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http://www.alternet.org/teaparty/150569/what_shocking_new_polls_on_republican_attitudes_toward_slavery,_interracial_marriage_say_about_the_modern_gop/What Shocking New Polls on Republican Attitudes Toward Slavery, Interracial Marriage Say About the Modern GOP
In a recent survey, almost half of Mississippi Republican voters polled said interracial marriage should be illegal. Sad thing is, that's not even very surprising.
April 11, 2011 |
<snip>Yesterday, the 150th anniversary of the beginning of the Civil War, CNN released a poll that showed that 25 percent of the general public and some 40 percent of Southerners sympathize more with the rebellious Confederacy than with the Union. And in a particularly revealing inversion of the historical record--more than half of the Republicans surveyed believe that slavery was not the cause of the Civil War.
Not content to merely support an insurrection against the duly elected government of the United States, 80 percent of the Republicans surveyed by CNN also expressed admiration for the leaders of the South--a cabal whose allegiance to white supremacy was most tellingly summed up by the Vice President of the Confederacy's sentiment that its, "...foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man, that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based on this great physical, philosophical and moral truth.
Echoing the Tea Party GOP's neo-Confederate longings, last week an equally troubling bit of polling data was released which highlighted how the Right-wing yearns for a return to tradition and the good old days in the Age of Obama.
Public Policy Polling surveyed self-identified Republican voters in Mississippi. They were asked a series of questions regarding issue positions and their likelihood of voting for a given Republican presidential candidate in the 2012 race. Among their findings: apparently, race still matters to the good Tea Party GOP voters of Mississippi, with 46 percent of the respondents indicating that interracial marriage should be illegal. And in good news for Sarah Palin, those who supported her were significantly more likely to oppose marriage across the colorline.
think
(11,641 posts)Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)That is beyond fucked.
PB
LonePirate
(13,417 posts)The Rethug party is the cess pool of modern world politics.
TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)..the fact that Democrats aren't using these facts as wedge issues.
Seriously, guys, is it "unsportsmanlike conduct" to point out that half the Republicans in the south thing INTERRACIAL marriage should be illegal, nevermind same sex marriage.
How hard is it to
1. Highlight stance on interracial marriage...extend to same sex marriage.
2. Highlight GOP stance on flying the Confederate flag over southern state capitals...extend to stance on slavery's role in the civil war, and the overall GOP stance on "states rights." (ie-the true underlying reason for their obsession with states rights.) Then EXTEND southern Jim Crowe laws on voting tests to CURRENT GOP obsession with VOTER ID laws, which are really meant to accomplish the same goal.
3. I forgot the third one. Ooops....
Oh wait! Now I remember! Highlight their false stance on Obama being a Muslim...extend to religious intollerance and theocracy.
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)They don't bring these things up because they want those votes. They want the votes of the people who feel like puking when they see a black man and a white woman kissing.
I agree with your first and second points but they won't be part of a local or national platform any time soon because of the motivation I described above. For a long time, and still sometimes now, I used to believe that politicians were totally clueless. They're not. Obviously, if an individual is able to ascend to a notable public office either they or their staff have to be pretty goddamned sharp people. And so the other side of the coin is they do not do these things for some reason. And the reason is they want them votes. This "blind eye" is turned wherever we need to pick up seats. Look at some of the conservaDems from red states who we happily accept into the fold- so "our team" can get an edge...but who don't necessarily back us up when we need it.
On the third point, everyone was scratching at Obama with that lie to take him down:
My whole life I've been confronted with what are best described as nonsensical situations, where there is a clear and effective path...which is mysteriously not being taken. The older I get, when I see situations like that, the less I tend to think "Why is nobody running with this great idea?!?!" and the more I wonder about how the participants, themselves, helping to promote (if only in some technical sense) the abysmal situation itself.
PB
bigtree
(85,986 posts). . . sounds like the Alabama story today where the majority of republicans disbelieve evolution and question the President's religion.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)It came up today because tomorrow is our Primary.
Stuckinthebush
(10,844 posts)We live in one of the most backward, moronic states in the nation. Ugh.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)You will win the day. Florida is a blue-pink state. North Carolina seems to be headed in the same direction. Saner people are growing up or migrating to your state. Pile up the sandbags, stack the peanut butter and keep fighting, the calvary is fighting it's way in to join you and push back the crushing ignorance that you fight each day.
