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Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:05 AM

 

Hillary or Elizabeth?

Following up on the results of: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4202593
71 votes, 0 passes | Time left: Unlimited
Hillary!
7 (10%)
Elizabeth!
60 (85%)
Same diff!
0 (0%)
Neither!
4 (6%)
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Reply Hillary or Elizabeth? (Original post)
MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 OP
painesghost Dec 2013 #1
MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #5
painesghost Dec 2013 #11
brooklynite Dec 2013 #75
MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #83
brooklynite Dec 2013 #90
MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #98
socialist_n_TN Dec 2013 #134
JaneyVee Dec 2013 #2
winter is coming Dec 2013 #3
Logical Dec 2013 #4
spanone Dec 2013 #6
MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #19
sheshe2 Dec 2013 #7
MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #10
sheshe2 Dec 2013 #14
MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #17
brooklynite Dec 2013 #77
MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #112
treestar Dec 2013 #56
LittleBlue Dec 2013 #8
sheshe2 Dec 2013 #9
Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #12
politichew Dec 2013 #13
markpkessinger Feb 2014 #144
NoOneMan Dec 2013 #15
MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #16
NoOneMan Dec 2013 #21
KittyWampus Dec 2013 #22
MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #27
Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #59
winter is coming Dec 2013 #23
TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #38
Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #43
MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #53
11 Bravo Dec 2013 #106
MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #107
Throd Dec 2013 #92
Orsino Dec 2013 #69
MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #121
Orsino Dec 2013 #140
Beacool Dec 2013 #70
NoOneMan Dec 2013 #72
Beacool Dec 2013 #84
NoOneMan Dec 2013 #88
11 Bravo Dec 2013 #109
NoOneMan Dec 2013 #111
11 Bravo Dec 2013 #113
winter is coming Dec 2013 #117
Beacool Dec 2013 #119
winter is coming Dec 2013 #127
brooklynite Dec 2013 #74
NoOneMan Dec 2013 #76
brooklynite Dec 2013 #79
NoOneMan Dec 2013 #82
brooklynite Dec 2013 #89
NoOneMan Dec 2013 #91
brooklynite Dec 2013 #125
Beacool Dec 2013 #136
Chan790 Dec 2013 #132
LuvLoogie Dec 2013 #18
scheming daemons Dec 2013 #54
99Forever Dec 2013 #129
Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #20
Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #24
MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #25
Aerows Dec 2013 #32
daleanime Dec 2013 #34
Aerows Dec 2013 #36
daleanime Dec 2013 #39
Aerows Dec 2013 #41
treestar Dec 2013 #57
LeftyMom Dec 2013 #26
InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2013 #45
Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #28
Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #29
Aerows Dec 2013 #30
MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #31
Aerows Dec 2013 #33
JDPriestly Dec 2013 #44
MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #63
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Beacool Dec 2013 #71
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Aerows Dec 2013 #40
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joshcryer Dec 2013 #48
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Scuba Dec 2013 #50
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treestar Dec 2013 #55
MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #58
treestar Dec 2013 #61
Iggo Dec 2013 #60
xchrom Dec 2013 #62
NuclearDem Dec 2013 #64
CFLDem Dec 2013 #65
Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #67
fbc Dec 2013 #66
Orsino Dec 2013 #68
MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #81
Beacool Dec 2013 #86
MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #100
Beacool Dec 2013 #120
MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #122
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MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #137
Orsino Dec 2013 #141
brooklynite Dec 2013 #73
MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #80
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MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #97
JoePhilly Dec 2013 #101
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MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #105
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MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #115
Liberalynn Dec 2013 #78
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Beacool Dec 2013 #87
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longship Dec 2013 #110
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99Forever Dec 2013 #128
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pnwmom Feb 2014 #143

Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:09 AM

1. I voted Warren even though she would not be my first choice.

I'm more partial to Dean or Schweitzer. She is someone I could easily rally behind though. I will vote for Hillary if she is nominated, but can't bring myself to campaign for her.

