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WillyT

(72,631 posts)
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 01:13 PM Jan 2014

Edward Snowden Vindicated: Obama Speech Acknowledges Changes Needed To Surveillance - HuffPo

Edward Snowden Vindicated: Obama Speech Acknowledges Changes Needed To Surveillance
The Huffington Post | By Matt Sledge
Posted: 01/17/2014 12:18 pm EST | Updated: 01/17/2014 12:48 pm EST

<snip>

In a major speech Friday on the future of the National Security Agency, President Barack Obama announced a series of modest reforms to the way the agency does business. While he was doing so, he also reluctantly acknowledged the secret surveillance programs that former NSA contractor Edward Snowden exposed needed changing.

"The task before us now is greater than simply repairing the damage done to our operations; or preventing more disclosures from taking place in the future," Obama said. "Instead, we have to make some important decisions about how to protect ourselves and sustain our leadership in the world, while upholding the civil liberties and privacy protections that our ideals -- and our Constitution -- require."

Obama's remarks were grudging toward Snowden, who fled to Russia after his leaks were made public and has been charged with violating the Espionage Act. The president said he was "not going to dwell on Mr. Snowden’s actions or motivations," and that "our nation’s defense depends in part on the fidelity of those entrusted with our nation’s secrets."

But Snowden's leaks didn't just inform the public debate: in a piece on Thursday, The New York Times reported that Obama himself was unaware until Snowden's disclosures that the NSA was tapping the phones of foreign leaders like German Chancellor Angela Merkel.


<snip>

More: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/17/obama-edward-snowden_n_4617970.html




