Liberal Gun club has 1000 members

[Liberal_in_LA]

Liberals find comfort level in 'NPR of gun clubs'





http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Liberals-find-comfort-level-in-NPR-of-gun-clubs-5107330.php


Marlene Hoeber is feisty, tattooed, transgender, a self-described feminist, a queer activist - and a crack shot with her favorite "toys," guns of just about every kind.

One thing she's not - and proud of it - is a member of the National Rifle Association.

"We make ourselves a special place where we don't have to hear about the 'Kenyan Muslim socialist' in the White House," said Hoeber, a biotech equipment mechanic who says she's politically "somewhere around Emma Goldman," the turn-of-the-20th century anarchist.

Instead, Hoeber - whose array of firearms includes an M1 carbine rifle from World War II and a custom-made .44-caliber pistol - and other left-leaning gun lovers have their own organization: the Liberal Gun Club.

[HERVEPA]

1. Yuck. Just Yuck.

Nice to get a little gun porn in there with the picture.

[Eleanors38]

113. Don't like this thread? Alert on SOP.

[HERVEPA]

114. Just because it disgusts me doesn't make it alertable, as I'm sure you know.

[Dawson Leery]

2. Also, we don't want to be around the deranged, end timer/survivalist kooks*.

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Liberals-find-comfort-level-in-NPR-of-gun-clubs-5107330.php

*those who believe that moderates/liberals/intellectuals/religious, racial minorities, etc are the enemy who must be literally destroyed.

[Liberal_in_LA]

3. oops. thanks for the link

[Eleanors38]

122. 600+ comments at sfgate link. Feisty gun-toting lefties.

[CreekDog]

131. shows how little you know about SFGate

SFGate commenters are notorious right wingers.

[Eleanors38]

134. Ha! Sfgate publishes for the benefit for RW commenters.

[CreekDog]

135. no they don't but i'm not surprised you've missed the point yet again

to the guy with a screen name honoring Eleanor Roosevelt's gun.

not Eleanor Roosevelt, but her gun.

because you miss the point. you mistake the thing of value for a thing of lesser value.

[Eleanors38]

139. Take it elsewhere, Creekdog

[bowens43]

4. they may belive that they are liberals and left leaning...but they are not

[HERVEPA]

5. Exactly!

[Ranchemp.]

12. Why?

Why can't you be a liberal and own firearms? Or belong to the Liberal Gun Club?

[nightscanner59]

53. Thank you! First voice of reason. One can support a fair second amendment right without

being a RWNJ. I'll never again have anything to do with NRA, and I don't keep assault rifles, I see nothing wrong with collecting them, target practice if someone likes that sort of thing. Myself, a few hunting rifles and hunting grounds near my home, am considering opening (probably the country's first) gay and gay friendly hunting camp in the U.S in my retirement years at home.. I live near trophy elk area, active in protecting the wildlife, which by neccessity includes pre-winter kill hunting. Hunting seasons are far more humane than running across winter starvation of overpopulated species. I'm very much a wolf protector, actively work towards local people not hunting them as they are just at the start of restoration, and we finally are seeing the rabbit population get back in check.
Please, fellow liberals, yes you can be pro-safe and sane gun use and totally liberal at the same time. If you have PETA-like ideas about the wilds, I'm the nature guide who can teach you how things really are. All part of which is keeping the RW gun nut jobs in check too! I support a system of VERY THOROUGH background checks on anyone buying firearms, and absolute hate the "ARM ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE" garbage the NRA spiels.

[quaker bill]

90. The fastest path to gun control

is to let conservatives know that liberals are buying them and getting good at using them...

[Eleanors38]

112. Text of a lib gun group sticker:

"Liberals Don't Want Your Guns.
We Got Our Own."

[upaloopa]

152. Your justifications salve your soul not mine.

You contribute to our insane gun culture.
You contribute to the gun lobby that prevents the passing of regulations aimed at reducing gun violence by your gun purchase and use.

[el_bryanto]

7. That's right - because this is the ONLY issue that matters

You can't be a liberal and not agree on this issue.

Bryant

[Shandris]

16. You tell 'em!

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It's much better for an unarmed transgendered person to be beat to death for the unspeakably horrific crime of existing than it is to own a gun!

Some people...

(Sarcasm self-evident)

[seveneyes]

18. Says who?

Is there as purity police force somewhere enforcing such a thing?

[Blanks]

35. They're all around. You don't have to look very far. eom

[Aerows]

37. I'm not one to tell another liberal that they are not a liberal

but I think they can figure it out for themselves. Hmmph.

