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Thu Dec 5, 2013, 08:30 PM

Help Me Debunk This CRAP!

I know this is a bunch of crap, but I don't have time to debunk it, and you guys are so smart you can do it quickly for me! Thanks!

Obama Accused of Military 'Purge'

The United States military is being "purged" of officers suspected of disloyalty to or disagreement with the Obama administration, several sources charge.

"We recognize President Obama is the commander-in-chief and that throughout history presidents from Lincoln to Truman have seen fit to remove military commanders they view as inadequate or insubordinate," Investor's Business Daily (IBD) observed.

"Yet what has happened to our officer corps since President Obama took office is viewed in many quarters as unprecedented, baffling, and even harmful to our national security posture."

Retired U.S. Army Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely believes Obama is "intentionally weakening and gutting our military and reducing us as a superpower, and anyone in the ranks who disagrees or speaks out is being purged."

According to Breitbart.com, at least 197 officers, mostly at the rank of colonel or above, have been relieved of duty for a variety of reasons, or for no stated reason at all.

Nine senior commanding generals have been fired by the administration this year, "leading to speculation by active and retired members of the military that a purge of its commanders is underway," IBD reported.

Among those officers:

Gen. Carter Ham was relieved as head of U.S. Africa Command because he disagreed with orders not to mount a rescue effort in response to the Sept. 11, 2012, attack on U.S. diplomatic personnel in Benghazi, Libya.

Rear Adm. Charles Gaouette, commander of Carrier Strike Group Three, was relieved of duty in October 2012 for disobeying orders when he sent his group to assist and provide intelligence for forces ordered into action by Gen. Ham, according to IBD.

Two nuclear commanders were fired in a single week — Maj. Gen. Michael Carey, head of the Air Force unit that maintains control of 450 intercontinental missiles, and Vice Adm. Tim Giardina, the No. 2 officer at U.S. Strategic Command. Carey was sacked "due to a loss of trust and confidence in his leadership and judgment," while Giardina lost his post for allegedly using counterfeit gambling chips at a casino.

Maj. Gen. Ralph Baker, commander of the Joint Task Force-Horn of Africa, was fired for alcohol use and sexual misconduct charges. Defense officials told CNN the reason was “loss of confidence.”

Marine Corps Maj. Gen. Charles Gurganus was terminated for questioning the "winning hearts and minds" policies that led to the murders of U.S. officers by Afghan recruits, according to FrontPage magazine.

Maj. Gen. Peter Fuller was relieved of his command in Afghanistan after he told a media source that Afghan President Hamid Karzai and other government officials were "isolated from reality."

On the last day of November 2011, the administration terminated 157 Air Force majors, citing budget shortfalls as the primary reason — a move that some legal experts said was illegal.

According to IBD, a senior retired general said on the condition of anonymity that "they're using the opportunity of the shrinkage of the military to get rid of people that don't agree with them or do not toe the party line."

FrontPage concluded: "Obama has made clear that he will aggressively pursue anyone who defies his agenda. Now it seems that chilling message has been sent to the military as well."

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Amy6627 Dec 2013 OP
Kingofalldems Dec 2013 #1
Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #2
el_bryanto Dec 2013 #3
Amy6627 Dec 2013 #8
abelenkpe Dec 2013 #11
el_bryanto Dec 2013 #18
muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #4
BelgianMadCow Dec 2013 #9
abelenkpe Dec 2013 #10
muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #12
abelenkpe Dec 2013 #17
SkatmanRoth Dec 2013 #5
dballance Dec 2013 #6
arcane1 Dec 2013 #7
K lib Dec 2013 #13
rucky Dec 2013 #14
K lib Dec 2013 #20
sarge43 Dec 2013 #15
JHB Dec 2013 #16
K lib Dec 2013 #19
XRubicon Dec 2013 #21
Politicalboi Dec 2013 #22
SidDithers Dec 2013 #23

Response to Amy6627 (Original post)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 08:32 PM

1. I saw Breitbart somewhere in your post

Now I know it's a load of crap. Not buying what you are selling.

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Response to Amy6627 (Original post)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 08:34 PM

2. File it with the "Obama's Closing Down the Vatican Embassy" CRAP!

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Response to Amy6627 (Original post)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 08:35 PM

3. Gosh - Frontpage too - that's a pretty interesting selection of sources

What sort of information would you like us to provide to debunk this paranoid delusion?

Bryant

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 08:44 PM

8. Well is there any truth to it but with a reasonable

answer? Or is it all just made up CRAP like the Vatican story?

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Response to Amy6627 (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 08:50 PM

11. It's from Brietbart

It's all made up delusional BS.

It's the national enquirer for Right Wing Racists.

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Response to Amy6627 (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 09:20 PM

18. Well how would you go about debunking this paranoid delusion - if there was no DU

What sort of steps might you use to check it?

Bryant

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Response to Amy6627 (Original post)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 08:38 PM

4. Newsmax published that on 3rd Nov - you've waited over a month, and now you don't have time?

If it has waited a month, it can wait a little longer, while you debunk it yourself. Let us know how it went.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 08:45 PM

9. this

I didn't see the need for a hide.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 08:48 PM

10. The OP probably had this nonsense forwarded them by a relative

or friend and is asking for help in debunking it. Why are you attacking them? Everyone has a crazy righty relative or friend and it is holiday season so they're gonna tend to show up with exactly this kind of nuttiness.