Edward Snowden Vindicated: Obama Speech Acknowledges Changes Needed To Surveillance - HuffPo (Original Post) WillyT Jan 2014 OP
You should check out the Drudge Report this morning, Willy Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #1
Drudge?..... really? bvar22 Jan 2014 #12
Drudge loves him some Snowden. Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #14
Sorry. I don't do Drudge. bvar22 Jan 2014 #17
It's not about doing Drudge. LMAO Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #18
Fuck anyone spying on us whatchamacallit Jan 2014 #27
AMEN! HangOnKids Jan 2014 #71
You didn't just gawk and laugh HangOnKids Jan 2014 #73
I bet most libertarians also love ice cream and our Constitution and sunny days and Sundays JDPriestly Jan 2014 #69
No self respecting Democrat would ever give a click to that blog. Is it still going? sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #38
Nailed it in Post #1 Number23 Jan 2014 #62
You might enjoy the press conference given by whistleblowers Binney, Tice, et al. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #70
Vindicated? Did the indictment get vacated? nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #2
No, but grantcart Jan 2014 #37
Have there been any indictments against War Criminals yet? sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #39
+1000 whatchamacallit Jan 2014 #41
I guess Eddie hasn't been vindicated then treestar Jan 2014 #65
I think we should prosecute no one until Bush is prosecuted! Free Bernie Madoff!!! nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #66
Unfortuantely, the acknowledgment does nothing to fix the problem. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #3
So Obama owes Snowden a solid for a heads up on the spying agencies Rex Jan 2014 #4
I don't think anyone mimi85 Jan 2014 #22
I never noticed him asking for shit. He exposed crimes he witnessed that is the duty of any citizen sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #40
Alex Hamilton in your quote? HangOnKids Jan 2014 #74
Didn't the President say something about revising the NSA 3wks. before the Snowden leak? The Wielding Truth Jan 2014 #36
No one ever argued that the NSA didn't need reforms, even Senator Obama agreed JaneyVee Jan 2014 #5
That is the heart of the matter ksoze Jan 2014 #6
And here I thought that the Constitution is "heart of the matter". Wilms Jan 2014 #9
the Constitution is still the law of the land questionseverything Jan 2014 #26
Since this has been upheld dozens of times as Constitutional by the courts... ConservativeDemocrat Jan 2014 #30
Are you done lecturing me from the milquetoast center? Wilms Jan 2014 #33
+1 treestar Jan 2014 #64
That's what I thought also, that the violations of Constitutional Rights using 9/11 was the heart of sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #44
So you hate Obama too?!? Wilms Jan 2014 #53
That doesn't "vindicate" Snowden. Not hardly. n/t Lil Missy Jan 2014 #7
Why don't you care that Snowwald had pole dancers in his garage? Fumesucker Jan 2014 #8
I am delighted to read that headline. bvar22 Jan 2014 #10
Is there some sort of bat alert? BrotherIvan Jan 2014 #15
waiting for their talking points xiamiam Jan 2014 #16
Its like they have nothing else to do... Th1onein Jan 2014 #61
Wait, ProSense Jan 2014 #11
Yeah, how can it be both a PR stunt and vindication of Showden? randome Jan 2014 #19
Why can't it be both? Hissyspit Jan 2014 #25
Because Snowden isn't in favor of "modest reforms" ConservativeDemocrat Jan 2014 #31
You have cites to support that Snowden is in favor of no intelligence services at all for the US? nt Fumesucker Jan 2014 #34
Given all he's broadcast about how we collect from foreign countries TO those countries ConservativeDemocrat Jan 2014 #42
No cites? Fumesucker Jan 2014 #43
In other news, there are no "cites" ConservativeDemocrat Jan 2014 #49
LOL! Rex Jan 2014 #54
Got a link to this: 'He's told the Chinese ... He's told the Russians' I've asked sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #45
Sure, I'll be happy to google that for you... ConservativeDemocrat Jan 2014 #48
You mean he spoke to the press? We know that, that's what Whistle Blowers generally do. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #51
Are you seriously trying to say, Sabrina, that no one in China reads Chinese newspapers? ConservativeDemocrat Jan 2014 #58
When the NYT published the Pentagon Papers are you seriously saying that no one in Russia sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #60
He will get credit for it when he does it. zeemike Jan 2014 #21
'Nothing' came from Candidate Obama? Nothing? randome Jan 2014 #23
Nothing that concerns the topic. zeemike Jan 2014 #32
Have there been any indictments against War Criminals, Wall St Criminals, Torturers, people who lie sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #46
Sabrina, did you get a chance to watch the news conference by the other whistleblowers including JDPriestly Jan 2014 #72
Just saw this JDPriestly, thank you. I will listen to it. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #76
Yep mimi85 Jan 2014 #24
Recommended, for the headline alone. Autumn Jan 2014 #13
K&R LittleBlue Jan 2014 #20
hahahahahahaah! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #28
I don't care much for the word "vindicated", as it implies Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #29
Edward Snowden Vindicated.... rtracey Jan 2014 #35
Like Ellsberg, a thief like Ellsberg you mean? sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #47
Check the profile HangOnKids Jan 2014 #75
vinĚdiĚcate [vin-di-keyt] - to clear, as from an accusation, imputation, suspicion, or the like baldguy Jan 2014 #50
Making modest adjustments to NSA operational guidelines... gcomeau Jan 2014 #52
A lot of good that'll do him BeyondGeography Jan 2014 #55
The biggest changes will be to stop future "Snowdens" from getting access to sensistive data. DCBob Jan 2014 #56
So they're going to ask Eddie Progressive dog Jan 2014 #57
Yeah...And Our Politician's "Fidelity" To This Nation Is Underwhelming... WillyT Jan 2014 #59
Our politicians get elected because We The People Progressive dog Jan 2014 #63
We need more Snowdens, Mannings, and whistle blowers to get "transparency" and action. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #67
K & fucking r! n/t wildbilln864 Jan 2014 #68

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
12. Drudge?..... really?
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 01:36 PM
Jan 2014

Get your opinions there every morning?
.
.
.
Not that there is anything wrong with that.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
17. Sorry. I don't do Drudge.
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 02:06 PM
Jan 2014

But the fact that you do Drudge, and recommend that others do Drudge,
explains a lot.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
18. It's not about doing Drudge. LMAO
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 02:11 PM
Jan 2014

It's about mocking that libertarian piece of SHIT and all who agree with him.

I go there to gawk and laugh.

