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Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:36 PM

 

Are the Feminist / MRA Argument Threads a means to "Divide and Conquer" DU - POLL

Lets face it folks its run the gamete far beyond reasonable discussion

But I'm asking for your opinion


30 votes, 2 passes | Time left: Unlimited
YES - it is an absolute distraction from issue that will make up the 2014 Mid Terms
22 (73%)
MAYBE - because these are 2 fringe groups batteling it out
1 (3%)
PROBABLY NOT - They are acting immuture but have a Democrat agenda
0 (0%)
NOT AT ALL - These are the issues we are facing in 2014
5 (17%)
OTHER - I cringe at the thought of clicking on 1 of those threads
2 (7%)
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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:38 PM

1. No, I think liberals truly disagree

There are men who are liberal but still can't get laid and think this is because women have too many choices. This issue will go long past any particular election.

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Response to treestar (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:40 PM

4. You think its really about "Getting Laid"

 

I'm 56 and there are still plenty of options

just that most of them require way too much effort

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:44 PM

10. It's odd how much mature wisdom sometimes resembles being too tired to bother

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 06:24 PM

205. Yeah, exactly.

For example: being too tired to bother arguing in men vs. women threads can be chalked up to mature wisdom, in my opinion.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:00 PM

33. Relating to actual human beings in a meaningful way is like that.

Sorry.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 06:21 PM

201. Kodachrome...

 

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Response to treestar (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:41 PM

5. FFS

 

More of this bullshit. Its all about honest discussions being demolished by liberal men who can't get laid?

In a thread about the divisiveness, more lame divisiveness. Behold, an authority on the subject

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:18 PM

58. +100.5

 

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:30 PM

74. Well that is what I think MRA types usually are

Their comments lead me to believe they resent women because they don't get the best looking ones' attention.

Either that or maybe a bad divorce in which they felt it was unfair they had to pay their ex-wife child support or alimony.

They are just resentful over the situation. But they can still be liberals in their political opinions.

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Response to treestar (Reply #74)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:32 PM

76. And that's what you honestly feel is going on here on DU?

 

Honestly? Enough to utter it?

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Response to treestar (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:49 PM

100. Absolute Rubbish.

It's not about men who can't get laid. What it is about is about attacks made on men by certain people who seem to have an attitude that men are just supposed to accept those attacks without responding. If men respond, then the rhetoric is flung about with accusations of MRA, rape culture, the Patriarchy... etc, etc etc are made.

In other words men are just supposed to be "good little boys" who should accept their chastisement and punishment by "those who know better".

Well guess what, that is not happening.

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #100)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:53 PM

106. i do not believe that to be true. too often i have a good conversation, whether agreement or not is

 

had. to me, that is much more important.

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Response to treestar (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 06:08 PM

189. Is there really such tremendous desperation out there to get laid?

And what happens if someone doesn't get laid? lol This is soo crazy.

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Response to treestar (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 06:15 PM

195. Sorry, Tree, my girlfriends are smoking hot, highly sexual and liberal. They are also polite, kind,

 

and nurturing. They are feminine, and adorable.

That said, that's not all they are, they also believe in equal rights for women and have their own careers. They are strong willed and competitive, but compete in a feminine, not masculine, way.

In my view, there is no reason to be mean or rude to men who simply want to find out if you are a prospective partner. I think we can all agree to be verbally abusive to a shy guy who summons the energy to talk to a girl in a polite manner is hurtful.



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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #195)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 09:37 PM

355. Can you describe what the difference is between competing in a feminine way vs.

a masculine way?

"They are strong willed and competitive, but compete in a feminine, not masculine, way. "

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Response to PassingFair (Reply #355)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 09:38 PM

356. they were summer dresses as opposed to office suits? nt

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #356)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 09:45 PM

360. Ahhh...we forgot the SUNDRESSES!

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Response to PassingFair (Reply #360)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 09:52 PM

369. your laugh is infectious. nt

 

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Response to PassingFair (Reply #355)

Sun Dec 29, 2013, 07:11 PM

576. Sure

 

Iran pushes forward with their nuclear program:

Masculine response: "Let's bomb the shit out of those raghead islamo-facist motherfuckers! BoooYaaaaa!"

Feminine response: "Let's invite them over for a cup of tea so we can discuss what course of action would be best for their children."

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #576)

Sun Dec 29, 2013, 07:23 PM

578. Because clearly, this is a realistic example.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #195)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 10:29 PM

417. Masculinity and femininity are socially constructed ideals that should be deconstructed.

They are loaded with intended and unintended meaning and cloud higher understanding of what it means to be a human being with a personal identity, will and worth.

What genitalia you possess between your legs should have absolutely ZERO bearing on what you choose to do with your life.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #417)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 10:34 PM

424. hey...

 

i am so sorry. i was being snarky then lo and behold, i was you got a hide. sorry you got a hide.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #417)

Sun Dec 29, 2013, 06:51 PM

575. I thought they were biological.

 

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #575)

Sun Dec 29, 2013, 07:40 PM

579. Nope. Social constructs.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:40 PM

2. Feminist thought has a place on a liberal/Democratic message board...

MRA ideology does not.

It is pretty simple.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:42 PM

7. I seek truth - don't exclude any honest, truthfull discussion

 

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:43 PM

8. What IS MRA ideology?


?

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Response to sibelian (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:44 PM

9. Denying that you become enraged if a woman decides not to sleep with you

 

Not rec'ing a vaginal knitting thread. Not enjoying the front page of DU plastered in rape or abortion threads

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:47 PM

16. The hostility is just pouring out of your post.

You have a bizarre concept of what feminists think.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #16)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:48 PM

18. Many feminists have a bizarre concept of what everyone else thinks

 

I've read enough of DU to see people "step in it" over some pretty lame shit

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #18)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:54 PM

27. Um, I would venture to guess that DU consists of an overwhelming majority of feminists...

and supporters of feminist ideals.

This is just bizarre. Perhaps you would fit in better at some far rightwing site... they lurve themselves some knuckle dragging MRA types.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #27)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:56 PM

29. No, not overwhelming, in that no man can be a feminist

 

And yes, I made a gross generalization (sorry about that--I too am susceptible to the divisiveness). Feminists are not the problem--the movement has never has been anything but beneficial. There is a particular group of crap stirrers claiming to be feminists that start most of the problems. Most self identifying feminists are quite civil and great contributors on DU

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #29)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:05 PM

39. Yes, overwhelming.

There are, indeed, men here that refer to themselves as feminists.

Also, as crap stirrers go, perhaps you need a mirror. One of those three-way mirrors would be best.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #39)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:07 PM

43. No. NO man can be a feminist. The feminists movement entirely excludes men

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=14945


That was my first run in with this crew. That's also when I realized its not about feminism, but just being mean and divisive for the sake of divisiveness. No, its not about feminism at all--its about bullying.

"then divisive we stand"

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #43)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:10 PM

47. Please. bb is not the authority on The Feminist Movement.

Feminists have many opinions about whether men can be feminists.

However, that little derailing tactic is (of course) neither here nor there.

