76 Things Banned In Leviticus (perhaps it’s time to lay off quoting 18:22 for a while?)

[kpete]

Here’s chapter and verse on a more-or-less comprehensive list of things banned in the Leviticus book of the bible. A decent number of them are punishable by death.

Unless you’ve never done any of them (and 54 to 56 are particularly tricky), perhaps it’s time to lay off quoting 18:22 for a while?

1. Burning any yeast or honey in offerings to God (2:11)

2. Failing to include salt in offerings to God (2:13)

3. Eating fat (3:17)

4. Eating blood (3:17)

5. Failing to testify against any wrongdoing you’ve witnessed (5:1)

6. Failing to testify against any wrongdoing you’ve been told about (5:1)

7. Touching an unclean animal (5:2)

8. Carelessly making an oath (5:4)

9. Deceiving a neighbour about something trusted to them (6:2)

10. Finding lost property and lying about it (6:3)

11. Bringing unauthorised fire before God (10:1)

12. Letting your hair become unkempt (10:6)

13. Tearing your clothes (10:6)

14. Drinking alcohol in holy places (bit of a problem for Catholics, this ‘un) (10 )

15. Eating an animal which doesn’t both chew cud and has a divided hoof (cf: camel, rabbit, pig) (11:4-7)

16. Touching the carcass of any of the above (problems here for rugby) (11:8)

17. Eating – or touching the carcass of – any seafood without fins or scales (11:10-12)

18. Eating – or touching the carcass of - eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, the red kite, any kind of black kite, any kind of raven, the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat. (11:13-19)

19. Eating – or touching the carcass of – flying insects with four legs, unless those legs are jointed (11:20-22)

20. Eating any animal which walks on all four and has paws (good news for cats) (11:27)

21. Eating – or touching the carcass of – the weasel, the rat, any kind of great lizard, the gecko, the monitor lizard, the wall lizard, the skink and the chameleon (11:29)

22. Eating – or touching the carcass of – any creature which crawls on many legs, or its belly (11:41-42)

23. Going to church within 33 days after giving birth to a boy (12:4)

24. Going to church within 66 days after giving birth to a girl (12:5)

25. Having sex with your mother (18 )

26. Having sex with your father’s wife (18:8)

27. Having sex with your sister (18 )

28. Having sex with your granddaughter (18:10)

29. Having sex with your half-sister (18:11)

30. Having sex with your biological aunt (18:12-13)

31. Having sex with your uncle’s wife (18:14)

32. Having sex with your daughter-in-law (18:15)

33. Having sex with your sister-in-law (18:16)

34. Having sex with a woman and also having sex with her daughter or granddaughter (bad news for Alan Clark) (18:17)

35. Marrying your wife’s sister while your wife still lives (18:18)

36. Having sex with a woman during her period (18:19)

37. Having sex with your neighbour’s wife (18:20)

38. Giving your children to be sacrificed to Molek (18:21)

39. Having sex with a man “as one does with a woman” (18:22)

40. Having sex with an animal (18:23)

41. Making idols or “metal gods” (19:4)

42. Reaping to the very edges of a field (19 )

43. Picking up grapes that have fallen in your vineyard (19:10)

44. Stealing (19:11)

45. Lying (19:11)

46. Swearing falsely on God’s name (19:12)

47. Defrauding your neighbour (19:13)

48. Holding back the wages of an employee overnight (not well observed these days) (19:13)

49. Cursing the deaf or abusing the blind (19:14)

50. Perverting justice, showing partiality to either the poor or the rich (19:15)

51. Spreading slander (19:16)

52. Doing anything to endanger a neighbour’s life (19:16)

53. Seeking revenge or bearing a grudge (19:18)

54. Mixing fabrics in clothing (19:19)

55. Cross-breeding animals (19:19)

56. Planting different seeds in the same field (19:19)

57. Sleeping with another man’s slave (19:20)

58. Eating fruit from a tree within four years of planting it (19:23)

59. Practising divination or seeking omens (tut, tut astrology) (19:26)

60. Trimming your beard (19:27)

61. Cutting your hair at the sides (19:27)

62. Getting tattoos (19:28)

63. Making your daughter prostitute herself (19:29)

64. Turning to mediums or spiritualists (19:31)

65. Not standing in the presence of the elderly (19:32)

66. Mistreating foreigners – “the foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born” (19:33-34)

67. Using dishonest weights and scales (19:35-36)

68. Cursing your father or mother (punishable by death) (20 )

69. Marrying a prostitute, divorcee or widow if you are a priest (21 ,13)

70. Entering a place where there’s a dead body as a priest (21:11)

71. Slaughtering a cow/sheep and its young on the same day (22:28)

72. Working on the Sabbath (23:3)

73. Blasphemy (punishable by stoning to death) (24:14)

74. Inflicting an injury; killing someone else’s animal; killing a person must be punished in kind (24:17-22)

75. Selling land permanently (25:23)

76. Selling an Israelite as a slave (foreigners are fine) (25:42)

[NYC_SKP]

