HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » "Most of the time we...

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:22 PM

"Most of the time we're playing between the forty yard lines here."

Last edited Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:02 PM - Edit history (1)

Pres. Obama said this during the interview with Chris Matthews - explaining his view that the two parties agree on about 70% of things. (Being replayed on msnbc now.)

THIS is the problem imo. If you look at classic Democratic principles and values, the two parties agree on almost nothing - but Dem leaders believe that "we're playing between the forty yard lines here."

Maybe that's because both teams are owned by the same people - and it's not us.

41 replies, 3039 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 41 replies Author Time Post
Reply "Most of the time we're playing between the forty yard lines here." (Original post)
polichick Dec 2013 OP
Laelth Dec 2013 #1
CTyankee Dec 2013 #2
Laelth Dec 2013 #8
CTyankee Dec 2013 #9
polichick Dec 2013 #10
CTyankee Dec 2013 #11
polichick Dec 2013 #12
CTyankee Dec 2013 #15
AlinPA Dec 2013 #22
polichick Dec 2013 #5
Autumn Dec 2013 #3
polichick Dec 2013 #6
LittleBlue Dec 2013 #4
polichick Dec 2013 #7
AlinPA Dec 2013 #20
seveneyes Dec 2013 #13
polichick Dec 2013 #14
Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #16
jazzimov Dec 2013 #18
AlinPA Dec 2013 #19
AlinPA Dec 2013 #17
Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #21
polichick Dec 2013 #23
Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #24
polichick Dec 2013 #25
Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #27
pintobean Dec 2013 #28
Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #30
pintobean Dec 2013 #31
Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #35
pintobean Dec 2013 #37
Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #38
Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #36
AlinPA Dec 2013 #26
polichick Dec 2013 #41
OutNow Dec 2013 #29
polichick Dec 2013 #34
Captain Stern Dec 2013 #32
polichick Dec 2013 #33
KG Dec 2013 #39
polichick Dec 2013 #40

Response to polichick (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:46 PM

1. I agree.

That's a serious problem.

In fact, I am downright horrified by the notion that Democrats agree with Republicans on 70% of the issues that face this nation. That's really unacceptable.

-Laelth

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Laelth (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:49 PM

2. I think he might mean that republican rank and file voters agree on such things as Medicare and SS.

That's pretty clear.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to CTyankee (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:03 PM

8. Well, that's true.

If we're talking about the American people, there's broad consensus on a host of issues, and the American people come down on the liberal side on most issues time after time--as they have for as long as I have been following politics.

Does that mean we get liberal policy from elected Democrats or elected Republicans? No. That's because Washington is a conservative bubble, and I can't help but think that the President was talking about the people that live in the bubble ... with him.



-Laelth

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Laelth (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:06 PM

9. THAT is what is so crazy...most people want exactly what Dems want and do for people...it's the

craziness in Washington and with the real mouth foamers that screw it all up...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to CTyankee (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:17 PM

10. Even in the case of the rank and file, there's a ton of issues...

that we disagree on and very few that we agree on - we can't even agree on science.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to polichick (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:19 PM

11. I know and Obama knows but he's making a point...and the more we stress the positive the better

WE look and the worse THEY look...and they now it and hate it...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to CTyankee (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:21 PM

12. I added that we can't even agree on science - which is basic to sound policy.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to polichick (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:50 PM

15. I know, it's crazy...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to CTyankee (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 07:03 PM

22. Maybe so, but certainly not the GOP Senators and House members.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Laelth (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:49 PM

5. Definitely provides a window into how he's thinking!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to polichick (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:49 PM

3. That explains the mess we the people are in

"the two parties agree on about 70% of things." disgraceful.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Autumn (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:58 PM

6. Certainly helps me understand where he's coming from...

but it has nothing to do with stated Democratic principles because Republicans are several football fields away from those.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to polichick (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:49 PM

4. Absolute joke

That we would agree with 70% of anything the Rethugs are pushing.

Obama's statement is what's wrong with politics. People want clear choices, not two teams who play a game "between the 40s" with voters' lives and livelihoods.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LittleBlue (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:00 PM

7. Agreed - the people want a clear choice...

But I guess this works for those who own both teams.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LittleBlue (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 07:00 PM

20. Agree.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to polichick (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:42 PM

13. Most people want the same things

 

A good job, family security, a place to call home and low crime. Most people will vote for the person that they feel will give them what they want and need.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to seveneyes (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:45 PM

14. They were talking about the two parties - the president said that, unlike...

other places, we don't have parties that are extremely right or left.

But, even if we are talking about the people, the two sides don't agree on basic science that will determine how we survive on the planet.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to polichick (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:53 PM

16. you mean the leader of the free world isn't an extremist? GREAT!

 

the vast majority of humans agree on the vast majority of issues affecting their daily lives.

The wedge issues do make up approximately 30% or less of what creates most of the arguments in D.C.

Most Americans (including most Democrats) don't think in the purist utopian way that some here do.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:58 PM

18. +1000

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:59 PM

19. If the President proposes something, there is a probablity of 1.0 that the GOP would disagee.

He was talking about Washington, not main street.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to polichick (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:56 PM

17. I can't believe he said that Republicans agree on 70% of things with Democrats. I can think of

absolutely nothing that Republicans would agree with if proposed by President Obama.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to AlinPA (Reply #17)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 07:02 PM

21. in principle, they do agree. politically, they have laced themselves to the millstone of

 

"Oppose Barack on everything".

