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Thu Jan 23, 2014, 12:29 PM

politicaljunkie41910 (3,335 posts)

Top 10 States with the worst Schools

10. Oklahoma
9. Michigan
8. South Dakota
7. South Carolina
6. Alaska
5. Alabama
4. West Virginia
3. New Mexico
2. Louisiana
1. Mississippi

http://247wallst.com/special-report/2014/01/14/states-with-the-best-and-worst-schools-2/4/

Well I'm sure that will change when those states get some Republicans running them. Hmmmm!!!! 9 of the 10 states are run by Republicans and have been for some time now. Who would have thought it?!?!?!?!

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Reply Top 10 States with the worst Schools (Original post)
 politicaljunkie41910 Jan 2014 OP
LineReply But our green chile is the BEST !
 NM_Birder Jan 2014 #1
LineReply How the hell did Florida not make this list?
 lilithsrevenge12 Jan 2014 #2
LineLineReply Because my daughter is an educator in South Florida and is one of the best.
 RebelOne Jan 2014 #16
LineLineReply you are basing your conclusion about the entire state based on one class?
 DrDan Jan 2014 #22
LineLineLineReply But it would have to be one good class in Statistics, not a dumbed-down one ...
 JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2014 #23
LineLineLineLineReply it does? I live here and am confused by that comment.
 DrDan Jan 2014 #25
LineLineLineLineLineReply A friend of ours moved to Florida a couple years ago
 joeglow3 Jan 2014 #29
LineLineLineLineLineLineReply she should leave it she hates it that much
 DrDan Jan 2014 #31
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply They are there because of her husband's job
 joeglow3 Jan 2014 #33
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply this study shows public high school rankings by state -
 DrDan Jan 2014 #42
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply I have learned schools are not analyzed by the top and bottom performers
 joeglow3 Jan 2014 #44
LineLineNew Reply Um ... if you're "sitting in class right now" and surfing the internet ...
 lpbk2713 Jan 2014 #38
LineLineNew Reply Your taking 'international relations?' Try domestic.
 Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #43
LineReply Governor Christie is doing his best to add New Jersey to the list!
 Walk away Jan 2014 #3
LineLineReply New Jersey is the third best on that list.
 Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #5
LineLineLineReply Christie's program has made it difficult for teachers with tenure...
 Walk away Jan 2014 #15
LineReply 6 of the 10 are southern states.
 Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #4
LineLineReply More Southern Bashing from you.
 MicaelS Jan 2014 #6
LineLineLineReply Are 6 of those 10 worst school states not southern states?
 Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #8
LineLineLineLineReply Yes you are imagining it.
 kiva Jan 2014 #9
LineLineLineLineLineReply Nope.
 Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #10
LineLineLineLineLineLineReply And this list is radically different
 B2G Jan 2014 #12
LineLineLineLineLineLineReply There are only 4 states on that list from the Old Confederacy
 Art_from_Ark Jan 2014 #18
LineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Name them.
 11 Bravo Jan 2014 #39
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Don't forget "South" Dakota
 lpbk2713 Jan 2014 #40
LineLineLineLineLineReply West Virginia isn't the South.
 a la izquierda Jan 2014 #19
LineLineLineLineLineLineReply I agree,
 kiva Jan 2014 #26
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Sorry, I shouldn't have aimed that at you...
 a la izquierda Jan 2014 #27
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Not a problem.
 kiva Jan 2014 #28
LineLineLineReply Typical. Tedious and juvenile.
 cordelia Jan 2014 #30
LineLineLineLineNew Reply +1
 Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2014 #35
LineLineReply Yep. Low property taxes, though. And crappy schools. nt
 raccoon Jan 2014 #7
LineReply and 50 years ago, or an hundred years ago
 rustbeltvoice Jan 2014 #11
LineLineReply Well, Arkansas at least, has gotten out of the bottom 10
 Art_from_Ark Jan 2014 #24
LineReply Not exactly
 pipi_k Jan 2014 #13
LineLineReply There are some districts, and some schools, in more affluent areas that are good. nt
 raccoon Jan 2014 #21
LineReply Meaningless statistics.
 former9thward Jan 2014 #14
LineReply WV and NM mostly run by Democrats for a long time
 n2doc Jan 2014 #17
LineReply The national news last night showed a NJ high school falling apart.
 B Calm Jan 2014 #20
LineReply Wow, Michigan?
 polichick Jan 2014 #32
LineLineReply Agree thats a shocker about Michigan...
 KoKo Jan 2014 #34
LineLineLineNew Reply That's how I've always thought of it too.
 polichick Jan 2014 #36
LineLineLineNew Reply Two reasons
 MrScorpio Jan 2014 #37
LineLineLineLineNew Reply I was going to guess "Rick" and "Snyder".
 11 Bravo Jan 2014 #41