[Eleanors38]

115. Some here believe guns emit a "force field."

[Paladin]

121. Guns are far more sentient to pro-gun militants than they are to gun control advocates. (nt)

[Eleanors38]

123. That explains why my .38 keeps laughing at me at the range.

[Paladin]

124. Deny it ammo for a week, see if that brings it into line..... (nt)

[Eleanors38]

140. Well, if it were a .22 that would certainly be the case.

[former9thward]

22. Who appointed you captain of the liberal purity police?

[Aerows]

38. I'd like to know this

I'm curious.

[bvar22]

27. ?

Looks like he has done this a few times.

[Revanchist]

32. Well to be fair there seems to be a lot of people on this site who

don't consider him a liberal either.

[HERVEPA]

52. Well, maybe because he isn't.

[Aerows]

49. Clearly he isn't a liberal. n/t

[Katashi_itto]

29. Gosh yes! I own several guns and thought I was a hardcore Liberal..Thank you! for waking me!!!

All those wasted years of hating the NRA, Republicans teabaggers when all along I should been hating you!

Sob...all those liberal causes I've wasted years on When I could have attended NRA meetings...


Sob...I'm to broken up to write further...gonna go off and polish my guns

[skydive forever]

74. I couldn't agree more

I've been called a looney liberal for years by pretty much anyone who knows me. Just today I had to go by the gun shop and of coarse FOX was on the TV. Just gritted my teeth and got what I needed.

[Katashi_itto]

79. :)

[Demo_Chris]

106. You need to lose any swords you might have as well...

just in case.

[Katashi_itto]

107. OMG, my swords too? True true, cant be liberal and own swords

[Eleanors38]

116. Lost my hunting knife last week. Does that count?

[progressoid]

31. members are generally "consistently left of the contemporary Democratic Party"

"If I walk into a gun store with an Obama T-shirt - which I wouldn't wear, because he's too conservative - I don't fit," joked Eric Wooten, a longtime California Democratic Party activist and member of the Liberal Gun Club.

Sounds like my Dad. He's been a Democrat and liberal for 60 years. And he's a gun owner.

[X_Digger]

36. Oh look, the arbiter of what is and isn't a liberal has spoken.

Your opinion is worth every penny you were paid for it.

[Hoyt]

44. My bet - most Gungeoneers are not member of this group, but are an NRA member or supporter too cheap

to pay dues.

[X_Digger]

46. You can find many GCRBKA posters on the LGC forum, same usernames.

Feel free to compare, Hoyt- it'd be nice to have you actually investigate something *before* spouting an opinion on the subject.

Hope springs eternal.

[Aerows]

51. I'm delighted to see

them post their opinions.

And then I say "as if I care".

[Lizzie Poppet]

59. What a steaming load.

I'm liberal and way, way more than left "leaning." I'm also a gun owner. Deal with it.

Being anti-gun is not a requirement for embracing liberalism...at least not to anyone with the slightest clue about what liberalism actually entails.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

67. And lemme guess, the Pink Pistols aren't real GLBT either.

[Yo_Mama]

78. Why do you say that?

Do you believe you can't own a gun and be left in politics? Really?

[Pretzel_Warrior]

86. you are catching flack, but I AGREE!!! In today's world of gun violence

you cannot be so-called left leaning and be advocating hanging out in gun clubs. sorry....just not possible.

[Eleanors38]

118. Hubert Humphrey would disagree. But you know better.

[Ranchemp.]

144. Of course he's catching flack,

because everything he said is bullshit.
And, BTW, you can be a liberal and be hanging out at gun clubs, just ask Rachael Maddow, Big Ed Shultz, and the millions of other liberals who belong to gun clubs.

[LionsTigersRedWings]

125. So owning a gun makes you a righty?

hmm..

[Gravitycollapse]

138. They definitely are left-wing, despite your claim.

Whether or not you agree with them is independent of the fact that they are truly left-wing.

[ScreamingMeemie]

142. Says you...

You have a "bow" in your user name. Therefore, you must not be liberal either. That's a weapon after all.

[PowerToThePeople]

147. +1000. n/t

[NaturalHigh]

6. I don't understand why some people think liberals can't own guns.

[Dawson Leery]

8. In Vermont, gun ownership trancends the traditional lines.

[Go Vols]

10. Here too.

[AtheistCrusader]

55. Washington state is solid blue, but we're a pretty pro-gun state.

Legalized silencers last year even.

[Lizzie Poppet]

62. Same here south of the Columbia!

My circle of friends is almost exclusively liberal, and often radically so (a good few of my positions on some issues are radically left enough to be against the TOS here...). A very large percentage own firearms. It's var from uncommon, even here in downtown Portland.

[iandhr]

69. Yup

I went to summer camp in Vermont and college at UVM.


I know it well.