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Response to painesghost (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:11 AM

5. How about Dean/Warren or Warren/Dean?

 

That's my favorite fantasy choice. Dean was a governor ad DNC chair, knows how to run big things, has a good heart although he's a bit to the right - but trainable. Warren is... Warren.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:17 AM

11. I'd be for that combo! n/t

I'd probably lean more Dean/Warren though.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 04:37 PM

75. Simpler solution...go with the candidate both Warren and Dean like

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #75)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 04:57 PM

83. Can you point to a link

 

Where Warren says she endorses Hillary?

Thanks.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #83)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 05:18 PM

90. Nobody's endorsed anybody at this point.

But if Warren asks someone else to run, I going to assume she's supportive of the campaign before I try to come up with a convoluted argument like "she just wants a wide-open primary".

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #90)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 06:13 PM

98. Can you point to a link where Warren's asked Hillary to run?

 

Thanks again.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #90)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 08:09 PM

134. Why is that convoluted?...

I'm not sure of the reasoning about that. Just because you think someone should run if they want it, doesn't necessarily mean you are a rabid supporter.

I mean I (and the group I'm in) actually DID endorse Sawant, but that doesn't mean I agree with her "Trotskyism".

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:09 AM

2. 2014

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:10 AM

3. Warren, or someone who shares her views. n/t

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:11 AM

4. LOL, Hillary? Really? nt

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:12 AM

6. repost in 2 years

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Response to spanone (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:41 AM

19. DU is consistently 2-3 years ahead of the Democratic Party in general

 

Which is why this poll is so interesting.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:12 AM

7. 2014!

GOTV2014!

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:16 AM

10. Have you sent a letter to the "Ready for Hillary" people?

 

They have a huge amount of money; perhaps it's better spent on winning 2014?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:24 AM

14. 2014...

Is my concern at the moment.

I will see who is running in 2016 when it happens! I will then make my decision, as of yet I have not.

Sorry to disappoint you Manny, I have not yet made up my mind.

GOTV 2014!

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:29 AM

17. So you're OK with the Ready for Hillary People hurling cash

 

at Hillary's candidacy today?

But the rest of us need a ruler across the knuckles?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 04:39 PM

77. Rest assure the RFH people are chipping in for 2014 as well...

...I know a lot of them. We're ponying up for House, Senate and Governor races. But we're also able to multi-task.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #77)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 06:55 PM

112. I think we can *all* multitask

 

I don't get the "2014 only!" stuff. It seemed to me that if we wanted a non-Hillarian candidate, we'd need to start now.

Given the results of this poll... not so concerned anymore. I suspect the whole Party will feel this way in a year or two.

But I'm sure that we'll both keep plugging away.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 09:03 AM

56. Right she she!

President Obama has more than three years left! Imagine what he could do with a really D Congress.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:12 AM

8. Elizabeth!

ABH all the way

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:14 AM

9. 2014!

Vote as if your life depends on it, and it does!

GOTV 2014!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:20 AM

12. No to Hillary. Had enough of that crap. nt

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:23 AM

13. Warren / De Blasio! nt

 

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Response to politichew (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 13, 2014, 12:51 AM

144. Oh, no you don't!

We New Yorkers have waited for TWENTY-FOUR YEARS for a progressive mayor. Now that we have one, you're not going to take him from us that quickly!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:25 AM

15. The Hilllary fan club hates seeing the truth

 

They think she is the only viable candidate to prevent Republicans from winning, yet in reality, she isn't liked nor trusted. humans have a tendency to assume their personal views are more common in a population than they really are

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:28 AM

16. This is an astonishing result

 

I would never have guessed that it would be this lopsided. Something very, very interesting is going on.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 02:03 AM

21. Warren appears genuine, honest and organic

 

Compared to wooden, rehearsed and well funded. The country will fall in love with her, and would be very lucky if she decided to run (no matter what may come of it).

