Fri Jan 17, 2014, 09:38 PM
If Snowden Made Us Stronger How Is He a Traitor? - FDL
If Snowden Made Us Stronger How Is He a Traitor?
By: Jon Walker - FDL Friday January 17, 2014 9:18 am <snip> During his speech about the NSA President Obama said this current debate on surveillance will make us stronger as a country. From Obama: One thing I’m certain of: this debate will make us stronger. And I also know that in this time of change, the United States of America will have to lead. It may seem sometimes that America is being held to a different standard, and the readiness of some to assume the worst motives by our government can be frustrating. No one expects China to have an open debate about their surveillance programs, or Russia to take the privacy concerns of citizens into account. But let us remember that we are held to a different standard precisely because we have been at the forefront in defending personal privacy and human dignity.
The only reason this debate is taking place now is because of the actions of Edward Snowden. Logically this must mean what Snowden did was make the country stronger. So I’m curious how Snowden can both be responsible for making the country stronger and also a traitor according to the administration. It is also worth highlighting that Obama’s defense is to point out he is not as bad as a communist dictator. That is not exactly a high bar. <snip> Link: http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2014/01/17/if-snowden-made-us-stronger-how-is-he-a-traitor/ 
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Author | Time | Post |
 If Snowden Made Us Stronger How Is He a Traitor? - FDL (Original post) |
WillyT | Jan 2014 | OP |
| Skittles | Jan 2014 | #1 | |
| KG | Jan 2014 | #2 | |
| Skittles | Jan 2014 | #4 | |
| R. Daneel Olivaw | Jan 2014 | #23 | |
| Skittles | Jan 2014 | #31 | |
| R. Daneel Olivaw | Jan 2014 | #34 | |
| WillyT | Jan 2014 | #5 | |
| WillyT | Jan 2014 | #21 | |
| JI7 | Jan 2014 | #3 | |
| WillyT | Jan 2014 | #6 | |
| JI7 | Jan 2014 | #8 | |
| Fumesucker | Jan 2014 | #11 | |
| JI7 | Jan 2014 | #12 | |
| Fumesucker | Jan 2014 | #13 | |
| JI7 | Jan 2014 | #14 | |
| Fumesucker | Jan 2014 | #16 | |
| JI7 | Jan 2014 | #18 | |
| R. Daneel Olivaw | Jan 2014 | #25 | |
| pinboy3niner | Jan 2014 | #29 | |
| R. Daneel Olivaw | Jan 2014 | #24 | |
| KoKo | Jan 2014 | #9 | |
| ProSense | Jan 2014 | #7 | |
| R. Daneel Olivaw | Jan 2014 | #26 | |
| Katashi_itto | Jan 2014 | #27 | |
| Fumesucker | Jan 2014 | #10 | |
| brush | Jan 2014 | #15 | |
| Egnever | Jan 2014 | #19 | |
| uponit7771 | Jan 2014 | #33 | |
| pa28 | Jan 2014 | #17 | |
| jazzimov | Jan 2014 | #20 | |
| R. Daneel Olivaw | Jan 2014 | #28 | |
| Marr | Jan 2014 | #39 | |
| jimlup | Jan 2014 | #22 | |
| creeksneakers2 | Jan 2014 | #30 | |
| uponit7771 | Jan 2014 | #32 | |
| woo me with science | Jan 2014 | #35 | |
| bvar22 | Jan 2014 | #36 | |
| riderinthestorm | Jan 2014 | #37 | |
| Tierra_y_Libertad | Jan 2014 | #38 |
Response to WillyT (Original post)
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 09:40 PM
Skittles (149,670 posts)
1. the fan club will be right along to explain
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Response to KG (Reply #2)
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 09:43 PM
Skittles (149,670 posts)
4. here, I'll get it started KG! ------> HILLARY!!! HILLARY!!! <-------
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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #23)
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 05:03 AM
Skittles (149,670 posts)
31. WORSHIP THEIR LEADER?
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Response to Skittles (Reply #1)
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 09:44 PM
5. LOL !!!
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Ah... schadenfreude.
Did you catch THIS (I Have A Feeling You Might Enjoy It): http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024345007 
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Response to WillyT (Original post)
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 09:43 PM
JI7 (87,946 posts)
3. the debate could have been had with or without snowden
Response to JI7 (Reply #3)
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 09:46 PM
6. And... Precisely... Just HOW Would That Debate Have Been Initiated ???
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The ONLY reason it's out there, is that it was FORCED into the open.
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Response to WillyT (Reply #6)
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 09:49 PM
JI7 (87,946 posts)
8. the NSA has been around for decades
Response to JI7 (Reply #8)
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 09:54 PM
11. Obama was totally going to start that conversation in February 2014!
Response to Fumesucker (Reply #11)
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 09:56 PM
JI7 (87,946 posts)
12. he could have had the conversation anytime unlike China and Russia which was his point
Response to Fumesucker (Reply #13)
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 10:01 PM
JI7 (87,946 posts)
14. Snowden is weakening his claims by hanging out in Russia and not criticizing Russia and China
Response to JI7 (Reply #14)
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 10:07 PM
16. Precisely, if Snowden had stayed in the US he could have accessed the press like Chelsea Manning did
Response to Fumesucker (Reply #16)
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 10:11 PM
JI7 (87,946 posts)
18. he could have done it in many ways , since Snowden wasn't military like Manning he would have had
Response to JI7 (Reply #3)
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 09:50 PM
9. We could have just "gone along" SPYING ON AMERICANS"....
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Foreign Countries, Invading Everyone we wanted to Steal Stuff From and Get AWAY WITH IT!
 The PEOPLE WOULDN'T WAKE UP....DRONE KILLINGS, ILLEGAL WARS ...and a RUN AWAY US GOVERNMENT?
"nothing to see here move along." ARE YOU TRYING TO BE SERIOUS?  |
Response to ProSense (Reply #7)
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 12:59 AM
26. I'm not sure that you have a point.
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Unless it is to accept NSA spying as just while those that point it out are criminals.
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Response to WillyT (Original post)
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 09:53 PM
10. FDL?
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OK, I got the obligatory FDL mocking out of the way. 
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Response to WillyT (Original post)
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 10:07 PM
brush (47,854 posts)
15. He should have stopped with releasing info on domestic . . .
Response to brush (Reply #15)
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 07:45 AM
uponit7771 (89,029 posts)
33. +1, Der Spiegel said the docs he gave them could place opperatives in danger, that was needless
Response to WillyT (Original post)
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 10:11 PM
17. The president himself was surprised at the scale NSA spying so Snowden did him a service as well.
Response to WillyT (Original post)
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 10:25 PM
20. FDL is the "Newsmax" of Progressive circles. Don't believe
Response to WillyT (Original post)
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 02:21 AM
creeksneakers2 (7,416 posts)
30. Why don't you think its possible for
Response to WillyT (Original post)
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 07:42 AM
uponit7771 (89,029 posts)
32. Snowden Hypocrisy = The surveillance programs should be part of national discussion and ...
Response to WillyT (Original post)
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 06:55 PM
36. DURec for Snowden and the Whistle Blowers.
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Rampant Government Secrecy and Democracy can not co-exist. Persecution of Whistle Blowers and Democracy can not co-exist. Government surveillance of the citizenry and Democracy can not co-exist. Secret Laws and Democracy can not co-exist. Secret Courts and Democracy can not-co-exist. Our Democracy depends on an informed electorate. You either believe in Democracy, or you don't. It IS that simple. 
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