those of us who paid the price for the lessons learned there can only hope that our leadership was paying attention. The MIC has fed too well and too often since then. It is time to cut them off. There is nothing for us to gain over there.

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Response to beemer27 (Reply #17)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 09:45 PM

49. I can't help but wonder if the military cuts aren't what's behind our sudden interest in Russia...

It's easy to find places where we should intervene in the world. I suspect that the media (wholly owned by the MIC) wants to take steps to reduce those military cuts.

So, let's see what the Russians are up to.

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Response to Blanks (Reply #49)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 05:42 AM

64. I believe that is the best explanation I've heard yet.

The proposed military cuts are what has generated all this Russian panic/concern.

The truth of the matter is the MIC doesn't have a reason to exist at this level. Not at a fraction of their present size. And they know the American people are asking about the size of the military.

So we can expect some very serious talking heads on the TV acting scared and telling us about the vast Russian nuclear arsenal. "Oh, my, how will we ever stay safe!"

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 12:52 PM

18. Exactly. eom

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 12:56 PM

19. Country Joe And The Fish - Vietnam Song

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #19)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 01:22 PM

27. Boy, did that bring back memories!

Too bad we (the US) didn't learn the lesson very well.

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #19)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 02:51 AM

60. "be the first on on your block

 

to have your boy come home in a box"- that line always sends a chill down my spine. It never changes.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 01:02 PM

20. Chickenhawks always yell the loudest for war,

 

not those of us who have seen actual war up close and personal.

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Response to smokey775 (Reply #20)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 01:31 PM

33. Well said! Too many treat war like another spectator sport with no skin/life lost for them. War is

horrific!

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Response to smokey775 (Reply #20)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 01:46 PM

37. word

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Response to smokey775 (Reply #20)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 05:46 AM

65. Every time one of those chickenhawk cocksuckers show up on TV clamoring for war

the other guests or moderators should ask them about their military service.

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Response to smokey775 (Reply #20)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 09:56 AM

78. My dad was a career military man, and so were my brothers.

If any of us had said a single word promoting war, I shudder to think of the consequences. Among many other things, General Omar Bradley was right about Nam: wrong time, wrong place, wrong war. People who think like Patton would bring on WWIII in a heartbeat. Then we could all go up in flames - but that would sure show the Ruskies!

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 01:07 PM

22. Let me add another piece of wisdom

 

It matters little what you or me want. If they elites and those in the corridors of power want one, they'll get it.

We only do the dying, they do the enriching.

And if this goes real hot, them chicken hawks will get their chance to find out what you and I and others know. Unless they are lucky enough and draw a
RAMF (Rear Area Mother Fucker) assignment. Just in case the chicken hawks don't have a clue. Yes, the equivalent exists in Spanish.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #22)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 01:27 PM

31. It's REMF

REMF - Rear Echelon Mother-Fucker

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 01:08 PM

24. K&R

 

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 01:24 PM

29. Before anyone starts singing the praises

 

of the people who orchestrated a coup on a democratically elected leader, it should be mandatory to see who these people are.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/loving-a-putsch-cheering-a-democratic-neo-nazi-coup-in-ukraine/5371232

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Response to watoos (Reply #29)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 08:56 PM

47. globalresearch.ca WTF!

 

While many of Globalresearch.ca's articles discuss legitimate humanitarian or environmental concerns, the site has a strong undercurrent of reality warping and bullshit throughout its pages, especially in relation to taking its news from "Russia Today", along with other unreliable and/or open sources.

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Response to watoos (Reply #29)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 09:03 PM

48. Details.

 

- When you're busy saving the world for democracy, no one's got time for facts.




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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 01:26 PM

30. Even those who advocate a military response

 

Cannot escape a hard reality - there is no guarantee that a military intervention against Russia will be successful ... Russia is a bad mofo in conventional warfare, with boots on the ground and tanks on the street .... They are known to go hard and fast, and with little consideration for world opinion or human rights ...

They are no pushovers - it will take more than a mere interventionist response to dislodge them - it will take total war, and the world could not survive all out war between Russia and the US.

Unless we are willing to wage complete war and risk everything - intervention against Russia will be unsuccessful ...

Ain't gonna happen, no matter how many sabres get rattled and chests get beaten ...

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Response to Trajan (Reply #30)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 02:11 PM

44. And they're NOT the rusting hulk As Seen On TV during the 90s....

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Response to Trajan (Reply #30)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 09:58 PM

50. Yes. We don't get taught much about the 'Russian role' in WWII in school...

But they call it 'The Great Patriotic War' and they lost 20 million people in the war. Every family lost relatives. The sacrifices that they made make the American sacrifices pale in comparison.

In their cities they fought street to street, house to house, inch by inch. They were our allies and they are very tough people. In fact, though American history tells us that the Americans won the war - the turning point was the battle of Kursk. We provided them with oodles of supplies, but they did the fighting, they made the sacrifices.

We should respect them.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 01:30 PM

32. The sage advice of someone who has been there

and done that. I hope you are well today and that you are never sent somewhere like that again!