Response to politicaljunkie41910 (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2014, 12:35 PM

NM_Birder (1,591 posts)

1. But our green chile is the BEST !

 

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Thu Jan 23, 2014, 12:49 PM

lilithsrevenge12 (136 posts)

2. How the hell did Florida not make this list?

I'm learning more about international relations from this forum than the international relations class I'm sitting in right now! Apparently, when you dumb down material, your state is no longer considered one of the worst for education.

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Thu Jan 23, 2014, 07:31 PM

RebelOne (30,947 posts)

16. Because my daughter is an educator in South Florida and is one of the best.

And her fellow teachers are the best also. I went to school in South Florida and received an excellent education. That is why Florida did not make the list.

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Fri Jan 24, 2014, 07:20 AM

DrDan (20,411 posts)

22. you are basing your conclusion about the entire state based on one class?

perhaps a class on statistics is appropriate.

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Fri Jan 24, 2014, 07:34 AM

Star Member JustABozoOnThisBus (22,899 posts)

23. But it would have to be one good class in Statistics, not a dumbed-down one ...

... because "standard deviation" means different things in different parts of FL.

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Fri Jan 24, 2014, 08:47 AM

DrDan (20,411 posts)

25. it does? I live here and am confused by that comment.

Could be the Florida education, I guess . . ..

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Fri Jan 24, 2014, 01:15 PM

joeglow3 (6,228 posts)

29. A friend of ours moved to Florida a couple years ago

 

She was in tears when she saw how shitty their schools are. The kids were in 2nd and 4th grade at the time and were 18 months ahead of all the schools they visited.

She hates it there and says with almost 100% accuracy she can talk to someone for 5 minutes and tell if you are a native or a transplant.

However, she mentioned they use their own standardized testing to boost their scores.

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Fri Jan 24, 2014, 03:06 PM

DrDan (20,411 posts)

31. she should leave it she hates it that much

I have been here 31 years and cannot tell a native from a transplant . . .

I ahave two children who have degrees from Florida - both productively employed.

Sounds like your friend has sour grapes and would be better off elsewhere. Either that or she moved to a crappy neighborhood - which can be found in every state.

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Fri Jan 24, 2014, 03:11 PM

joeglow3 (6,228 posts)

33. They are there because of her husband's job

 

Just the other day, she was talking to a man in a store and when she mentioned she was from Nebraska, he said "I would like to visit there. I have never been to the West coast."

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Sat Jan 25, 2014, 05:38 AM

DrDan (20,411 posts)

42. this study shows public high school rankings by state -

Florida #7

http://www.usnews.com/education/high-schools/articles/2013/04/22/how-states-compare-in-the-2013-best-high-schools-rankings


The following one shows Florida scoring higher than the national average in 5 of 8 categories of educational progress in math, reading, science and writing

http://nces.ed.gov/programs/stateprofiles/sresult.asp?mode=short&s1=12

This info is probably more credible than the anecdotal experiences of someone who hates living in Florida.

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Sat Jan 25, 2014, 10:52 PM

joeglow3 (6,228 posts)

44. I have learned schools are not analyzed by the top and bottom performers

 

Rather, it is best analyzed by the average students. After all, the is where the vast majority students will reside. Good for them doing a good job with the highly motivated kids.

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Fri Jan 24, 2014, 03:40 PM

Star Member lpbk2713 (42,051 posts)

38. Um ... if you're "sitting in class right now" and surfing the internet ...




that could be a real strong indicator of why you aren't
absorbing anything in the class you are in.


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Sat Jan 25, 2014, 07:09 AM

Eleanors38 (18,318 posts)

43. Your taking 'international relations?' Try domestic.

 

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Thu Jan 23, 2014, 12:52 PM

Walk away (9,494 posts)

3. Governor Christie is doing his best to add New Jersey to the list!

Please...somebody impeach him and his crooked Lieutenant Governor before they spend the next 4 year destroying the state!