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Response to abelenkpe (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 08:57 PM

12. Again, it has waited a month

There is no urgency to debunk it. If your guess of a relative (not something they claim, anyway) is right, then if it took a month to get to them, they can take the time to do it themselves. Look - they've replied in this thread already. They're not that busy.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 09:15 PM

17. Perhaps

I dunno. I have a lot of crazy freeper relatives who live on the other side of the country who only seem to float into my life around the holidays and invariably one will forward some crazy nonsense like this (which can be old) while i'm at work and have lots of running around with kids stuff to look forward to when home, so I can relate to wanting to ask for help. And DU is full of smart people who often help out with that stuff. I can't help though. Know nothing about the military. Maybe someone else will have a better response? The mention of Brietbart would have stopped the conversation for me. Might as well be saying UFOs have been sighted piloted by Elvis.

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Response to Amy6627 (Original post)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 08:39 PM

5. Turn these allegations around

Point out that if a Republican was President and fired a Nuke commander for losing control of his weapons, fired a General for being a drunkard, and fired another General for getting his own officers killed, he would be celebrated.

The concept is simple; Republicans make the military strong, Liberals make the military weak. So goes the intellectual thought process of stupid Tea Baggers.

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Response to Amy6627 (Original post)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 08:40 PM

6. So What If He IS Purging?

 

Perhaps he learned a lesson from JFK's troubles with his Joint Chiefs and military advisors. Perhaps he is purging people who may not agree with his diplomacy over bombs philosophy.

I don't find that to be a problem personally.

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Response to Amy6627 (Original post)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 08:42 PM

7. From the examples you listed, they deserved to be fired.

 

And Brietbart is not a legitimate news service. They'll take anything and twist it into a "scandal".

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 09:02 PM

13. Brietbart sucks!!

the right wing nut jobs will take it as gospel and post it as fact. When you try to point out the lies in the article with other sources, they would even bother reading what you posted a lot of times. Other times they will try to change the subject, call you a name or all of the above. Besides lying a lot, Brietbart articles and other right wings blogs are terrible written and do not require very much reading comprehension which i guess makes since because they are trying to cater to a certain nitwit audience.

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Response to Amy6627 (Original post)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 09:05 PM

14. The IBD source is an editorial with no byline...

that references Breitbart's Facebook page.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/101513-675217-obama-fires-two-nuclear-military-commanders.htm?ntt=obama%20military%20purge

Every other source in the echo chamber reference the IBD article and Breitbart as the sources. None provide links. I had to hunt for those.

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Response to rucky (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 09:31 PM

20. jerry dantana is working for Breitbart nt

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Response to Amy6627 (Original post)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 09:06 PM

15. Some actual links please

Let's see: sexual misconduct, disobeying orders, publicly disagreeing with superiors, gambling and cheating civilians while on PRP? Yeah, that'll get you the big spit shined boot in the butt, no matter who's CinC.

As for the 157 majors, that's probably one percent of the AD AF O-4s. If there's a RIFF in progress, SOP. Surprised there weren't more.

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Response to Amy6627 (Original post)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 09:13 PM

16. That post is from Newsmax, and cites FrontPage and Breitbart comments

It's a "trifecta" of conservative axe-grinding sites. That fact does not by itself refute the claims, but it does force one to note:
It's all second-hand reporting, with third-hand commentary from radical sources. (Frontpage is the playpen of David Horowitz (the page banner reads "Inside every liberal is a totalitarian screaming to get out", and Breitbart's major claims to 'journalistic' fame are fraudulently-edited videos, so I think the description is apt.)

Just how many layers of spin are the slivers of truth in there buried under?

This sounds just like "The Clinton Body Count" lists, which took the mundane deaths of a number of people with some if-you-squint-real-hard connection to the Clintons and wove them into a tale of an Arkansas Murder Inc. with Don Bubba as its capo.

Then again, readers of Newsmax, FrontPagve, and Breitbart are the sorts of people who slurped up that tale too.

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Response to Amy6627 (Original post)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 09:25 PM

19. here is a couple flaws in the argument

First it does not state how many officers have been relieved of duty with other adminstrations to see how it compares

Second red flag "According to Breitbart.com, at least 197 officers"
- it does not provide were they got this information besides saying according to them

Third the reasons why they were "fired" is vague and use hearsay accounts

"On the last day of November 2011, the administration terminated 157 Air Force majors, citing budget shortfalls as the primary reason — a move that some legal experts said was illegal. "

watch out when right wingers use the word "some" like some people say, some experts say, etc trying to make it seem like it is fact when it is really just the opinion of some knuckleheads

Most of these accounts are one-sided and do not try get the other side of the story

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Response to Amy6627 (Original post)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 09:33 PM

21. Help me debunk this <CRAP!, ACA cost, Obama rumor, etc.>

I am <a leftist, socialist, liberal> but my <cousin, neighbor, friend> sent me this and I need help debunking it.

I <don't have time, don't know, never heard of this, can't pay my new deductible of $ x,xxx.xx>

<paste e-mail forward here>



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Response to Amy6627 (Original post)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 09:46 PM

22. Tell them that Obama is going to

 

Hold a hearing for Bush/Cheney for war crimes.

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Response to Amy6627 (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 10:24 AM

23. "According to Breitbart.com"...

That's all the debunking you need. Just point, laugh, and walk away.

Sid

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