The DU jury system works

[MannyGoldstein]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024044488#post34

Thank goodness!

[daleanime]

1. Glad someones found work.....

[Scuba]

2. The Clinton trolls are keeping busy.

[KittyWampus]

14. But the agitating trolls are just fine. I'd say "ratfucking" instead of agitating...

but then MY post would get hidden.

[MannyGoldstein]

19. Not necessarily. You've had good luck with that in the past, e.g.,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2453634

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3051844

[KittyWampus]

53. and some not so good luck. I'd provide a link but can't be bothered.

Happy to bump this thread, it's a great example of how some people can get away with BLATANTLY breaking the rules and get away with it.

I am happy to provide links to illustrate that.:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023971663
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023612572

[In_The_Wind]

33. This is what I do to stay out of trouble over the winter.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018517173

[SidDithers]

36. Nailed it...

Sid

[sufrommich]

42. Why would someone who supports Hillary Clinton on

a democratic board be considered a troll ? I swear DU is becoming one of the least relevant boards as far as democratic politics are concerned,it's beyond silly at this point.

[Beacool]

64. I thought the same thing.

As for alerting, I have never alerted once in my years here, nor have I placed anyone on ignore. Unlike the crybabies who can't take it and always run to the moderators.

[TheKentuckian]

3. Stupid ass alert

[B Calm]

4. We see a lot of them anymore. It's like the goal of some here

to see how many post they can get hidden.

[hobbit709]

5. And they're proud of it too.

[Igel]

26. The gloating is what bothers me.

Used to be that you'd alert and if the post was hidden, so be it. If not, so be it.

Now people feel like they have to do a post-mortem on the play, pointing out how important they are and how they beat up the other person. "Look at me! I'm bad! I'm bad!" All that's missing is the victory dance.

It makes DU less of a civil community that gets out of hand from time to time and more of a rugby match where none of the refs showed up--or where the refs take to the field as a third team. It was worse over the summer, when DU was a distinctly unfriendly place for newbies and for old timers, with all the screaming and bullying going on between narrow-minded individuals on pathetic power trips and with cliques that were formed to throw their weight around and be the Deciders.

I want that, I can drop in at the local high school during change of classes.

[B Calm]

55. Knowing full well the poster can't reply because they

had a post hidden, they'll pile on and you can't do a damn thing.

[LuvNewcastle]

6. Pathetic people n/t

[ProSense]

7. There likely is no mass conspiracy, and

the person who alerted announced it: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024044488#post20

[TheKentuckian]

73. Yup. Games, games, and more games.

[ProSense]

8. Great OP

[bahrbearian]

9. Your lucky the Bog goes to bed early

[MannyGoldstein]

10. I feel like I have a new lease on life

After this, everything seems possible.

[KittyWampus]

13. Yeah, blame it on the bogie man.

[Bobbie Jo]

56. .

You're.

I would have left it alone if your post hadn't been such a passive aggressive jab.

[Logical]

11. The jury system is a joke. nt

[ananda]

16. True dat.

The jury system can be infiltrated by trolls seeking
to shut down liberals.

And from what I see here, they have succeeded to
way too large an extent.

[Logical]

18. The admin method was much better. n-t

[L0oniX]

32. The mod system was light years better. We have a church lady, clown doctor system now.

[pipi_k]

45. Actually...

I believe Skinner has stated time and again that the jury system is not being infiltrated by trolls.

That it usually consists of decent DUers who do their best to be fair and reasonable.

And that the majority of juries are made up of people who are acting in good faith.

Honestly, I don't understand why people might think the admins would be lying about something like that.




PS...and I find it offensive that someone might consider me a "troll" when I always do my very best to be fair and reasonable in my jury decisions just because they didn't like the way I voted.

[treestar]

58. I agree.

It will eventually allow non-Democrats to take over.

[KittyWampus]

12. Ah, you start an idiotic tasteless thread and then have to advertise it...

at least you are becoming even more transparent.

[MannyGoldstein]

15. Wrong again.

I'm inscrutable.

[KittyWampus]

24. No, it's obvious at this point that you are only here to be divisive.

[Number23]

67. Couldn't be more obvious.

[L0oniX]

30. So you respond to idiotic tasteless threads? Wow ...looks more like you are stalking Manny.

[KittyWampus]

49. LOL. I pretty much ignore the divisiveness and antagonistic crap he posts. So is that "stalking"?

No, this thread is illustrative of something.

It's hilarious so many can't see it.

[woo me with science]

54. Perhaps a map would help.

[Oilwellian]

17. They alerted this thread as well

Will post results soon.

[L0oniX]

50. New DU t-shirt "I alerted on that"

[PasadenaTrudy]

20. You'll need one of these t-shirts

https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/warren_shirt_2?refcode=bp

[Oilwellian]

21. Here it is!

At Sun Nov 17, 2013, 06:55 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

The DU jury system works
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024045850

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

This thread violates 2 rules on DU. 1. no whinning about DU and 2. Do not call out other members of DU. For the admins: why is someone allowed to be disruptive to DUers and Democrats on an every day basis? When will enough is enough time come?

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Nov 17, 2013, 07:11 AM, and the Jury voted 0-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: a - technically, it's not whining -- the OP agreed with the jury result they linked to; b - jury results are anonymous so how is it calling out other members of du? this is certainly not the first time I've seen jury results posted on du, nor is it the first time I've seen an OP linking to another post on DU

This post isn't violating any current rules nor is it inflammatory, unless you believe that saying "The DU jury system works" is in itself disruptive. So, let it stand.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Enough is enough time should come for the alerter who seems to be abusing the alert system to try to get a long time member banned.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Good effing grief. The alerter delayed my trip to Lolcats Sunday for this? Can we alert on the alerter?
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Now they're coming after you, Manny.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[hobbit709]

22. you just know someone is having a cow over this.