The FACT is, most men on DU support feminist goals. Most men here do not support antifeminists - on either side of the aisle.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #47)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:21 PM

60. "The FACT is, most men on DU support feminist goals."

 

And despite this, its like WWIII around here. What's your take on that?

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #60)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 08:17 PM

285. A few vocal men ...

 

and a bunch of women that call bullsh!t on those men.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #285)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 08:21 PM

290. So despite men here saying they support feminist goals,

it's fine to imply they're lying? What about the women here who support goals for all and yet are called horrible things by this same bunch of women? Is that fine, too?

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Response to polly7 (Reply #290)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 08:45 PM

316. I think you misread ...

 

misunderstood my post ... I am saying that there are a few very vocal men denying rape culture, male privilege, attempting to tell women what is and what is not sexism, etc., versus the women (and plenty of men) that support feminist goals is what has DU looking like WWIII.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #316)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 08:46 PM

318. "there are a few very vocal men denying rape culture, male privilege"

 

On DU? Where? Want to provide a link?

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #318)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 08:57 PM

325. Yes there are ...

 

can I produce a link? Yes I can; but I will trust that if you really were concerned/interested, you would use the DU Search feature ... Might I suggest entering the terms "male privilege" and/or "rape culture". While you're at it, try the term "white privilege" while you're not at it ... it should prove educational. Are you up to the challenge?

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #325)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 09:00 PM

328. No, I'm not up to the "challenge"

 

If you can back up the assertion, then cool. Otherwise, I don't intend to spend my holiday night in the gutter perusing rape threads for evidence of DUers promoting "rape culture".

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #328)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 09:10 PM

335. I did really think you were ...

 

doing so would put you on the wrong side of the issue.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024218190#post1

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #335)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 09:13 PM

341. What issue? What side? What side do you think I am on?

 

FFS. Its not college football. Look, I see bullying and mean people and I'm on a side against that. Take what you will from that. If I see people promote "rape culture"--which you claim but wont show me--I will certainly be against them as well

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #341)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 09:21 PM

349. Okay ...

 

I will not get dragged into a discussion that if you were sincere in your cluelessness about threads that you have been an active participant, you could easily resolve. It is a waste of my time.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #349)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 09:23 PM

350. Its hard to take the high road and be insulting at the same time, isn't it?

 

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #350)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 09:48 PM

364. Funny ...

 

You claiming the victim ... while imploring that someone raising the issue of women being attacked, not make women into victims.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #285)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 10:37 PM

430. .

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Response to redqueen (Reply #47)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 04:26 PM

136. I'm not!?

How dare you!!!! LOL

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Response to redqueen (Reply #47)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 09:42 PM

358. You might want to explain that to the 17 people who recommended the thread.

 

Including yourself, quelle surprise.

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #358)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 09:53 PM

370. Wow, 17 whole DUers agreed? Well hell, we should send a memo to the millions of other feminists

and let them know our leader hath spoken!


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Response to redqueen (Reply #370)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 10:10 PM

389. LOL..

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #358)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 10:02 PM

376. again lumberjack it was a thread of discussion, done in respect. not something to hide,

 

but a thread that had differing views that we were able to discuss respectfully. a phenomenon for many, i get that. but many people expressing how they viewed the subject and why they felt as they did.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #376)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:28 PM

466. The belief that men can't be feminists is a legitimate viewpoint, and is obviously widely held.

 

I'd argue that the belief that they shouldn't be is equally legitimate.

I think it's highly dishonest to say "Men can't be feminists? What kind of whacko must BB be, to believe such a thing?" when she's referring to a post that she herself recommended.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #43)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:11 PM

48. Not clicking your link, because it is more than likely shit-stirring for the sake of shit-stirring.

In my estimation, men can be feminists. Present company excluded, obviously.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #48)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:15 PM

53. No, its actually quite relevant

 

I think this link reveals where I am coming from in regards to this group and their stands. I have spent my entire life supporting the feminists agenda both in real life and via activism, and I immediately got bullied and tagteamed in a very harsh and embarrassing way by people proudly proclaiming their ability to be divisive. This is what men face on DU who are newcomers.

When I argue in a thread about feminism I am not arguing against feminism. I am not arguing for MRA. I am arguing against bullying by these people

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #53)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:23 PM

62. Still didn't read it.

Seems to me that you have some sort of persecution complex.

Honestly, a little bit of self-reflection goes a long way.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #62)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:25 PM

67. Don't tell me what I have by guessing. If I did the same to the HOFers, they'll jump all over my...

 

patriarchal, authoritative ass.


That is a link to a group of women embracing, quite explicitly, divisiveness and the exclusion of men. You have every right not to read it and remain ignorant to what is going on here at DU. But you have no basis to say a word about me in doing so. Thanks for playing.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #67)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:34 PM

81. Well, at least you admit that you are a patriarchal, authoritative ass.

(Not my words jury.) I guess the self-reflection worked.

And yet I STILL refrain from reading the link. Too bad, so sad.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #81)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:38 PM

84. Cheers for the sarcasm inept

 

And yet I STILL refrain from reading the link

If you aren't going to inform yourself, you should refrain from speaking out of ignorance to score points, or whatever your intention is. Good day.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #84)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:42 PM

89. Go sulk in the corner and suck your thumb because I won't...

play into your games.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #84)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:46 PM

94. Funny.

You're engaging the other poster. They are just lobbing pejoratives. Pretty telling.

This morning I auto trashed any thread with "Rape" in the title. Looks like "Feminism" (At least how 5-10 posters on DU define it) is next.

You have much more patience then I have.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #81)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 05:27 PM

167. he thinks it is a gotcha moment. i actually think it is a very good conversation about

 

people with differing views, not in agreement necessarily, yet able to discuss respectfully. there is an interesting argument to be made, and imo, not a right or wrong of it, but the ability to better understand. we have a lot fo men that post in hof. we have men that call themselves feminists. and we clearly state in that OP that in no way, would any of us feel the need to challenge a man that supports a womans voice, on calling himself a feminist.

that OP is not what he thinks it is. if one looks at a group in disdain, that is all he will see.

i on the other hand, very much listening to other voices, voices that held a different position. a position that i am not necessarily married to.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #48)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 06:02 PM

185. You should have clicked it before you said it 'more than likely shit-stirring for the sake of

shit stirring'. Iow, never comment on something you have not read. It can be embarrassing.

Just fyi, it confirms the point being made by your adversary. Is it shit-stirring, or not? Who knows, I think it is probably the sincere opinion of the OP but certainly not the opinion of most women. And everone is entitled to their opinion, but not to their own facts.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #29)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:26 PM

69. YES men can be feminists. Are you from the past?

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Response to Matariki (Reply #69)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:28 PM

71. The HOFers exclude all men as feminists. Am I to dismiss this as bullshit?

 

And if so, what else--from them--can I instantly dismiss as bullshit?

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #71)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:31 PM

75. What is a HOFer? And what are you talking about?

Can you back up what you are saying? With links?

Are YOU a feminist in your own opinion? Do you support women's rights?

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Response to Matariki (Reply #75)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:36 PM

83. History of Feminism

 

A protected group on DU where most of this stuff boils over into GD.