You should try it...it's fun.

He's very stimulated by Snowden as are most of his libertarian cohorts.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
69. I bet most libertarians also love ice cream and our Constitution and sunny days and Sundays
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 04:40 AM
Jan 2014

in the park and, and, and.

Just because most libertarians love something doesn't mean it is bad. Some things most libertarians love would be abhorrent to most Democrats. But that doesn't mean that all things libertarians love would be abhorrent to most Democrats.

We can't dismiss something as bad just because most libertarians would love it.

That is illogical. Boolean circles. Some things Libertarians love, Democrats love to. The circles may overlap.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
38. No self respecting Democrat would ever give a click to that blog. Is it still going?
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 04:33 PM
Jan 2014

Last edited Fri Jan 17, 2014, 05:28 PM - Edit history (1)

So Drudge likes dogs, Willy likes dogs ..... I know that must mean something ....

Here's another one.

Cali, you should check out what Sara Palin has to say about Snowden, and Rep. Peter King ..... put it this way, they are not fans.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
62. Nailed it in Post #1
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 04:02 AM
Jan 2014

Well done. You got the screamers immediately screaming. Not that they ever, ever, EVER seem to stop...

Though a loud number here screamed that the folks that didn't think Snowden pissed wine were "in the minority," it has been proven over and over and over again that in fact they are the ones not in touch with majority opinion. Snowden has never cracked higher than low 50s in terms of support and recent polls have the number of people who do not support or approve of his actions GROWING. And that's not just in the United States but around the world where his revelations have damaged relations between many countries. Hell even in Russia, he barely cracked 50% support and that was AFTER his 'Putin is a humanitarian' song and dance.

The waaaaay out there fringe will call you an "NSA apologist" but all you have to do is look at the folks doing the name calling to know that if THEY have a problem with what you're saying, you must be saying something true.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
37. No, but
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 03:40 PM
Jan 2014

The only documented case of protocol abuse was ES and that abuse proved reform is necessary.


sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
39. Have there been any indictments against War Criminals yet?
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 04:37 PM
Jan 2014

I haven't seen any so I guess that means they did nothing wrong.

The indictments against Whistle Blowers are a stain on this country.

The lack of indictments against War Criminals, Chiefs of Intel who lie to Congress, torturers, corrupt Wall St bankers are also a stain on this country.

Maybe when the rule of law is re-established we will see investigations of the crimes exposed by Whistle Blowers rather than of the messengers.

But for now, I don't expect anything to change. Well we did for a while. But now we know better.

treestar

(82,361 posts)
65. I guess Eddie hasn't been vindicated then
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 08:41 AM
Jan 2014

and never will be until there are indictments against Bush.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
3. Unfortuantely, the acknowledgment does nothing to fix the problem.
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 01:17 PM
Jan 2014

I did read the President's speech. I didn't much like it. Nothing in the speech led me to believe there will be any actual, serious, structural changes.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
40. I never noticed him asking for shit. He exposed crimes he witnessed that is the duty of any citizen
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 04:40 PM
Jan 2014

especially when they are committed against the Constitution of the US. Or were for them when Bush was caught also, that would at least be consistent. I was outraged when we learned, from another Whistle Blower, that Bush's gang were spying on the American people. I'm still outraged that Bush's gang is, first of all, still running things in our Intel community and still spying on the American people.

The Wielding Truth

(11,396 posts)
36. Didn't the President say something about revising the NSA 3wks. before the Snowden leak?
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 03:40 PM
Jan 2014

I thought he said something like that in his speech today.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
5. No one ever argued that the NSA didn't need reforms, even Senator Obama agreed
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 01:21 PM
Jan 2014

It was more about HOW Snowden decided to do so.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
9. And here I thought that the Constitution is "heart of the matter".
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 01:27 PM
Jan 2014

I wish I weren't so stupid.

questionseverything

(9,538 posts)
26. the Constitution is still the law of the land
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 03:11 PM
Jan 2014

maybe it is stupid to hold on to a dream of a free people governing ourselves but i am proud to be in that "stupid" club with you

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
30. Since this has been upheld dozens of times as Constitutional by the courts...
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 03:15 PM
Jan 2014

...the Constitution has nothing to do with it.