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Thu Jan 23, 2014, 01:01 PM

Vashta Nerada (3,922 posts)

5. New Jersey is the third best on that list.

 

http://247wallst.com/special-report/2014/01/14/states-with-the-best-and-worst-schools-2/3/

3. New Jersey
> State score: 82.1
> High school graduation rate: 83.1% (5th best)
> Per pupil expenditure: $14,920 (6th highest)
> Preschool enrollment: 63.4% (2nd highest)

The proportion of New Jersey eighth graders performing at an advanced level on math sections of national tests increased by 9.2 percentage points in the past 10 years, more than double the rate of improvement nationwide. Last year, 46.3% of New Jersey’s eighth graders were proficient in math, second only to Massachusetts. New Jersey scored in the top 10 in all four spending indicators measured by Education Week. The state spent nearly 5% of its taxable resources on K-12 schooling that year, second only to Vermont. However, Education Week graded New Jersey’s management of its teachers among the worst in 2012. Recently, as part of Governor Chris Christie’s focus on education, the state has introduced teacher tenure programs that aim to make it more difficult for mediocre teachers to continue teaching poorly.

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Thu Jan 23, 2014, 07:24 PM

Walk away (9,494 posts)

15. Christie's program has made it difficult for teachers with tenure...

to continue to work even if they are great teachers. It has become fashionable to berate teachers in NJ. His goal is to break the union and hire the cheapest teachers and fire them when he needs to cut taxes. It's all about vouchers and charter schools now.

New Jersey's schools are something to be proud of but not for long. Most of the really dedicated and best teachers I know are taking early retirement. Chris Christie has raided the budget for our schools and used the money to give hundreds of millions in taxbreaks to our North Bergen billionaires.

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Thu Jan 23, 2014, 01:00 PM

Vashta Nerada (3,922 posts)

4. 6 of the 10 are southern states.

 

Imagine that.

9 of 10 of those schools are red states. Imagine that. Again.

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Thu Jan 23, 2014, 01:03 PM

Star Member MicaelS (8,739 posts)

6. More Southern Bashing from you.

Why am I not surprised.

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Thu Jan 23, 2014, 01:08 PM

Vashta Nerada (3,922 posts)

8. Are 6 of those 10 worst school states not southern states?

 

Or am I imagining it?

Maybe you should email the people who wrote the article and tell them they're southern bashing.

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Thu Jan 23, 2014, 01:21 PM

kiva (4,373 posts)

9. Yes you are imagining it.

I'm coming up with a maximum of 5, and that's if you count W. Virginia which is pretty iffish.

Perhaps you need to work on deciphering maps and charts and stuff: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4374509


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Thu Jan 23, 2014, 01:46 PM

Vashta Nerada (3,922 posts)

10. Nope.

 

Six.

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Fri Jan 24, 2014, 05:52 AM

Art_from_Ark (27,247 posts)

18. There are only 4 states on that list from the Old Confederacy

Oklahoma is not a southern state, and West Virginia is iffy because it is Appalachia, much like eastern Kentucky, eastern Ohio, western Maryland and central Pennsylvania.

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Fri Jan 24, 2014, 03:59 PM

Star Member 11 Bravo (23,729 posts)

39. Name them.

Ignorance is one thing. Willful ignorance is quite another.

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Fri Jan 24, 2014, 04:02 PM

Star Member lpbk2713 (42,051 posts)

40. Don't forget "South" Dakota




BWAHAHA

OMFG



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Fri Jan 24, 2014, 06:41 AM

Star Member a la izquierda (11,691 posts)

19. West Virginia isn't the South.

Though I live in Morgantown, which has excellent schools, and more or less considers itself a suburb of Pittsburgh, fwiw.

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Fri Jan 24, 2014, 11:53 AM

kiva (4,373 posts)

26. I agree,

I don't see it as the South at all but I gave that as a possibility to the poster since some people do - I think it's the 'Virginia' part that makes them assume it's the South. I'm still mystified as to the identity of that sixth southern state the poster thinks exists.

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Fri Jan 24, 2014, 12:54 PM

Star Member a la izquierda (11,691 posts)

27. Sorry, I shouldn't have aimed that at you...

But at the op in general.

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Fri Jan 24, 2014, 01:09 PM

kiva (4,373 posts)

28. Not a problem.

I mostly replied because discussions about regionalism interest me, even though in grad school I swore I'd rather have a root canal without novocain than have one more "where is the West" discussion.