I posted this above regarding the "men can't be feminist"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=14945



Are YOU a feminist in your own opinion?

I used to think so. They claim I can't be due to what wedding tackle I was born with, quite divisively

Do you support women's rights?

Without question.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #83)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:42 PM

90. Thanks for the link

I don't agree with that sentiment at all, but I understand the frustration the poster was expressing. I've known many men who either identify themselves at feminists or hold views that could easily be called feminist. I think the vast number of men on DU support women and the issues we are trying to deal with. I have to say, many of your posts come off as very hostile to women. It could be that you are just reacting to perceived insults, in which case I wish we could all learn to talk about these things in a way that doesn't foster animosity.

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Response to Matariki (Reply #90)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:46 PM

93. No, I am not hostile to women

 

I am hostile to those women. They've called me (and others) nasty things. They create a culture of fear here on DU. IMO, they degrade the level of discourse dramatically.


It could be that you are just reacting to perceived insults, in which case I wish we could all learn to talk about these things in a way that doesn't foster animosity.

That's how I see it. If they want to be taken more seriously or create constructive dialogue to reach consensus, I've suggested they should work on their tone (but the "tone" argument is something they see as an MRA talking point to dismiss them--need a link to that?). You can't say anything without it being twisted. Either you shut the fuck up and listen, or you ignore their threads and let others be bullied and piled on.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #93)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 04:09 PM

121. I didn't say you were. I said that some of your posts come off that way.

I agree, it's frustrating when one's words are twisted. Sometimes it's difficult to know if it's just a misunderstanding, or if the person is deliberately being obtuse - or even trolling. I try to rephrase my post to try and find a way that the other person might understand. I don't mean that they have to agree with me, but it's nice to know that I've at least made my point clearly. If it becomes apparent that the other person has no real interest in understanding, then I extricate myself from the conversation (or get snarky if I'm in that kind of mood).

What I'm trying to say is, if you are being sincere, perhaps instead of having an automatic reaction that you are being criticized, you could try a different approach. Like asking people to clarify, asking if they mean what they are saying as an insult to you or your gender, etc. It might be, and probably is, miscommunication.

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Response to Matariki (Reply #121)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 04:14 PM

126. "then I extricate myself from the conversation"

 

This is probably the best course of action, but not always easy if a "twist" involves defamation (so your choice is to walk away and let it stand). OTOH, when in such situations, it doesn't seem constructive to continue anyway.

It might be, and probably is, miscommunication.

I will try and presume initially that is the problem. And thanks for the advice.


By all means, I don't wan to come off that way to all women. DU doesn't need to promote the idea that some posters are misogynists simply due to frustration and misunderstanding with a select group

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #126)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 04:29 PM

142. when most all of your posts have to include a diss against hof, even though you did not specifically

 

call us out, then one might wonder where fair play or reason comes in

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #93)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 06:49 PM

226. +1,000,000 I tried to read the last few days "feminist" post and have come to the conclusion

They have decided to make their positions secondary to abusing anyone who questions disagrees or says a word IN OR OUT of context that they can jump on and then berate others into submission...

Seems more like a gaggle yes gaggle of bullies punching you in the face telling you they have every right to hit you because you are not "one of them" whatever that means...hell i cant tell what they represent anymore after reading so much spew...

I have decided to stop reading their garbage since its not fostering an environment of lively discussing about womens equality and more a man hating bashing session...

wow after i blocked all there threads i can actually see normal discussions again in GD...to bad moderators wont step in to calm this bs down...

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Response to Matariki (Reply #90)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:52 PM

105. if you will look at the very long discussion we had in the thread, you will see a lot of respect,

 

even in disagreement. we have a lot of men that come into hof and discuss feminist issues. we appreciate and value these men. we also learn a lot from these men. the discussion of whether a man can be a feminist in name is an argument that is interesting, imo. it is not to diss a single man that support women or womens right issues. there are valid reasons why we brought up the conversation. all of us that play with the thought also said, we would never call out a man that calls himself a feminist

personally, i thought it a very productive and thought out conversation done in respect.

something we aspire to on du.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #71)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 06:24 PM

204. No, they don't.

That is absolutely not true.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #71)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 10:47 PM

438. Huh?

 

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #438)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 10:55 PM

444. I provided a link above....

 

Its to a "Men can't be feminist" OP.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #444)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 10:57 PM

446. Derp, just saw that.

 

Can't necessarily say I agree with it, because feminism as a movement addresses so many men's issues as well, but it's not really that important to me anyway. Male feminist or feminist ally, I still know where I stand.

Though the concerns seem to be about men taking over feminism and assuming they're on equal footing with women, which is nonsense.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #446)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:04 PM

451. I'm not even sure how to measure footing in the fight towards equality...

 

or that its immensely important to do so on the pathway there, insofar as the movement isn't co-opted or pacified nefariously. The reality is that the quickest way to end oppression may rightly be the correct one, regardless of what faces and personalities get to sit in the leader chair; those are small issues compared to allowing people to continue to be oppressed.

In any case, I cannot imagine that being divisive and exclusionary is an effective means to carry a movement forward.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #451)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:08 PM

454. It's about privilege.

 

Men largely don't have to put up with the crap women have to deal with on a daily basis, so women should rightfully be the leadership of feminism.

I think men have a place in feminism as allies/feminists, but it's ultimately up to the leaders of the movement to determine what's best for it.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #454)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:14 PM

456. The self-appointed leaders on DU are doing a bang-up job

 

...so women should rightfully be the leadership of feminism

Women have the most immediate incentive to see the movement succeed and progress, but everyone is capable of empathy and seeking justice and equality. Often, movements succeed by being inclusive and engaging the population, rather than being divisive and isolationists. In any case, I've already posted most of my thoughts and listened to the other side as well in that previous thread.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #456)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:23 PM

462. quit. just quit. this is your crap. this is a discussion board. no leaders. NONE. quit that

 

garbage. yes, SOME of you men like your snarky "self-appointed leaders on DU ". but that means nothing. that is only a means to diss a few.

people that are interested on the issue speak out. that simple

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #462)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:49 PM

482. Jury results!

At Sat Dec 28, 2013, 09:28 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

quit. just quit. this is your crap. this is a discussion board. no leaders. NONE. quit that
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4243596

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

why call a poster's writign "crap" and "garbage"? this is over the top no matter how we feel about person they were respondn gto

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Dec 28, 2013, 09:43 PM, and the Jury voted 0-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Back off and leave it alone.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: This particular post is an simply an opinion of the poster. However, I think, given the tone and pointedness of many posts in this thread, that this whole thread should be locked.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: The alert stalking of this poster is getting ridiculous. Ya don't like her views, put her on ignore. Sheesh!
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: The whole o.p./thread is a pot-stirring thing and the Alerted-on post was not outside this contentious topic's limits, no personal attack.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

sea~

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #482)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:58 PM

485. i had that sent to me in pm. one person will not be alerting on my posts for a day.....