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 02:06 AM

22. delete- you aren't worth it.

 

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #22)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 02:30 AM

27. I was put on Earth to

 

test your impulse control.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #22)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 09:08 AM

59. "yeah, my guess is a lot of people most likely have you on ignore to avoid OP's such as this."

That must be why Manny's threads consistantly hit the top of the Greatest Page.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 02:11 AM

23. It's kind of late at night. Maybe the Hillary supporters aren't night owls. n/t

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 03:06 AM

38. Yeah-- over 50 people voted for Warren but...

thousands more just don't give a shit.

2014-- when we have to take back the House

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 03:16 AM

43. I think this is good evidence that DU is not necessarily a proper cross section of the electorate.

I doubt many outside of politically active leftist groups even know that Elizabeth Warren exists. In a contest where name recognition is unfortunately very important, I just don't think Warren could pull through. Granted, Obama wasn't exactly a household name before the 08 election cycle.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #43)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 08:49 AM

53. I think that DU=Democratic Party

 

Only two years earlier.

The Third Way is finished.

The question to be answered is whether FDR Democrats can catch on with non-Democrats. I think we will.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #53)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 06:42 PM

106. Manny, I have always found you to be politically perceptive (and funny as Hell)! But ...

if you believe that you, or I, or DU as a whole, is reflective of the Democratic Party at large, I may have to re-think at least one of those assessments.
Trust me, I wish you were right, but right now I'm just not seeing it.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #106)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 06:47 PM

107. Did you read my message text?

 

We're a couple of years ahead of the rest of the party.

I think.

We'll see!

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #43)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 05:41 PM

92. President Kucinich would disagree with you.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 03:28 PM

69. Hardly.

Warren has been a DU favorite for quite a while, for saying things the big players and DLCers won't.

How could anyone not have foreseen this poll result?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #121)

Sun Dec 22, 2013, 09:05 AM

140. I guess the takeaway is:

We love Warren, but I guess we're gonna back Clinton anyway.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 03:52 PM

70. Pot, meet the kettle.

She isn't liked nor trusted by who? The denizens of LW blogs? Despite all evidence to the contrary, they insist that her popularity is somehow non existent. Yet, she's ahead of her nearest potential rival (Biden) by 58%.

The LW Fan Club is the one who hates the truth.

Keep dreaming........

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Response to Beacool (Reply #70)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 04:29 PM

72. This shows just how deeply people can fool themselves

 

The LW Fan Club is the one who hates the truth.



The poll results speak for themselves

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #72)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 04:58 PM

84. This site represents a minority within the party.

This place does not represent the real world.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #84)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 05:06 PM

88. Yeah, that's why its being renamed Green Anarchy Underground!

 



DU has towed the line for Obama hand in hand with ordinary Democrats.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #88)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 06:48 PM

109. FYI, it's "toed" the line. As in stood by it. We're not pulling it to another location.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #109)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 06:51 PM

111. I know that!

 

I'm getting older and dumber. Thanks

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #111)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 06:55 PM

113. I don't doubt it, and I wasn't trying to be snarky. When I screw up ...

(and it seems to be happening more and more often) I hope someone points it out to me so I can stop doing it!

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Response to Beacool (Reply #84)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 07:00 PM

117. That would be the minority that is more likely to donate time and money and talk politics

with their friends than folks in the "real" world.

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #117)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 07:08 PM

119. Maybe so, but these creative posts don't reflect reality.

Last edited Fri Dec 20, 2013, 08:05 PM - Edit history (1)

They only reflect what some of the denizens of DU feel, but not what the majority of Democrats are saying in poll after poll.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #119)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 07:32 PM

127. Three years before the election? It's a name-recognition contest.

Given how well her name is known, Hillary would be doomed if she weren't leading in those polls.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 04:36 PM

74. And the truth is...a group of liberal bloggers doesn't like her?

Bet she didn't see that coming.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #74)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 04:38 PM

76. Oh, I thought that was her base, no?

 

Should we include right-wing bloggers too?