[Hoyt]

43. Owning a gun or two is one thing. Promoting them, accumulating them, supporting Stand Your Ground

laws, toting them in public, cheering when another million are sold every month, standing by when NRA actively attempts to defeat Democrats, etc., ain't liberal.

[ElboRuum]

54. Soooo...

...what about the Liberal Gun Club, in your estimation, "ain't liberal"?

[AtheistCrusader]

57. LGC is a non-NRA alternative group.

Personally, I'd like to see it grow, and the NRA shrink.

[Hoyt]

81. Are you a member?

[AtheistCrusader]

88. Not of either, but I could see joining LGC. I know a couple people who are.

I currently don't belong to any clubs or groups of any sort.

[spin]

87. That's a lot like saying that all a handyman needs is two screwdrivers. ...

A flat blade and a Phillips.

[Hoyt]

92. Spin, if you aren't hunting diverse game, I see no reason for a bunch of different guns

for shooting people. Of course there are some in Gungeon who have a gun for shooting people fleeing a hurricane, clearing a room, home invasion by 50 marauders, and other unlikely paranoid scenarios.

All those guns just pollute society.

[spin]

98. First I don't go around shooting people and hope that I never have to use a firearm ...

to stop an attack from an individual who intends to put me in the hospital or six feet under and has the capability to do so.

I use my firearms for target shooting. I don't even hunt as I have no interest in killing unless absolutely necessary and I still have enough money to buy my meat at the grocery store. (Note: I have no problem with those who do hunt, I merely have not interest in that shooting sport.)

Most people who target shoot handguns as I do have a least two handguns. Usually a target grade .22 caliber semi-auto pistol and the other a target grade .45 automatic. Competitive shooters often have two each in case a weapon fails during a match.

If you know people who enjoy golfing you will often find them trying out a new putter. People who enjoy shooting will often see or read about a new firearm and buy one to see how well it performs in their hands.

People who enjoy one type of target shooting may decide to participate in a different shooting sport. For example a handgun shooter may decide to buy a rifle to target shoot with or a shotgun for skeet or trap shooting. Perhaps a person will get interested in Cowboy Action Shooting which is a growing very popular sport where wear Old West costumes and use firearms common in those times.

Cowboy Action Shooting

Cowboy Action Shooting (CAS, also known as Western Action Shooting, Single Action Shooting, or Cowboy 3-gun) is a competitive shooting sport that originated in Southern California, USA, in the early 1980s. Cowboy action shooting is now practiced in many places with several sanctioning organizations including the Single Action Shooting Society (SASS), Western Action Shootists Association (WASA), and National Congress of Old West Shooters (NCOWS), as well as others in the USA and in other countries.

***snip***

CAS requires competitors to use firearms typical of the mid-to-late 19th century: single-action revolvers, lever action rifles chambered in pistol calibers, and side-by-side double barrel shotguns (also referred to as Coach Guns – with or without external hammers, although automatic ejectors are not allowed), or pump-action shotguns with external hammers (similar to the Winchester 1897). Winchester 1887 lever-action shotguns and Colt Lightning slide-action rifles are also legal. Both original and reproduction guns are equally acceptable. All CAS handguns must be "single action", meaning that the hammer must be manually cocked before each shot can be fired.[1]

Competition in a CAS match generally requires four guns: two period revolvers, a shotgun, and a rifle chambered in a centerfire revolver caliber of a type in use prior to 1899. Some CAS matches also offer side events for single-shot "buffalo rifles", derringers, etc. Replica firearms are available from companies such as Ruger, Colt, Uberti, Pedersoli, Chiappa, Pietta, Armi San Marco and U.S. Fire Arms Mfg. Co.[1]...emphasis added

***snip***

Competitors are required to wear an Old West costume of some sort. Safety glasses and hearing protection must be worn when shooting. Depending on the standards of the sanctioning organization, clothing may be historically accurate for the late 19th century or may just be suggestive of the Old West. Some might even dress like a character in a western B-movie, such as Hopalong Cassidy or a television series like Gunsmoke.[1] In SASS-sponsored Wild Bunch shooting, the required dress is military clothing of the early 20th century, Western clothing typical of that time (such as that worn in The Wild Bunch) or Mexican period dress.[8]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboy_Action_Shooting

Now perhaps your advice of owning no more than two firearms would work for someone who has no interest in the shooting sports and merely wants a firearm for home defense.

I feel the choice on how many firearms a responsible gun owner can legally own should be up to him.

[Blue_Tires]

9. Anything that keeps them out of the NRA, I'm in favor of...

Extra credit for those who know how to *not* shoot innocent minorities walking in residential areas...

[democratisphere]

11. It's OK to be a liberal and support the Second Amendment and own a gun(s).

Incidentally, I do not own a gun.