1. Wait Just a Minute!!! "Giving your children to be sacrificed to Molek"??? Since When???

Fuck that shit!

[jmowreader]

6. On this Molech thing...

Was it just pedicide that was illegal, or does "praying to any god who isn't me" qualify as Molech worship?

[NuclearDem]

9. Damn, had the "field trip" all planned out and everything.

[happyslug]

61. Many of these restrictions reflect the religions of others in that part of the World

And if one practices what those religions require, is an rejection of the temple of Jerusalem and thus an rejection of being jewish

These include

1. Burning any yeast or honey in offerings to God (2:11) (Seems to have been a requirement of other religions in the area)

2. Failing to include salt in offerings to God (2:13) (Salt-less offering appears to have been a requirement of other religions).

3. Eating fat (3:17) This was a restrictions only to the Priests, for any fat from any animal was to be sacrificed to God by them. Thus everyone else could eat fat but not the priests of the temple of

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosher_foods

4. Eating blood (3:17) This seems to be a ban on eating under cooked meat. If blood remained on the meat it could mean it was uncooked and given the level of sanitation at that time unsafe to eat.

11. Bringing unauthorized fire before God (10:1) (Fire was a known feature of Zoracastism)

13. Tearing your clothes (10:6) (Was done in the bible to show great stress, but only in pre-Temple days, thus appears to have been something priests of other local religions still did when Leviticus was "found".

14. Drinking alcohol in holy places (bit of a problem for Catholics, this ‘un) (10) Wine was tied in with the religion of the greeks, and thus why wine being part of Christian religious ceremony was widely adopted, but that wine was tied in with Greece and they pagan gods, the reason it was banned.

The following all relate to make sure everyone in Society acts for the benefits of Society not for themselves:

5. Failing to testify against any wrongdoing you’ve witnessed (5:1)

6. Failing to testify against any wrongdoing you’ve been told about (5:1)

9. Deceiving a neighbor about something trusted to them (6:2)

10. Finding lost property and lying about it (6:3)

The following all relate to acts that occurs through no fault of the person to did the "unclean act" that person must "clean" himself by making a sacrifice to God, if they can NOT afford a goat or a Sheep then two pigeons will suffice: In simple terms it is a way for people who think they may have done an offense to undo that offense:

7. Touching an unclean animal (5:2)

8. Carelessly making an oath (5:4)

Other reflected Economic reality in Jerusalem

15. Eating an animal which doesn’t both chew cud and has a divided hoof (cf: camel, rabbit, pig) (11:4-7) .

Camels were NOT a big part of the economy prior to about 1BC (and then tied in with increase dryness of the desert as both Arabia and North Africa dried up. Prior to 1 BC, it was still possible to uses horses in North Africa and Arabia. After about 1 AD, it became to dry for horses, thus the Roman imported in Camels (through some reports indicate that while the Romans did import Camels, actual use of camel is caravans did not occur till the Arab Conquest).

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/05/080508-green-sahara.html

That the Sahara has only been as dry as it is at present since about 900 AD:
http://www.space.com/10527-earth-orbit-shaped-sahara.html

Pigs use as much water as a man, thus a desert tribe that raise pigs, has to reduce itself by one person for every pig they have. Sheep and goats both use much less water. Oxen almost as much as a pig, but could be used to haul wagons (and used as such in most deserts before the Camel, and it appears the Camel was NOT used till after 1 AD for that purpose). Thus those tribes that favored Goats and Sheep over Pigs did better in the Desert then those tribes that raised pigs. An exception was in the River Valleys of the Nile and Mesopotamian. Thus in areas where water is the limiting factor, pigs are looked down upon for economic reasons.

