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Sun Feb 9, 2014, 08:38 PM

 

Left bashing, hippie punching and red-baiting is ok it seems

as long as one gives even the faintest of praise to Obama, Hillary or others politicians that want to hold their hands out to Republicans to get spit on and slapped away, its fair game to kick, discredit, attack, and spread propaganda against anyone who actually supports Democratic policies and ideas.


When the hell did droning people, ignoring Bush's war crimes, and supporting for profit charter schools and banksters criminal activity become "Democratic" ideals?

Something is very wrong

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Reply Left bashing, hippie punching and red-baiting is ok it seems (Original post)
frwrfpos Feb 2014 OP
cantbeserious Feb 2014 #1
Enthusiast Feb 2014 #5
reddread Feb 2014 #9
Recursion Feb 2014 #95
Enthusiast Feb 2014 #129
frwrfpos Feb 2014 #10
Rex Feb 2014 #2
Scuba Feb 2014 #3
Enthusiast Feb 2014 #8
frwrfpos Feb 2014 #11
LWolf Feb 2014 #140
Enthusiast Feb 2014 #4
frwrfpos Feb 2014 #12
Enthusiast Feb 2014 #13
reddread Feb 2014 #6
frwrfpos Feb 2014 #7
RichGirl Feb 2014 #14
reddread Feb 2014 #17
gLibDem Feb 2014 #15
SidDithers Feb 2014 #57
uppityperson Feb 2014 #62
SidDithers Feb 2014 #64
uppityperson Feb 2014 #67
Post removed Feb 2014 #73
SidDithers Feb 2014 #74
NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #80
TheMathieu Feb 2014 #16
Demeter Feb 2014 #19
Cha Feb 2014 #115
frwrfpos Feb 2014 #21
Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #44
joshcryer Feb 2014 #55
Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #61
red dog 1 Feb 2014 #94
sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #87
Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #18
Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #20
Cha Feb 2014 #120
snooper2 Feb 2014 #22
Cha Feb 2014 #121
Coyotl Feb 2014 #23
frwrfpos Feb 2014 #24
Coyotl Feb 2014 #36
frwrfpos Feb 2014 #39
Coyotl Feb 2014 #41
frwrfpos Feb 2014 #49
Coyotl Feb 2014 #51
Adrahil Feb 2014 #81
Coyotl Feb 2014 #111
Adrahil Feb 2014 #131
Cha Feb 2014 #119
Cha Feb 2014 #117
dionysus Feb 2014 #100
MisterP Feb 2014 #25
frwrfpos Feb 2014 #26
Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #47
JI7 Feb 2014 #27
arthritisR_US Feb 2014 #28
Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #29
frwrfpos Feb 2014 #30
MisterP Feb 2014 #34
marble falls Feb 2014 #31
frwrfpos Feb 2014 #32
Warpy Feb 2014 #33
dreamnightwind Feb 2014 #88
Warpy Feb 2014 #92
dreamnightwind Feb 2014 #110
giftedgirl77 Feb 2014 #35
frwrfpos Feb 2014 #37
giftedgirl77 Feb 2014 #40
frwrfpos Feb 2014 #42
DeSwiss Feb 2014 #48
Coyotl Feb 2014 #38
giftedgirl77 Feb 2014 #43
Cha Feb 2014 #118
giftedgirl77 Feb 2014 #123
Cha Feb 2014 #126
DeSwiss Feb 2014 #45
alcibiades_mystery Feb 2014 #46
frwrfpos Feb 2014 #50
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joshcryer Feb 2014 #52
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joshcryer Feb 2014 #72
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joshcryer Feb 2014 #79
delrem Feb 2014 #83
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joshcryer Feb 2014 #91
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delrem Feb 2014 #96
delrem Feb 2014 #98
joshcryer Feb 2014 #108
joshcryer Feb 2014 #101
delrem Feb 2014 #104
joshcryer Feb 2014 #105
delrem Feb 2014 #107
joshcryer Feb 2014 #109
delrem Feb 2014 #113
joshcryer Feb 2014 #114
delrem Feb 2014 #125
alcibiades_mystery Feb 2014 #78
Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #90
creeksneakers2 Feb 2014 #56
blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #58
Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #65
SidDithers Feb 2014 #59
MNBrewer Feb 2014 #60
Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #63
Cha Feb 2014 #122
Whisp Feb 2014 #68
SidDithers Feb 2014 #69
freshwest Feb 2014 #84
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Cha Feb 2014 #124
Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #70
struggle4progress Feb 2014 #71
TBF Feb 2014 #133
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struggle4progress Feb 2014 #139
TBF Feb 2014 #142
countryjake Feb 2014 #138
hrmjustin Feb 2014 #76
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dionysus Feb 2014 #99
Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #102
lob1 Feb 2014 #127
JI7 Feb 2014 #128
Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #146
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QC Feb 2014 #141
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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 08:40 PM

1. All Changed When The Democratic Party Sold Out To The Corporations

eom

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 08:51 PM

5. And this mostly happened in the 1990s with the creation of the DLC.

Right?

