There was a leader of a country who bent over backwards for the social and religious conservatives

[demtenjeep]

Wow, this is ERIE. I found it on a website talking about Brownback. Not sure who wrote it because it was in the comments section


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There was a leader of a country who bent over backwards for the social and religious conservatives. He outlawed many of the same behaviors and attitudes that the social conservatives of today consider so vital (a_bo_rt_ion, h_o_m_o_s_e_x_uality, graphics, etc). He exalted the church, protected the church and provided state recognition. He touted traditional moralality, he touted religion is schools. To provide a quote, “Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith. . . we need believing people.”

The social and christian conservatives were so enamored with him they pledged their overwhelming support. He even gained the support of the vatican. In short, he said and did a lot of the same things that today’s GOP candidates are saying and it is almost to a tee of what the social/christian conservatives want.

This leader assumed power in Germany during the 1930?s and within 12 years the world would know about the holocaust.

The worse part is that he had the overwhelming support of the social/christian conservatives and of the catholic church (pope pius XII).

The parallels are striking and they are scary!

These GOP hacks are on their way to repeating history.

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I think this religious over zealousy is going to backfire

[Dawson Leery]

1. K/R

THAT church has been 2000 years of horror.

[lunasun]

2. and Hitler targeted trade unionists too

also facists are never fond of the individual's rights and love police states

i just wrote in another post on DU yesterday that I think it mirrors 1931 right now not 32 or 33 but we are one economic downturn away from those years

Look how the average German really just turned their head or started to agree with Hitler

He first went after the vulnerable smaller sectors of that society and the majority did little to defend or protest which in turn then justified the attack on these groups

With the power of media nowdays and the orchestrated division in this complacent country it could drop down alot quicker than the 30's

[TBF]

28. Agree, he also targeted communists and gypsies -

anyone who did not fit his view of the "perfect Aryan". I have no doubt that fascism could rise fairly quickly in this country.

[ChunderingTruth]

3. The Fascist Government is in Place now

look at America today as Compassionate Fascists.

[eShirl]

4. until they specified the religion, I thought it might be Saudi Arabia.

[cali]

5. oh this is such garbage

Hitler didn't bend over backwards for anyone. What he did ALWAYS advanced his own agenda and interests. Furthermore, Christian conservatives didn't all support him and weren't all enamoured with him.

This is such hackneyed ahistorical crap.

[RZM]

6. Pretty much

Some people just really want Hitler and Nazism to be all about Christianity. They weren't.

[ChunderingTruth]

7. yet Christianity was a big part

of what kept him in power.

just about all of Hitlers speeches used Christianity to justifiy his actions.

The true 'Christians' would have stood up to him and his thugs instead of joining him and his pals.

[cali]

9. not really. it was actually pretty minor

[edhopper]

13. Because the anti-antisemitism in Europe

wasn't the result of centuries of hate promoted and propagated by the Church?

[cali]

14. sure it was-

at least in large part and that still doesn't make the op any more factual.

[Drahthaardogs]

17. No. At least not in the case of WWII

First of all,

Germany was a Lutheran country and England had long ago created the Anglican Church. Hitler hated the Catholic Church. Hated it, and many a historian believe that he would have rounded them up too, except he knew that there were far too many Catholics to pull that off.


The antisemitism in Europe was more of a

1) Rumor of a back-stabbing by Jewish officials in high positions during the first WW that ultimately led to the German defeat.

2) The Bolshevik Revolution, the creation of the Soviet Union, and communist dictatorships in Bavaria and Hungary scared people in Europe and in the United States. The Jewish leaders like Trotsky and Ernst Toller in Bavaria proclaimed the "natural" attraction of Jews and international communism.

3) The Treaty of Versailles made Germany pay reparations for their actions. Inflation went crazy, unemployment was skyrocketing. Rumors that Jewish bankers were manipulation the reparation payments for their own profit were abundant.

I know it is great fun on DU to make the Catholic Church responsible for all evil in the world, but really, the Church's role in Hitler's rise to power was minor. Financial and political reasons were much more prevalent.

[edhopper]

20. To point to WWI

as a major point in anti-antisemitism in Europe and ignore the centuries of it by ALL the Christian Churches (Martin Luthor was a BIG anti-semite) is so short sighted as to be laughable.

[Drahthaardogs]

22. You specifically noted The Church

The Church is not the same thing as all christian churches. If you wanted to include antisemitic feelings by Lutherans, you should have noted the Lutheran Church. Instead, you cite The Church.

[edhopper]

23. Point taken

the stuff about WWI is still hogwash.

[Drahthaardogs]

24. Not in relation to the rise of Hitler's power.

Which is what this poster is trying to state. That Hitler used The Church (Roman Catholic) to win over conservative religious types, and rode that into his power grab. He/she also stated that The Church promoted antisemitism which helped Hitler's rise and thus led to the Holocaust.