 

thank you sheshe.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #454)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:16 PM

458. we value mens voice in hof. that was a challenging thread to have

 

when we have so many strong, smart, supportive mens voice in our/your group. but, i thought we did it respectfully, in agreement or disagreement. we all basically said that we would never tell a man he cannot be a feminist, that is not our place. it is how, over the last couple years, we have listened to men who declare themselves feminists work so hard at silencing women, and other issues. i think that thread was valuable, and allowed us to express concerns and i think we were real clear to say, we did not want it to be disrespectful to all the men that stand with and speak out for us.

many feminists disagree on this issue. this is one where we have to agree to disagree, respectfully. or merely allow differing opinions.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #458)

Sun Dec 29, 2013, 12:02 AM

487. It's true that there are many reasons to recommend a thread.

 

In my experience "I disagree with what you're saying, but this is a fascinating discussion" is an atypical reason that HoF members recommend posts.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #18)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:47 PM

95. Jury: Agreed that this is feminist-bashing. Having read several other posts by this person ..

 

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: Agreed that this is feminist-bashing. Having read several other posts by this person, I also believe that he is a troll.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: FLAME!
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #95)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:49 PM

101. Thnx. I qualified the statement. It was a hasty generalization.

 

Again, I love feminists. I am married to one. I don't love a certain group on DU using feminism to be nasty to people.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #101)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:55 PM

107. i do not believe we are nasty to people. i am sorry you feel that way and feel the need to

 

continually use that language about us.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #101)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 08:55 PM

323. And there you go again!

 

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #95)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 06:10 PM

192. Well, just so he knows - I'm a feminist, and so happy to be one! nt

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #18)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:48 PM

98. And some people have a bizarre concept of what feminists think.

 

Just sayin'

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #98)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:52 PM

104. Ya. True. I guess we could get a little clarity if we all strove towards civility and understanding

 

And I'm not going to claim I am king of this. But everyone is emotional at this point and knee-jerkingly dismissive of others

Things are so far gone though that you cannot even suggest civility without being pigeonholed as a MRA type, and the last thing that's going to be is constructive:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/125533280

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #104)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 04:03 PM

116. The Tone Argument has nothing to do with "MRA types"

It has to do with people who are uncomfortable with discussions of privilege attempting to silence the people involved in those discussions, usually the members of the oppressed group, by ignoring the substance of what they're saying, and saying that because of their tone, they will be ignored, the person using the Tone argument will no longer be as willing to advocate on behalf of the issues relating to their oppression, etc.

It's a derailing tactic, and it's not rare, and it's not limited to discussions of feminism. It's also frequently used in discussions of LGBT issues, racism, etc.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #116)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 04:08 PM

119. Consider Occam's Razor. Maybe people think you are just being utterly rude and nasty

 

It has to do with people who are uncomfortable with discussions of privilege attempting to silence the people involved in those discussions

Maybe people are talking about nastiness and divisiveness because there really is nastiness and divisiveness. You sit there and twist a very simply concept into some conspiracy level explanation to shed all responsibility for your tone and inability to create a healthy dialogue on a LIBERAL site of all places. There is a problem when you cannot even preach to an eager choir.

It's a derailing tactic, and it's not rare, and it's not limited to discussions of feminism.

Did you ever consider that pretending people are not meaning what they explicitly say is a derailing tactic that you, yourself, is employing? Just a thought.

Further, did you ever consider that when you tell people what their intention are (and such suggested intention point to a terrible person), that you are directly insulting them? If people are suggesting civility and you are telling them they are really derailing you because they aren't comfortable with feminist issues, that's akin to directly insulting them. Its more destructive discourse and not listening.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #119)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 04:16 PM

130. I didn't make the term up.

When people prioritize their personal feelings in a discussion about some kind of oppression, instead focusing on the oppression of large groups of people, that pretty much says all that needs to be said, right there.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #130)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 04:27 PM

138. "that pretty much says all that needs to be said"

 

No, it doesn't say anything. It doesn't confirm anything. This is a made up excuse for the problems were facing.


Posting topics on gender issues with insulting content, and then calling people insulted (for not focusing on the gender issue) *seems* like trolling to me. Insulted people have every right to respond to a an insult they take personal before taking on the topic, if they choose to at all. You cannot define what people's priorities should be, and most certainly not when they are caught up in a prejudiced generalization first.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #138)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 04:33 PM

144. I posted the Indian PSA, there was no insulting content.

I posted a study from the UK which included a statement about the results that people were extremely upset about. It, also, contained no insulting content.

I posted another thread wondering why topics about rape culture are treated so differently, why it's implied that we shouldn't address rape culture since no one advocates rape culture here - yet people discuss all kinds of rightwing memes and propaganda and no one says it's not necessary because no one on DU believes it

And once again, there was no insulting content.

Yet here we are, with three calls to ban all feminist topics from GD.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #144)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 04:36 PM

147. yes. nt

 

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #138)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 05:21 PM

164. a PSA made in india addressing what they feel is a very real issue is "insulting"?

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #164)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 08:42 PM

312. Did I reference that thread anywhere?

 

I didn't. I haven't even read that thread.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #312)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 09:04 PM

330. she was specific and you dismissed. when just putting soemthing up with nothing and being called as

 

divisive is actually the conversation you are having at the moment. so, you give an example of what you are talking about, so we can better understand.

at this point. not seeing it. a todo over a PSA, that you were in the middle of, and now claim you did not even see what the issue is, is pretty telling.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #330)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 09:08 PM

332. "that you were in the middle of"

 

I don't recall posting in the PSA thread.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #332)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 09:11 PM

337. whatever noneman. you are throwing out accusations and we are suppose to

 

figure out where your attacks are coming from, with absolutely no help from you.

whatever

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #332)

Sun Dec 29, 2013, 12:05 PM

551. I remember once upon a time when I

 

Was young I got a dwi. Since I had never been in any real trouble otherwise I was allowed to go into a diversion program. The diversion program allowed people to do an alcohol treatment program in lieu of jail. Part of that program involved a three day Thursday through Sunday mandatory stay at the school where the program was held. Anyway, I will always remember one speaker in particular. He said I can't look at any of you and tell you that you are an alcoholic. But I can tell you this. If enough people start telling you that you are a monkey you had better turn around and see if you have a tail. Seems a certain element of the Hof crowd can't relate to that. That group is 5% Hof 95% disruptive flame bait. Thankfully I found that you can trash a group, it helps. But the hate seems to find away into any conversation.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #119)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 09:57 PM

371. +1000 n/t

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #104)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 10:48 PM

440. Thanks for the link!

That's a good OP!

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:51 PM

20. Damn...someone just drips hostility

 

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:53 PM

25. Interesting

 

I'm laughing over here. You see, the internet surely allows people to pigeonhole others quite erroneously. The communication breakdown, IMO, is a large part of the problem here. You can't hardly make a comment without it being twisted if the receiver is in a twisty mood.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:55 PM

28. Really? People are noting all the threads you don't rec?

Puhlease.