Stuckinthebush
(10,844 posts)We have fought, and fought and fought.
Sometimes it is best to know when the war is lost. Alabama, my friend, is a lost cause. We will continue to fight in the blue islands but the state as a whole is a lost cause.
Rod Mollise
(18 posts)Alabama is not a lost cause. Deciding it is just gives it to the Republicans gratis.
Stuckinthebush
(10,844 posts)I have been part of the Alabama Democratic Party inside and outside. I have seen the shift and how it was accomplished. We have blue pockets in the State but those are diminishing. The Alabama GOP has been masterful in restricting who votes and, as a result, even those blue pockets are getting smaller and smaller.
I have seen Democratic candidates become de facto Republicans to win. I have worked with campaigns in identifying likely voters in the counties and congressional districts. Over the years the Dem numbers are shrinking - especially as redistricting has shifted lines to dilute the Democratic vote.
Can I say that Alabama is forever Republican? No, of course not. But it will be a very long time before it becomes a swing state - much less a blue state.
I was talking to an old colleague the other day who is a grizzled veteran of Democratic campaigns as a strategist. She even said, "What's the point? Let's focus on local races and judicial races and not even think about state-wide or federal."
I voted this morning at 9 am. I was the first Democrat to vote and I am in one of those swing islands in the state.
Just tired...so tired.
qazplm
(3,626 posts)try to be a multiracial (black and white) guy dating in and around St. Louis. 90 percent of the profiles are of caucasian women (whom I have zero problem dating) and 90 percent of those say they date caucasian men only. Interestingly, most of the hispanic and all of the asian profiles say caucasian men only.
Attorney, military officer, no kids, and I might as well be nonexistent and primarily based on these profiles because of an aversion to interracial dating.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)I could care less what race a person is when I consider dating. Stability, personality, compatibility, etc are the things that matter. There are religions I would probably not date because they are incompatible with my own, but race?
I'm sorry that you have to deal with such ignorance.
shanti
(21,675 posts)not have this problem in california - guaranteed!
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I say let them and have them pay their own bills too.
gopiscrap
(23,756 posts)If KS, TX, AR, LA, KY, TN, MS, AL, GA, FL, and SC were out the Dems would win everytime and not only that, they would be a lot more progressive also...good riddance!!!!!
RZM
(8,556 posts)Why just Kansas? It's odd you want them out, but you want to keep Nebraska.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)cordelia
(2,174 posts)Don't you want them to seceed (sic), too?
trof
(54,256 posts)Kentucky, being a border state, was among the chief places where the "Brother against brother" scenario was prevalent. Kentucky was officially neutral at the beginning of the war, but after a failed attempt by Confederate General Leonidas Polk to take the state of Kentucky for the Confederacy, the legislature petitioned the Union for assistance, and thereafter became solidly under Union control.
While you're at it, get rid on Kansas and Ohio.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)1. No. We don't want to move. This is our HOME.
2. No. The entire state - any of these states - are not this backward. The poll was of GOP voters - no Dems and Independents.
3. If you want the South to change, stop yer bitchin' and get your ass down here to help educate voters. It's hard to change minds when all many of these people are exposed to is Fox and Rush - although the latter may not be around much longer.
CTyankee
(63,903 posts)I left a segregated life at age 18 to go north to college. I never returned to live there. I married right out of college. I knew it wasn't for me any more. My family was disapproving "all your people are southern people" I was told.
Too bad. I was gone. And I've never gone back to live there. It's that simple. Yes, I was considered some kind of a traitor but I didn't really care. I knew it wasn't a crime to move to a different part of the country.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)1. No. We don't want to move. This is our HOME.
I don't want to live up North. I like my beautiful East Tennessee with it's Smoky Mountains, mild winters and gazillion lakes.
I don't consider you a criminal for moving, but don't think of me as an idiot for staying.
CTyankee
(63,903 posts)stay where they are. In fact, as a liberal you are braver than I. It's easy for me to be a liberal in New Haven.
I confess that I know little about Tennessee, except that it's broad east-west configuration is fascinating to me. My step kids grew up in Nashville, in a Jewish community that is very liberal and some of the nicest people I have ever met.