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #76)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 04:51 PM

79. No, just pointing out the difference between the folks here...

...and ordinary Democratic voters who according to all polls strongly support her.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #79)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 04:57 PM

82. Don't fool yourself into thinking DU is any exclusive and especially leftist group

 

It isn't special in any way from "ordinary Democratic voters" as far as ideology is concerned. If anything, DU posters may simply be more informed of news or informed at an earlier point in time.

More here may know of Elizabeth Warren. There is plenty of time for the ordinary Democratic voters to learn about her. It definitely seems there is significant reason to do so, based on this level of excitement.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #82)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 05:17 PM

89. Of course the reason NOT to do so is...she doesn't want to run.

Wouldn't you be better off finding a progressive who DOES want to run (I'm not sure Sanders falls into that category yet), rather than keep dreaming that Warren will change her mind?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #89)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 05:20 PM

91. Hillary hasn't exactly declared to the world yet that she wants to run

 

Yet she is still the number 1 pick of 10% here. Give it up already! Focus on someone actually running already!

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #91)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 07:26 PM

125. Ah, but here's the difference...

Neither Clinton or Warren has announced they're running. But.....

Clinton says she's thinking about it. Warren says she DOES NOT WANT TO RUN.

Supporters of Clinton are raising serious money and organizing thousands of volunteers to step in if she DOES decide to run. Supporters of Warren are...posting messages here saying they hope she'll change her mind.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #125)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 08:13 PM

136. I honestly don't think that Liz Warren will run.

The kind of money needed to run a presidential campaign nowadays is tremendous (about a billion dollars). For me the most telling factor that she was serious about not running came when her biggest money man told prospective donors (who had contacted him after the article in New Republic appeared) that she had no intention to run. It makes perfect sense to me. She never has been in elected office and she may feel that she found a perfect niche where she can make a difference.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #79)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 07:58 PM

132. The same as 2008.

 

Ordinary Democratic voters who according to all polls strongly supported her...until they were given a choice.

I think Manny's right...2 years from now, we'll be talking about the second Hillary collapse.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:30 AM

18. Pointless poll. They aren't running against each other, and...

...95% of those who would vote for one would vote for the other.

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Response to LuvLoogie (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 08:54 AM

54. this

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Response to LuvLoogie (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 07:43 PM

129. Says who?

Got ANY proof of that bullshit claim?

Post it.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 02:02 AM

20. If I had to choose between the two at this point

 

I'd go for Warren.

I doubt very many DUers would choose Hillary over her.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 02:16 AM

24. What a strange poll, given that they have both said they are not running.

I mean, it's just about in the realms of possibility that one of these two might change her mind and decide to run. But both? Inconceivable.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 02:22 AM

25. You may say I'm a dreamer.... nt

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #25)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 02:54 AM

32. And you are not the only one ... n/t

 

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Response to Aerows (Reply #32)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 03:01 AM

34. I hope some day you'll join us....

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Response to daleanime (Reply #34)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 03:04 AM

36. And the world will live as one :) n/t

 

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Response to Aerows (Reply #36)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 03:08 AM

39. And with that beautiful hope...

its off to bed I go.

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Response to daleanime (Reply #39)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 03:11 AM

41. Pleasant dreams, daleanime :)

 

may they all be beautiful and full of hope, peace and joy.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 09:04 AM

57. It's so far away that those who will be running in the primaries

are probably going to be people no one imagines now.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 02:25 AM

26. Of the two I'd go with Warren by a mile,

although the little bit I've heard about her and foreign policy didn't seem promising. Still couldn't be worse than Hillary on that front.

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #26)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 03:43 AM

45. What foreign policy of Hillary's? Cozying up to foreign dictators who institute abusive policies against women?

I'll take Warren any day, someone who will stand up for women and the downtrodden all over the world.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 02:41 AM

28. Hillary. LOL...nt.

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 02:41 AM

29. Yo Manny

Thanks for keeping your eye on the ball while we're off duck hunting..

