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Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:42 PM

 

Let Me Ask You A Second Question... Why Would A Young Voter Join The Democratic Party After..

Buono endured repeated slights during her campaign from Democrats around the state. More than 50 elected Democrats publicly endorsed Christie and few others offered much support to Buono, a longtime legislator from Middlesex County.


From: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023992654

I mean... if I was young, and becoming politically aware... I wouldn't.

I was pissed to learn about this last night, and I've been voting Democratic ticket since 1974.


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Reply Let Me Ask You A Second Question... Why Would A Young Voter Join The Democratic Party After.. (Original post)
WillyT Nov 2013 OP
Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #1
WillyT Nov 2013 #2
Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #3
WillyT Nov 2013 #4
Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #5
WillyT Nov 2013 #13
sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #17
WillyT Nov 2013 #20
Jakes Progress Nov 2013 #6
Fumesucker Nov 2013 #7
SomethingFishy Nov 2013 #8
WillyT Nov 2013 #10
mythology Nov 2013 #9
WillyT Nov 2013 #11
Fumesucker Nov 2013 #12
onenote Nov 2013 #28
sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #26
geek tragedy Nov 2013 #14
WillyT Nov 2013 #16
geek tragedy Nov 2013 #56
Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #73
sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #29
geek tragedy Nov 2013 #55
sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #57
scheming daemons Nov 2013 #15
Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #18
scheming daemons Nov 2013 #19
Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #23
scheming daemons Nov 2013 #32
Fumesucker Nov 2013 #36
Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #62
scheming daemons Nov 2013 #63
phleshdef Nov 2013 #71
MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #52
scheming daemons Nov 2013 #53
SidDithers Nov 2013 #60
MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #66
SidDithers Nov 2013 #68
Fumesucker Nov 2013 #21
scheming daemons Nov 2013 #22
Fumesucker Nov 2013 #24
scheming daemons Nov 2013 #27
Fumesucker Nov 2013 #31
scheming daemons Nov 2013 #37
Fumesucker Nov 2013 #42
Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #25
scheming daemons Nov 2013 #30
WillyT Nov 2013 #41
sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #40
scheming daemons Nov 2013 #44
sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #54
scheming daemons Nov 2013 #69
Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #74
scheming daemons Nov 2013 #80
sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #82
Blue_Tires Nov 2013 #76
lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #33
brooklynite Nov 2013 #34
Fumesucker Nov 2013 #39
brooklynite Nov 2013 #46
Fumesucker Nov 2013 #48
Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #75
treestar Nov 2013 #35
Fumesucker Nov 2013 #47
treestar Nov 2013 #49
Fumesucker Nov 2013 #51
brooklynite Nov 2013 #38
sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #43
brooklynite Nov 2013 #45
winter is coming Nov 2013 #50
JI7 Nov 2013 #58
Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #59
Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #79
Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #83
hughee99 Nov 2013 #61
Chathamization Nov 2013 #64
MineralMan Nov 2013 #65
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JoePhilly Nov 2013 #84
joeybee12 Nov 2013 #70
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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:27 PM

1. I don't know much about her but from her concession speech on the other thread, Buono seems

pretty sharp, passionate and committed, I believe she will be back.

I also believe the young people she was speaking to heard her clarion call and will take up the gauntlet as well despite party betrayal.

Thanks for the thread, WillyT.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:50 PM

2. Anytime... Uncle Joe, Anytime...

 




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Response to WillyT (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:59 PM

3. ...

Nobody has a good answer.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:03 PM

4. Yet I Have A Question... That Will Of Course Get Me In Trouble...

 






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Response to WillyT (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:05 PM

5. Not if you post as a "moderate" Republican from New Jersey.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:22 PM

13. I LOVE YOU, MAN !!!

 








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Response to WillyT (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:42 PM

17. It will not get you in trouble with Progressive Democrats, which is really all you should care about

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #17)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:45 PM

20. I Love You Sabrina ! !!!

 






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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:05 PM

6. Good question. The party eats its own.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:06 PM

7. Not voting Democratic out of pique is one thing

Endorsing Republicans because you are a liberal ideologue who didn't get his pony is entirely another level of evil.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:08 PM

8. What you haven't heard? Support for Buono would mean

we wouldn't win back the house in 2014. See it's all about "politics". At least that's what I have heard on DU.
The party is broken. When Democrats support a right wing jerk over someone in their own party, there is a serious problem.