16. Touching the carcass of any of the above (problems here for rugby) (11:8)

You must understand, Ancient Judea was between two types of climate. It was NOT in the climate around the Actual Mediterranean Sea, thus anything to do with actual fish was hard for them to obtain (and while the coast may have access waters to keep pigs, as you went eastward water became the main concern of supply). The ancient Israelites were also in areas where farming was still possible do to rains from the Mediterranean Sea. Further east, it became to dry to farm, and thus camel replaced oxen as the main beast of burden. Thus a tendency to avoid both Camels and Pigs.

17. Eating – or touching the carcass of – any seafood without fins or scales (11:10-12)

Notice the restriction, seafood without fins or scales, in other words food that can NOT be salted and thus preserved. Given that Salt was the main form of preservation of meat till the tin can was invented in the 1800s AND that we are talking about the Temple in Jerusalem, seafood from the coast to Jerusalem would be an abomination by the time it reached Jerusalem.

18. Eating – or touching the carcass of - eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, the red kite, any kind of black kite, any kind of raven, the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat. (11:13-19)

19. Eating – or touching the carcass of – flying insects with four legs, unless those legs are jointed (11:20-22)

20. Eating any animal which walks on all four and has paws (good news for cats) (11:27)

Cats were a associated with a god of Egypt, and lets NOT forget an ancient rule, if you ate something you obtain part of its "power". Thus eating cats would be tied in with Egyptian religion and thus an act of rebellion against the Temple.

21. Eating – or touching the carcass of – the weasel, the rat, any kind of great lizard, the gecko, the monitor lizard, the wall lizard, the skink and the chameleon (11:29)

Apaches had a similar dietary law as to "Cold blooded" land creatures. provably since most of them go after pests that eat grass, and people in the desert want the grass for their own animals. The rat is a question mark, when Leviticus was "Found" in the temple, had the black rat reach Judea? It appear NO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_rat

This is questionable since it appears that Leviticus is older then the Black Rat reaching the Mediterranean. Thus what was banned, given mice are NOT banned? I suspect mice, for most mice are NOT worth the effort to capture do to their small size.

AS to Weasel, what was meant by that? Weasels do NOT exist in the Middle east, to hot for them. Thus what we call a Weasel is not the Weasel of Leviticus.

Now, other translations of the bible uses the term "Mole Rat" and "mouse" and that makes more sense then Weasel and Rat:

http://biblehub.com/leviticus/11-29.htm

The Mole rat is a small rodent, like the mouse, but is known to stay underground. Like moles hated for it could reduce crops by eating the roots:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nesokia_indica


22. Eating – or touching the carcass of – any creature which crawls on many legs, or its belly (11:41-42)

Snakes have always been associated with the Devil in Jewish Tradition, thus this tradition.


23. Going to church within 33 days after giving birth to a boy (12:4)

Women do need time to recover from Child Birth and going to Church was an effort back in the days when most people WALKED to church, even if it was 20 miles away.


24. Going to church within 66 days after giving birth to a girl (12:5)

Typical sexist attitude of the early Jews, Girls were worth less then boys thus a mother needed twice the time to recover from giving birth (this goes with the Catholic Church Doctrine at the time of the Fall of The Roman Empire, abortions were NOT murder if done before the Fetus was "non-en-souled". By the Middle Ages (when the Church was able to convince most people, women did have souls) ensoulment occurred when the child "quickened" i.e.. the mother could feel the fetus move inside her womb. To abort a non en-souled fetus was still a sin, but NOT a mortal sin. At the end of the Western Roman Empire, you had two different dates for female and male fetuses. A mother could abort a female fetus at twice the "Age" of a male fetus. The same time difference as above. By the middle ages the time period had moved to the later age for both male and female fetuses.

The following are against the law in ALL states to this day, for the simple reason incest is NOT tolerated. Now the Catholic Church Expanded this list in the Dark Ages so to spread out wealth. i.e. to many ancient families were keeping the money within their clans by marrying each other's cousins. The Catholic Church said this violated Leviticus more to spread the money around across generational lines then permit families to maintain their hold over society by keeping the money within their family.