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 02:50 AM

30. Warren

 

No further questions, and not because she is a woman. Unless it was Warren or Sanders. Then it would be a Sanders/Warren ticket, but they can't because the are from the same state, so it's back to the drawing board.

Either Sanders or Warren.

Did you mention Hillary?



Oh.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #30)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 02:53 AM

31. Same state of mind, perhaps

 

But not the same state.

We're in a death match with VT over who gets to be the most Liberal state.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #31)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 02:57 AM

33. Oh God, you are right

 

that was a stupid thing of me to say/think.

Then Sanders VT/Warren MA it is, for me. (I'm an idiot and forgot who was from where in New England). I'm from so far South we think Pennsylvania is part of New England.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #31)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 03:34 AM

44. Are you forgetting California and Oregon, two very liberal states.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #44)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 10:40 AM

63. Yeah, you could make an argument for them too.

 

CA and MA are probably the butt of most jokes in this regard.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 03:01 AM

35. Glad to see Hillary supporters aren't as numerous as many threads indicate.

 

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Response to fbc (Reply #35)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 03:56 PM

71. Maybe not on DU, but in the real world we are in the millions.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 03:06 AM

37. I think the polls run by the media are fixed...

HC can't be so far ahead that they say she is unbeatable...

She wouldn't win a vote in DU to be host of a group unless it's her own...

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #37)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 03:10 AM

40. I'm not voting for her

 

We need someone else. Martin O'Malley is a great place to start. I like him. And if we are reaching, hell, Wendy Davis. I like her more.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #40)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 03:45 AM

46. Yes, like MOM too. Doing great things for Maryland. Future star!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 03:15 AM

42. Warren/Davis

 

has a nice ring to it.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 04:38 AM

47. The official narrative is deeply wounded.

The establishment will not tolerate such insolence.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 06:11 AM

48. She's the only one who so far can challenge her.

Unfortunately.

And Clinton destroys her in polls.

Hope Warren runs. Not sure I could fight harder for a candidate.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 06:18 AM

49. Right now neither

Though I'd lean toward Warren. We've been having this same tired old debate on DU for months now.

As I've said before, I maybe willing to wait longer into the actual primary cycle to support someone then I did back in 2008 election when I supported Obama a full year and a half before the GE.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 07:23 AM

51. If Warren runs she will have my full support.

Clinton cannot go uncontested.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 07:31 AM

52. k&r for Elizabeth Warren. n/t

-Laelth

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 09:03 AM

55. 2014

Quit trying to divide Democrats over an election three years away. It is not primary season.

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Response to treestar (Reply #55)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 09:08 AM

58. Have you contacted the Ready for Hillary! people?

 

I'm sure they'd like to hear that they shouldn't be spending millions on their efforts.

As to dividing Democrats... Based on the results of this thread, it looks like there's great unity.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #58)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 09:10 AM

61. It's still three years away and Hillary has not declared

Those people are wasting their time.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 09:09 AM

60. 2014.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 09:14 AM

62. elizabeth. nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 11:31 AM

64. Elizabeth. No more Third Way bullshit.

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 12:00 PM

65. Hillary brings Bill

 

No one can match that. Warren would be good for VP though.

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Response to CFLDem (Reply #65)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 02:44 PM

67. Well, that's OK...probably all the possible candidates have unsavory baggage besides Hillary.

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 02:35 PM

66. K&R

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 03:23 PM

68. Well, given that Warren has ruled out running...

...that leaves us with Secretary Inevitable Dynasty.

She might well be Obama's third term, but given an electorate crying for progressive relief, she might dare to do more.

Warren? We need her in government, the higher up the better.

