"I’m certainly against one of Senator Obama’s ideas, which is to lift the cap on the payroll tax"

I've always favored the underdog and I find it as disturbing now as I did in 2007 that the machine is moving to determine the outcome of the primary.

Why? Not based on merit so much as who has power and influence.

I just don't think that's the democratic process I learned about in school.

Sorry.

I supported Wes Clark.

I do not want her as President............of anything.

You're stuck. Neither the progressive left or the hateful right will be able to stop her in either the primaries or the general. She just fascinates too many people who don't bother to think about politics until the weekend before an election.

to put up against her? There's no heir-apparent "it's my turn" kind of Rethuglican out there. Unless you count Gingrich or Santorum, and I think the former is way too beaten up to want to give it a try. The latter is just flat out unacceptable to the vast majority of the American people.

Give me a name or two of some GOP'er who could possibly beat Hillary in a general election, assuming that what we know about her today is just about all we will know about her by Election Day.

Or taking a serious look at reality? On one hand, I don't see any strong Repukes that could possibly win in the general (Christie was polling well a couple of months ago, but he's in the toilet for the next three years at least) and on the other hand, I don't see any serious opposition forming to Hillary Clinton. I mean, who's going on the Sunday talking head shows, trying to set themselves up for a bit of name familiarity?

Forget Elizabeth Warren, she's backing Hillary, who would be wise to put her on the ticket in the VP slot. It would calm down a LOT of voters on our side.

you can bet on that.
He's laying low for a reason. That reason is to sanitize his name, his resume. Voters have short memories and they, big head jeb people, are banking on that. Anyways my bet is whoever the dems settle on will go up against the third bush.

Republicons are shallow people

Remember I said it first

very old, very powerful, very exclusive.

Let me rephrase that he'll be marketed as more sane than older brother little boots. Pukes will eat it up too

with the tea partiers. His support of immigration reform drives them nuts, and besides, even they think there's been enough Bushes.

However, he could squeak in if he maintains McCain-Romney like numbers of 30-40% or so in the early primaries, and fundy/TP candidates divide up the vote. Of course, after SC, there would be an anybody-but-Jebbie candidate, and I think he'd give Bush a serious run for it like McCain and Romney never saw.

In any case, I cannot see Jeb Bush beating Hillary Clinton. Massive apathy might set in, given that the two families seem to be the double helix of American politics, and that's depressing.

in he will and when he does the dynamics of this race will be turned on its head. The teabillies may not like him but you can bet they hate who ever we Dems have on our side way more than they hate big head jeb. The republicon party will coalesce around him so fast it will make heads spin. Whether we can win in the end is anyone's guess at this point. Lots of racist jackasses out there and they don't vote Democratic. Lots of assholes who also thinks a woman's place is in the kitchen and I will add they don't vote a Democratic ticket either.
You can bet on it

of "they hate our guy worse than they hate any GOP'er", and that didn't work the last two elections, either. Are you telling me that they find Hillary scarier than they did a black man?

Hillary has a lot of people, or I should say republicons scared that she'll take their guns. I like Hillary but if she's our candidate it will be one tough election. IMO
Guns is one of the biggest wedge issues the republicons win elections with. A lot of otherwise good people get real jittery when you start talking about restricting their guns, some Dems too. I would have liked to see Hillary be our first woman President and maybe she will be but with the volatile system we have now I don't think she can win.
You can bet your bippy that I'll be voting for whoever our nominee is. I'm 100% Democratic

on that issue. Barack Obama has actually spoken out on gun control. But he's been completely ineffective at passing any legislation in that direction. They probably think Hillary will get the same result if she tries the same thing.

What we need is to focus on electing a Congress that will be to the left of whoever the next President is.

I do know of some cops who made that much by working overtime in higher pay states like NY or NJ.

Hardly any teachers make that much, but some tenured college professors do.