[Ranchemp.]

13. +1000. eom

[onehandle]

15. It's ok to be a liberal and own a gun, but the Second Amendment has nothing to do with that.

It was purposely misinterpreted for political reasons.

[NutmegYankee]

61. I have a bridge for you to buy. nt

[Duckhunter935]

17. Yep nt

[petronius]

20. I agree - gun ownership and a pro-2A/RKBA position is completely compatible

with a left/liberal/progressive/Democratic perspective.

(Noting your post count, I was going to say "Welcome to DU!" - but I see I missed the boat on that one. So, "Happy DU Birthday!" instead... )

[Kingofalldems]

21. Would you say it's not OK for a liberal to be an NRA supporter?

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[democratisphere]

24. It's OK to be a liberal and support the Second Amendment and own a gun(s) while....

NOT belonging to the NRA.

[AtheistCrusader]

58. At best I think it unwise.

The NRA does give money to pro-gun Democratic candidates, but not in comparable amounts of money, to what it gives pro-gun Republican candidates.

So as a left-of center individual of any stripe, I think it's counter-productive to give the NRA money. (at best)

[Lizzie Poppet]

66. I'd say it would certainly be damned difficult.

The NRA has become, in many ways, an affiliate of the Republican Party (at least if their patterns of political support/contributions are any indication). So while it might be at least theoretically possible for a liberal to ignore that and focus solely on that organization's gun rights policies, I think it would take one hell of a set of blinders.

[Are_grits_groceries]

14. So liberals can't own guns?

Who made this rule?

I think it's fine for a liberal to own guns. They need to know and use gun safety, register them, and not act the fool with them.

If owning a gun disqualifies people from being liberals, then somebody has run off the rails with their ideology IMO.

[Duckhunter935]

23. I guess some do not agree

with the Democratic part platform.

[tridim]

19. Just as with Hunter S. Thompson's gun fetish...

I simply don't get it.

[Egalitarian Thug]

47. What's to get? It's fun. Shooting is a skill, it takes years of practice to become excellent at it.

And it's a sport you can partake in your whole life, barring a very few disabilities.

Personally, I love the smell of powder.

[LittleBlue]

25. There are loads of progressives who own guns

I don't see it as a left vs right issue

[otohara]

28. Loads - Hmmm...Never Met One

in my 60 years on the planet.

Don't want to know one, never hope to meet one.
And I especially don't want girls, women, children to be around one, liberal or not!

[X_Digger]

39. Ahh, "BEIKVFM"* rears it's head..

"But Everyone I Know Voted For McGovern!"

Your experiences, no matter how long you've lived, are not representative, much less exhaustive, of the totality of experience.

And blatantly averting your gaze so that you never will have such an experience kind of negates the whole thing, n'est-ce pas?

[Warren Stupidity]

42. All the liberals I know who were liberals at the time and able to vote

voted for McGovern. All of them. I'm sure there was an exception or two, somebody made a mistake, somebody was voting while drunk.

[X_Digger]

45. Umm, that thing flying above? That's the point, and I think it missed you. n/t

[Warren Stupidity]

48. I think you will find that the "liberal McGovern vote" was at or near 90%.

Just as you will find that "liberal gun control support" is at or near 90%.

Are there exceptions? Of course. Are they meaningful? No.

[X_Digger]

50. Yup, a solid swing and a miss. n/t

[otohara]

63. Nonetheless

this aging hippie gal has never known a gun owner and if I do meet one before I die...we won't be friends.

Hate the gun and have little respect for those who think they need one, unless you're out on the prairie and critters might
attack your chickens.

Would be terrified for my daughter, grand daughters, sister, gal-friends to date, live or marry a gun owner. The statistics are
just too frightening for the women/children associated with gun owners.

[Go Vols]

82. Do you ask every new person you meet

if they own a gun?
If not,its likely you would never know I have been a gun owner for over 40 years.

[otohara]

84. As A Matter Of Fact

I do.

And had I been smarter about guns when my son was little and spending the night at friends homes, I would never have allowed
him to be in homes with guns. He had a habit of calling me at 2AM wanting to come home - I would tell him to go back to the bedroom
because I feared even back then the parent might think there was an intruder in home and they'd shoot him. That happened recently in my state - guy shot his 14 year old step daughter who was sneaking back in the house.

He once was at a neighbors house and the mom left the kids in the home and as soon as she left - out came the guns.
I went down to get him , heard noises, looked in the window and saw three guns on the table. The kids were scurrying about to hide them before opening the door. He was never allowed in that house again.

Guns are dangerous, I don't want to be associated with anyone who feels the need to own one.

[Go Vols]

103. I guess that could happen

I have never seen it,and most that come to my house doesn't know a gun is there.