[In_The_Wind]

34. Probably ... cause they can't alert again for 24 hours.

[idwiyo]

37. someone haz have sad over this, fer sure!

[L0oniX]

51. Someone change this to "Manny" and repost it please....

[arely staircase]

61. what is that from? nt

[L0oniX]

62. Night of the Living Dead

[arely staircase]

63. that is what I thought but I wasn't sure. great movie I haven't seen in years. thanks nt

[Oilwellian]

69. Hahaha

That was my comment in the jury decision.

[Oilwellian]

23. I was a star member for years

and will be again when the jury system is dismantled. The only reason I participate in it is to help level the playing field. I predicted this exact problem when it was created.

[KittyWampus]

25. What problem? A Meta-thread gets alerted and stays in GD because those on the jury decide they like

Manny…. while someone else's Meta-thread in GD gets locked because they don't like a poster?

Yeah, it's a problem.

[Oilwellian]

28. It's quite obvious

a clique is trying to get long time DU'ers banned. Just open your eyes.

[KittyWampus]

39. So you have no problem with an OBVIOUS Meta-thread because you like Manny-

so you are actually part of the problem.

[Oilwellian]

47. I have a problem with the entire jury system

Like you said above, it's a problem.

On edit: Thinking long time DU'ers are a problem, is a problem.

[randome]

71. So what is your solution to the jury 'problem'?

And define 'long-term' while you're at it.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.[/center][/font][hr]

[hootinholler]

66. Only the ones who are 'ratfucking' Hillary n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

75. I won't until the bully system is confronted head on

And I know it won't. Anyway I cannot afford that star, and prefer to give money to worthy causes. The jury system is part of the bully system. It is abused constantly by a certain group of people. This is by design.

[FatBuddy]

27. BUT I'M POWERFUL ON THE INTERNETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111

[LittleBlue]

29. The Alert system needs to be reined in

A limit of one per day, and if the jury votes to leave it, prohibit the alerter from alerting for a week. Revoke the hopeful alerts that are really just attempts at settling scores or silencing legitimate political opinion. And with no repercussions, why should they stop abusing Alert?

There's nothing wrong with the jury system at DU, it's the alert system that needs examining.

[tammywammy]

38. The admins have said repeatedly that alert stalking is just not an issue.

They're the ones that can see the metrics.

[LittleBlue]

43. You don't need to be an alert stalker to make bad alerts

Make people have a care about what they're alerting on. Right now I can just spam alert and as long as I get one juror to agree, I can carry on rolling the dice like a DA with no oversight.

It would cause people to only alert when they think that the rules have been truly broken.

[tammywammy]

44. Admins have PPRed posters for abusing the alert system.

I think all of the concern over abuse of the alert system is much ado over nothing.

[hrmjustin]

70. I am on MIRT and we use the alert system alot.

I am against limiting alerts.

[G_j]

31. more results

At Sun Nov 17, 2013, 06:55 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

The DU jury system works
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024045850

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

This thread violates 2 rules on DU. 1. no whinning about DU and 2. Do not call out other members of DU. For the admins: why is someone allowed to be disruptive to DUers and Democrats on an every day basis? When will enough is enough time come?

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Nov 17, 2013, 07:11 AM, and the Jury voted 0-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: a - technically, it's not whining -- the OP agreed with the jury result they linked to; b - jury results are anonymous so how is it calling out other members of du? this is certainly not the first time I've seen jury results posted on du, nor is it the first time I've seen an OP linking to another post on DU

This post isn't violating any current rules nor is it inflammatory, unless you believe that saying "The DU jury system works" is in itself disruptive. So, let it stand.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Enough is enough time should come for the alerter who seems to be abusing the alert system to try to get a long time member banned.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Good effing grief. The alerter delayed my trip to Lolcats Sunday for this? Can we alert on the alerter?
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Now they're coming after you, Manny.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[leftstreet]

46. Frivolous alerts will cost the jury system its credibility

Good grief

Time after time I log on to see eyerolling and lol-ing over stupid alerts that should never have been brought to a jury

When will enough is enough time come?

Indeed

[Fumesucker]

35. How do you get semen stains out of a clown suit? n/t

[NuclearDem]

41. Okie dokie

[Oilwellian]

48. LOL n/t

[jsr]

40. Manny, Embrace The Inevitability. Repeat: Embrace The Inevitability.

Resistance Is Futile.

[LiberalAndProud]

52. A term used to characterize something that is characteristically self-referential.

What is meta.

[treestar]

57. this is meta

I thought that wasn't allowed.

[warrprayer]

59. you're going to hell, Manny!

Share a glass of ice water when I see you there!

[arely staircase]

60. but apparently the rules for posting in GD don't

I guess we have decided to let this be meta 2.0. fwiw I agree with the jury in that one. Your Hillary hate is anoying but not hideable until she is the nominee.

[Ms. Toad]

68. Actually -

Juries don't decide whether something is Meta or not - hosts do. That is a different radio button in the alert box.

[randome]

65. What you really mean is the jury system isn't tied to what MannyGoldstein wants.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.[/center][/font][hr]

[hrmjustin]

72. I did not like your post but I would not have hidden it.

[Johnny Ready]

74. The jury system is fair, probably one of the best features

of the DU. I posted a thread that was hidden by a jury 4-2. It was my 99th post and I was banned for a week or so. I was offered the chance to email Skinner with potential reasons to reinstate my account. So I did, and much to my surprise I was given a second chance. Thank you Skinner.

I guess I really appreciate the second chance having been banned from another website just weeks before. Lines...lines everywhere so hard to stay between the lines.

Thank you DU!