Seriously, guy. It's one thing to argue for a change in policy. It's quite another to pointing at some law you don't like and screaming Zzomyghaaawd Unconsitutionalllll!!!!!111!!!1 Based on absolutely no actual understanding of the Constitution.

You end up sounding like... well, if not exactly "stupid", more like Teabagger screaming about the ACA. The ACA, by the way, was dinged by the Supreme Court more than the NSA's activities ever have (and honestly, not that I completely agree with Justices about the hunks they took out of the ACA, but at least I'm rational enough to know that they're the people who get to decide these things).

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
33. Are you done lecturing me from the milquetoast center?
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 03:31 PM
Jan 2014

Hardly the slam-dunk as you and other self-called Reality Based third waywards would like others to believe (even while you know better).

If you trust the government, Judge Pauley's the guy for you. If you don't, Judge Leon makes more sense.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/12/is-the-nsas-spying-constitutional-it-depends-which-judge-you-ask/282672/


Did the framers "trust" the government? No they didn't. And they set up reasonable restrictions.

We've had thirty-plus years of Conservative Democrats and Liberal Republicans. The only thing we have to show for it is a ruined economy and environment. THAT'S Reality.

"Zzomyghaaawd" is not what I said. Nor did I scream. I merely asked how the boot you're licking tastes.

treestar

(82,361 posts)
64. +1
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 08:37 AM
Jan 2014

The Constitution Card hardly works here. The FISA has been upheld. The laws Eddie violated are not unconstitutional. It's like yelling Benghaaaaaaziii!!!!!!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
44. That's what I thought also, that the violations of Constitutional Rights using 9/11 was the heart of
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 04:54 PM
Jan 2014

the matter going back to when they began under Bush.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
8. Why don't you care that Snowwald had pole dancers in his garage?
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 01:26 PM
Jan 2014

Missing the forest for the trees again, I see.



bvar22

(39,909 posts)
10. I am delighted to read that headline.
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 01:34 PM
Jan 2014

Of course,
the usual defenders of the NSA will get all up in a smoke blowing tizzy trying to distort and deny.

(Man they get here FAST!
Its like they have nothing else to do.)


[font size=3]
Rampant Government Secrecy and Democracy can not co-exist.

Persecution of Whistle Blowers and Democracy can not co-exist.

Government surveillance of the citizenry and Democracy can not co-exist.

Secret Laws and Democracy can not co-exist.

Secret Courts and Democracy can not-co-exist.

Our Democracy depends on an informed electorate.


You either believe in Democracy,
or you don't.
It IS that simple.









DURec.



BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
15. Is there some sort of bat alert?
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 01:51 PM
Jan 2014

Absent on TPP threads--but making damn sure we know Snowden is a traitor, and Obama never said that, and...and...

It paints a very telling picture what the President's most ardent fans support. He should send out a memo that they're showing their hand and to quit it. Because Populism™

xiamiam

(4,906 posts)
16. waiting for their talking points
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 01:53 PM
Jan 2014

re how to backtrack ..wait for it is right..and it will be the same message echoed by all of them

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
61. Its like they have nothing else to do...
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 03:39 AM
Jan 2014

You notice that, too? I'm VERY bad at remembering names, and even worse at remembering screen names. But I'm getting very familiar with these same screen names here, ALWAYS supporting the conservative view. I've heard some here say that they are here to disrupt us, and thus keep us from organizing and taking any action. Might be a good idea to put them all on Ignore.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
11. Wait,
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 01:35 PM
Jan 2014
In a major speech Friday on the future of the National Security Agency, President Barack Obama announced a series of modest reforms to the way the agency does business. While he was doing so, he also reluctantly acknowledged the secret surveillance programs that former NSA contractor Edward Snowden exposed needed changing.