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Response to Orsino (Reply #68)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 04:55 PM

81. So has Hillary

 

Several times.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #81)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 05:00 PM

86. You know perfectly well that this week she told Barbara Walters that she's thinking about it.

Stop playing coy.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #86)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 06:15 PM

100. Hmmm. So Hillary might change her mind, but Warren won't?

 

Interesting.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #100)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 07:10 PM

120. Warren has been a senator for barely 10 months and never been in elected office.

There will be several people running, but I bet that one of them is not going to be Liz Warren.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #120)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 07:12 PM

122. I guess there's no precedent for a first-term Senator running

 

You win, then.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #122)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 07:20 PM

123. That's not a good analogy.

Obama had been a state senator for some years before running. Besides, this is not 2008. Lightning doesn't strike twice. In 2008 any Democrat would have won the WH after the Bush years, the wars and the economic downturn. We will have the reverse situation in 2016, since it's the Democrats who are now in power. Whether we will keep the WH will depend on the economic situation at the time and how well the ACA is working by then.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #123)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 08:18 PM

137. One great thing in Warren's favor is that

 

she doesn't have the Third-Way baggage. She can credibly speak about change. She's actually effected quite a bit of change.

The economy cannot improve in any real way until we end the bipartisan love of austerity. What's a Third-Way candidate going to say: "Vote for me, I'll continue the same policies but this time it will work"? Doesn't seem like a winning pitch.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #137)

Sun Dec 22, 2013, 09:07 AM

141. Fuck, yeah.

One of the things I liked most about Obama was his lack of Washington experience. We know what that does to people.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 04:35 PM

73. Tick, tick tick...

Another week gone by...and you're no closer to having an actual effort to get Warren to change her mind, or to get a real progressive into the race than you were before.

But online polls are always fun.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #73)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 04:55 PM

80. Hillary's said she's not running in 2016

 

Several times.

Any particular reason why you failed to mention *that*?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #80)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 06:03 PM

94. Maybe because she said this the other day ...

In a Wednesday interview with ABC's Barbara Walters, who named the former first lady the "Most Fascinating Person of 2013," Clinton said she hadn't yet made up her mind on a presidential run. She assured Walters her announcement would come soon.

"Obviously, I will look carefully at what I think I can do and make that decision sometime next year," Clinton said.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/18/hillary-clinton-2016-decision_n_4470539.html

That's definitely not a NO.

In fact, it sort of fits the pattern of some one who is not ready to announce just yet, but who does not want the donors who are currently giving money to her support groups to stop doing so.

Warren has actually said NO at a point in time at which it would impact early donors and support groups from setting up shop in caucus states.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #94)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 06:12 PM

97. So Warren's "no" counts, but Hillary's doesn't?

 

Because Hillary then said "maybe"?

Interesting.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #97)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 06:18 PM

101. Let me know when Warren says "maybe" ... lol.



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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #101)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 06:25 PM

103. So Hillary running was laughable until 48 hours ago, then it wasn't.

 

Got it, Chief.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #103)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 06:27 PM

104. Your desperation is what's laughable.

You've spent 2 days saying Hillary said she wasn't running even though she said she might.

I am enjoying your politically naive act.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #104)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 06:32 PM

105. Sorry, I'm a little confused here. Help me out.

 

When does it count that a politician says they're not running, and when doesn't it count?

You're a very smart person and you "get" these things - I'm not so blessed and could appreciate a little help.

Thanks!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #105)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 06:48 PM

108. I like this new "Politically Naive Manny" persona.

I'm guessing it gives you a way to still believe that Hillary won't run, and that Warren will.

And please, I'm sure you've watched plenty of politicians play the "guess if I'm running" game.

They start out with "No, not running". And many never leave that place.

But some, slowly shift. "It's unlikely", "Its not something I think about"

Then .. "I'll make that decision down the road."

So on. They hedge right up until they are ready to announce.

So far, Warren is still at "Not running", and Hillary has recently jumped to "I'll make that decision some time next year."

Hillary is thinking about it, and she's letting her donors know it. Warren, not so much.