I point out that Hitler hated The Church and that Lutheranism had long been the official religion of Germany before Hitler took power. Hitler had no love for the Catholics. That whole Pius and Hitler were buds story is bullshit and I cringe every time someone re-iterates it.

[lunasun]

32. I thought he was raised Catholic and wanted to be a priest at some point perhaps still in Austria

but he never officially left it in Germany.........
I also do not know where you got that as a whole Germans are mostly Lutheran because they are not
and never have been: it was divided by regions, but no longer so much due to modern mobility

Your declaration of Lutheran as official religion is from what source????
A state church does not exist in Germany and currently there are more Catholics than Protestants as a whole

If I didnt know better I would think you were trying to start a 30 year war or something.............
from wiki ..........

Christianity is the largest religion in Germany, with around 49.4 million adherents (62.8%) in 2008[17] of which 24.5 million are Protestants (29.9%) belonging to the EKD and 24.9 million are Catholics (30.0%)

Before the 1990 unification of the Federal Republic of Germany (or West Germany) and the German Democratic Republic (or East Germany), Catholics were 45% of the West German
population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Germany

[RZM]

36. On the priest thing, you might be confusing his story with Stalin's

I've never read anything about Hitler wanting to be a priest. Not saying it never crossed his mind, but I haven't seen any evidence that he ever considered it. In his younger days his father wanted him to be a civil servant, while he was more interested in being an artist.

Stalin, OTOH, actually trained to be an Orthodox Priest at a seminary school in Georgia. He was eventually kicked out for his political views.

[CTyankee]

25. Would you care to elaborate more on the Jewish problem in Germany at the time?

You've mentioned Jews in 3 of your explanations for antisemitism and I'd like to hear more of what you have to say about this.

[Drahthaardogs]

26. HUH?

I have absolutely no idea what the heck you are talking about.


A link from the Holocaust Museum.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007166

[CTyankee]

27. Well, go back and read your post. 3 reference to Jewish influences, real or inferred.

I was only picking up on what you heard, some of which I had never, in my very long life, heard before. So I wondered...

[Drahthaardogs]

29. Well, I cannot re-iterate a slanderous rumor and make it politically correct.

That fact is, these rumors were flying around Europe at the time. You should watch your own tacit implications.

[CTyankee]

30. Oh, now it was a "slanderous" rumor. Funny, that was left out of your original post.

I will take that as an error of omission.

Thanks.

[Drahthaardogs]

31. Whatever.

I stated quite plainly they were RUMORS and gave you a link that re-iterates every quite nicely from the HOLOCAUST MUSEUM. I think there are some goats on your bridge that you need to go to harass.

[CTyankee]

33. If I have given you insights in how you have to think harder and be clearer when you write.

then I have done what I needed to do.

"Rumors", with nothing more and particularly without the important modifying adjective "slanderous," can remind those of us who have read history with what went on before every pogram. "Rumors" stoked passions, old prejudices and fears. They were things that flew out of Pandora's box to visit terror, destruction and death upon people.

Don't consider yourself "harassed." Consider yourself "schooled" a bit...

[Drahthaardogs]

37. Oh, I considered some things.

I am pretty sure I gained some insight too. The goats are tap tap tapping again. You better go and see what they want. They may need some "schooling" as well.

[CTyankee]

39. OK, I was a bit harsh with you. But I do not ascribe bad motives to you.

I am offering you advice as to your wording. That is all. Take just that away. Don't have bad Billy Goat Gruff dreams. They aren't real.

[dionysus]

21. actually, he kicked christianity to the curb and replaced it with Norse based pagan rituals. crack

a book sometime....

[Shankapotomus]

16. I think it was more about

plain old bullying played out on the scale of a nation.

[hobbit709]

10. If you want , i'll give you my mother's phone number

She'll tell you about that "garbagae" as you refer to it. She ought to know, she lived through it.

[cali]

11. I'm sorry you're mother lived through it

that still doesn't make the frickin' op historically accurate.

[hobbit709]

18. It's closer to it than your version.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

8. I've been saying this for a while now.

It's freaky and it totally freaks me out.

[CJCRANE]

12. I think they're modeling themselves

(or whoever writes their talking points) on certain post-WWII theocratic regimes.

[Shankapotomus]

15. If not in deed

the same psychological pattern that gave rise to it is there. Agreed and K&Red

[BiggJawn]

19. Godwin.

Nothing to see here, it's all false, not a THING that has relevance to today's political climate. All because of Hitler...

[libtodeath]

34. The hatred is the same n/t

[Initech]

35. The rise of the tea party has lots of eerie similarities compared to the rise of the Nazis.

[muriel_volestrangler]

38. Outlawing graphics should be a vital policy for everyone, I think (nt)

[NCTraveler]

40. Not very well thought out.

Pretty ignorant. I would be able to take it for what it is if not for this: "These GOP hacks are on their way to repeating history". Not sure the author of this is aware of history.