...Greenwald says it's a PR stunt, which makes you wonder if he's just upset that this President will get credit for reforming the NSA.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
19. Yeah, how can it be both a PR stunt and vindication of Showden?
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 02:13 PM
Jan 2014

The wind is a fickle mistress, I guess.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Rules are made to be broken. Including this one.[/center][/font][hr]

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
31. Because Snowden isn't in favor of "modest reforms"
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 03:19 PM
Jan 2014

He's in favor of the U.S. not having any sort of intelligence service at all, and specifically joined U.S. intelligence to sabotage it.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
42. Given all he's broadcast about how we collect from foreign countries TO those countries
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 04:47 PM
Jan 2014

...this is a fairly inescapable conclusion.

He's told the Chinese how we monitor them. Told the Russians about monitoring telephone exchanges in Sweden. Told the Brazilians about our monitoring of Brazil. Tried to disrupt our alliance with Germany over this.

None of this has anything remotely to do with domestic intelligence, which is what his defenders hang their hats on. It's all about making our foreign intelligence services ineffective and not worth the money we spend on them.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
49. In other news, there are no "cites"
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 05:24 PM
Jan 2014

...that say Governor Christie is at all vindictive. In fact, he is clearly on record of saying multiple times he is not. So therefore he isn't, QED.

(In case the sarcasm is beyond you, Fumesucker, some people judge others based on their behavior. Not just what they say.)

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
45. Got a link to this: 'He's told the Chinese ... He's told the Russians' I've asked
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 04:57 PM
Jan 2014

multiple times for a link to prove these assertions and am still waiting, perhaps you can provide it for us. Thanks in advance.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
48. Sure, I'll be happy to google that for you...
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 05:20 PM
Jan 2014

Here's BusinessInsider quoting the SCMP:

And, while he hangs out in a "safe place," Snowden is now sharing more U.S. intelligence secrets with the Chinese (and world) through the South China Morning Post.

According to the SCMP, Snowden has documents showing how the U.S. has systematically targeted and hacked computers in Hong Kong and mainland China.

These attacks included:

"Extensive hacking of major telecommunication companies in China to access text messages"
"Sustained attacks on network backbones at Tsinghua University, China’s premier seat of learning."
"Hacking of computers at the Hong Kong headquarters of Pacnet, which owns one of the most extensive fibre optic submarine cable networks in the region"

Although it's probably healthy for Americans to be reminded that their government does many of the same things that people accuse China of doing, it's hard to argue that these new leaks help America.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/snowden-gives-us-secrets-to-chinese-2013-6

On second thought, I'll let you google the rest. That took me literally ten seconds to do, and I think you should get acquainted with web searching as well - especially for things you don't want to believe.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
51. You mean he spoke to the press? We know that, that's what Whistle Blowers generally do.
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 05:27 PM
Jan 2014

YOU implied that he spoke to the Chinese and Russian Governments. I've googled and googled and have never found a shred of evidence to support that. Your link merely states that he spoke to the press.

As for where he is, the US reissponsible for Snowden being in Russia. He had no intentions of being there, but the US, for some inexplicable reason PREVENTED him from leaving Russia by removing his passport, which was merely a stopover on his way to somewhere else.

Why do you think the US Government wanted Snowden in Russia if there was any fear of the Russians gaining access to any info he has? That would seem to be a very stupid thing to do, wouldn't it?

A lot of people have been asking about that. Got any ideas?

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
58. Are you seriously trying to say, Sabrina, that no one in China reads Chinese newspapers?
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 07:02 PM
Jan 2014

Or that there are no members of the Chinese government actually embedded inside Chinese news organizations?!?

If, in WW2, some version of Snowden had told the NAZI Newspapers all about the Enigma machine, but not the German Government, do you imagine this would make any difference at all in his trial for treason?

Snowden gave the Chinese Government information about our Top Secret actionable intelligence methods and activities that they quite likely did not know before. They he told lots of other people as well is not some point in his favor.

You wanted an example. You have it. If you refuse to acknowledge it, this is because you refuse to acknowledge fact. Period.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
60. When the NYT published the Pentagon Papers are you seriously saying that no one in Russia
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 11:43 PM
Jan 2014

or Vietnam read those exposures? But Ellsberg didn't go to the Russian Govt or to the Vietnamese he went to the press.