If a teacher or a cop, in some high income area has to pay these taxes on a higher proportion of their income, is that more of a burden on them or on someone making minimum wage and paying for every dollar they earn.

was happening at the time, the media never paid much attention to that debate. But there were several proposals on raising the cap. And if you remember, where did the most blowback come from? Not Republicans. From Democrats!! Yes, Democrats from wealthy states. Someone mentioned down thread the "donut hole" proposal. I remember that debate clearly. And again, it was really several Democrats from wealthy blue states, like Schumer, who kept trying to move the ball, raise the income ceiling.

And as I said, with all the other debates going on at that time, including the disastrous midterm election, the SS reform discussions were largely ignored by the media. You had to really be paying attention to know and understand what was going on.

Create a donut hole. Don't want to tax well paid working class, fine, exempt 100k to 250k, then tax again over 250k. Not that complicated if that is the group she is truly concerned about.

said no!! Remember how they kept raising the ceiling? It was basically those from wealthier states like Schumer and Feinstein.

Yikes!

she said that a long time ago.

Although I really saw it as a KEY to why I do NOT support her. She jumped right in there - to fight other Democrats, on behalf of people who make more than $98,000 a year.

The FICA cap has always been lifted. Hillary's position is not centrist, it is right of center.

Hillary doesn't represent our interests, she simply does not.

I know some sockpuppet will pop up to quote her approval rating among "liberals and progressives". But that doesn't change the fact that she is a poor choice considering the challenges that face us.

We do not want more, deregulation, trade deals, tax cuts and wars.

to the Clintons.

the AVERAGE teacher salary in her county (Westchester County, NY) is $88,000, so where she lives I'll bet there are a bunch of teachers making over $102K

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/local/2013/10/06/more-ny-educator-salaries-top-100000-/2933899/

and she knows perfectly well how much teachers make outside of Westchester County, NY.

then it's hard to argue that she's out of touch as the OP does. Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of hers but she does happen to live in one of the few places were she can claim to know a bunch of teachers making that much.

you can see how she confused incomes over 100k as middle class.

She will be our party's version of Margaret Thatcher.

And all this talk about Hillary and her 'toughness' (which is bullshit, toughness isn't just blurting out shit without thinking first), yep, I get that same picture. A vomitous one.

There will be intense pressure for her to intervene militarily or get the "weak woman" tag by the Rethugs and their media pets (David Gregory et al). Look at how the media pressured Obama on Syria, imagine the baying for blood we'll get with Hillary.

It's a massive trap for her and for the party. Does she have the will to resist? The biggest question is whether she desires conflict herself.

And that's completely aside to her elitist economic and tax policies.

I didn't know this about her. I'm disappointed. Such bullshit, I've never met a rich teacher.

I just will not vote for Hillary. She's flamingly incompetent and rightist.

I'm sick to death of the lesser of two evils argument, too.

she can walk over to the other side of the aisle where she belongs rec too

Obama at that time also said the individual mandate was theft and he'd never approve of any bill without a strong public option. Like 'raise the cap' his rhetoric vanished into hers once he won. Saying one is for something then not pursuing it is no different than simply saying you will not pursue it. Well, it's far more honest.

he was "willing to look at" not raising the payroll tax of those earning "slightly above" $100,000. Classic Obama.

Q: Would you take a pledge of no tax increases on people under $250,000?
OBAMA: I not only have pledged not to raise their taxes, I would cut their taxes. We are going to offset the payroll tax, the most regressive of our taxes.

CLINTON: I don’t want to raise taxes on anybody. I’m certainly against one of Senator Obama’s ideas, which is to lift the cap on the payroll tax, because that would impose additional taxes on people who are educators, police officers, firefighters and the like.

OBAMA: What I have proposed is that we raise the cap on the payroll tax, because right now millionaires and billionaires don’t have to pay beyond $97,000 a year. Now most firefighters & teachers, they’re not making over $100,000 a year. In fact, only 6% of the population does. And I’ve also said that I’d be willing to look at exempting people who are making slightly above that.

Q: But that’s a tax on people under $250,000.

OBAMA: That’s why I would look at potentially exempting those who are in between.