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sheshe2

(83,668 posts)
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 08:53 PM Mar 2014

Black Like Me, 50 Years Later

Last edited Sun Mar 2, 2014, 03:07 AM - Edit history (1)

John Howard Griffin gave readers an unflinching view of the Jim Crow South. How has his book held up?

By Bruce Watson
Smithsonian Magazine



John Howard Griffin, left in New Orleans in 1959, asked what "adjustments" a white man would have to make if he were black. (Don Rutledge)




John Howard Griffin had embarked on a journey unlike any other. Many black authors had written about the hardship of living in the Jim Crow South. A few white writers had argued for integration. But Griffin, a novelist of extraordinary empathy rooted in his Catholic faith, had devised a daring experiment. To comprehend the lives of black people, he had darkened his skin to become black. As the civil rights movement tested various forms of civil disobedience, Griffin began a human odyssey through the South, from New Orleans to Atlanta.

snip

“Black Like Me disabused the idea that minorities were acting out of paranoia,” says Gerald Early, a black scholar at Washington University and editor of Lure and Loathing: Essays on Race, Identity, and the Ambivalence of Assimilation. “There was this idea that black people said certain things about racism, and one rather expected them to say these things. Griffin revealed that what they were saying was true. It took someone from outside coming in to do that. And what he went through gave the book a remarkable sincerity.”

snip

Across the South in the summer of 1959, drinking fountains, restaurants and lunch counters still carried signs reading, “Whites Only.” Most Americans saw civil rights as a “Southern problem,” but Griffin’s theological studies had convinced him that racism was a human problem. “If a white man became a Negro in the Deep South,” he wrote on the first page of Black Like Me, “what adjustments would he have to make?” Haunted by the idea, Griffin decided to cross the divide. “The only way I could see to bridge the gap between us,” he would write, “was to become a Negro.”

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As the civil rights movement accelerated, Griffin gave more than a thousand lectures and befriended black spokesmen ranging from Dick Gregory to Martin Luther King Jr. Notorious throughout the South, he was trailed by cops and targeted by Ku Klux Klansmen, who brutally beat him one night on a dark road in 1964, leaving him for dead. By the late 1960s, however, the civil rights movement and rioting in Northern cities highlighted the national scale of racial injustice and overshadowed Griffin’s experiment in the South. Black Like Me, said activist Stokely Carmichael (Kwame Ture), “is an excellent book—for whites.” Griffin agreed; he eventually curtailed his lecturing on the book, finding it “absurd for a white man to presume to speak for black people when they have superlative voices of their own.

Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/black-like-me-50-years-later-74543463/#ixzz2ulJcEouv

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Black Like Me, 50 Years Later (Original Post) sheshe2 Mar 2014 OP
I've recommended that book to a lot of folks, and the movie to illiterate white wingers. Hoyt Mar 2014 #1
I read it in high school Hoyt. sheshe2 Mar 2014 #4
I think it was my first quarter in college. I was lucky to get a very liberal sociology professor. Hoyt Mar 2014 #9
Exactly, I read it in Jr. High or High School and still remember some scenes flamingdem Mar 2014 #24
Also see ... ananda Mar 2014 #2
Thanks for the link, ananda. sheshe2 Mar 2014 #6
We'll all be glad to know that a reviewer named 'Cindy', who appears to be white, Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #11
I was just thinking that some of those same folks( or their new forms ) lunasun Mar 2014 #19
Here's Cindy, telling us how things are now: Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #20
well you know if she doesn't feel it then it does not exist no matter how many say it does lunasun Mar 2014 #22
Yep. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #23
well, if Cindy does not "feel it" clearly it does not exist noiretextatique Mar 2014 #37
I read that book (Black Like Me) long ago - very moving. northoftheborder Mar 2014 #3
That was one hell of an odyssey. LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #5
I keep hearing here that discussing this stuff is alienating and divisive. Great book, one of bettyellen Mar 2014 #7
My brother read the book in 1959 and talked with my sister and me about it. The book was powerful jwirr Mar 2014 #8
Slightly later timeline, exact same result. Powerful book. I later taught "Black Literature" in h.s WinkyDink Mar 2014 #17
I was in high school when I read it, perhaps 1965 or '66. In looking back, what's interesting ... Scuba Mar 2014 #10
Thanks for the further details. I was unaware of his continuing after the experiment. Obviously the freshwest Mar 2014 #12
It's denial, racism or both. sheshe2 Mar 2014 #14
K&R Solly Mack Mar 2014 #13
I read it in high school in the 60s. Mr.Bill Mar 2014 #15
Back then madamesilverspurs Mar 2014 #16
They were indeed, madamesilverspurs. sheshe2 Mar 2014 #18
He spoke at my High School... PCIntern Mar 2014 #21
i read it very young. stayed with me. bought for my oldest at 8 seabeyond Mar 2014 #25
You are welcome, sea. sheshe2 Mar 2014 #27
I had to read this in high school around 1971 or 72: babylonsister Mar 2014 #26
So that's where "babylonsister" originated from. :) sheshe2 Mar 2014 #28
An Amazing article Number23 Mar 2014 #29
It is an amazing piece, Number23. sheshe2 Mar 2014 #31
but Cindy does not feel it noiretextatique Mar 2014 #38
.. Cha Mar 2014 #30
I read this during high school or shortly after, but not assigned. xfundy Mar 2014 #32
So grateful for the Progress that has been made in Cha Mar 2014 #34
My sister had a teacher who read parts in a class, she wanted to read the book and the library would AnotherDreamWeaver Mar 2014 #33
"Most Americans saw civil rights as a “Southern problem,” " Behind the Aegis Mar 2014 #35
No it is not an anomaly. sheshe2 Mar 2014 #36
That book fascinated me malaise Mar 2014 #39
Me too malaise. nt sheshe2 Mar 2014 #41
Read it in the 8th Grade . . . markpkessinger Mar 2014 #40
kick mstinamotorcity2 Mar 2014 #42
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
9. I think it was my first quarter in college. I was lucky to get a very liberal sociology professor.
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 09:10 PM
Mar 2014

It is one of those books that is impossible to put down.

flamingdem

(39,308 posts)
24. Exactly, I read it in Jr. High or High School and still remember some scenes
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 11:22 PM
Mar 2014

It was perfect for its time.

ananda

(28,837 posts)
2. Also see ...
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 09:00 PM
Mar 2014

... Man in the Mirror: John Howard Griffin and the Story of Black Like Me

This is a very fine book about Griffin and the whole experience.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/51937.Man_in_the_Mirror?from_search=true

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
11. We'll all be glad to know that a reviewer named 'Cindy', who appears to be white,
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 09:13 PM
Mar 2014

has decided that racism is over. So, let's all give thanks.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
19. I was just thinking that some of those same folks( or their new forms )
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 09:59 PM
Mar 2014

who didn't believe it back then will

now say that it is gone and not now that was the past
ugh.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
20. Here's Cindy, telling us how things are now:
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 10:03 PM
Mar 2014

Notice she gave it two out of five stars.



Cindy's review Apr 29, 09
2 of 5 stars
Read in February, 2009

Couldn't find the exact cover of the one that I read. My copy is very old and very dogeared. Looks like more people have it on thier to-read shelves than have actually read it. In fact it is an old paperback with the actual price of 60 cents as selling price. I have a hard time seeing skin color on people. I know that prejudice is really felt by people, especially in the era of this book. But i just don't feel it.


Thankfully, she doesn't feel it.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
22. well you know if she doesn't feel it then it does not exist no matter how many say it does
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 10:11 PM
Mar 2014

she is legion


northoftheborder

(7,569 posts)
3. I read that book (Black Like Me) long ago - very moving.
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 09:00 PM
Mar 2014

I would like to read the story about the book......

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
7. I keep hearing here that discussing this stuff is alienating and divisive. Great book, one of
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 09:05 PM
Mar 2014

the first I ever read actually.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
8. My brother read the book in 1959 and talked with my sister and me about it. The book was powerful
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 09:08 PM
Mar 2014

and to this day I credit it with being one of the things that influenced my attitude toward the civil rights movement.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
17. Slightly later timeline, exact same result. Powerful book. I later taught "Black Literature" in h.s
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 09:48 PM
Mar 2014
 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
10. I was in high school when I read it, perhaps 1965 or '66. In looking back, what's interesting ...
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 09:12 PM
Mar 2014

... is my recollection of a collective condemnation of racism in my rural Wisconsin community. I had never seen a black person, except on television. Almost everyone in my school was of Norwegian descent, blonde, blue-eyed, fair-skinned. There were no Hispanics, no Asians, no Blacks, no NA's. But every teacher - every adult I knew - said that racism was a bad thing, that everyone should be treated equally. I'm sure there were some who were secretly racist. But anyone showing it would have been condemned.