And the Press published his revelations. And if you want to know what the SC had to say to those who accused of him 'endangering this country' then go check out their decision. It's very interesting.

Again, where is the evidence of Snowden going to the Chinese Govt or Russian Govt? I still haven't seen it.

I can't believe you are equating the press with governments. That really is a stretch. Even the US Government haven't made that claim.

And you never answered my question re why the US Government forced Snowden to remain in Russia? Why would they do that if they were worried about him revealing stuff to the Russian Govt or to the Russian Press for that matter?

Still can't get any answers, but I am patient, I can wait.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
21. He will get credit for it when he does it.
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 02:47 PM
Jan 2014

Not for what he says, because he said a lot of things to get elected and nothing ever came of it.
I am nor from Missouri but show me.

K&R for the OP.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
23. 'Nothing' came from Candidate Obama? Nothing?
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 03:05 PM
Jan 2014

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
32. Nothing that concerns the topic.
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 03:21 PM
Jan 2014

We still have Gitmo, and torture, and wars with no end in sight, and a survallence state that the Sazi would love to have had...the most whistle blowers prosecuted of any president and no prosecution of banisters that robbed this country blind...and a promise to pass the TPP to complete the takeover of the country by corporate interest.
But I am sure you can find something he did that will negate all of that other stuff.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
46. Have there been any indictments against War Criminals, Wall St Criminals, Torturers, people who lie
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 04:58 PM
Jan 2014

Congress, ANYTHING that might demonstrate we are operating under the rule of law?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
72. Sabrina, did you get a chance to watch the news conference by the other whistleblowers including
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 04:43 AM
Jan 2014

Binney and Tice?

Here is the link.

http://new.livestream.com/accuracy/nsa-rebuttal/videos/39824993

If you haven't watched it, it is long but worth listening to.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
20. K&R
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 02:30 PM
Jan 2014

Just to shove it in the faces of authoritarian lovers.

B-b-but Snowden chose Russia... er pole dancing derp

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
28. hahahahahahaah!
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 03:13 PM
Jan 2014

PUHLEASE!

He did more...much more...than whistleblow...

OH and by the way...the WHOLE world spies on the other leaders...THEY are NOT covered under the FISA court. You can bet Angela Merkel is spying on everyone else too..

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
29. I don't care much for the word "vindicated", as it implies
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 03:14 PM
Jan 2014

the job is finished and the battle over....

I'm still anxious to connect the pieces to a wider scope of the story....By design the entire story has been kept pretty narrowly focused up until now...

As far as I'm concerned, this is merely the end of chapter one.....

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
50. vinĚdiĚcate [vin-di-keyt] - to clear, as from an accusation, imputation, suspicion, or the like
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 05:25 PM
Jan 2014

Seems poor Eddie has not been "vindicated".

 

gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
52. Making modest adjustments to NSA operational guidelines...
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 05:35 PM
Jan 2014

....does not "vindicate" all the things Snowden has pulled. What a ridiculous headline.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
56. The biggest changes will be to stop future "Snowdens" from getting access to sensistive data.
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 06:11 PM
Jan 2014

The rest of it is tweakage.

Progressive dog

(6,779 posts)
57. So they're going to ask Eddie
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 06:31 PM
Jan 2014

to come home and give him a medal.
I don't think so.

"our nation’s defense depends in part on the fidelity of those entrusted with our nation’s secrets."

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
59. Yeah...And Our Politician's "Fidelity" To This Nation Is Underwhelming...
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 11:26 PM
Jan 2014
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


That's how I see it.


Progressive dog

(6,779 posts)
63. Our politicians get elected because We The People
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 08:35 AM
Jan 2014

vote for them.
That's in the Constitution, too, but the states got to decide who voted. They left out women, slaves, and even white men who were poor.
Snowden violated laws, that were written in the manner prescribed in that Constitution, now he has fled to escape justice.
Eddie remains an admitted felon under US law.





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