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #5)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 08:54 PM

9. capped off with 2000/2001

 

New world order, American style!

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:22 AM

95. The DLC was created in 1985 by, among others, Bill Clinton and Al Gore

It was young southern Democrats who felt they were being shut out of the party and that we had to stop nominating people like Mondale.

On the plus side, Jesse Jackson's reaction to the DLC had a lot to do with his excellent primary performance in 1988.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #95)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 07:28 AM

129. Thanks..........nt

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 09:01 PM

10. yep

 

its been a long time since we've had a real left in this country

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 08:42 PM

2. This has been posted year after year after year by someone.

 

It seems to be okay everywhere. Not just on DU.

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 08:44 PM

3. They keep forgetting that ...

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 08:54 PM

8. So they must discredit us because they want to continue with their malfeasance.

It's pretty simple actually.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 09:06 PM

11. perfect vid

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 09:34 AM

140. I play this periodically,

whenever I feel particularly marginalized.

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 08:50 PM

4. This nation is clear off the tracks.

Last edited Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:32 PM - Edit history (1)

It's corruption from sea to shining sea.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 09:20 PM

12. yes it is

 

along with electronic voting

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Response to frwrfpos (Reply #12)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 09:22 PM

13. It was created for just such a purpose.

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 08:52 PM

6. and racism

 

you forgot racism.

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Response to reddread (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 08:53 PM

7. thank you

 

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 09:29 PM

14. We need to...

STAND OUR GROUND and kick them in the balls! I'm against killing...but neutering I'm ok with.

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Response to RichGirl (Reply #14)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 09:34 PM

17. same here, certainly in the cases of serial sex offenders and lying politicians

 

heard Hall and Oates mention you today.

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 09:31 PM

15. Pretty much ever since it became clear that the President was a Conservadim.

 

And Hillary is inevitable so get on board or get out of Dodge, you misogynist.


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Response to gLibDem (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 11:02 PM

57. Wow, seriously?...



Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #57)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 11:09 PM

62. He's dead, Jim

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #62)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 11:12 PM

64. Again...



But being banned over and over and over doesn't seem to matter to some people.

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #64)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 11:14 PM

67. Need to get this out in public...

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Response to Post removed (Reply #73)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 11:33 PM

74. Back again already?...

sorry for being such a pain in the ass.



Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #74)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 11:46 PM

80. A pity the fool....

 

Touché, Sid. Touché!

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 09:33 PM

16. Because putting up with all the vitriol directed at the Obamas and Clintons from the right

 

wears one thin and makes it harder to tolerate from supposed allies.

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Response to TheMathieu (Reply #16)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 09:36 PM

19. The "vitriol" is well-earned on the blood of dead Americans alone

 

Even more so, if one counts the non-American blood shed by these leaders to engorge the Corporations.

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Response to Demeter (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 03:45 AM

115. NO the vitriol isn't well earned .. it gets down dirty and ugly on the this board.. so much so

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that it righteously gets HIDEs.

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Response to TheMathieu (Reply #16)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 09:37 PM

21. Obama and Clintons policies ARE on the right

 

Im not an ally with those that support politicians such as Obama and Clinton that go along with right wing republican policies such as the TPP and Keystone pipeline

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Response to TheMathieu (Reply #16)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:30 PM

44. They're not allies, they are servants. A concept being removed from discussions. n/t

 

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Response to TheMathieu (Reply #16)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 11:00 PM

55. I tolerate it really

mainly because the detractors lack substance, they amuse me

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Response to TheMathieu (Reply #16)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 11:09 PM

61. Many aren't allies, although they want to be viewed as such

 

They're actually conservatives/libertarians.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #61)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:18 AM

94. and Dinos....lots of Dinos!

n/t

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Response to TheMathieu (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 12:15 AM

87. Continuing to oppose Right Wing policies is not vitriol. It is consistency.

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 09:35 PM

18. The usual crap when the peons get restless.

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 09:36 PM

20. Oh, the drama.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #20)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 03:56 AM

120. Dramatic Tantrum..

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 09:41 PM

22. you know this is an oldie now but still a goodie!

 

over 81+ million views!