So please, keep this new persona around ... he's hilarious.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #108)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 06:58 PM

115. It's a vehicle for pointing out hypocrisy nt

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 04:39 PM

78. Elizabeth

 

is my first choice.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 04:59 PM

85. Kucinich!...nt

Sid

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 05:02 PM

87. Meanwhile, in the real world..........

With eyes on Hillary Clinton, Democrats fight to maintain digital edge

President Barack Obama’s team of 20-something data gurus gave him a major edge in 2008 and 2012 — and now they’re among the leading players in a quiet struggle for control of the Democratic data market in 2016.

The biggest prize, both symbolically and financially, is a spot on the growing team surrounding Obama’s 2008 rival: Hillary Clinton.

The 2016 presidential campaign will be Big Data’s biggest proving ground yet. Expect the savviest campaigns and their techies to surpass Obama’s vaunted 2012 effort, where data and analytics influenced everything from which fundraising emails went where and which ads aired when on different cable stations, to which doors got knocked and what the volunteer said when they opened.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/12/2016-digital-campaign-101180.html

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 06:03 PM

93. No more Clintons and no more Bushes. (n/t)

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 06:09 PM

95. Biden/ProSense

A Joe, a Pro, 2016.

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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #95)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 06:19 PM

102. That would also be a fine ticket, IMO.

 

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Response to closeupready (Reply #102)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 07:01 PM

118. Not unless

it's for Pres/VP of anonymous posters on the Internets.

Still, thanks.



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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #95)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 07:00 PM

116. .




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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 06:10 PM

96. Elizabeth Warren says what she means and means what she says. She doesn't play coy

She isn't a typical politician. That's why I respect her so much. She isn't running for president no matter hard people try to delude themselves into believing otherwise. To imply that she's toying with us belittles her.

Hilary Clinton is going to run for president. Therefore, of the two, I vote for Hillary. Throw in Brian Schweitzer, Martin O'Malley and Sherrod Brown who actually might run and my answer might be different. But between a candidate who will run and a candidate who won't I'd prefer the one who will.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 06:14 PM

99. hillary or elizabeth regarding what? nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 06:49 PM

110. ...


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Response to longship (Reply #110)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 07:22 PM

124. It's going to be a looooong three years...........





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Response to Beacool (Reply #124)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 07:58 PM

131. And Warren has already said multiple times that she will fulfill her commitment to MA in the Senate!

And Hillary has said multiple times that she has not decided.

But that will not stop the DUlusionists who post dozens of these threads each week.

Meanwhile, Nov 2014 looms.

I will predict that they will be a Warren/Hillary poll posted here about 11PM on election night 2014, before results are final. Funny thing is that many DUers will still bother to vote.

Oh boy!

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Response to longship (Reply #131)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 08:04 PM

133. 2014 won't be funny.

There are some Democratic senators who are in trouble. It won't matter much if we get a Democrat in the WH in 2016 if the Republicans control Congress. In the meantime, there are many threads on this type. They are not helpful. They only serve the purpose to irritate and divide.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 06:56 PM

114. No way will Hillary ever be Queen in the UK.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 07:31 PM

126. 2016 Obama - Biden

Michelle & Jill

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 07:39 PM

128. Not even close.

I won't vote for any Turd Way, Corporatist, DINO ever again, ESPECIALLY Hillary Clinton.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 07:48 PM

130. Warren (nt)

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 08:11 PM

135. i would like WArren but this poll means Hillary will probably easily win the nomination

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 09:19 PM

138. What about a


write in vote for Warren? Is that possible?

btw, love this poll...

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 12:06 AM

139. Some of you guys sound like drunken redneck gear heads arguing Chevy vs Mopar

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Dec 22, 2013, 09:14 AM

142. I always liked

Barbara Boxer..



Since its pretty sure Elizabeth refuses to run..

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Feb 12, 2014, 11:19 PM

143. Do you have any idea how little any tiny self-selected poll means? n/t

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