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #21)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 07:04 PM

23. The only principle they share is serving corporations.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to polichick (Reply #23)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 07:05 PM

24. Why don't you print a bumper sticker?

 

Sounds about the level of dialogue you're interested in.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 07:06 PM

25. Sorry you don't like the truth, but it is what it is.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to polichick (Reply #25)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 07:07 PM

27. ooohh!! and an empty aphorism "it is what it is" as bonus!

 

you are knocking them out of the park!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #27)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 08:49 PM

28. Cool avatar.

Is that you that is quoted?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to pintobean (Reply #28)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 10:17 PM

30. Uh...no. I started bothering the cc jerks recently

 

The Frank Solich dude is the site owner.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #30)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 10:26 PM

31. Looks like you're bothering polichick, too.

And, Luminous Animal here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024137600#post91

Are you getting confused about which site you're on?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to pintobean (Reply #31)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 11:50 PM

35. You call that bothering polichick?

 

I call it defending our DEMOCRATIC president from baseless attacks from naive people.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #35)

Sat Dec 7, 2013, 05:20 AM

37. I can't say what I'd call it

but trumad comes to mind.

Taking cheap shots at DUers isn't defending anyone or anything, it just shows that you have something in common with your new friends.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to pintobean (Reply #31)

Sat Dec 7, 2013, 11:44 AM

38. 3-3 that was allowed to stand

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to polichick (Reply #23)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 11:56 PM

36. Thus the 70% agreement rate... n/t

 


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #21)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 07:07 PM

26. They (GOP Senators, House members) agree on SS, Medicare, Environment, Science, Food Stamps,

Equal Rights for women, gays and non-white non-Christians? No way.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to AlinPA (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 7, 2013, 03:08 PM

41. Exactly!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to polichick (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 09:49 PM

29. I agree with the President

I believe the President was making a comment about the political spectrum. If you look at issues and all the possibilities, both parties are indeed playing between the forty yard lines.

As obvious examples, both parties believe in the profit system that is the basis for the capitalist economy. The President has always stated that private enterprise is the employer of choice rather than advocate for major public works projects run by the government. The two parties only disagree with how much to tax corporate profits at both the corporate and individual rich owner level. The battle over whether to let the Bush tax cut expire a couple of years ago was positioned as a major defeat or major victory, depending on which party you support, but the reality was that it a very modest change either way in the real economy (i.e. between the forty yard lines). The current positions of both parties over raising the minimum wage is the same. Democrats support raising the minimum wage by a couple of bucks and the republicans oppose it. But the solution, even if the Democrats win, is that minimum wage workers will still earn much less than a minimum wage worker of 50 years ago. The minimum wage, if it was increased to just keep up with the increase in costs since the 1960s, would be about $23 an hour. A living wage would be higher, maybe $30 an hour. So, once again, instead of solving the real problem the two parties are playing between the forty yard lines and making it appear to be a VERY MAJOR difference.

I'm not advocating that the Red Army should overthrow the czar here. I'm just looking at our own past. There was a time when actually change was in play. A time when unions actually discussed how to gain (at least) partial ownership of the companies where they work and have a real say in wages, keeping factories open, hiring enough workers to avoid too mush overtimem etc. Germany and the Nordic countries have that. That would move past the forty yard line for sure. There was a time when people demanded a national health service like the NHS in England. The ACA is very much a between the forty yard line policy, no matter what the Republicans say. There was a time, not too long ago, when the Democratic Party platform called for a repeal of the Taft Hartley Act that prohibits any real union organizing and called for a national economic plan, i.e. a planned economy, to avoid the bust / bust cycle we continue to experience with regular frequency. Hubert Humphry was a big proponent of the national economic plan. Today both parties are visible supporters of the anarchy of the "free enterprise" system. There was a time when the anti-trust laws, the ones that are still in effect, were actually enforced to prohibit monopolies. Now we have companies that are "too big to fail" and both parties continue to support the policies that maintain the status quo. How many banksters that caused the economy to collapse in 2007/2008 are in jail today? None. That's because both parties support the status quo, somewhere between the forty yard lines.

I could provide dozens of examples, but it's clear that the President is correct - today's politics are all played between the forty yard lines.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to OutNow (Reply #29)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 11:43 PM

34. One party, two faces - and a country filled with fools.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to polichick (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 10:40 PM

32. "Maybe that's because both teams are owned by the same people - and it's not us."

That reminded me of George Carlin. What he said is as true today as it was then.

"It's a big club, and you aint in it"

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Captain Stern (Reply #32)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 11:32 PM

33. Thanks for posting that clip - so brilliant and true, sad as it is.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to polichick (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2013, 11:51 AM

39. thanks for explaining to us why things still suck, mr prez

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KG (Reply #39)

Sat Dec 7, 2013, 03:08 PM

40. Really does explain a lot, doesn't it? Helpful in a weird way.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread