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Mon Dec 19, 2011, 11:20 PM

Is this the worse gerrymandering map in history?

(tks to Demconwatchblog.com for the link)

I didn't think that this was possible anymore but this is the proposed map for CD in PA

http://blog.pjvoice.com/diary/1669/the-breathtakingly-brazen-pennsylvania-congressional-redistricting-plan





they don't even bother having the extended sections touch each other:


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Ain't 'democracy' grand?

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grantcart Dec 2011 OP
valerief Dec 2011 #1
Marie Marie Dec 2011 #2
duhneece Dec 2011 #16
DCKit Dec 2011 #3
TheWraith Dec 2011 #8
Ferret Annica Dec 2011 #4
lonestarnot Dec 2011 #5
Nye Bevan Dec 2011 #6
TheWraith Dec 2011 #7
RB TexLa Dec 2011 #9
DCKit Dec 2011 #13
joshcryer Dec 2011 #14
RB TexLa Dec 2011 #18
BOHICA12 Dec 2011 #10
Lugnut Dec 2011 #11
BzaDem Dec 2011 #12
SixthSense Dec 2011 #15
spanone Dec 2011 #17

Response to grantcart (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2011, 11:23 PM

1. What's democracy? Oh, yeah, it's a buzzword that means buy stuff and die young. nt

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2011, 11:26 PM

2. When you can't win fair and square then,

Lie (Fox news), Cheat (Gerrymander the shit out of your state) and Steal (Electronic Voting Machines). This is why I still worry about which Republican Clown will be their nominee.

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Response to Marie Marie (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 20, 2011, 09:23 AM

16. I like the way you link lies to Fox, cheating to gerrymandering

and stealing to the electronic voting machines that have no way to audit questionable election results (unlike NM's voter-verified paper ballots that are electronically counted but are available for auditing).

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2011, 11:31 PM

3. Must be a real pain in the ass to campaign in a district that's only 100 feet wide...

 

but two hundred and fifty miles long.

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Response to DCKit (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 20, 2011, 12:23 AM

8. It is. Believe me, I know.

I was highly involved in both of the last two State Senate campaigns in my district. 15 miles wide, and 120 or so long.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2011, 11:43 PM

4. Gerrymandering should be expressly illegal and qualifies as a cheat to defeat democracy

 

this proposal is an insult to people's intelligence and is a raw power grab that should be stopped.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2011, 11:45 PM

5. Couple this bullshit with some vote flipping and woohoo pugs only way to win, that is cheat.

 

They'll cheat one out of their eye-teeth if one lets them.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2011, 11:57 PM

6. Boundaries should be strictly non-partisan

based only upon natural community borders. That's how the UK does it and it seems to work pretty well there.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Dec 20, 2011, 12:20 AM

7. Unfortunately, no. Take a look at New York's current map.

Both House and State Senate. I live in a State Senate district which starts on the shores of Lake Erie, and ends up in the Finger Lakes. It's 15 miles wide and 120 miles long. I kid you not.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Dec 20, 2011, 12:30 AM

9. Doesn't compare

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 20, 2011, 03:59 AM

13. You win. That is beyond anything they could possibly explain. nt

 

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 20, 2011, 04:05 AM

14. Treasonous.

Yes, I know the Democrats do shit like that if they can, but this shit is fucking evil.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 21, 2011, 12:17 AM

18. It was a creature created by law. Voting rights act required

a second "minority-majority" district. And with 7 districts that was the only way to draw one up.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Dec 20, 2011, 12:44 AM

10. But if you stop Gerrymandering - could you maintain minority districts?

 

The Voting Rights Act nearly ensures the use of Gerrymandering.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Dec 20, 2011, 02:02 AM

11. Isn't that ridiculous?

The editor of our local fish wrapper called it preposterous.


"Republican lawmakers in Harrisburg have redrawn congressional districts in direct defiance of fundamental principles of fair redistricting. Their objective is not to ensure that districts encompass communities of interest. It's not to make sure that communities within districts are contiguous. Their objective is simply to ensure that as many Republicans as possible win congressional seats.

Due to blatant gerrymandering such as that unveiled Tuesday, many members of Congress never have to worry about a competitive election. That, in turn, enables them to govern solely on the basis of narrow ideology rather than for the public good, and to serve narrow interests rather than the broad public interest.

After refusing for years to establish a truly independent redistricting system, the GOP majorities in Harrisburg proceeded to abuse their power with a congressional map that, quite literally, resembles a can of worms - or snakes."



Read more: http://standardspeaker.com/opinion/new-districts-preposterous-1.1245244#ixzz1h3WPoMUQ

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Dec 20, 2011, 02:04 AM

12. Not even close. There are maps that use a median on a highway to connect two otherwise completely

disconnected segments.

In fact, there are maps that put two entirely disconnected segments in the same district, using the justification that both segments touch the same body of water (and therefore it is really "one segment," as long as you pretend that part of the water is part of the district.)

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Dec 20, 2011, 06:36 AM

15. I used to live in NY-8

 

Try to explain the logic behind this one:



West side of Manhattan plus... a random oddly shaped part of Brooklyn? Why? They are neither physically contiguous nor even in the same county!

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Dec 20, 2011, 09:26 AM

17. tennessee 7th district...marsha blackburn

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