25. Having sex with your mother (18)

26. Having sex with your father’s wife (18:8)

27. Having sex with your sister (18)

28. Having sex with your granddaughter (18:10)

29. Having sex with your half-sister (18:11)

30. Having sex with your biological aunt (18:12-13)

31. Having sex with your uncle’s wife (18:14)

32. Having sex with your daughter-in-law (18:15)

33. Having sex with your sister-in-law (18:16)

34. Having sex with a woman and also having sex with her daughter or granddaughter (bad news for Alan Clark) (18:17)

35. Marrying your wife’s sister while your wife still lives (18:18)

The following may be common sense:

36. Having sex with a woman during her period (18:19) Women tend to be crabby that time of month, why bring on a fight?

37. Having sex with your neighbor’s wife (18:20) Yes, get you neighbor, who you may have to live with for he owns the property next to your property, mad at you.

The next group are interesting. Child as Sacrificed to Molek, a pagan god, is followed by a man having sex with another man as with a woman, which itself was one form of some ancient pagan religions of the time period. Notice this is NOT listed among the list of people one should not have sex with (except sex with animals) but list of Pagan worship.

38. Giving your children to be sacrificed to Molek (18:21)

39. Having sex with a man “as one does with a woman” (18:22)

40. Having sex with an animal (18:23)

Leviticus then goes on about God Punishments for the above and said the punishment for violating any of the above was EXILE, not death. That ENDS Leviticus 18

LLeviticus 19 is about how to worship God, and the cross was NEVER considered a "metal god" or anything other then a symbol for God.

41. Making idols or “metal gods” (19:4)

The Leviticus goes into items for the poor:

42. Reaping to the very edges of a field (19) Please note it was the PUBLIC ACT of having that type of sex, that was the religious act, not having it done in the privacy of one's home. The law states

43. Picking up grapes that have fallen in your vineyard (19:10) Same as 42

Then it goes into violations of the Ten Commandments:

44. Stealing (19:11)

45. Lying (19:11)

46. Swearing falsely on God’s name (19:12)

47. Defrauding your neighbor (19:13)

Then back to producing the poor:

48. Holding back the wages of an employee overnight (not well observed these days) (19:13)

49. Cursing the deaf or abusing the blind (19:14)

50. Perverting justice, showing partiality to either the poor or the rich (19:15)

Then onto items that break up social groups (and why such things should NOT be done is to maintain group unity):

51. Spreading slander (19:16)

52. Doing anything to endanger a neighbor’s life (19:16)

53. Seeking revenge or bearing a grudge (19:18)

Then cheating, because mixing Fabrics meant back then mixing in Linen for Wool, Linen is a good hot weather material, but inferior to wool in cold weather:

54. Mixing fabrics in clothing (19:19)

The next rule appears to do with Mules, Mules have the size of a horse, with the body strength of a donkey. On the other hand it is NOT re-breed-able i.e. you can NOT use it to start a new herd. Worse, when I was doing research on Streetcars I ran across some comments made about horse drawn streetcars and that when horses were to old for continue use to haul streetcars, they still had value (i.e. they could be retrained for other jobs and thus had value even in old age). That was NOT true of Mules. Once done as hauling Wagons or Streetcars they were worthless.

55. Cross-breeding animals (19:19)

As to planting seeds in the same fields, Rye, Wheat and Barley all become ripe at different times of the year, thus if you mix them you could NOT harvest them using a scythe, but had to harvest each plant by itself. Given these were all grains that also made it easier to lose some of the grains (domestic grains since ancient times are known for the seeds to fall from the stock all at one time, one of the reason such grains became the grain of choice of farmers in the Ancient Near East).

56. Planting different seeds in the same field (19:19)

This is a separate category from the Sexual Crimes of Leviticus 18, for it requires punishment for the offense, but only for the economic loss sleeping with that slave cost the owner of the slave:

57. Sleeping with another man’s slave (19:20)

It is considered good practice to remove all the buds from a young tree, so it does NOT waste the power from the sun on making such fruit ripe. instead the tree has to concentrate the power from the sun on making the tree bigger and stronger, so a good rule of husbandry:

58. Eating fruit from a tree within four years of planting it (19:23)

Omens and Star gazing was forbidden for the same reasons most states make such actions illegal today, to easy to be used by Charlatans:

59. Practicing divination or seeking omens (tut, tut astrology) (19:26)

The Greeks were known for their fancy beards. The Romans, who prior to Scipio Aficanus, were also known for their beards, but the Romans looked down on the Greeks for the Romans just left their beards grow, it was the Greeks who trimmed them and curled them. Now, Scipio ordered his Troops to be clean shaved and short haired so any enemy would have one less thing to grab on to in a fight, this became the Roman Style till Emperor Hadrian. It came back into Style with Emperor Constantine and has been the fall back position of Western Europe ever since. As to the Ancient Jews, they were like the Ancient Romans, disliked the Greek practice of trimmed, curled and other wise fancy beards. Thus the following rule had more to do with opposition to the greeks (notice small g, to mean people who spoke Greek as oppose to people who lived in Ancient Greece, it is believe the ancient Philistines were such small g greeks, who settled in Palestine around 1000 BC, when Greece entered its own dark ages after the fall of Troy. Thus this is more an anti-Philistine rule then anything else:

60. Trimming your beard (19:27)

61. Cutting your hair at the sides (19:27)

This was another thing ancient Egyptians, Greeks and Romans practiced and the Ancient Jews Rejected:

62. Getting tattoos (19:28)

The following should need no explanation:

63. Making your daughter prostitute herself (19:29)

Same as to Star gazers, something the Jews were NOT into:

64. Turning to mediums or spiritualists (19:31)

Showing respect to other people was important, thus the next five requirements:

65. Not standing in the presence of the elderly (19:32)

66. Mistreating foreigners – “the foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born” (19:33-34)

67. Using dishonest weights and scales (19:35-36)

68. Cursing your father or mother (punishable by death) (20)

The temple of Jerusalem was like most Capital, a rat nest of vipers, Given that situation why would any Priest even THINK about doing the following UNLESS it was plot against someone:

69. Marrying a prostitute, divorcee or widow if you are a priest (21,13)

70. Entering a place where there’s a dead body as a priest (21:11)

71. Slaughtering a cow/sheep and its young on the same day (22:28)

The following is another example of a Law design to protect the poor. The rich can decide when to work and not work, the poor must do as their "betters" tell them, or they will NOT get paid. Given the power difference, the following was made so that everyone, no matter had poor, had the ability to be with his or her family at least once a week:

72. Working on the Sabbath (23:3)

The following come under the same general rules that applied to 69. 70 and 71 above:

73. Blasphemy (punishable by stoning to death) (24:14)

74. Inflicting an injury; killing someone else’s animal; killing a person must be punished in kind (24:17-22)

The following was to protect the poor, thus the poor could NOT sell their land permanently (and thus lose it) and the poor could not be sold as a slave:

75. Selling land permanently (25:23)

76. Selling an Israelite as a slave (foreigners are fine) (25:42)

Now the excepts for Foreigners only applied to foreigners who were already slaves OR by international law and custom became slaves. Thus the clause mentioned above to treat foreigners as guests would prevent foreigner from being sold UNLESS they came under those two exceptions.

[jmowreader]

64. The animal restrictions are largely disease-related

Pigs carry trichinosis, shellfish carry several diseases, rodents and the things that eat them are covered with disease-ridden insects...we didn't have the kind of science we have now so they couldn't say "this is what causes amnesic shellfish poisoning and this is how to tell when it's in the water" - but they could say "God says you are forbidden to eat shellfish."

[happyslug]

65. Trichinosis is a non problem in the mid east

The mid east is to dry for it to survive, thus a non issue in the mid east. Thus the problem is water not disease.

[elleng]

2. Right!

[Johnny Noshoes]

12. That's one of my favorite scenes....

nt.

[Lochloosa]

20. Damn...now I'm going to have to pull out Season 1 and start all over again.

Thanks.

[elleng]

22. Me, too,

but I'll do it via netflix. Just watched the finale again!

[liberal N proud]

3. Scripture is only useful when reinforcing your views.

Smorgasbord Christianity

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. This appeared on the Internets a while back: "Why can't I own a Canadian?"

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18: 22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1: 9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21: 7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35: 2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11: 10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

I know from Lev. 11: 6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

http://www.humanistsofutah.org/2002/WhyCantIOwnACanadian_10-02.html

[ChisolmTrailDem]

8. I'm curious, did Dr. Laura ever respond to this? n/t

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

10. Probably not...

[NuclearDem]

11. Well, a Canadian is a lot of responsibility.

You've got to get them vaccinated for hockey hair, and then the syrup and bacon gets really expensive after a while.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

13. And feed them poutine. I don't even know where to get poutine, eh?

[NuclearDem]

14. Well, I suppose you could just get away with Beggin Strips.

After all, Canadians don't know it's not BACON.

[riqster]

40. They also get points for having the only honestly-named political party in history.

The Canadian Reform Alliance Party.