I raised 2 kids alone with loaded guns in the house and they never mentioned them to their friends and neither did I.

I would guess that people raised around guns correctly would have a more favorable opinion of guns in the home.

[Eleanors38]

119. Jesus, what a come-on line: "Gotta a big gun on you?"

[LittleBlue]

83. If you insist

I thought my anecdotal evidence would suffice for something this obvious, so instead I'll just post this:

In a 2008 exit poll 31% of Democrats had guns:

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/18/in-gun-ownership-statistics-partisan-divide-is-sharp/?_r=0

So without napkin math, that's tens of millions of Democratic voters who own guns.

[X_Digger]

91. According to some, they're not 'real democrats' (or somesuch inanity.)

I just don't get it, either.

[AtheistCrusader]

60. Children ok, sure, but the rest of that sounded a bit sexist there...

[otohara]

65. 94% of Women Who Die From Guns

are at the hands/guns that belong to their boyfriends, husbands, live-in's...

it's dangerous for women to be with men with guns. Sorry if the facts get in the way
of reality - that's usually the case with gun owners.

So very grateful my ex-hubby didn't
own a gun, he surely would have killed me.

[AtheistCrusader]

68. Fair point.

I was thinking more from an ownership standpoint, than your example.

Sadly, violence is a problem with or without a gun in the mix, but yes, guns are force multipliers.

[Straw Man]

109. And about 80% of all murder victims ...

... were killed by a family member, partner, or friend. It seems that it's dangerous to know people.

Try comparing the total number of women killed by gun-wielding boyfriends, husbands, etc. to the total number of women who live around guns and gun owners their entire lives yet remain unharmed. And be careful not to let those facts get in the way of your reality.

[otohara]

126. Happy Gun Talk

What ever it takes preserve our love affair with guns.

12,000 dead in a year is sickening and should be unacceptable - but it's just collateral damage.

[Straw Man]

128. You wanted facts.

I gave you facts. You don't seem to like them. Why is that?

12,000 dead in a year is sickening and should be unacceptable - but it's just collateral damage.

And yet the numbers are trending down, despite record numbers of guns being sold in this country. How do you explain that?

[hack89]

132. We have cut our murder rate in half in the past 20 years

And the rate is still falling.

[Helen Highwater]

93. Sounds a lot like some who say they never met a gay person

Why would any rational person, even one who has lost a loved one to senseless violence, want to reduce the ability of millions and millions of decent law-abiding citizens to defend their families and themselves against a tiny number of loons bent on committing mayhem? How does making it more difficult for me to protect my family help to stop thugs and criminals, who happen to be among the most ardent "gun control" supporters in the country?

It's no mystery why thugs and criminals are staunchly for "gun control", they would LOVE
it if decent people were denied access to defensive guns...what is not easy to figure out is why any supposedly intelligent person regardless of political party or ideology would support efforts to reduce the right to self-defense that is probably the most salient and basic human right of all. Can someone who wants to limit my 2nd Amendment rights please answer this?

[otohara]

97. LOL

Your post screams "red-flag"!

[Helen Highwater]

100. Well, I'm still waiting for an answer.

I have no idea what red flag means...I'm not a Communist though.

[otohara]

101. Helen

most ladies don't talk guns like you do. You wouldn't come to DU and pretend to be a woman just to argue guns with someone like me would you?

red flag = troll

liberal = communist in troll land

[Jamaal510]

99. Ed Shultz. nt

[Duckhunter935]

102. Rachel Maddow

http://www.politicususa.com/2012/07/02/rachel-maddow-shoots-rights-myth-gun-hating-liberal.html

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/videos/rachel-maddow-at-the-westside-pistol-rifle-range-20120627

[Straw Man]

108. Wonder why.

Loads - Hmmm...Never Met One

in my 60 years on the planet.

Don't want to know one, never hope to meet one.
And I especially don't want girls, women, children to be around one, liberal or not!

Never met one? I'm not surprised, considering the pains you've taken to avoid them.

Sounds a lot like bigotry to me.

[otohara]

141. Just Terrified

and since my neighbor's normal 60 year old ex-husband decided to murder/suicide their only child (9 year old) two years ago, you just never know who is responsible and who is not. You should see her - she is a broken woman.

Why should I trust anyone with a gun considering how many are dead via the gun each and every year?

Besides, I live in CO - now when you go to a movie they tell you to look for the exit signs...just in case - a reminder of our mass shootings. Sad don't you think?

Better safe than sorry - I just don't want to know people who feel the need to own a gun. Hunters excluded, they seem to be on the up and up. But you never know when someone will snap in this hateful angry country.