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Response to snooper2 (Reply #22)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 04:02 AM

121. I don't know how I missed that!? Thanks snooper..

I love Imon Crosson/Barack Obama

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 09:43 PM

23. Accept diversity! Divisiveness seems to be the new trend on DU. This is a good example of

 

someone inciting divisiveness.

Open your eyes.



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Response to Coyotl (Reply #23)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 09:47 PM

24. divisiveness comes from this administration

 

reject the right wing propaganda

you post reeks of it

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Response to frwrfpos (Reply #24)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:19 PM

36. There you go again, Dem bashing and tossing in a divisive ad hominen for good measure.

 

Exactly why I had to call you out on this BS.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #36)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:22 PM

39. dem bashing is what this administration does everyday

 

your post solidifies right wing propaganda..keep it up...continue to defend right wing garbage

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Response to frwrfpos (Reply #39)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:25 PM

41. There you go again, Dem bashing and being divisive. Didn't I already point that ouit?

 

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #41)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:46 PM

49. no..point out the right wing love again

 

I missed it. Post again about how Democrats should embrace right wing shit. I missed it the first time

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Response to frwrfpos (Reply #49)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:52 PM

51. There you go again, flame baiting and being divisive. And putting words in my mouth too now.

 

Why are you picking a fight?

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Response to frwrfpos (Reply #39)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 11:47 PM

81. So it seems that anyone who disagrees with you is supporting right wing propaganda?

 

Are you the arbiter of what is acceptable?

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #81)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 02:30 AM

111. No.

 

And no. But, I'm the one who expresses my opinions.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #111)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 08:52 AM

131. Yeah, I blew it.

 

I meant tobe replying to the OTHER. Guy, but fat fingered it. I was replying in support of you. Sorry!

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #81)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 03:55 AM

119. The egotistical arrogance is full blown.

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Response to frwrfpos (Reply #39)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 03:50 AM

117. Your post solidifies Ignorance of the highest order.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #36)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:36 AM

100. +10000

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 09:52 PM

25. the Reaganauts were Dem a lot: Kirkpatrick hated the '72 "antiwar, antigrowth, antibusiness,

antilabor activists" who gave McGovern the nomination and "lost" the election: Scoop Jackson and Moynihan's Coalition for a Democratic Majority was created to crush the party's liberal wing and frankly bring back the Dixiecrats (and supplied a lot of the neocons that've plagued us since the mid-70s)

total control of only one out of two parties has never been enough for these rich bastards (and goes well with the right-liberts the fundies and Hunts invented)

http://americablog.com/2010/08/koch-industries-gave-funding-to-the-dlc-and-served-on-its-executive-council.html

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Response to MisterP (Reply #25)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 09:54 PM

26. has a lot to do with it

 

good link

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Response to MisterP (Reply #25)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:36 PM

47. The Harlem Globetrotters vs. The Washington Generals, except they take turns being

 

the Globetrotters. When only two teams are allowed to play, buying both ensures it makes no difference who wins.

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 09:58 PM

27. lame

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:01 PM

28. I don't think it is ok but at the same time I'm not into all the Obama bashing either. nt

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:04 PM

29. Back in the '60s/'70s it was the loyal LBJ/Scoop Jackson Dems that bashed the left.

 

Same song, different singers, today.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #29)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:06 PM

30. im old enough to remember

 

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #29)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:12 PM

34. jinx!

(and note that Kirkpatrick also said the world needed "stability" and "development" before it could be permitted democracy)

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:06 PM

31. K & R

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Response to marble falls (Reply #31)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:07 PM

32. thank you

 

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:09 PM

33. They never did, except among recovering Republicans and home grown Blue Dogs

and most of us who comprise "the left" are quite willing to return the punches, baiting and bashing.

One of my pet hates here is the way Blue Dogs so glibly toss out "the left" as the malcontents to blame for the defeat of conservative Democrats or the inability to get legislation past obstructionist Republicans.

The truth is that the blame belongs to conservatives. It's been long known that people will vote for a real Republican than a Democrat trying to sound like one. It's been long known that Republicans are balking at passing any legislation that would be over and done with in an hour when more sensible people from both parties were in Congress.

"The left" is not enough of a monolith to have accomplished much of anything in the last 35 years. It's a pity, we've been right about all of it.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #33)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 12:23 AM

88. Good post

Small quibble, it's just a point I'd like to make, don't see it represented here much:

"The truth is that the blame belongs to conservatives. It's been long known that people will vote for a real Republican than a Democrat trying to sound like one."

So I think this is a myth. It's long been apparent that people will actually support and vote for a Dem who positions themselves just to the left of the Republican they are running against. It's the slightly better lessor of two evils thing. If people always chose the real Republican rather than a Dem who supports their policies, the whole third way would have collapsed from unelectability.