CRAP, for short.

[LynneSin]

55. Bacon is a violation - no pigs

Just saying!

[DeSwiss]

32. Why can't you own a Canadian? Here's why:

- It's very risky. You never know when they'll go bad on ya and start smoking crack......

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

63. I'd throw that one back.

[BlueStreak]

5. Is 40 out of 76 a good score?

[jmowreader]

7. I keep telling you and telling you...

Stay away from those damn White Owls. There are much better cigars.

[longship]

58. Yup! Burning feathers smell like shit!

And I'm not too sure there are better ones...

[Botany]

15. # 15. would be a problem for the Duck Dudes

http://www.aetv.com/duck-dynasty/exclusives/recipes-from-miss-kays-duck-commander-kitchen

If you can't get squirrel meat use rabbit for Miss Kay's squirrel and dumplings

******

BTW can I sell a DUer into slavery? Just asking.

[Motown_Johnny]

16. "Daughter" doesn't make the list?

I see "Don't have sex with your...."

Mother

Father's wife

Sister

Half-sister

etc. etc. etc.


But I don't see daughter or niece on the list.

[DeSwiss]

33. And for obvious reasons......

- They didn't want to go all retroactive on Lot's ass......

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[Motown_Johnny]

38. Lot's daughters had not "known man"

He wasn't having sex with them.


http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2019&version=KJV



^snip^


6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

[JHB]

45. Read down a little farther:

31 And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:

32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

33 And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

34 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

35 And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

37 And the first born bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day.

38 And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day.

I suppose you could say that since "he perceived not", it didn't qualify as sex on his part (he didn't know that he knew them), but no virgin births here: those boys got started by the standard procedure.

[Motown_Johnny]

47. Oh come on...

If a man gets a woman so drunk that he can have sex with her and she "perceived not" then we would call it rape.

Can we really blame Lot for this?

[DeSwiss]

49. I'm sorrry, but you're talkin' to a PK here:

- That's an earlier passage that you're referring to. The reason they hadn't known man at this point in the chapter is because they were still virgins. Their father Lot was offering his two virgin daughters to a crowd of men who had gathered outside his home and demanded to screw the men (angels) they saw going in there.

These clowns had no idea they were about to be stricken blind but that's what the angels did back in those days I guess. They didn't bullshit around. Then they told Lot to take his family and get outta Dodge. He did but his wife looks back at the city and is turned into a pillar of salt. Lot is now a widow.

They escape to a cave and in the way that this passage is written, it's made to appear as if the whole idea was his daughter's because of some supposed fear of not finding husbands with the city destroyed and all and of course, not having children. So they get their father drunk and have their way with him. And voila! They were fruitful and they multiplied. Just like in the beginning. Sort of......

Genesis 19:1-8
New International Version (NIV)
Sodom and Gomorrah Destroyed

1 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2 “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.”

“No,” they answered, “we will spend the night in the square.”

3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”

6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2019:1-8&version=NIV

Genesis 19:30-36
New International Version (NIV)
Lot and His Daughters

30 Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave. 31 One day the older daughter said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is no man around here to give us children—as is the custom all over the earth. 32 Let’s get our father to drink wine and then sleep with him and preserve our family line through our father.”

33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and slept with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

36 So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+19:30-36&version=NIV

[Motown_Johnny]

50. I answered this in post #47 n/t

[DeSwiss]

53. Blame wasn't an issue with me at any point.....

...I was simply stating what happened.

The comment prior to the one I first posted had indicated that there was no abolition against sex with a daughter and I simply indicated that the Lot incident may be the reason why. Of course none of this makes any sense anyway since it is not to be taken as literal but as metaphor.

For example, Adam and Eve had the two boys, right? -- Cain and Able. Cain killed Abel because Yahweh loved his meat sacrifice better than Cain's veggies. After Yahweh confronts Cain with the murder, he doesn't kill him, but places a mark on his head and sends him packing out into the wilderness. Whereupon he later finds a wife, has a family and builds a city.

- Hmmm..... now where'd all that come from???

[Ganja Ninja]

36. Nothing at all about sex with children of either sex.

I'm guessing that's deliberate because they don't seem to shy about laying out the don't do's.

[Motown_Johnny]

41. I think the son thing is implied

since they are only talking to men (in their eyes, women did not deserve to be noted) I think the whole thing about not being with another man implies to not have sex with your son. Or grandson, or nephew, etc. etc. etc..