You have a tougher fight than I have, but you have contentment in the beauty of your part of the state. I wish you all the luck in the world.
ingac70
(7,947 posts)I absolutely hate it down here.
fascisthunter
(29,381 posts)We have bigotry up here too, but not as much as in the south. Over time, this bigotry will dwindle, I believe. The good people who are not bigots will lead by example and over time all people will evolve to accept one another.
CTyankee
(63,903 posts)I think the "good people" are being fed a bunch of misinformation. They can't evolve if their information is false!
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)it is just a bit more hidden now.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)But instead they will just continue pandering to racists.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)i am quick to point out to whoever says it that the specific right was that of slaveowners to take their slaves into the western territories. they also like to point out that lincoln didn't invade the south to free slaves but to preserve the union. this is true, but again only half the story, the south started the war in an attempt to leave the union because they knew they were losing the political power in congress needed to maintain their "right" to take slaves into western territories.
but that "slavery didn't cause the war" nonsense is very common among white southern conservatives. wjite liberals, blacks and hispanics know better.
edited to say: i m surprised by the marriage views. i really am, i would not have expected that high a number even among such an iliberal group as the mississippi gop. wow
qazplm
(3,626 posts)the state's right to own slaves.
Mariana
(14,854 posts)Those documents make it perfectly clear that they seceded for the purpose of continuing slavery.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)Mississippi is a scary place in quite a lot of ways.
And it's also not surprising that 40% of Southerners sympathise more with the Confederacy than the Union; the South was militarily conquered, invaded, and occupied. That sort of thing leaves deep resentment that lasts for generations. I'm really surprised that people have such a hard time wrapping their heads around this; the South is a culturally distinct area, after all, and part of its history is defined by the Civil War and Reconstruction. Ask the Irish if they're over the Battle of the Boyne. Ask the Quebecois if they've gotten over the French defeat on the Plains of Abraham in 1763. Hell, ask the Welsh if they've gotten over Edward I's conquest of Wales in the 13th century (the answer is no, a lot of them haven't, really). The fact that the South was wrong doesn't change the fact that no, some number of Southerners really aren't over the Civil War and telling them to get over it won't do much good at all. That may be regrettable and unfortunate but it's nonetheless a fact.
NOLALady
(4,003 posts)You really can't tell them to get over the Civil War. They can't hear it.
Yet, they will scream loud and long about how blacks need to get over Jim Crow and his nasty Uncle Slavery.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)iemitsu
(3,888 posts)CTyankee
(63,903 posts)It was "change or die." They had the sense to change.
I guess the South didn't get that memo. Many of them DID get the sh*t kicked out of them. I don't know why more didn't just leave, seeking greener pastures. I did. Been happy ever since.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)Not really a comparison.
NoGOPZone
(2,971 posts)Maybe he should try this line with Mississippi Republicans
frogmarch
(12,153 posts)Mississippi may be more racist than other states, but there's a lot of racism here in Nebraska too, including within my husband's family. We have nothing to do with them. Our allegiance goes to our kids and their "rainbow" families - to our daughters-in-law and our biracial and multiracial grandchildren and adoptive African American grandson.
I'd post a video of "Here's to the State of Mississippi" but I'm pretty sure my post would be alerted on.
I despise racists of all skin colors.
Rozlee
(2,529 posts)My mom, a Mexican national, had my half siblings by a Cajun. I married a German national and one of my daughters married a Haitian. My husband's late wife was from Okinawa. My children, step-children and grandchildren are so beautiful that it takes my breath away. No bias here.
saras
(6,670 posts)Generic Other
(28,979 posts)Sorry, couldn't resist.
No real surprise here
NOLALady
(4,003 posts)Nina Simone - Mississippi Goddam
TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)I'm sure Mitt, Rick, Newt and Uncle Ron would LOVE to share their views on interracial marriage and the nature of the Civil War.
I thought Democrats were supposed to be having fun with their new toy this year. WEDGE ISSUES. Well, Democratic wedge issues don't have to be confined to women's rights, which modern Republicans clearly oppose.
There's also:
-Interracial marriage
-The cuases of the civil war
-Civil rights and the civil rights and voting acts of LBJ
-The right/appropriateness of Dixie state to fly the Confederate Flag above their capitol buildings
The Confederate flag issue is a big one, given that almost all of the Dixie governors, and many of the Dixie senators have come down in favor of this good ole' "States Rights" issue.