I am thinking about gathering signatures to ban guns on our campuses. My husband is worried some gun nut might shoot me.

[Straw Man]

145. I'm truly sorry that you had to experience that tragedy ...

... and that your neighbors had to suffer it. Still, your experience is not even close to typical, and murder/suicides are quite possible without guns. See Japan as an example of that.

[ScreamingMeemie]

143. Loads of progressive "girls, women" own guns.

[Warren Stupidity]

26. Are these alleged liberals against reasonable gun control?

'cause if they are RKBA absolutists they really aren't liberals and are more likely "individual anarchists", a form of anarchism (today's modern rightwing libertarianism) that Emma Goldman despised.

[Duckhunter935]

33. I am sure they are for "reasonable" gun control

what ever that might be at this time. I have net meant anyone here that is not, even in RKBA or gungeon as some say. They just do not like bans and laws that will do nothing for gun safety some push.

[Warren Stupidity]

34. nah, the gungeon is full of rkba absolutists who cover their asses

by claiming they are "for reasonable gun control" but then pronounce every actual real world effort at gun control "unreasonable".

Sorry, that duck won't hunt.

[Duckhunter935]

41. you mean like

"Open up NICS for private sales"

"have a firearms license by type of weapon to allow purchase"

"include mental heath and criminal data in NICS to have good information for purchase decision"

"mandatory weapons training and storage rules

Among many others too numerous to list these are all from the gungeon on what they are saying to implement "reasonable" gun safety


Most there do not agree with bans and really bans based on cosmetic features and not function of the firearm. Most even have no big issues with magazine limits, just be logical when coming up with a number. Like what fits in the hand-grip of the pistol.

[beevul]

105. Nonsense.

There are no "rkba absolutists" on DU.

Sure, there are maybe 5-10 instances in ten years of posters who say there should be NO gun laws.

Other than that, no. But then, you already knew that, didn't you. You label anyone an " rkba absolutist" who disagrees with "gun control for the sake of gun control".

Misrepresentation of peoples positions, does not their position make.

On the other hand, there are many "turn off the spigot" "ban them all" types - the true extremists - on your side of the issue, who have in fact posted in the protected gun control forum and in GD on the gun issue, and they're welcomed with open arms...In spite of the party platform re:guns. I'll go out on a limb and guess you don't need cites for those, since you posted in many of the threads in which they did, and everyone that saw the huge gun threads after Newtown, they saw those posters and their posts too.


But you go ahead, keep telling everyone how those that agree with current laws but question the effectiveness of new proposals are "rkba absolutists", while ignoring extremists gun banners right here on DU who ignore completely the party platform on guns.

Its amusing.

[Straw Man]

136. Dogs hunt.

Sorry, that duck won't hunt.

Ducks get hunted.

[NutmegYankee]

64. Who says they are against reasonable gun control?

The problem with reasonable is it's a completely subjective term. What is reasonable to you may be unreasonable to them. And the nature of personal bias will make you often unable to tell if your position is unreasonable. You will generally always find YOUR position reasonable, even if a majority wouldn't.

[Warren Stupidity]

70. who says a question is an assertion?

And thank you for providing the obligatory gungeon mumbo-jumbo regarding reasonable gun control. It is always a hoot.

[NutmegYankee]

72. It's not mumbo-jumbo. It's reality.

The whole damn debate is over what is reasonable. In fact, just repeating "reasonable gun control" is like the Republicans saying "repeal and replace". They never say replace with what, and we never hear what is considered "reasonable".

It's just a buzz term. And there is no real debate on gun policy on DU. It all insults and talking past one another.

[Warren Stupidity]

73. no its wharggle-bharggle mixed with derp.

[NutmegYankee]

75. And you made my last point.

You have no interest in debate. Guess what - I'm a liberal and I own guns. I've been a Democrat all my life and have voted that way since I was 18. Deal with it.

[NYC_SKP]

76. LOL!

Nailed it.

I think the tiny but loud contingent who like to think they speak for the entire party are going to be overwhelmed by the reality of circumstances and 2A supporters become less intimidated and as more and more reject the Republicans.

Happy New Year.

[NutmegYankee]

77. And a Happy New year to you as well!

I always chuckle that I'm often farther to the left of many DUers on most social and economic issues, but because I disagree with them on this one issue, I'm suddenly some right wing nut.

[Electric Monk]

30. in a city with roughly 4 million peope, so about 1 in 4,000, give or take

[petronius]

40. That's ~1000 nationally. The article says about a dozen in the

Northern California chapter. It's a very small group, all in all...

[ileus]

56. We hit the range yesterday...

Not one word from anyone political...it was nice.

When we left there were 10 folks left, I gave our lane to a couple of new guys and headed home.