[d_b]

17. i was good until 36

here i come, satan

[bobclark86]

23. And here I thought that's what shower sex was for... n/t

[Vashta Nerada]

29. I did 36 as well.

And many others in this list.

[progressoid]

18. Damn damn damn. And we were going to sacrifice one of our kids to Molek in a couple days!

The Bible is ruining our Christmas!

[Igel]

19. There are a lot of things in that list most would find objectionable.

If you're trying to say, "If there's one thing on this list that's not objectionable, therefore one particular item isn't objectionable," I can't follow the logic.

It would also, cet. par., entail that since you mix fibres in clothing it's okay to make your kid daughter hook or it's okay to screw your mother and sister on the same day you do your dog or sell a relative into slavery. I don't think you think that. I think the easy shoot-down is the goal, not its implications.

This the craziest fundie preacher's reasoning. All the restrictions are same, and violating any one is the same as violating all of them. In a sense, sure; but if you look around there are different penalties, different rationales, different extents of application. (Except the fundies also have arguments that they consider sound for disposing of some of the points--mixing fibres or seeds in fields. Moral versus ceremonial law, IIRC.)

[PeaceNikki]

21. This link includes the penalties for each

http://hill-kleerup.org/blog/2012/06/13/76-things-banned-in-leviticus-and-their-penalties.html

[Tab]

24. Leviticus was a bit of a nutcase.

Jes' saying.

The whole chapter is full of fun and restrictions.

[DeSwiss]

37. ''They'' were a bit of a nutcase.

Leviticus is a reference not to a person but rather the tribe of the Levites. This was the tribe of Joshua and of Miriam, Samuel, Ezekiel, Ezra, and Malachi. And it was also the tribe from which came Moses (who ''supposedly'' compiled the book) and his brother Aaron. Who, after the now-famous escape from bondage, became the tribe from which came the priests of the Temple.

[napkinz]

25. here's one ...

[AtheistCrusader]

27. Technically not a violation of 10:6

"6 And Moses said unto Aaron and unto Eleazar and unto Ithamar, his sons, “Uncover not your heads, neither rend your clothes, lest ye die, and lest wrath come upon all the people; but let your brethren, the whole house of Israel, bewail the burning which the Lord hath kindled."

These guys wear bandannas/hats. It's not talking about facial hair.

That said, still a pack of assholes.

[eallen]

26. The perfect list for accidental emoticons!

[geardaddy]

42. That's what I thought

[DeSwiss]

28. 12. Letting your hair become unkempt (10:6)

- The Kazon are all screwed, they're born that way!!!!

K&R

[NickB79]

30. Check out #66. The Teabaggers would have a stroke

66. Mistreating foreigners – “the foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born” (19:33-34)

Someone needs to print that one out and start handing it out at every Teabag meeting, especially in the Southwest.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

31. What about "stuffing 47 tennis balls down thine toilet"?

[Initech]

34. No metal gods???????

[arcane1]

52. Dammit, you beat me to it!

[OriginalGeek]

56. Same!

lol, you beat me to mentioning he beat me to it.

[skamaria]

35. Turning to mediums or spritualist.

A real problem for church folk. Also a bit of irony..

[SCVDem]

44. A major problem for Ronnie Reagan!

How many psychics did they consult.

How much American policy was affected?

Please Teabaggers, tell us more about St. Ronnie!

[albino65]

39. It fits

The crackers need to be careful.

#'s 25 through 37 fits the basic demographic of those whom watcheth the abominable duck dynastics.

[On the Road]

43. You Do Realize the Difference Between Leviticus 18:22 and Most of the Other References?

Most of these refer to the Jewish ritual law. For Christians, the New Testament makes clear in a number of passages that dietary and other ritual laws not longer apply to Christians.

Whom to have sex with has always been considered a matter of moral law -- long before anyone might have thought that the Bible might be silent on same-sex relations.

Jesus may have enjoined the Levitical law on his Jewish listeners, while Paul did not. However, in modern terms, both men would be considered extremely conservative in their sexual teachings. Personal sexual identity was not a recognized concept, but condoning any kind of sex outside of marriage was unthinkable, much less between two people of the same sex.

The attempts to reinterpret the Bible in the last few decades make some interesting points. But silly arguments like this only speak to the unaware and roll right off anyone who knows the Bible. It is much easier to convince Christians that the moral restrictions on homosexuality should be a religious matter and not affect legal and social inequalities in benefits, taxes, vistation rights, etc.

