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WillyT

(72,631 posts)
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:39 PM Nov 2013

Wow... Apparently Another DUer And I Have Our "Hearts In The Right Place"...

But Can't See The "Long View"...

Thanks for having the first part correct.

But I have a couple of questions regarding the "long view":

1) How long... is the long view?

Do I get to live long enough to see the benefits of the long view? (I turn 58 on Saturday) Does my immediate family, and their children, the children I taught back in the 80's, their children... their childrens children ???

2) How much suffering is incurred during the "long view"?

How many starve, get sick and die, get ripped off, lose their jobs, their homes, their marriages, their kids, their very own lives... DURING the long view?



Thanks in advance.

(And no, I won't provide the link... wouldn't want to get in trouble.)


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Wow... Apparently Another DUer And I Have Our "Hearts In The Right Place"... (Original Post) WillyT Nov 2013 OP
Answers .... 1) The long view is longer than the next, single, tactical action. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #1
Good And Thoughtful Reply.... WillyT Nov 2013 #4
You'll hate this ... JoePhilly Nov 2013 #5
Many Are Working On It... Check This (One Of Many) Out... WillyT Nov 2013 #7
Very cool ... although I did have a visceral aversion initially ... JoePhilly Nov 2013 #10
LOL !!! - I Hear Ya... WillyT Nov 2013 #11
Thanks Smokey... Knew You'd Understand... WillyT Nov 2013 #2
I love ya, WillyT!! smokey nj Nov 2013 #13
Setting the country back 10 years by helping getting republicans elected bluestate10 Nov 2013 #3
We Just Helped Get A Republican Elected... In New Jersey... WillyT Nov 2013 #6
We are like mere dogs trying to understand the internet. woo me with science Nov 2013 #8
I Like... WillyT Nov 2013 #9
I Know The Questions Are Tough... But... WillyT Nov 2013 #12

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
1. Answers .... 1) The long view is longer than the next, single, tactical action.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:54 PM
Nov 2013

2) More than any of us wants.

I'll use a football analogy for #1 because it pisses people off.

If you are on your own 5 yard line and have the ball, you could decide to throw the bomb, 4 times in a row. After all, the fastest way to get to the other end zone in one play, is a successful bomb. And you might try it on one of the 4 plays, but generally speaking, you need to take a longer view. Trying it all 4 plays will probably fail. You'll need to include a few running plays. Maybe a few short passes. That takes longer.

The founders created a political system that is inherently slow. And to have success, you're going to have to include some running plays within that system. You are rarely going to get everything all at once.

You don't take the long view because you want to. You take the long view because the obstacles in front of you require it.

Does this mean that people suffer more than those of us on DU would ever want. Absolutely. Which is why most of us push for as much progress as we can get, and then work to mitigate the remaining bad situations as much as we can. And then line up, and do it again. And again.

The fact that you can't save everyone all at once doesn't mean you don't save as many as you can, when you can.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
4. Good And Thoughtful Reply....
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:00 PM
Nov 2013

Yet we are a lot more aware of the "game" at play, than we have EVER been.

Time for a final push... for a more... perfect union.

Get money the hell out of politics.




JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
5. You'll hate this ...
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:05 PM
Nov 2013

But I think its going to take some time to get the money out of politics.

After Citizens United, the situation is more like the other team has the ball, and they are on our 15.

What we need is a "pick 6" ... a fumble ... a turn over ... a mistake. Which probably means a supreme court action that shifts things.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
3. Setting the country back 10 years by helping getting republicans elected
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:56 PM
Nov 2013

is insane. If people who have the purist mindset would understand that and act accordingly, the long view could come true within this decade. The most progressive change within the last five decades has come under the leadership of two Democratic Presidents that the purists are always seem to find something totally wrong with.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
6. We Just Helped Get A Republican Elected... In New Jersey...
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:05 PM
Nov 2013

And if the Tea-Baggers somehow fall on their collective faces between now and a year from now...

Watch the hell out for Christie...

"He's a tough guy, tells the "truth", and all that BS...

And we could have spent some money bloodying up his ass this round.

AND... WE... DiD... NOT.

In fact... it appears he has more than a bit of "tacit" approval... from DEMOCRATS!




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