And it's not much of a pivot to go from States Rights and Jim Crowe laws to VOTER ID LAWS, which are basically the same thing.
DNC people, what the hell are you waiting for?
NICO9000
(970 posts)This is really fucked-up. It's 2012 fer crissakes! These people are so blinded by their hate, they don't care one bit how this looks to the modern world.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Racist ignorant haters! I just read a poll on huffington....
Obama's Religion Still A Campaign Issue: Many Alabama, Mississippi Voters Believe President Is Muslim
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/12/obama-religion-mississippi-alabama_n_1338990.html
These teabaggers are a damn menace to this country and God forbid what they would do if they ever get power again!
drm604
(16,230 posts)I'd hate to see the results off a poll on interracial marriage in the northern states also. It wouldn't be this bad, but it'd be bad enough.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Cal33
(7,018 posts)the South had seceded.
My guess: In time world opinion alone, among other things, would have convinced them to abolish slavery. They would have looked so backward as long as they allowed it to continue. There wasn't any other moral choice.
The important thing is that they would have stopped slavery on their own. It wouldn't have been forced down their throats. Their pride wouldn't have been hurt. They are still suffering
from hurt pride today, a century and a half later.
So there would have been two separate countries, or perhaps they might even have rejoined
the Union? The bitterness wouldn't have been there, and quite possibly racism in general would have been less than it is today.
Just musings of mine. What do you think?
JHB
(37,158 posts)A number of possibilities, and none of them good if you were black.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Black people did not have many rights - in the South AND in parts of the mid-Southwest - until the Civil Rights marches in the 1960s - fully 100 years after the Civil War.
JHB
(37,158 posts)...was that without the bitterness at the loss of the war, that might not have happened. My point was that it was not necessarily so, and IMO unlikely.
I don't believe the 1% of that time period would have given up free labor on their own. World opinion does not matter to the greedy, wealthy and powerful.
Runaway slaves and the constant threat of revolts may have convinced them to abolish slavery in time, but I doubt if they cared about world opinion. The 1% who are running the planet today don't give a crap about world opinion. The greedy 1% will not give up power. It probably will have to be forced down their throats.
Bitterness because of hurt pride? That's not how I see it. I see bitterness because of the loss of free labor on one hand. On the other hand, I see bitterness because they lost scapegoats to blame for their problems.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)when it came to their one main export-- cotton, which was produced primarily by slaves. If the world doesn't buy your one main export, your economy is going to suffer. The problem of slavery was one reason why the British, who had abolished slavery in the 1830s, ended up putting a lot of effort into growing cotton in India.
TheKentuckian
(25,023 posts)along with being placed under some black governors and their women being encouraged to mate with blacks would have been a start, along with no Jim Crow being permitted under pain of another round of crops and homes burnt and being put to the sword.
Stopping the slavery "on their own" to avoid their pride being hurt is a nothing, sell it to the slaves. As one of their decendents, I'm offended at the logic but I'm not ideologically inclined toward appeasement of devils or fuckwits either.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)After WWII the Germans and Japanese were forced, at times at gunpoint, to confront the consequences of their actions and their utter defeat. One will note that Germany and Japan have been responsible world citizens ever since. Lincoln's approach to the Confederacy was far, far too conciliatory, and even the Radical Reconstructionists didn't take things as far as they should have.
Wow, a nasty communist wants to punish White people. Big surprise. Why don't you slither back under the rock you live under.
Karl Marx never worked a day in his life, leaving his wife and children in abject poverty while he told the rest of us how things are supposed to be.
If communism is so great, how come the workers of the world never united? If communism is so great, how come you have to put walls around communist nations to keep people from escaping? While I don't advocate slavery, even the African slaves often wanted to stay with their owners even after being set free.
Lincoln (a Republican, by the way) wanted to send the free slaves to Africa. That would have made much more sense.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)It will be brief.
Alerted.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)TS'd after one post. A new DU record, I think.
Mariana
(14,854 posts)for them to do away with slavery. In 1861, there was no end in sight. The price of slaves was at an all-time high and still increasing. Slavery was extremely profitable and likely would have remained so for many years. And the whole culture was built around perpetuating it, with the churches, the schools, and the law all reinforcing the idea that slavery was right and good.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)The truth is, the South has always had its fair share of racist malcontents........However, it should also be pointed out that not all Southerners are racist, either; William Faulkner & Harper Lee would be a couple of great examples of Southern people who weren't really bigoted at all(quite the opposite in fact!).