I think it's more the tone and content of you openly bitter and uncaring posts if they're anything like this one.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 05:12 PM

160. No, it's because you're too resenful to realize and accept that women's issues are HUMAN issues

and just as important as men's issues given that we do, you know, make up half of humanity.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 06:07 PM

188. What does a vaginal knitting thread have to do with this?

Lots of what people try to pass off as art is simply crap.

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Response to sibelian (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:09 PM

45. On DU, MRA is apparently defined as a man not agreeing with a certain group of women.

 

True MRA types would not last long here, because almost everyone would gang up on them, both men and women.

DU does not have a MRA mentality, except in the minds of a few derisive people here. Most DU members are not constantly vilifying the other gender either.

ME? I am for Human Rights. Equal Rights for everyone. Everyone, everywhere. I think that is a more worthy goal than denigrating almost half half the human race and calling it "Feminism".

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Response to RC (Reply #45)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:17 PM

55. MRA is short for what?

 

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #55)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:20 PM

59. "MRA" means "men's rights activist."

 


Pick you own flavor of defining it.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mra

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Response to RC (Reply #59)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:24 PM

64. Thanks!

 

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Response to RC (Reply #45)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 04:14 PM

127. +1000 nt

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Response to RC (Reply #45)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 04:42 PM

151. Human rights are what Feminism is all about. It does NOT exclude men!

Feminist values are humanist values and vice versa.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #151)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 04:49 PM

157. We are on DU.

 

So you could fool me on that count.
Besides Feminism itself is about equal Rights for Women, which is only a part of larger Human Rights.

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Response to RC (Reply #157)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 05:03 PM

159. I believe that Feminism is much more inclusive than that.

I believe that Feminism is at one with respect for the earth, for instance. I believe that it embraces kindness and respect for all cultures, except that of violence, and walks with people of many faiths. I believe that Feminism is transcendant, peaceful and filled with the joy of being alive in the world.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #159)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 05:30 PM

168. Actual Feminism, yes, DU's brand, by the select group of suspects here, not so much.

 

Your post reminded me of I had a conversation with a restaurant owner this morning, that just gotten back from visiting her son in the Navy, in Japan.
She could not believe the difference between here and there. How clean everything was. One of her examples was, even with so many people smoking there were no cigarette butts anywhere. No trash laying around.
People were polite to each other.
I bring this up because more people need to travel and experience the clash between our culture and other cultures. All too often we come up short. People have no clue what they are missing because they have never experience anything different or better than what they grew up with in this country.
Even just spending some time in Canada, the differences are apparent. The edge is missing. Friendlier, less paranoid of everything.
We can learn much from others, but the "Not invented Here", construct is strong.

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Response to RC (Reply #168)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 05:38 PM

173. why must you always insult us in every single one of your posts?

 

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Response to RC (Reply #168)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 05:45 PM

177. RC, referring to people as "suspects" is never a good idea if you wish to sell your idea.

Since I am a DU Feminist, I would therefore be one of them. There are men here who identify as Feminists as well. They listen to women and respect them. Suspects?





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Response to CTyankee (Reply #177)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 06:45 PM

222. Are you volunteering to be one of the usual suspects?

 

I could have said the 'guilty' and would have just as accurate.
There is only a sub-set of people there that are instigators of the problem and it was those people I was referring to.
I see people as individuals and I don't blame the entire HoF as the problem, as it is only a half dozen or so.
How long do you think a men's group would last around here, if they kept starting OP's doing the equivalent gender slamming and belittling of women? And yes, that is a legitimate question.

You can't assume that just because you belong to whatever organization and one or even a few members embezzle the funds, or uses letterhead stationary for personal gain, that the whole membership is corrupt and is also guilty. The same concept applies here.

Congress is corrupt (We both know that to be true). You work for the government, therefore you must be corrupt too. See how wrong that assumption is?

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Response to RC (Reply #222)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 06:56 PM

232. this one, a PSA from india. that 130 recommended. and many voices. is your issue. not a handful.

 

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Response to RC (Reply #222)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 07:30 PM

248. Wait, you didn't see her as a suspect before, but now you are starting to see one?

Are you planning on doing something about it?

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Response to boston bean (Reply #248)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 07:41 PM

259. Way to twist things around there.

 

I said nothing of the kind. She is not on my list of problem people.

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Response to RC (Reply #259)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 07:42 PM

262. Oh good to know. Are you being serious, you got a list?

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Response to boston bean (Reply #262)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 07:51 PM

266. Yep and I have checked it several times and haven't had to up date for quite sometime.

 

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Response to RC (Reply #266)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 07:57 PM

272. Who are you santa clause? LOL

making a list, checking it twice, gonna find out whose naughty or nice.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #272)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 08:31 PM

297. For some people, yes.

 

But that is a different list.

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Response to RC (Reply #297)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 08:39 PM

308. Ya know what, RC? I'm done. I'm good.

Really, it's all good. We're just fine. Va bene e ciaio!

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Response to sibelian (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 06:30 PM

213. One letter shy of "NRA." Talking Points, too! One acronym, many self-packaged slurs.

 

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Response to sibelian (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 06:33 PM

216. Anyone gonna answer this?

 

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:45 PM

13. Seems pretty obvious to me. nt

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Response to redqueen (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:53 PM

23. Well, it isn't to me...


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Response to demmiblue (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 05:38 PM

172. No sh*t!

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 07:34 PM

253. +1

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:40 PM

3. "Runs the gamete?"

Nominated for the worst DU pun of the day.

That said, if this stuff isn't deliberate, someone ought to study it as a "natural experiment" in how to sabotage a discussion site.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 06:47 PM

225. Second that!

 

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:42 PM

6. Hm.


Good point.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:44 PM

11. There is no MRA group here.

Last edited Sat Dec 28, 2013, 07:48 PM - Edit history (1)

There is however, the 'Men's Group', though I understand why some need to conflate the two.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:44 PM

12. Aren't women's rights a foundation of the Democratic Party?

 

Then yes, discussions about rape culture/harassment culture, and feminism have a place on DU.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:46 PM

15. Agreed

 

but does that necessitate excluding issues important to men

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:49 PM

19. They're not mutually exclusive.

 

Rape/harassment culture affects men as well, and feminism addresses topics important to men.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:52 PM

22. Exactly.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:58 PM

30. How about 25% of men in prison are Raped

 

should that be an issue or just 1 of those "He deserved it" moments

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:02 PM

35. It's an issue. Feel free to go start a thread about it. n/t

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:06 PM

41. As I recall, sea and I were among the first to start calling out statements

which either depicted prison rape as a joke, or condoned it as a punishment.

And now we're painted as disruptors. Maybe we were called disruptors for doing that, too, back in the day. I don't remember that happening, though. I think people complained about our "lectures" and alerts... but not this kind of stuff. Not outright claims that we were trolls trying to "divide" people on DU.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #41)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:14 PM

51. I certainly don't paint you as a disruptor

 

We might not always agree but I appreciate the majority of your post

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:12 PM

50. Here, this says most of what needs to be said on these issues much better than I could

(and touches on the concerns of "men's rights activists" as well, including issues of male prison rape, false rape accusations, males as victims of domestic violence, etc). It's entirely too long to succinctly excerpt within the four-paragraph limit but it's a good place to start if you want to understand some of the issues involved.

http://jezebel.com/5992479/if-i-admit-that-hating-men-is-a-thing-will-you-stop-turning-it-into-a-self+fulfilling-prophecy

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #50)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:18 PM

57. I think the commonality of "False Acqusations" during Divorce Proceedings

 

does give them "some" credence

Deserving of a "National Movement" - not so much

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #57)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:38 PM

86. What commonality of false allegations?

There really isn't any:

Despite significant progress towards ending domestic violence and sexual assault, myths persist about victims of these crimes making false claims of abuse and abusing legal protections. This factsheet addresses those myths.