Today rural Wisconsin is much different. Blatant racism is commonplace, even among those who were taught the same lessons as I. After some thought, I've concluded that right-wing radio and Fox "News" are responsible for most of this.

Anyway, I appreciate Griffin and has book, and recommend it for those who have not read it.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
12. Thanks for the further details. I was unaware of his continuing after the experiment. Obviously the
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 09:15 PM
Mar 2014

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KKK really hated to hear the truth come out.

My family explained a great deal to me as I was growing up when I asked them. Some things I heard and didn't want to believe, but they assured me that the worst I heard was mild compared to the truth.

How anyone can deny the series of psychic earthquakes blacks have endured in this nation is hard for me to get a hold of even after all this time.

I could elaborate on that here, but I'll wait til I post a thread. I have a few planned.

sheshe2

(83,668 posts)
14. It's denial, racism or both.
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 09:32 PM
Mar 2014

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UR welcome freshwest.

I look forward to your OP's.

madamesilverspurs

(15,799 posts)
16. Back then
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 09:44 PM
Mar 2014

I read Black Like Me and The Diary of Anne Frank within a few months of each other.

Eye-opening. Also heart-opening.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
25. i read it very young. stayed with me. bought for my oldest at 8
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 11:52 PM
Mar 2014

advanced reader and my other son read it about 10'ish. an excellent book. thanks for the OP.

sheshe2

(83,668 posts)
27. You are welcome, sea.
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 11:59 PM
Mar 2014

Yup, stuck with me too. So glad you passed it on to your boys, it was indeed excellent.

babylonsister

(171,036 posts)
26. I had to read this in high school around 1971 or 72:
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 11:58 PM
Mar 2014

that's remarkable in itself, Babylon, LI, NY. About 40 black people in the whole school, grades 7-12. (I actually have no idea how many black people there were, but not a lot). I'm grateful, and need to re-read the original and this. Thanks!

sheshe2

(83,668 posts)
28. So that's where "babylonsister" originated from. :)
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 12:15 AM
Mar 2014

I was in HS then too. It wasn't required reading for me but picked it up on my own. My mom was/is a voracious reader, therefore so were we.

Well you topped me, I was from a small town in Mass and we only had one black woman in school.

UR Welcome!

Number23

(24,544 posts)
29. An Amazing article
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 12:33 AM
Mar 2014
Stepping outside, Griffin began his “personal nightmare.” Whites avoided or scorned him. Applying for menial jobs, he met the ritual rudeness of Jim Crow. “We don’t want you people,” a foreman told him. “Don’t you understand that?” Threatened by strangers, followed by thugs, he heard again and again the racial slur for which he had been slapped as a boy. That word, he wrote, “leaps out with electric clarity. You always hear it, and always it stings.”

Carrying just $200 in traveler’s checks, Griffin took a bus to Hattiesburg, Mississippi, where a recent lynching had spread fear through the alleys and streets. Griffin holed up in a rented room and wrote of his overwhelming sense of alienation: “Hell could be no more lonely or hopeless.” He sought respite at a white friend’s home before resuming his experiment—“zigzagging,” he would call it, between two worlds. Sometimes passing whites offered him rides; he did not feel he could refuse. Astonished, he soon found many of them simply wanted to pepper him with questions about “Negro” sex life or make lurid boasts from “the swamps of their fantasy lives.” Griffin patiently disputed their stereotypes and noted their amazement that this Negro could “talk intelligently!” Yet nothing gnawed at Griffin so much as “the hate stare,” venomous glares that left him “sick at heart before such unmasked hatred.

He roamed the South from Alabama to Atlanta, often staying with black families who took him in. He glimpsed black rage and self-loathing, as when a fellow bus passenger told him: “I hate us.” Whites repeatedly insisted blacks were “happy.” A few whites treated him with decency, including one who apologized for “the bad manners of my people.” After a month, Griffin could stand no more. “A little thing”—a near-fight when blacks refused to give up their seats to white women on a bus—sent Griffin scurrying into a “colored” restroom, where he scrubbed his fading skin until he could “pass” for white. He then took refuge in a monastery.