It's a donation range on National Forest land they just opened up a few weeks ago. Really nice now...concrete floors, new rests, Covered shooting rests and seating. Plus they graded the 100 yard range down about 5-10 degrees so it's a lot nicer to shoot now.

Really nice public range.

[iamthebandfanman]

71. 'Liberals' are prone to fear

and like to shoot things too apparently eh ?

tho, I think its a stretch to say someone who loves the idea of anarchy a 'liberal' (maybe a left libertarian) ...

anarchy and guns.. two insane things that definitely don't need to mix together.

[AtheistCrusader]

89. There are left and right anarchists.

And they don't like each other overmuch.

[spin]

80. I'm an older Democrat who comes from a long line of gun owning Democrats ...

I have enjoyed target shooting handguns for well over 40 years and have a small collection of firearms including a couple of bolt action rifles and a coach gun. I also have had a concealed weapons permit in Florida for the last 20 years.

While I do not support another useless assault weapons ban, I do favor improvements to our current gun control laws such as improvements to the NICS background check system and universal background checks on the sale of all firearms. I would like to see people required to show proof of firearm safety training when they purchase a firearm or ammunition.

Our party is supposed to be a big tent but I have watched our Party adopt a strong anti-gun position over the years. For this reason I have seen many people who are gun owners leave our party and become single issue voters who refuse to vote for good Democrats. This has cost us elections at the local, state and national level.

I often talk to gun owners about politics and it is surprising how many agree with me on many issues our party supports. Unlike the popular stereotype that I see posted here, most are not racist nor do they hate gays. Gun owners are not all conservative Christians and many are atheists or agnostics. Nor are they uneducated red necks. The majority that I have known have college educations or technical training and they usually hold well paying jobs or run their own business.

Of course I live in the gun friendly state of Florida. I worked in a highly technical industry in the Tampa Bay Area for 37 years before I retired. The majority of my co-workers owned at least one firearm in their home. A fairly high percentage had concealed weapons permits. Most of my neighbors were also armed. If you live in a gun unfriendly state with strong gun control laws, you might find meeting gun owners far rarer.

I find the propaganda from the NRA and other even more conservative gun groups such as the GOA increasingly vile so I support the idea of a Liberal Gun Club. I hope it catches on and grows in size to match the NRA.

[upaloopa]

153. Being a single issue voter when that issue is guns

You can leave the party as far as I am concerned. I don't buy that gunner scare card about losing elections if we don't give into your fetish.
Go ahead vote for the Koch Bros and the 1%. They will screw you with or without your guns.

[spin]

154. I have no intentions of leaving the party. ...

I will continue to point out to those Democrats who wish that other Democrats who own firearms would simply leave the party that the Democratic Party is supposed to be a big tent. You are suggesting that it should be a little tepee.

You and I may disagree on gun ownership but that doesn't mean that we disagree on many other important issues that our party supports.

I will also mention that many times at a number of ranges I have talked about political issues with fellow shooters. Most agree with me on many items but tell me that they would never vote for a Democrat as the Democratic Party is opposed to gun ownership and hopes to ban and confiscate all civilian owned firearms. This is totally false but I can't convince them otherwise.

There are an estimated 80,000,000 gun owners in this nation and many in their family enjoy using the owner's firearms. A high percentage of gun owners vote Republican because they are single issue voters and often the voting age members in their families do the same. That totals up to be a hell of a lot of votes that we lose because some in our party favor excessively strong gun legislation which does little to address the problem of gun violence in our nation.

This support for strong gun control has cost our party and our nation dearly. Many Democrats love to point out that All Gore lost the Presidency because of Florida. However Florida would have irrelevant had Al Gore won his home state of Tennessee.

THE 2000 ELECTIONS: TENNESSEE; Loss In Home State Leaves Gore Depending on Florida
By RICHARD PEREZ-PENA
Published: November 9, 2000

The cliffhanger in Florida could have been irrelevant had it not been for the disappointment in Tennessee.

If Vice President Al Gore had carried his home state, with its 11 electoral votes, on Tuesday, Florida alone would not have been decisive for Gov. George W. Bush of Texas.

***snip***

Major presidential candidates rarely fail to carry their states; rarer still is the candidate who loses his home state but wins the election.

***snip***

While Tennessee has moved to the right in national politics, Mr. Gore has moved to the left since his days as a congressman, particularly on issues like abortion and gun control that have put him at odds with many Southern voters. If he had not, Professor Geer said, ''He could still have carried Tennessee, but he would never have gotten the Democratic nomination.''
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/09/us/the-2000-elections-tennessee-loss-in-home-state-leaves-gore-depending-on-florida.html

The leadership of the Democratic Party continues to shoot itself in the foot over gun control. I felt our nation had an excellent chance to make some much needed improvements to our national gun control laws this year that would have made a difference and helped to reduce tragic gun violence. This opportunity was caused by the tragic massacre at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. Unfortunately the party overreached and pushed for another assault weapons ban. Consequently nothing was accomplished at the national level.