Sadly, enabled by the "crazy" right-wing, the third way strategy of getting a lot of corporate money, using it to setup a a formidable campaign machine, claim the "center" while punching the left to establish your cred, is often a successful electoral strategy. Fake Republicans running as Dems can and do get elected. Many people think they're doing something a little better by voting for the Dem corporatist rather than for the Republican corporatist, and there's some truth in that.

The problem isn't that it's a failed electoral strategy, the problem is that when these candidates win, they don't represent us, they represent their large campaign donors, the corporations. Ultimately it does our party, and our citizens, great harm. The policies these corporatist Dems get behind taints our party in the eyes of the electorate, they think Dems are the same kind of crooks as Republicans, and perhaps our reps are a little better but the people for the most part have it right, most of our elected Dems are selling us out in the same way the Republicans are, as directed by the oligarchs that support the whole rotten machine.

What we really need to be looking at is how to win elections without corporate money. Running on policies that actually help the average person, speaking truth to power, doing it like Bernie does, that can make up for some of the advantage the better funded corporatists have. We should be exploring mechanisms to help candidates overcome the huge obstacles they face in elections. Money is a powerful thing, but there are other sources of power, such as truth and sincerity. With the internet, there should be ways to amplify and raise awareness about good candidates who are going up against the beast.

Your final statement, about the left's impotence despite being correct on policy, is dead on, and has been for a long time. We only matter when someone wants to blame us. The corporations have created an entire culture of superficial values, consumerism, conformity, glamor, violence, selfishness, and greed. Their media outlets are incredibly powerful in doing so. The left has nothing comparable, left out.

What we do have is a lot of people in pain worried about their future, and we have the truth that our policies are what is needed to address our problems. There's intrinsic power in that. But we have to learn to win elections without corporate money in order to reclaim our party and restore its good name.

Roughly half of Obama's 2008 campaign funds came from small donors. So, when he got into office, did he dance with us, or the corporations? Obviously the corporations. The half of the money coming from small donors was for the most part not aggregated, so as far as leveraging policies from the president, it carried little more weight than the average size of those donations, which was quite small. Besides, as the third way types will tell you in a candid moment, "where are they (the left) going to go?" We'll see the same thing if Hillary is elected. With no credible threat on the left flank, the people are ignored, mostly without consequence for the corporate politician. That's why something like Occupy was so important, and why it was so brutally crushed.

The corporations who wrote huge multi-million dollar checks were the ones Obama listened to (although I think their world-view for the most part aligns with his own). These people have specific legislative agendas their money supports, and they have a direct line to the elected politicians they "bought". One wrong move, and their support vanishes, they'll take their money to the other party, or they'll destroy the politician some other, more immediate way. Small Mom and Pop donors or their proxies in various NGO's aren't even allowed in the room. We get lip service, they (the corporate donors) get legislation.

Is aggregation of small donations the answer? It could help, so long as the aggregator is 100% representing the people rather than some interest of its own. A credible threat of upheaval or revolution would also get their attention. A serious and determined third party on the left would also help. Personally I favor working within the party, possibly using a far-left socialist wing under the Democratic Party tent, whose candidates would be forbidden from taking corporate money. Whatever the answer is, it doesn't involve electing candidates who share and validate the world-view of the corporatists and the Republicans.

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Response to dreamnightwind (Reply #88)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:11 AM

92. In the House turnaround in 2010, who lost?

Blue Dogs took the biggest hit.

While I doubt a Socialist like Bernie Sanders could get elected outside New England, I also know that a man who ran as an unabashed progressive in an ultra red state won the governorship and was re elected four years later. That was Brian Schweitzer.

I honestly don't believe red states are looking for business as usual. It's killing them along with the rest of us.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #92)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 02:18 AM

110. Yes, Blue Dogs got hosed

I don't agree that that proves shows that people will choose a real Republican over a Dem championing their policies every time. I wish it were true, and I think other people wishing it was true is why the meme is so pervasive. But many of the elected Dems are like that precisely because it works, as shown by the vast majority of our elected Democrats being corporate sell-outs. 2010 was odd in many ways, some unique dynamics playing out then, I don't claim to fully understand them.

Frame it like this and see how it feels, if you're being interrogated by two cops, who do you relate to, the good cop or the bad cop? The good cop, of course, and by design. Is the good cop sincere in his/her concern for your welfare? Not particularly, and you can sense that, but the other cop terrifies you beyond imagination, so you choose the good cop despite your reservations about his/her sincerity. That speaks more to our situation than the real/fake Republican/Dem meme IMHO.