FALSE REPORTING OF ABUSE DURING DIVORCE AND CHILD CUSTODY CASES IS RARE
Critics allege that victims make up claims of abuse against themselves and their children just to gain advantage in contested custody cases.

In fact, research shows that false allegations of abuse are no more common in divorce or custody disputes than at any other time1.

Research also shows that child sexual abuse allegations in custody cases are rare (about 6%), and the majority of allegations are substantiated (2/3)2.

Generally, abuse is vastly under-reported: child sexual abuse happens to about 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys, yet only about 1.8 cases per 1,000 children are reported each year 3.

DISCLOSING ABUSE FOR THE FIRST TIME DURING DIVORCE OR CHILD CUSTODY PROCEEDINGS DOES NOT MEAN THE ABUSE WAS MADE-UP TO GAIN ADVANTAGE IN THE CASE

It is common and understandable for victims to reveal abuse for the first time during a divorce because abuse leads to divorce4. Many victims have told no one about the abuse prior to separation because of their shame, fear, and desire to help the abuser.

One national expert with a decade of direct experience working in batterers’ intervention programs reports that about 30% of relationships ended after a violent assault, demonstrating how frequently an escalation in violence leads immediately to a break-up5.

http://www.ccasa.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Fact-Sheet-on-Myth-of-False-Allegations_Final.pdf

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #50)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:22 PM

61. Wow.


That article is a MESS.

Look at that woman go.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:35 PM

82. That is definitely an issue

I think the whole way our prison systems exist should be an issue - from the fact that minorities are overwhelmingly imprisoned to the growing proliferation of a private prison industry, to prison rape.

I think our party should address these things.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:48 PM

96. Male rape is a result of rape culture.

 

Feminists hate that as well. Nobody deserves rape.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #96)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:57 PM

108. Jesus fucking H Christ.

I can't believe I'm reading this insane bullshit.

Violence against men is really about women....

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Response to sibelian (Reply #108)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 04:01 PM

114. Rape culture isn't just about women

Huh? Rape culture is about rape, not specifically about women.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #114)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 04:56 PM

158. "Rape culture" seems to be about whatever anyone says its about.


I am actually done with this bullshit. Now men are presumably to discuss BEING RAPED in terms that are acceptable to some fucking political movement.

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Response to sibelian (Reply #108)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 04:39 PM

149. When did I say that?

 

Rape culture includes male rape as well.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #149)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 05:39 PM

174. No, it fucking doesn't.


"Rape culture" is about as useful in describing male experiences as saying tax returns are a special kind of cheese. The term is nothing more than a great big big bag with "RAPE" written on it into which certain excited people throw anything that makes them feel freaky about themselves so that whatever they've thrown into the bag is all smeared and slobbered over with the emotional charge of the word RAPE. I've seen it used on this board to describe a six year old boy repeatedly kissing a (very understandbly) reluctant little girl. As a way of describing anything to do with the way politics is lensed out through gender it is NONSENSICAL.

I KNOW MEN WHO HAVE BEEN RAPED. I'm not using the idiotic, crack-addled and entirely USELESS term "rape culture" to label their experience any more than I would use the term "hip hop".

It's nothing more than a cynical attempt to manage away the male experience by controlling the terms used by them to describe themselves.

It's DISGUSTING.

I'm going to make damn sure that nobody in the gay community that *I* know is going to fall back into the twisted patterns demanded of them by feminists EVER again.

Feminists as individuals can be trusted, but feminism as a movement cannot. Believe me, I know.

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Response to sibelian (Reply #174)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 06:13 PM

193. Alright, I see what you mean.

 

What do we call the factors that facilitate male rape then? What do we call the reinforcement of gender stereotypes and the use of sexual violence as a form of control?

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #193)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 07:02 PM

234. how about sexual brutality? Just a thought. It might get more play across the sexes and economic

classes?

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Response to Drew Richards (Reply #234)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:04 PM

452. Sexual brutality is the act. Rape culture is the societal attitudes and practices

that foster it.

So sexual brutality is not accurate.

And why would it get more play across the sexes and classes? A rape is a rape, no matter who is raped. And our culture has many aspects that allow or encourage it, whether the person raped is a man or a woman.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #193)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:39 PM

473. I know what *I* call it.


MISANDRY. Internalised, typically.

Homophobia is a direct consequence of this kind of stereotyping. It's often confused with misogyny (particularly by over-enthusiastic feminists) because it's vaguely similar to the way some men treat some women but the source of the distortion isn't fucked up perceptions of women, it's fucked up perceptions of men. Gay men aren't persecuted for being like women, gay men aren't anything like women. We aren't persecuted for resembling the stereotypic image of women, we're persecuted for deviating from the stereotypic image of men.

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Response to sibelian (Reply #473)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:44 PM

478. Ah, I get what you're saying.

 

That makes more sense. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

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Response to sibelian (Reply #473)

Sun Dec 29, 2013, 12:16 AM

491. I stand humbled those two defining adjectives are the best way to describe it hands down.

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Response to sibelian (Reply #473)

Sun Dec 29, 2013, 12:27 AM

492. If it's deviating from the image of men

how is that misandry? I agree, gay men aren't anything like women. But homophobes stereotype gay men as if they are. And that is rooted in misogyny.

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Response to sibelian (Reply #108)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:00 PM

450. I think that Nuclear Dem was saying that rape is about rape, and no one should be raped.

I'm not getting where you get "violence against men is really about women" from what Nuclear Dem said.

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Response to sibelian (Reply #108)

Sun Dec 29, 2013, 05:08 AM

542. Not only that...

.. violence against men is to be minimized...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4234557
...and is funny.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4234588

I found those posts particularly interesting considering the images in the poster's sig line.

What do I know, though? After all, I'm probably just a dastardly MRA playing the tone card.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:57 PM

109. women probably started the movement on this issue. i know on du, us feminists are the ones that

 

spoke out the loudest on this issue. continually and consistently. mostly men putting up prison rape jokes. and hte women that challenged were dissed. until it became unacceptable. ALL rape is wrong. ALL rape needs to be addressed and punished.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #109)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 04:00 PM

113. Well to be fair,

many of us ...... I think probably most of us, found it unacceptable all along and said so.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #113)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 04:02 PM

115. you would be wrong. not from the start. though, many did come on board, in time.

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #115)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 04:09 PM

120. Well I'm positive you didn't read every post then, because I saw and participated in,

years ago here, prison rape threads that were discussed by many, many people absolutely sickened over it, myself included.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #120)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 04:12 PM

123. ya. pretty sure it was redq and i. a new concept that had to be accepted.