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Fri Jan 24, 2014, 01:19 PM

cordelia (2,174 posts)

30. Typical. Tedious and juvenile.

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Fri Jan 24, 2014, 03:24 PM

Tuesday Afternoon (56,912 posts)

35. +1

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Thu Jan 23, 2014, 01:04 PM

Star Member raccoon (30,813 posts)

7. Yep. Low property taxes, though. And crappy schools. nt

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Thu Jan 23, 2014, 03:49 PM

rustbeltvoice (408 posts)

11. and 50 years ago, or an hundred years ago

The usual suspects.

Some things do not change much. I remember looking at lists from yesteryears and a commonality of results in rankings of all sorts of measures of well being and the bottom was constant. A list that follows really was typical. This is not "bashing", the South and parts of Appalachia were poor (and largely still are) for the vast majority of their residents.

1. Mississippi
2. Alabama
3. Arkansas
4. West Virginia
5. Louisiana

There was an old joke, "what is the state cheer (or motto) of Alabama?"
"Thank God, for Mississippi".

This is why Huey Long was hated by the local powers that were. He raised money to improve Louisiana.
This is why William Faulkner has never been appreciated in Mississippi. He was fool enough to tell the truth.

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Fri Jan 24, 2014, 08:18 AM

Art_from_Ark (27,247 posts)

24. Well, Arkansas at least, has gotten out of the bottom 10

And of course, schools can vary widely in quality from district to district within the same state. Fifty years ago, for example, Rogers, Arkansas was considered to have a better school system than surrounding districts, including Bentonville. But now Bentonville is awash in Wal-Mart money and its schools are at least on a par with Rogers, which itself has been spending a considerable amount of money on its schools. Their newest high school, for example, looks like something out of The Jetsons. And even Pea Ridge, which had long had a reputation of being a hillbilly heaven, has vastly improved its schools compared with what I knew of them in the '60s and '70s.

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Thu Jan 23, 2014, 05:00 PM

pipi_k (21,020 posts)

13. Not exactly

what I wanted to hear...

My son and his family just moved from Mass to SC last week, at the urging of my DIL, who has been trying for years to move out of this state to just about anywhere else.

And I have two granddaughters, 12 and 10.


Fortunately, they had a pretty good start up here for a few years in a private school before they had to quit and attend public schools, which, even then, was not that bad.


But I don't feel good about the school in SC thing, although they're both bright and curious, and hopefully can overcome whatever deficits there might be in the school system down there.

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Fri Jan 24, 2014, 06:55 AM

Star Member raccoon (30,813 posts)

21. There are some districts, and some schools, in more affluent areas that are good. nt

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Thu Jan 23, 2014, 05:16 PM

Star Member former9thward (28,984 posts)

14. Meaningless statistics.

Schools are run locally not by states. There are good and bad schools in every state. Chicago has had the worst schools in the U.S. by every measure for decades. IL does not appear on the ten worst states because the schools outside of Chicago are so much better.

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Thu Jan 23, 2014, 07:34 PM

n2doc (47,953 posts)

17. WV and NM mostly run by Democrats for a long time

One could say the same about Michigan, it has only been the past 4 years that Snyder has been in. Would be interesting to see the same list from 2008. I am surprised Texas and Georgia aren't on it.

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Fri Jan 24, 2014, 06:49 AM

B Calm (28,762 posts)

20. The national news last night showed a NJ high school falling apart.

 

The school was literally in shambles.

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Fri Jan 24, 2014, 03:07 PM

polichick (37,151 posts)

32. Wow, Michigan?

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Fri Jan 24, 2014, 03:19 PM

KoKo (84,711 posts)

34. Agree thats a shocker about Michigan...

Seems to me that Michigan was on the top schools list around 10 years or so ago.

What happened? Or, maybe my memory is just faulty. I was interested at the time because a friend of ours had daughter and small kids moving there. When the statistics came out (as they do every year) about top schools she was glad to see Michigan was top and they were moving from New Jersey.

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Fri Jan 24, 2014, 03:33 PM

polichick (37,151 posts)

36. That's how I've always thought of it too.

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Fri Jan 24, 2014, 03:38 PM

Star Member MrScorpio (73,512 posts)

37. Two reasons

Reduction of the tax base from loss of industry AND Republicans.

Capitalism and politics

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Fri Jan 24, 2014, 05:38 PM

Star Member 11 Bravo (23,729 posts)

41. I was going to guess "Rick" and "Snyder".

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