Many political experts predict the Democratic Party will lose control of the Senate in the upcoming midterm elections. If so, much of the loss can be blamed on the fact that our party overreached in a push for an assault weapons ban and it caused many single issue voters to show up at the polls to vote against good Democrats.

In my opinion gun control has been and will continue to be a ball and chain around the ankle of our party until we decide that bans and unreasonable restrictions on honest citizens is a good way to lose close elections in many states at the local, state and national levels.

There are many sensible and reasonable ways to improve our national and local gun laws that many gun owners will agree with and support. I suggest our party tries this approach.

You of course will strongly disagree. I will respect your opinion and consider your viewpoint fairly although I most likely will disagree with it. But unlike you I will never suggest that anyone should leave the Democratic Party over the gun control issue. The path for success of the party is not to throw people out over any single issue but to try to grow the party and welcome those we sometimes disagree with.

[madinmaryland]

85. Gun owning is fine, but NRA-spouting liberals are not liberals.

[Helen Highwater]

94. So their support of gun ownership is not the issue....?

What is, then?

[madinmaryland]

95. Welcome to DU. Do you support the NRA??

[B Calm]

120. The NRA is much more than that!

[muntrv]

96. I hope the number of liberals owning guns continues to grow. Then we'll see if the righties

really believe in the 2nd Amendment.

[Go Vols]

104. There are plenty of us now

I doubt we would have more than the R's tho.

[B Calm]

110. I have always owned guns.

Owning guns always seemed like a liberal idea to me.

[adavid]

117. I despise and .....

have never voted for any GOP creature. I cant stand anything that includes the words GOP, evangelical, right wing, republican, neocon, conservative, fox "news", AM hate radio, or anything similar.
Yet, I own 3 guns

[warrant46]

127. 800,000 Deer hunters in my state

Many of them are lifetime Union Democrats like everyone in my family.

Many in my family are scared to death that the Rich 1% are out to take their jobs and pensions away, move the jobs to Mexico and make them slaves or worse.

My Union family hates the uneducated white trash mislead by the NRA, the Koch Brothers that votes for scum like Romney, Ryan, Walker and others like them.

Most of our children are barely making it even with Bachelors Degrees, those who don't have degrees are bartenders, McDonalds crew leaders, fitness instructors and oil changers in lube shops. None of these jobs have a future like their parents

Most of my family including my sister are Veterans of one War or another who don't want to be disarmed by Nancy Pelosi and New York Bloomberg who talk trash are protected by their own private armies. It's quite difficult for most of them to understand why some democrats want to disarm America.

[RedstDem]

129. personally, I'm to the left of liberals

And support all ten amendments in the bill of rights, and the rest to boot!

[Tikki]

130. Let's start taxing guns and ammunition like cigarettes…a hefty tax can pay for the oops of...

responsible, law abiding gun owners who suddenly are not responsible, law abiding gun owners anymore…
..who are irresponsible with gun handling and storage, cause avoidable accidents and murder in the heat of
passion.

The effects of gun ownership is risky and can be dangerous to the health of living things
and does effect the tax payer's pocketbook when responsible gun owners stop being responsible.



Tikki

[hack89]

133. There is already a federal tax on guns and ammo

It currently funds environmental projects but it certainly can be diverted to other purposes.

[Tikki]

137. Assuming the federal funds from these taxes are fully implemented, I'm thinking further...

taxes on weapons and ammunition could help some of these communities hit with the financial repercussions of the issues I mentioned.


Tikki
ps maybe the reason some communities don't prosecute the owner/parent(s) who neglected their
weapon and caused death or injury is because it costs money to prosecute.

[NYC_SKP]

148. It's a good group, great and very smart people.

I'm proud to be a member there, under a different name.

Here's a link to one of their editorials recognizing this thread.

http://www.theliberalgunclub.com/2014/01/

Thanks for the cross-promotion.

[Liberal_in_LA]

149. wow. thx

[Hassin Bin Sober]

150. Kick

[upaloopa]

151. Tell me why I an supposed to feel better if a gunner

is a liberal? Does that mean their bullets are less dangerous?
Does that mean they are all good guys with guns and will never turn into a bad guy with a gun?
All this gunner propaganda is like the guys actions in Texas who just want to educate us so we are more comfortable around gunners with guns.
Fuck that shit! Why should we have to be comfortable around a bunch of paranoid fear motivated people who have a fetish for instruments of death?