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cinnabonbon

(860 posts)
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 01:38 PM Feb 2014

Whites, Blacks, and Apes in the Great Chain of Being

The predominant colonial theory of race was the great chain of being, the idea that human races could be lined up from most superior to most inferior. That is, God, white people, and then an arrangement of non-white people, with blacks at the bottom.


The theorization of the great chain of being was not just for “science” or “fun.” It was a central tool in justifying efforts to colonize, enslave, and even exterminate people. If it could be established that certain kinds of people were indeed less than, even less than human, then it was acceptable to treat them as such.

This is a “generalizable tactic of oppression,” by the way. During the period of intense anti-Irish sentiment in the U.S. and Britain, the Irish were routinely compared to apes as well.

Connections have been drawn between black people and primates for hundreds of years.
Whatever else you want to think about modern instances of this association – the one Wade and her child are suffering now, but also the Obama sock monkey, the Black Lil’ Monkey doll, and a political cartoon targeting Obama – objections are not just paranoia.


from: http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2012/07/12/whites-blacks-apes-in-the-great-chain-of-being/
http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2011/01/28/irish-apes-tactics-of-de-humanization/

This thread is not to say that humans aren't a part of the "ape family"/hominids. However, calling (and comparing!) certain parts of the human race to apes has very negative historical associations linked to it, and we should all be aware of what we're doing when we're flirting with racist and classist stereotypes.
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Whites, Blacks, and Apes in the Great Chain of Being (Original Post) cinnabonbon Feb 2014 OP
The solution is to acknowledge that we are all equally apes. Shivering Jemmy Feb 2014 #1
Or call the whole thing "hominids" cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #2
If you like Shivering Jemmy Feb 2014 #3
I wouldn't be opposed to that at all. cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #4
This is a very sensitive matter. dawg Feb 2014 #5
That is all true. cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #6
Well there is some neanderthal and devosonian in the hopper also AngryAmish Feb 2014 #7
About that third hominid .... dawg Feb 2014 #8
... cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #12
using pseudoscience to justify racism is no different BainsBane Feb 2014 #9
a lot of overlap in the two, yes. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #11
and we are talking about people who use the free speech dodge to say bettyellen Feb 2014 #15
du rec Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #10
The "Great Chain" was introduced by Alexander Pope "An Essay on Man". Race Not Involved In It! TheBlackAdder Feb 2014 #13
Thank you for the clarification cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #14

dawg

(10,622 posts)
5. This is a very sensitive matter.
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 01:58 PM
Feb 2014

Humans went through a severe population bottleneck around 75,000 years ago. We are *all* descended from a small population of survivors. We are all African. As a species, we have very little genetic diversity.

Because all whites and asians are descended from a relatively small number of individuals, perhaps only one or two bands who wandered away from the continent shortly after the bottleneck event, what little variation we do have as a species exists primarily among the descendants of those who remained in Africa.

Because of this, one African person can be much more genetically different from another African person than they are from me, despite my pale skin.

cinnabonbon

(860 posts)
6. That is all true.
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 02:36 PM
Feb 2014

It looks to me that when people try to create a distance between White and Other, it is only based on cultural things, not actual science. If we used science properly, we would see that we're all human beings, despite small differences on the outside.

In any case, if a certain group has been called ape in a demeaning way, I can understand them refusing to accept the term if it's forced on them. It's dehumanizing.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
7. Well there is some neanderthal and devosonian in the hopper also
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 03:11 PM
Feb 2014

Plus a third hominid that we know nothing about.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
15. and we are talking about people who use the free speech dodge to say
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 04:46 PM
Feb 2014

c$@t and b*$#h, but would not dare using racial slurs. They know better than to try that "free speech" "words don't hurt bullshit" in a racist way here. It's a game to see how much privilege they have left here.

TheBlackAdder

(28,181 posts)
13. The "Great Chain" was introduced by Alexander Pope "An Essay on Man". Race Not Involved In It!
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 03:41 PM
Feb 2014

.

Alexander Pope's "An Essay on Man" introduced the concept of the "Great Chain" where man is just link in a chain that can be broken by the extermination of one of the other living chains. If another species is killed off, the chain will break causing all other forms to perish--as they are all dependent on each other. God and angles are above, lesser animals are below.

There is no mention of race in the original "Great Chain".

Any use of the concept of this chain, it a perversion of the author's original intent and steals his idea for perverted purposes.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Essay_on_Man

cinnabonbon

(860 posts)
14. Thank you for the clarification
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 03:46 PM
Feb 2014

I am afraid that it was perverted to serve an agenda, just like you said. It is not the first scientific discovery to have been abused in this way to further a racist agenda, but it's just as galling whenever it happens.

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