 

a lot of people totally outraged we would take a "joke" so seriously. without support at all.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #123)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 04:13 PM

124. Na ...... it was a lot more people than you and redqueen way back then, right from the start. nt.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #124)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 04:18 PM

133. I only said we were among the first.

Those of us who were among the first to challenge those sentiments - were we accused of being disruptors? I know there was lots of whining about lectures, and complaints about frivolous alerts.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #113)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 04:09 PM

122. Agreed, this issue goes back to DU 1 and 2

And was never considered acceptable and if it was alerted on the mods removed it. And it wasn't just women moderating either.

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Response to maddezmom (Reply #122)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 04:13 PM

125. That's exactly how I remember it. nt.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:42 PM

91. YES! The Feminist men in my family and my life know this and they love and respect the feminist

women they love. These men want nothing to do with sexism. They see absolute value to their lives in Feminism. In fact, their lives would be devastated without the love of these women. And the tenderness goes both ways. Mutual respect is what you get as a result of both sexes embrace of Feminism.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:51 PM

21. How are issues important to men, liberal issues of course, being excluded?

If you're talking about misogynistic views and sexist views then yes, it does necessitate that. DU doesn't allow RW trolling, does it?

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:45 PM

14. I have been trashcanning them and Duck Dynasty threads. n/t

 

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:48 PM

17. "Fringe groups"? "Democrat"? Is this thread meant to divide and conquer?



If you think women speaking up about facing violence and sexism is a fringe group there's something missing in your viewpoint. (the collective DU "you", and you for putting that term into the discussion I guess)

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Response to cui bono (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:53 PM

24. In terms of the average voter - How do you think that "Ranks" for a vote deciding issue

 

Bush certainly used it to his advantage

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #24)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:00 PM

34. What does that have to do with what I posted? Whether or not something is a voting issue does not

determine if people raising the issue are a fringe group.

FFs, I learned about sexism in the early 80's at UCSC. Some of you need to go live in Santa Cruz or go take a class on sexism and women's issues I guess. Our male teacher had every other person substitute "she" for "he" when we read a textbook out loud. There are some men on DU who just might have a heart attack if they had to do that.

It's not hard to see it, it's everywhere and in a lot of ways it's getting much worse. All one has to do is open their eyes and their hearts and be the least bit compassionate. Perhaps you think women speaking up about it is a fringe group because you are in a community where women don't feel safe expressing it?

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Response to cui bono (Reply #34)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:04 PM

37. Should the world revolve around sexism and women's issues

 

Some people are worried about Healthcare or Social Security but mostly just trying to eek out a living

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #37)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:05 PM

38. Are DUers only able to discuss one issue at a time?

Do you ask LGBT and African-Americans that same question?

And btw... women are half the world's population, so yes, a good bit of the discussion should be about women's issues. And as was mentioned to you above, which you chose to ignore, women's issues involve men and are therefore men's issues as well.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #38)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:07 PM

42. People did ask LGBT and black posters that question, often, during the primaries.

These things are all intertwined.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #42)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:08 PM

44. *sigh* It's a wonder anyone actually thinks DU is a liberal board.

It is far from it.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #44)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:29 PM

72. Its only "Human Nature" that 1 issue be more important to you

 

but not so much to the next person. Kind of like opinions - we all have them

But does that mean the person's worth should be any less. Their opinion not worthy of respect

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #72)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 05:51 PM

180. Again you post something that has nothing at all to do with what I said.

My guess is because you have an agenda and you are trying to sell it in every post of yours.

You might do better if you actually "listened" to what people posted and responded to what they actually said. It's called respect and discussion. The fact that you aren't doing it may have something to do with your anger/disgust/impatience towards women expressing their desire to be treated with said respect.

Bottom line, you want us to listen to you and accept your opinion and simply will not listen to what we say and respond to that. Pretty clear where you stand and what type of person you are.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #180)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 06:30 PM

214. You hit it on the head here. "fringe" my ass.

 

It is appalling that ops calling women's issues are fringe get a pass here.
For fucks sake, our Democratic Party would be dead on the water without them.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #44)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 05:21 PM

165. +100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Particularly when some insist that the only legitimate views are those determined by the same demographic that backs the GOP. Any random Democratic neighborhood meeting is far more diverse and open than the white male only view of the world some here insist on imposing. The sense of entitlement is astounding. If it's not about them, they think no one has a right to discuss it. Amazing. Those are precisely the kind of characteristics that enable someone in the 21st century to think and act like it's 1952.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #165)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 05:36 PM

171. Your subject line is screwing up the thread view

 

for everyone. There are too many unbroken characters and it's pushing the grid off the right side of the page. Please edit.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #171)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 07:04 PM

236. The "right side" you say?

 

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Response to cui bono (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 06:34 PM

217. The problem is when violence is conflated with looking at a girl who is dressed to kill.

 

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #217)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 07:32 PM

252. so the way she dresses has to do with how she is treated?

 

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Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:53 PM

26. I think this "MRA" is largely a bogeyman.

 

I never even heard of it until I started wasting my life reading these never-ending threads.

Doubtless, such folks exist somewhere in the dark corners of the internet, but I really have to wonder how widespread their influence is. They do, however, give the HOFers a windmill to tilt at.

The upside is that some of the most rabid are flaming themselves out in these threads.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 02:59 PM

31. Me too

 

Its a new term to me as well, mostly thrown around in an accusatory manner toward non-agreeing male DUers

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:09 PM

46. The National Coalition for Men (ncfm.org) ranks #1,293,376 on Alexa.

 

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/ncfm.org

That's the best web site I could find that looks like an "MRA" web site.

Not surprisingly, males are overrepresented among visitors, females underrepresented.

Also not surprisingly, the web site is more likely to be accessed from home than work.

Somewhat surprisingly, and disappointingly, among education level groups, only people with grad school level education are overrepresented.

Democratic Underground, by contrast, is ranked #6,113 worldwide and #1,707 in the US.

Wow, if you want to spread the "MRA" word, post about it on Democratic Underground!

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #46)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 07:42 PM

260. Bwaa-ha-ha!! Drag those troglodytes into the light of day!

 

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #260)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 10:06 PM

380. Wait, what??

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Response to TroglodyteScholar (Reply #380)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 10:28 PM

415. I'm sorry, I meant Morlocks... Morlocks. That's it.

 

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #415)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:24 PM

464. ...

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:17 PM

56. It's a growing movement, and they are dangerous.

Right now there are 232 active viewers in the Men's Rights subgroup on reddit.

I wonder how many people are currently reading or posting on DU.

http://www.salon.com/2009/11/05/mens_rights/
http://www.bostonmagazine.com/2012/08/angry-men-feminist-agenda/

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Response to redqueen (Reply #56)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:38 PM

85. How are they dangerous?


What do they want?

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Response to sibelian (Reply #85)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:48 PM

99. The articles at the links contain a lot of information about that. nt

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Response to redqueen (Reply #56)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 06:27 PM

210. OMG! 232 viewers on Reddit! Man, er, staff, the barricades!

 

Meanwhile, more than 500 people there are looking at stuff about cats.