From reading your posts over the years I pretty much agree with them, our world-views are similar. Maybe I should have left this alone, I just think it's incorrect that people will always choose the real Republican over a fake Democrat, though I can see how it's a useful idea to promote, we need more real Democrats.

I agree with your last line, we can reach people in any part of the country, crisis is opportunity.

Americans are ready for policies from the left of the spectrum, issue-specific polling backs it up. Socialism as a word has been tarnished by the corporatists, so let's use a different word for the far-left Dem caucus (we have the Progressive caucus, for what it's worth, mostly good people corrupted by a bad system, they spend a lot of their time on the phone calling corporations for campaign donations and the corporatists have little to fear from them).

Wealth redistribution, a functional safety net, reduced militarism, fighting climate change as if our lives depend on it (they do), regulation of corporations, social change (gays and pot for example), good-paying local non-corporate work, most or all of this will play fine in red states. The biggest exceptions are gays, abortion, organized religion, maybe guns. Economically, we're all in the same Titanic, 99% of us anyway.

How we get there, given the corporate capture of the two main political parties, is the question. If good cop/bad cop is all that is on the ballot, we're screwed. It's about the primaries, we have to learn to defeat the party's chosen corporatist with less money and worse organization (nothing helps organization as much as a well-paid staff), and fighting the "unelectable" tag they use as an excuse to support the DINO (we have the polls that show we're not crazy, and as we keep fighting for change while the country keeps going to hell, progressive policies will look better and better). And it's about reaching out to people we have little in common with who are also getting screwed by corporatist policy, because after we win the primary we have to beat the Republican in the general election.

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:15 PM

35. Well you definitly have divisive down...

 

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Response to giftedgirl77 (Reply #35)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:19 PM

37. read my op

 

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Response to frwrfpos (Reply #37)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:23 PM

40. I did, along with all of your silly ass replies throughout

 

this thread. It's just another bullshit flamebait thread about why Obama is sooooo bad & evil with absolutely nothing to back it up.

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Response to giftedgirl77 (Reply #40)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:26 PM

42. glad you wasted time from this planet

 

feel free to ignore the content of my post..waste some more time please

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Response to frwrfpos (Reply #42)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:42 PM

48. Well at least now you know what the ''gift'' is. :-/ n/t

 

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Response to giftedgirl77 (Reply #35)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:20 PM

38. That's the whole idea! No substance at all.

 

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #38)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:27 PM

43. It's obnoxious & childish, it resembles a posting from

 

a thread you would find on yahoo.

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Response to giftedgirl77 (Reply #43)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 03:54 AM

118. It's chocked full of ignorance as well as being childishly obnoxious. Poor little thing

is throwing a tantrum.. right here on DU.



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Response to Cha (Reply #118)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 04:15 AM

123. Well at least he isn't alone in his feet stomping...

 

Apparently whining & bitching is what gets the fan club excited. It's astounding to me that so many OPs that consist of nothing more than the same shit we hear from Fox & the rest of the RW gets so much support.

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Response to giftedgirl77 (Reply #123)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 04:36 AM

126. Right,far from alone.. "hippie punching" lol.. I don't feel punched. :)



If it's Hatin' on Obama you got a guaranteed captive fan club.



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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:33 PM

45. ''Battered-Dem-Syndrome''

 

They don't mean to slander us. To beat us down with their words and deeds, and to always talk mean to us. And I know if we just give them one more chance, love them a little harder and give them just a little more of our blood, they'll come around and see things our way.

- Being a Democratic party leader today means never having to say you're sorry for kicking your own member's asses. It's one of the perks......

K&R

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:36 PM

46. Awesome post, dude! Just what was needed!

 

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #46)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:49 PM

50. feel free to post about how Obama or Hillary Clinton should hold hands with republicans

 

it never gets old.

put in a left bashing rant for good measure.

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Response to frwrfpos (Reply #50)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 11:39 PM

77. January 19, 2014...ROFL

 

I'm sure you won't be racking up those hides again.



"Welcome" to DU, in any case.

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Response to frwrfpos (Reply #50)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 03:49 AM

116. You poor little abused thing.. wahwahwahwahwah...

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:53 PM

52. such a kind, thoughtful, considerate post

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #52)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:55 PM

53. its better that Hillary's support for the Honduran right wing Coup

 

you do remember that, dont you?

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Response to frwrfpos (Reply #53)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:58 PM

54. strawman

you have surely come to defend progressives and fight the tyranny of the third way! divisiveness be dammed!

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #54)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 11:14 PM

66. But you *do* recall HRC's support for the RW Honduran coup,

the US overthrowing democracy in Central America yet again?

It's what would be expected from a Reagan/Goldwater Democrat.