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 01:50 PM

40. Do people those people realize the nuclear weapon implications?

Didn't think so.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 02:02 PM

41. Damn Skippy!!! nt

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 02:24 PM

45. Up until recently, Putin was generally considering persona non grata at DU

due to his brutal oppression of LGBT's in his country. I was among those criticizing him for that.

But it seems that the mood has changed and now suddenly a lot of people don't seem to want to criticize Putin anymore. Why? Does militarily intervening in another sovereign country get him off the hook for his brutal domestic policies?

With a very few exceptions the vast majority of us do not support US military intervention. I know I don't. But Putin is a bad person on any number of levels and I for one am not going to let up with my condemnation of his policies.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #45)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 10:01 AM

79. No one's asking you to do that.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 08:53 PM

46. NO! DO NOT SIGN UP! I do not want the taxes I pay going to your military paycheck!

 

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #46)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 10:24 PM

51. Your comment brings up a question...

...I have long pondered. I feel much as you do - I would rather not have my taxes paying for war. Why doesn't that point of view matter just as much as that of those who wish to interfere with women's reproductive choices?

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Response to 3catwoman3 (Reply #51)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 10:53 PM

53. War is never healthy. Women having reproductive choices is.

 

Seems clear cut but maybe it isn't. There's no use in me trying to stop them from using my tax money for war. I'll hold on to my resentment about that. Personal health choices IMO is not on the same playing field. I'm not going to complain or revolt at the use of my tax money to pay for the health care of a drug addict or lung cancer victim of smoking or a vet who did what he was told to do. I don't know the answers or the right way of this matter only that I am determined to take a stand about war and peace. I've been a hippy, anti war and anti corrupt corporation since the days of Vietnam. Maybe it's a matter of how large the issue seems to the individual.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 10:35 PM

52. PREACH IT 11 BRAVO

yes INDEED

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 01:57 AM

54. "Those who do not know how to live must make a merit of dying" --Shaw

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Response to MisterP (Reply #54)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 02:18 AM

58. +1

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 02:09 AM

55. definitely uncalled for.

Russia is a large nation that's very involved with the world now...

there are plenty of ways to punish them without firing a shot... especially if Europe and the UN get involved as well...

personally I say everyone should squeeze them financially until the bread lines start to form again and putins dumbass is ban from politics.. but that's just me.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 02:18 AM

59. I will risk being punished by a jury and just say that anyone advocating war with Russia

 

over the Ukraine is batshit crazy.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #59)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 02:52 AM

61. Thank you. "Batshit crazy" is a fair and modest description.

The attempted whipped-up hysteria actually doesn't seem to be very effective these days.

More of a parody, actually, despite McCain and Lindsay being all over the loudmouth media mouthing the selfsame nonsense for the 8000th time this year.

In two weeks, this issue will reach "Benghazi!" level seriousness.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #59)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 10:04 AM

80. If a jury punishes you, they might as well take me too. I second your comment.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 03:20 AM

62. Excellent post!

 

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 03:23 AM

63. Only person I know here is BrentWil

Anyone else actually advocating that?

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #63)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 03:04 PM

89. no, he's joined by a few others.. but I'm feeling that they're small minority

 

I won't id (please don't ask me to). I was stunned over the weekend to see/read calls for military action against Russia... but now I'm realizing it's on a small scale here i think..

As I write this response, I just heard on the radio a clip of McCain denouncing Russia, ending with "It Cannot Stand". ...

which reminds me that we have to hold war hawks in check even if they're in a minority.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 06:56 AM

67. A-friggin'-men.

Putin is a scumbucket's scumbucket, but going to war over the Ukraine? That would be Shrubya come again.

The diplomatic and economic toolboxes are opening as we speak, and though some may mock their use, they have a good track record. Putin is vulnerable to them, so they are the "hammer" for his "nail".

He didn't push so hard for three high-profile international events in a row in Sochi because he doesn't need money from, and influence over, the world community. He did so because he DOES need that money and influence.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 08:26 AM

69. intervention

it's amazing how many people think that international politics is a dick measuring contest

Ohhhh boooohhooo we "don't look tough" compared to the rest of the world. SO what???? Fox news anchors with their five year old like maturity are clueless

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 09:33 AM

73. I was going to write you a specific thanks, but will instead refer you to my post #72.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 10:20 AM

82. I am OK with certain Americans going

John McCain, Dick Cheney, George W. Bush should go right now.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 10:22 AM

83. Very few people here at DU are advocating US military intervention.

Just because those of us who are vocal about Russia's military incursion into Ukraine does not mean we automatically support US military intervention.

You're seriously strawmanning it.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 11:36 AM

86. Anybody advocating going to war needs to see this:



It's from "All Quiet on the Western Front." See the entire movie for further details.

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Response to Brigid (Reply #86)

Tue Mar 4, 2014, 05:39 PM

90. "All's Quiet On the Western Front" should be required viewing for everyone.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Wed Mar 5, 2014, 10:15 AM

93. Yeah lets get into a war on Russia's doorstep

 

Two nuclear powers mano a mano. The reich wing have been dyin for this forever! I mean...What could possibly go wrong?

The MIC would love it! Your kids die, theirs get even more rich!

And if Puttie goes all the way over the edge and decides to use those nukes..well...

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