So, again, no surprises here, since that part of the country has had more problems with racism than anywhere else. At the same time, let's not allow stereotypes to cloud our judgement, either.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)She's still with us.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)other interracial marriages. I am part of a family that has spouses who are Hispanic, Black and Native American. In my opinion the only problems with these marriages is the damned people who object to them.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Pres O - black/white, this alone is pissing off the racists, birth ceritifcate and Muslim are the toppings.
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DCBob
(24,689 posts)moronic ignorant clueless idiots... fk em.
just1voice
(1,362 posts)whom have some screwed up belief. The pukes likely believe in much more delusional things as part of being mentally disturbed people. Having an (R) next to a name should be reason enough for a medical intervention and a psychiatric exam -- I'm not kidding.
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)and not understand a word of it, is beyond me.
NICO9000
(970 posts)nolabear
(41,959 posts)I am NOT being an apologist for the South. I am from the South and return there regularly to visit. My family had, and has, some attitudes I find seriously racist. But I don't know anyone who thinks interracial marriage should be illegal. Heck, I knew many Air Force men who married Asian women, and many Anglo-Mexican families even when I was a kid. Marriages between black and white people was, and often is, really looked down on but it's been a very long time since I have heard anyone but the most hard core white supremacists say it should be illegal, and even they don't tend to think that way--they're more likely to shun or intimidate personally than want the government involved.
So this one floors me. And just a point I don't understand, the article seems to use GOP and Tea Party interchangeably. I'd like to know who they're talking to.
provis99
(13,062 posts)Todd has Eskimo ancestry. Reminds me of the idiot South Carolinans who are opposed to interracial marriage, yet support Gov. Nikki Haley, a Sikh in an interracial marriage with a white man.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)They're SUPPOSED to be our brightest, best thinkers, and they're there to protect us form ourselves and the potential tyranny of absolute majority rule.
except that we have elected a bunch of fuckheads.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)tell them this is 2012
Gore1FL
(21,127 posts)Imagine how bad the numbers would be this year.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)There is hope afterall.
Initech
(100,063 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)gulliver
(13,180 posts)Mississippi has a lot of bright, good-natured people. I've met some. The "thin crisp biscuits" just serve to scare the good people and better paying jobs to other states.
provis99
(13,062 posts)it's common in the South, particularly in Arkansas.
Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)That explains the whole attack on women thing.
They've only progressed as far as the late 60's. And It looks as if they're digging their heels in.
Where are my old Perry Como records, anyways?
julian09
(1,435 posts)limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)I don't feel welcome there really. I wonder how this compares to the feelings of gop voters in New York or Minnesota? Guessing it would be quite different.
tabbycat31
(6,336 posts)There's a town near me that is GOP controlled (Dems regularly lose 3-1 despite putting up a fight) which has an active KKK chapter.
spanone
(135,823 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Raine
(30,540 posts)and stay there, they make me.
Blue_Roses
(12,894 posts)of Republicans...hell, I would've thought that figure would be close to 100%.This is the southern GOP--who are stuck in a time warp.
Fortunately, the progressives and Dems feel differently.
Bosso 63
(992 posts)You'd think that these ideas would die out for the simple fact it takes a certain level of intellectual capacity to just spawn the next generation, (tab A goes into slot B), but apparently they can.
I blame evolution.
agentS
(1,325 posts)Recently the rest of the state did vote down the Personhood amendment that would have banned condoms and other stuff, so the whole state isn't helpless and braindead. Just the Repubs...
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)A lot of dramatic-looking survey results turn out to be meaningless when you test for validity.
potone
(1,701 posts)If you are white and don't have anything else--no money, education, power or prospects for a better life for yourself or your family you can always take refuge psychologically in the thought that at least you are superior to black people. That is how the corrupt white elite have manipulated poor white people into supporting them against their own best interests. The majority of white people in the South have far more in common in terms of economic self-interest with black people than with the ruling class. This is something that Bill Clinton understood. I wish other Democratic politicians would argue that case openly and passionately. It is long past time for the South to join the movement for greater equality for everyone (which is not to say that the North has done such a great job of it; hence the Occupy movement).