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Response to delrem (Reply #66)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 11:26 PM

72. at most they didn't restore him like last time

But Hillary Clinton definitely condemned it

funny thing is that Zelaya was being used by the USA, just read the cables

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #72)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 11:35 PM

75. You mean she "condemned it".

As with Reagan/Goldwater, there are words and there are "words".

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Response to delrem (Reply #75)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 11:45 PM

79. uh, no, Honduras was banned from OAS

you don't get more clear than that

people were annoyed the USA didn't send in the marines to reinstate Zelaya

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #79)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 11:57 PM

83. You realize that you're discussing this on DU, and not Reagan/Goldwater central?

OAS isn't Hillary Rodham Clinton, that's for damn sure. And it isn't just the US and Canada.
And you betcha the Central/South American people were pissed off at the US and HRC w.r.t. the Honduran coup of 2009.
Following a *long* history of similar complaints of US activity in the US's so-called "backyard".

That's one reason for things such as this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_of_Latin_American_and_Caribbean_States

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Response to delrem (Reply #83)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 12:11 AM

86. The US controls OAS.

I think it's cute that you link CELAC when it was created in direct response to the power the US had over the OAS.

CELAC is an example of a decade-long push for deeper integration within the Americas.[7] CELAC is being created to deepen Latin American integration and to reduce the once overwhelming influence of the United States on the politics and economics of Latin America. It is seen as an alternative to the Organization of American States (OAS), the regional body organised largely by Washington in 1948, ostensibly as a countermeasure to potential Soviet influence in the region.


If OAS, an entity controlled by the US, dumps Honduras over the coup, don't you think that's a pretty clear message that the Obama administration sent?

Again, this is about the US not sending in marines to reinstate Zelaya, nothing more.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #86)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 12:34 AM

89. Just do some reading from a prog perspective on HRC and the Honduran coup, joshcryer.

I can't do that work for you, esp. since you're a "3rd way" type in every instance that I can recall trying to discuss matters with you.
You prefer "3rd way" and HRC type Republican Lite politics, fine -- but don't pretend that HRC wasn't anything but an enabler of the Honduran coup of '09.

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Response to delrem (Reply #89)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 12:44 AM

91. No I'm not.

You just characterize and insult me nastily on every single topic you ever care to respond to me on. Acting like I am some ignorant fool who needs to be educated, not even trying to be considerate.

HRC didn't enable anything beyond saving Zelaya's ass when he was about to be taken out and drawn and quartered by Inestroza (of course, the asshole Zelaya was, he claimed the US was responsible for his illegal get away; I say get away because had he stayed in Honduras to face charges, then he would have likely went to jail).

Read the damn wikileaks cables, Zelaya was "our man" in Latin America.

And try next time to have less than 80% of your post insulting me and making shit personal, OK?

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #91)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:14 AM

93. "Our man"

Let's see, where have I heard that before? Saddam, Noriega, actually a very long list. They're our man until they're not, then they're road kill.

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Response to dreamnightwind (Reply #93)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:31 AM

97. Yep.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #91)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:27 AM

96. HRC supported the Honduran coup dictatorship. If you support HRC on Honduras '09, then own it.

And yes, joshcryer, HRC is total DLC third-way.

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Response to delrem (Reply #96)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:34 AM

98. Here's a random article on the issue:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/hillary-clintons-two-fore_1_b_3714765.html

"...
Secretary Clinton, in the press conference the day after the coup, "Remarks at the Top of the Daily Press Briefing", refused to commit the United States to restoration of the democratically elected President of Honduras. She refused even to commit the U.S. to using the enormous leverage it had over the Honduran Government to bring that about. Here was the relevant Q&A:

Mary Beth Sheridan. QUESTION: Madam Secretary, sorry, if I could just return for a second to Honduras, just to clarify Arshad's point - so, I mean, the U.S. provides aid both under the Foreign Assistance Act and the Millennium challenge. So even though there are triggers in those; that countries have to behave - not have coups, you're not going to cut off that aid?

SECRETARY CLINTON: Well, Mary Beth, we're assessing what the final outcome of these actions will be. This has been a fast-moving set of circumstances over the last several days, and we're looking at that question now. Much of our assistance is conditioned on the integrity of the democratic system. But if we were able to get to a status quo that returned to the rule of law and constitutional order within a relatively short period of time, I think that would be a good outcome. So we're looking at all of this. We're considering the implications of it. But our priority is to try to work with our partners in restoring the constitutional order in Honduras.

QUESTION: And does that mean returning Zelaya himself? You would insist on that in order to -

SECRETARY CLINTON: We are working with our partners.