[Ligyron]

59. But Jesus said not one jot or tittle of the law shall be changed. confusing

How many generations removed from Jesus time was this Saul or Paul? Oh well, Guess he knows better than his lord.

[Kingofalldems]

46. Maybe one of Phil's internet pals can enlighten us.

[hrmjustin]

48. Never cared for the book.

[mwooldri]

51. Geesh. Literal read of the bible == reading at a child's level.

That is if you believe Rabbi Alan Lurie ( from something I just came up with on a quick search: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-alan-lurie/is-the-bible-the-word-of-god_b_3000664.html ). I see it from his point of view, and I'm not Jewish - that "the Bible is read at many levels."

He goes on to say that there's four levels to understanding the Bible, and the first level - the literal understanding - is on the level of a child's understanding.

In his article he goes on to say things like "The Bible must be read as a whole and in context", that "the Bible requires interpretation", and that "the Bible is read in many foreign languages".

So IMO doesn't matter what anyone quotes to me about Leviticus. Have they read the whole book? Those spouting out just that verse probably have not.

[Gary 50]

57. Yeah, how convenient.

So when the bible says something you don't agree with, that is reading it too literally. But when you are using it to denounce someone else it must mean exactly what it says. I guess that's what they mean when they say the devil can quote the Bible to his own purpose. It's all in the interpretation. I read it to say wine, women and song are the purpose of life and going to church is a waste of time. If you say I'm wrong, well you are just reading it to literally.

[LynneSin]

54. Yeah there's about 20-30 in there I know I've violated

#2 - never offered any Salt to God
#3 - I eat fat everyday and to have a diet without any fat is actually a dangerous thing. Fat is needed by the body for cellular functions.
#4 - Does rare steaks count - they are bloody.
#5 - I'm sure there are wrongdoings I have witnessed but no one actually wanted my opinion on them.
#6 - Same with being told about wrongdoings.
#7 - My cat Evita is probably the most unclean animal I've ever seen and I will still touch her if she let's me.
#8 - I'm sure in my lifetime I have promised on things that didn't really ever intend to make good on (Careless Oath)
#10 - Does 'Lost Property' include the $40 I found in a Staples parking lot that I just kept? So sue me.
#12 - I think the fact that I did not wash my hair all weekend pretty much means it was unkempt
#13 - Ok two thoughts on this - first I've torn clothes but on accident. Does that make it a sin. And what about those of us who might use an old t-shirt as a dust rag. I'd hate to tell my mother she's going to rot in hell for that one.
#15 - Bacon! Enough said.
#16 - Football - more than enough said!
#17 - Hardshell crabs sauted in Garlic - yummy!
#18 - What a trip, my family still has a stuffed owl that use to be in my father's office. Yes a real owl that was stuffed. I think it's illegal to stuff owls these days but that thing has got to be about 50 years old.
#19 - No clue what the hell the bible is talking about since by definition Insects have 6 legs. Then again it is something that could have been extinct for years
#20 - If I'm correct animals like Rabbit and Squirrels have paws and I have dined on those
#21 - I'm guessing those pet geckos were not a good idea but I only pet them, not dined on them.
#22 - I've handled snakes and centipedes
#23 & #24 - I'm childless so I'm good
#25-#35, 37 - Haven't done any of those
#36 - No comment
#38 - Well I don't have kids and I have no clue who Molek is.
#39 - I have never had lesbian sex with a man. Just saying.
#40 - nope
#41 - Metal Gods - I guess my adoration of Led Zeppelin might qualify as a violation of this one
#44 - I guess I will rot in the depths of hell for that pack of gum I shoplifted when I was 9 years old.
#45 - I never ever Lie - seriously NEVER
#53 - I've held a few grudges in my lifetime
#54 - Yeah we're all sinners with this one
#56 - So I will rot in hell for having a backyard garden?
#60 - Does plucking that giant hair that grows in my chin count as 'shaving my beard'?
#72 - I've worked on Sundays

[Enthusiast]

60. I've never sold a single Israelite.

[NYC_SKP]

62. "Marrying a prostitute, divorcee or widow if you are a priest"??? Are you SERIOUS?

Don't eat anything fun, don't cut any hair on any part of your body, and no sleeping with ANYONE!!!

Is there anything that you COULD do???