This entire piece is amazing. I hope you keep posting things like this in this forum.

One of the most frustrating, tragic and nauseating tenets of American history is the tendency for the voices of people of color to go unheard until a white person says the same thing. Apparently it is too "alien" for people of color to speak for ourselves, we need to "translated" to be made more palatable to white audiences.

Hollywood has a well-documented history of bolstering this tendency as movies ('The Help' and too many others to name) show. The discomfort that Griffin felt being the "voice of Black America" when he wasn't black seems very real to me.

sheshe2

(83,668 posts)
31. It is an amazing piece, Number23.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 12:52 AM
Mar 2014

And...

One of the most frustrating, tragic and nauseating tenets of American history is the tendency for the voices of people of color to go unheard until a white person says the same thing. Apparently it is too "alien" for people of color to speak for ourselves, we need to "translated" to be made more palatable to white audiences.


That is sad and it is why I would never presume to know what it feels like. I can only empathize. That is why I highlighted

Black Like Me, said activist Stokely Carmichael (Kwame Ture), “is an excellent book—for whites.” Griffin agreed; he eventually curtailed his lecturing on the book, finding it “absurd for a white man to presume to speak for black people when they have superlative voices of their own.

Thank you for posting more of the poigant story. So hard to try to tell it in only four paragraphs.

I will indeed keep posting things like this one, Number23.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
38. but Cindy does not feel it
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 04:50 PM
Mar 2014

Racism, that is see posts above for Cindy's thoughtful analysis. I have told this story before, but here it goes again. In a grad school creativity class, I posted a poem titled "never trust the white man," which was something my blond haired, grey eyed great grandmother used to say. The poem was about her life, and why she clung to the drop of African blood in her makeup. The poem told the story of her life...we believe she and her brother were the orphaned children of slaveowners who were adopted by enslaved people. Anyhoo...to make a long story short, I got attacked by my fellow classmates for posting about her life. They did not want to hear about the white mob who forced my great grandparents to leave town in the middle of the night. They felt "offended" by my family's real life experiences. A friend told me: they are not used to hearing us, or our stories. She was right.

xfundy

(5,105 posts)
32. I read this during high school or shortly after, but not assigned.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 01:55 AM
Mar 2014

Also read Anne Frank's diary, also unassigned, just because I'd heard of both, and could get the paperbacks cheap at a used bookstore. Learned from both and more, even as I was hiding my "homosexual" identity. There were some parallels, but that wasn't why I read. I learned of the concept of inequality and much later found that it applied to me as well, though I'd always assumed that "we" would never be able to be open, much less accepted.

Still shocked that marriage equality is on the table in my lifetime. Shocked and grateful for those who dared to stand up and speak out in times where they risked their lives to do so.

To those who claim that this civil rights battle is lesser than the major civil rights battle of the 60s, no, we stood up to the same crowd, the same slurs, the same idiotic "everybody knows" statements among those we fought, as well as those who hid behind the bible to deny us our basic humanity.

AnotherDreamWeaver

(2,849 posts)
33. My sister had a teacher who read parts in a class, she wanted to read the book and the library would
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 01:59 AM
Mar 2014

not let her check it out without my parents permission. Because it needed parent approval I checked it out too, just to see what it was about. I think I was in Junior High at the time. Very educational. (California here.)

Behind the Aegis

(53,921 posts)
35. "Most Americans saw civil rights as a “Southern problem,” "
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 02:06 AM
Mar 2014

Slightly altered, it still holds true today in regards to racism in general. People think racism is a "Southern problem," and it isn't, it is systemic and countrywide. Most racism is just under the skin, but it is still virulent. Too many think that because it "isn't in your face", that racism is a thing of the past or not an insidious problem. When blatant 'in your face' racism does occur, it is written off as an anomaly...it isn't!

I also recommend "Native Son" by Richard Wright.

sheshe2

(83,668 posts)
36. No it is not an anomaly.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 03:26 AM
Mar 2014

Trayvon and Jordan are perfect examples of 'in your face' racism. The fact that Zimmerman was defended here at DU is proof of what you say. It's not a Southern problem. It is widespread.

It has been well over 30 years since I read Native Son. I think it is time to read it again.

Thank you, Behind the Aegis.

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