She refused to answer the question, even though Zelaya had been an ally of the U.S., a progressive democrat. (Though Republicans decried Zelaya for pushing land-reform, the fact is that Honduras is virtually owned by two dozen families, and drastically needs to drag itself out of its feudal system. Doing that isn't anti-American; it's pro-American. It's what Zelaya was trying to do, peacefully and democratically. Our nation's Founders fought a Revolution to overthrow feudalism - British - in our own country. Hillary was thus being anti-American, not just anti-democratic, here.) This is stunning. The U.S had even been outright bombed by fascists, on the "day that will live in infamy," December 7, 1941; and, then, we spilled lots of blood to beat those fascists in WWII. What was that war all about, if not about opposing fascism and fascists, and standing up for democracy and democrats? A peaceful democratic U.S. ally had now been overthrown by a fascist coup in Honduras, and yet Hillary Clinton's response was - noncommittal?
..."

And so on.

Hillary Rodham Clinton and her husband Bill are total DLC third-way corporatists.
They have the big-money corporatist backing that they do because they're both totally owned.

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Response to delrem (Reply #98)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:57 AM

108. So you would've supported Zelaya's return by armed force?

The US descends upon Honduras to return the guy that they'd just saved from prosecution if not death?

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Response to delrem (Reply #96)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:36 AM

101. I do not support it.

I do not support that the US flew Zelaya out of there using our own military base to keep him safe.

I do not support that Honduras was withdrawn from OAS because the US were instrumental in the ouster, when instead he should've gone to jail and been tried.

I do not support extortion to get back into OAS for amnesty for Zelaya.

Neither Zelaya or the US acted properly in that situation, the US should not have protected him, and he should not have been able to return with amnesty for his crimes so that an entire country could get back on a strong footing.

Now we got Zelaya looking primed to take power again, and he'll be right there, just as the wikileaks cable showed, doing whatever we tell him to do.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #101)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:51 AM

104. You blame Zelaya! In order to exhonerate HRC? sheeeeit.

Unfuckingbelievable.

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Response to delrem (Reply #104)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:53 AM

105. I blame both.

I think that was pretty clear.

What, you don't think Zelaya was about to face charges and armed mobs if he didn't get out of dodge? You should read up on the coup then.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #105)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:55 AM

107. As I said: UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE

End "discussion".

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Response to delrem (Reply #107)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:58 AM

109. I've concluded you are ignorant on this subject.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #109)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 02:53 AM

113. Here, some remedial reading:

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Response to delrem (Reply #113)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 03:37 AM

114. Thanks, but I have a brain.

I can analyze the situation without someone telling me how I should treat it. Zelaya is a crook and he tried to take over Honduras by constitutionally illegal Referendum. Had the US not rescued him he would've been tried and convicted on the charges. Assuming the mobs didn't get to him first.

Too many brain dead commentators just think "Zelaya is against the US, Zelaya good." Of course, they don't read the cables where Zelaya was going to get the US into other Latin American trade zones. It's too convenient to overlook that fact.

You lack credibility on this issue.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #114)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 04:33 AM

125. Every wannabe Lanny Davis has "a brain (sic)".

Not many species of animals don't. The question is, how you use it: and I can't tell a difference between your so-called arguments and Lanny Davis's on the same topic, and Lanny Davis's arguments only fly when he couples them with big money donations from fascist donors eager to use him as middle-man. Like the fascist donors who paid him to promote their little putsch in Honduras, 2009.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #52)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 11:42 PM

78. Please, joshcryer...be kind to our new friend...he or she has only been here three weeks or so

 

It's hard when you've absolutely never ever been in a community, like, ever ever before and you're just getting used to those, y'know, community standards?

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #78)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 12:34 AM

90. Well....

He does seem to have some "familiarity" with the senseless trash talk.

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 11:02 PM

56. Another persecution fantasy thread

After all, if you're persecuted, that makes you heroic. Doesn't it?

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 11:03 PM

58. Cannot overlook the strong possibility that sock puppets are being PAID to spread lies/propaganda.

 

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 11:04 PM

59. FFS...



Sid

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 11:05 PM

60. Hey! It's DU... Bash, punch and bait away!




Sigh....

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 11:12 PM

63. I punched 8 hippies today!

 


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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #63)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 04:03 AM

122. I got hippie punched today!..

Not.

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 11:17 PM

68. something Is very wrong.

 

and you know what it is?

It's the same old ratchet up the misery and whinging before the midterms to try to demoralize. It's normally pretty bad here for bashing the President and every friggen thing he does, with no recognition at all for what he does get done under the circumstances but tis' the season again. Hamsher and her crew were on it like shit to a blanket last go round.

same as last time but with different names.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #68)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 11:19 PM

69. "same as last time but with different names"...

accurate in so many ways.



Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #69)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 12:01 AM

84. Our victim has had trouble expressing himself. And he got a post hidden...

Last edited Mon Feb 10, 2014, 03:36 AM - Edit history (1)

This thread is merely abusing the membership and those of us who give Obama a fair shake, I have given this poster a fair shake when he first started posting and was supportive but he doesn't seem to be willing to do the same. Disappointing.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #68)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 12:06 AM

85. Whisp, send me a link on this Hamsher thing. I forgot what it was about, never 'got it.' TIA. n/t

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Response to Whisp (Reply #68)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 04:20 AM

124. this poster is only making me stronger in my resolve.. so he delivers a big

epic fail.















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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 11:20 PM

70. Anyone who disagres with you is a paid shill...

 

...bankrolled by Third Way and the DLC....with the blessing of Obama of course!

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 11:25 PM

71. Former hippy here, called a communist first when in fourth grade and countless times after that;

I think you're just bottom-dragging for reactions

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #71)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 08:56 AM

133. When that particular poster was newer

I told him about our progressive socialist group. It's a quieter group where we post about the type of future we'd like to see. It's a protected group with no red-baiting allowed. Many of our members are Trotskyist or Anarchist in philosophy. It's of course not GD and we are not focused on beating down other politicians - we discuss other economic systems, the ills of capitalism, how to move forward with our ideals etc. I was hoping he/she might be interested but no luck.

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Response to TBF (Reply #133)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 09:07 AM

135. Maybe the OP is just wedge-driving.

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #135)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 09:11 AM

136. Unfortunately

I think you may be right.

I always try to welcome folks when I think they might have something to add to our socialist group. There are plenty of us with stronger leftist tendencies who vote democrat because it's clearly our best option. We may like to see policies that are further left but we still have to deal with the reality of this country and a 2-party system.

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Response to TBF (Reply #136)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 09:32 AM

139. Organizing the masses still remains a good goal

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #139)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 10:47 AM

142. Personally I see that as the main goal -

and I vote for democrats because they usually do the least damage to working folks. I am in Texas and rarely even see local socialists on the ballot. I do the best I can ... but I really feel like the advocating and organizing are the things that affect change long term.

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #135)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 09:24 AM

138. There's quite a bit of cleaving...

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 11:38 PM

76. huh?

 

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 11:49 PM

82. IBTL to say...

Fuck Rand McNally.

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:34 AM

99. Cue the Welcome Back Kotter theme song..

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:48 AM

102. Say hi for me!





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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #102)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 04:41 AM

127. Everyone blames Nader for putting Bush in office,

when they should be blaming the Supreme Court.

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Response to lob1 (Reply #127)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 06:11 AM

128. Nader told people Bush was not so bad by saying there was no difference between Bush and Gore

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Response to lob1 (Reply #127)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 11:59 AM

146. !!!



They both want Democrats to lose!

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:48 AM

103. There are plenty that hit on every right wing talking point,

but because they profess love for Him, it's totally cool.

We've even got a handful that recently popped up with the "WE NEED A STRONG MILITARY! TERRORISTS! WHY DOES YOU HATE AMURRICA!" shit.

So every shitty right wing talking point is represented, and to disagree with them means you're being "divisive".

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:55 AM

106. Not to mention this joint used to be a little

harder to troll.

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Response to A-Schwarzenegger (Reply #106)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 02:33 AM

112. ^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^ +1000000000000000

 

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Response to A-Schwarzenegger (Reply #106)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 09:35 AM

141. Yep. Even NJmaverick has managed to slip back in. n/t

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 08:37 AM

130. Something is very wrong when someone thinks fighting for LGBT rights...

is red-baiting!

But hey, welcome to DU, frwrfpos!

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 08:53 AM

132. hippies? reds?

What decade are you posting from?

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #132)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 08:58 AM

134. Not to mention the fact that they are 2 different animals -

I know several leftists who will tolerate "hippies" but really want to focus on economics as opposed to extraneous issues.

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Response to TBF (Reply #134)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 11:11 AM

143. I am just wondering how the zootsuiters and flappers feel about all this. nt

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #143)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 11:16 AM

145. I'm surprised they weren't included

in the "analysis" ... every other stereotype was bandied about.

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 09:20 AM

137. Opposing homophobia is not 'red baiting' especially when the homophobes are not

 

'reds' but Big Business Capitalists, Oligarchs and oppressors. I think your translation program needs an update, your lingo is very 1971.

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Response to frwrfpos (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 11:16 AM

144. Hippies? Reds?



A couple of decades late.

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