Seriously, this appears to be a miniscule movement. For something that's been around since the 1970s, it doesn't seem to be very much of "a growing movement."

There are real issues for us to deal with, like the effective gutting of abortion rights in large parts of the country. Or even further reducing the incidence of rape. The thousands of posts spent on this kind of crap do nothing about that.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #210)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 07:28 PM

245. Read the articles. These men are changing laws.

Or, y'know, don't. Cause I can tell ... er, how much you care ... by the way you post about these issues.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #210)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 10:02 PM

377. Half of those 200 some-odd are probably from here, looking for "material" to be outraged about.

I agree with your post, I don't think it's much of a movement, either.

I think there are some people who are just assholes, and they come in both genders. Bad behavior is bad behavior....

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Response to MADem (Reply #377)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 10:15 PM

395. Well said MADem

Most here are on the right side and this constant bickering over word choices, posting styles etc isn't doing our side any favors. We should be untied in fighting the RW fundie assholes as opposed
to each other over semantics.

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Response to maddezmom (Reply #395)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 10:51 PM

443. are we feminists allowed to address the man we should speak femininely and wear sundresses,

 

not business suits, or would you prefer we not say anything?

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #443)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 10:57 PM

447. Sure you can

And you do over and over with different issues but does it get us feminist anywhere, really? If someone doesn't get it the first 10 times I am not going to waste my time or effort trying to school them. If you want to you are free to do so but I am not going to be there as a fellow feminist beating skulls in or dead horses.
The same shit has been talked about here as long as DU has been around, some will get it some don't and never will.

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Response to maddezmom (Reply #447)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:16 PM

459. Between the first women's right's convention and women getting the vote, there

were 72 years.

I am grateful for their tirelessness. It takes a long time to change minds.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #459)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:24 PM

463. Sure does, but I have seen the same battles on DU for about 10 years

And I see you have been only here for a year so you probably haven't seen how unproductive these discussion are here but keep up the good fight if you can change one persons mind... Good on ya. I am using my voice, time and money in my state to try to get Wendy Davis elected.

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Response to maddezmom (Reply #463)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:43 PM

477. I've been on DU since 2001

I think the way the feminists on DU are treated is a shame. So clearly, not everyone sees it the same way.

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Response to kcr (Reply #477)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:45 PM

479. Well am I a feminist and I agree

But sometimes the poor treatment I have received is by other feminist. So you are correct not everyone sees it the same way.

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Response to maddezmom (Reply #479)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:48 PM

481. I'm sorry you were treated badly by another feminist

We're human after all. That doesn't mean that in general they aren't treated badly here.

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Response to maddezmom (Reply #447)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:20 PM

460. yes. i do believe that staying silent in sexism only allows it to grow. and yes, i will

 

speak out each time i hear it. i have never asked you to step up. so that wont be an issue when you do not. you make your choices. i make mine. i would think we can do that respectfully.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #460)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:29 PM

468. Sorry sea but you have called women/fellow feminists because we haven't joined in certain threads

Only have to read thru some threads to see it. You do what makes you feel comfortable and so will I...and we actually can both be good feminists even when we don't agree.

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Response to maddezmom (Reply #468)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:35 PM

470. i am not gonna argue or try to defend such a general statement but i can absolutely agree with the

 

end of your statement. mostly. but, i am getting a headache and i am not gonna try to go further.

and i am right there with you with wendy davis.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #443)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:22 PM

461. So following DU's Community Standards

like the rest of us do equates to sundresses to you.

I don't think the community is going to accept that anytime soon.

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Response to Waiting For Everyman (Reply #461)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:25 PM

465. wtf....

 

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Response to Waiting For Everyman (Reply #461)

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:40 PM

474. Do you think that's what she was saying?

DUer says women should dress femininely, like sundresses. Some call it the bullshit it that it is. Do you honestly have a problem with that?

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Response to kcr (Reply #474)

Sun Dec 29, 2013, 12:35 AM

494. Having trouble following the subject?

maddezmom (133,551 posts)
395. Well said MADem

Most here are on the right side and this constant bickering over word choices, posting styles etc isn't doing our side any favors. We should be untied in fighting the RW fundie assholes as opposed
to each other over semantics.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024241107#post395


seabeyond (91,343 posts)
443. are we feminists allowed to address the man we should speak femininely and wear sundresses,

not business suits, or would you prefer we not say anything?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024241107#post443


Star Member Waiting For Everyman (7,205 posts)
461. So following DU's Community Standards

like the rest of us do equates to sundresses to you.

I don't think the community is going to accept that anytime soon.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024241107#post461


1) maddezmom posted about the food fight here on DU;
2) seabeyond defended the food fight presenting an end to that behavior as wearing sundresses and keeping silent;
3) my reply to seabeyond, so following DU's Community Standards = sundresses

See the chain of reply now?


It is AGAIN (as it constantly does) defending and insisting on the vocal minority's supposed right to be rude here on DU. Sorry, we have Community Standards for that, and nobody is excepted from it... not even seabeyond, not even HoF. And the vocal minority can call it "the tone argument" all it wants, the Community Standards apply to everybody, like it or not.

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Response to Waiting For Everyman (Reply #494)

Sun Dec 29, 2013, 12:46 AM

500. I'm having no trouble at all.

Seabeyond's point was valid. I think bringing up someone telling us we should wear sundresses was absolutely a valid point to bring up in response to someone who appeared to be claiming the whole thing is nothing but bickering over word choices and posting style.

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Response to kcr (Reply #500)

Sun Dec 29, 2013, 12:55 AM

506. So you think certain feminists are exempt from Community Standards?

You're welcome to your opinion. I don't agree with it, and I have a hunch it will result in open Transparency Pages, but I should think that problem would automatically sort itself out, given the mandatory time-out that goes with it.

We will see who is right, come January 6.

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Response to Waiting For Everyman (Reply #506)

Sun Dec 29, 2013, 01:02 AM

508. I'm not following how thinking women should be able to wear what they want

and agreeing with a fellow feminist on that point means feminists should be exempt from community standards. As far as transparency pages? I think certain transparency pages show the glaring flaw in the set up of DU3.

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Response to kcr (Reply #508)

Sun Dec 29, 2013, 01:07 AM

510. Lol! Sure.

That is sort of like thought salad to go with the word salad.

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Response to Waiting For Everyman (Reply #510)

Sun Dec 29, 2013, 01:14 AM

512. I guess the idea that women should be able to dress as they please

is a hard concept for some. ETA I guess that was a complex sentence, so maybe it was too hard for some to understand. I'll break it down into easier reading. I don't agree with dumb women have to wear pretty dresses opinion. That isn't a simple matter of nitpicking over words. Seabeyond agrees. I don't understand why you think this has anything to do with community standards. Do you think community standards means DU thinks women should wear pretty dresses? Better?

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Response to kcr (Reply #512)

Sun Dec 29, 2013, 01:31 AM

519. Why

don't you haul that back to the conversation it came from, this subthread is about something else.