Unless you are on DU of course. Then it's just 11 dimensional political chess.

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Response to SomethingFishy (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:12 PM

10. Ah... Got It... Moving To Higher Ground...

 




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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:11 PM

9. How about because that was one election in one state?

 

On average the Democratic party is more likely to support a whole range of issues that people, young and old should care about.

And if your theory is taken to Republicans, look at the way many establishment Republicans didn't support Cuccinelli.

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Response to mythology (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:19 PM

11. I Believe A Couple Of Things About My Younger Peers...

 

A) They're not as gullible to the trite Americana crap that was tossed at us during OUR youths...

B) They are now able to check out BULLSHIT in nanoseconds, get challenged and /or confirmed in said time and space.

C) They are young... and don't tend to trust the rest of us.

D) Been there, done that.


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Response to mythology (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:21 PM

12. How many Republicans endorsed Democrats?

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:50 PM

28. In Virginia, quite a few repubs endorsed McAuliffe over Cooch.

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Response to mythology (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:49 PM

26. They nest generation has already made their pov clear. They are the victims now of all these

'pragmatic' policies. They are way more informed than previous generations and do not get their info from the Corporate Media. As their numbers increase, they are going to be a real threat to the status quo, according to reports.

That is not a surprise to me as a I know so many of them, just reaching the age where they CAN make a difference. They KNOW what is going on. OWS was a manifestation of the new generation and was impressive in the sense that they are SO aware of the corruption in our electoral system, the ties to Wall St. the corrupting influences of money in our electoral system.

That was the first opening shot of the new generation and as they increase in numbers, which they are, more and more of them are rejecting the Status Quo which has so harmed their futures.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:25 PM

14. To be in the same party as Elizabeth Warren, Barbara Lee, John Lewis,

 

and the future of the country.

Why surrender the party to the corrupt assholes?

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:39 PM

16. Why Not Call Out The Corrupt Assholes, And Hand Them Their Hats ???

 

Why are they even there ?

AND.. what do you think these Dems expect for this behavior ???

Connections in the next Clinton Administration, or Christie Adminstration?


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Response to WillyT (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:48 AM

56. They expected--and got--favors from Governor Christie. Not terribly complicated--that aspect anyhow

 

Why are they there? Because they are there. As Will Pitt said, those who show up decide everything. They get themselves elected on a local level and work up from there.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #56)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:29 PM

73. Those who buy off politicians decide everything. Democrats making corrupt deals with Christie is

 

disgusting, those doing that should be unwelcome here and in the Party. 'I've got money so I get to dictate' is what Koch Bros say. Fuck all the rich out to be richer by destroying democracy.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:50 PM

29. Who ARE the corrupt assholes in your opinion?

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #29)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:47 AM

55. Anyone who endorsed Christie, for starters. Fuck LieberDems. nt

 

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #55)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:50 AM

57. Hell may have frozen over because for once, we agree.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:29 PM

15. Younger voters are smarter than you give them credit for

 

They are able to understand intricacies of politics that require that the party prioritizes their spending to maximize gains. Throwing money into an unwinnable race is mismanagement.

Party leaders endorsing candidates that have zero chance is bad politics, especially for a President.


As for local NJ politicians endorsing Christie....probably a matter of self preservation.


There was no amount of money that could have been spent in NJ that would've stopped Christie.


In addition... If he was going to win... It is to our political advantage for his 2016 plans to get momentum. We want a GOP civil war. Having a candidate front runner that the tea party and RW media loathes helps fan the fires of that civil war.


You can't see the forest for the trees. There's a bigger war going on out here. Read Sun Tzu.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:43 PM

18. You miss the point. 50 ELECTED DEMOCRATS ENDORSED CHRISTIE.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:45 PM

19. In NJ. Not any national Democrats.

 

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #19)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:47 PM

23. Yes. I know. That fact does not negate my point.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:52 PM

32. Not going to get spun up over 50 Dems in NJ that nobody ever heard of endorsing Christie

 

Mole hill.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #32)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:54 PM

36. Fuck Nader!

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #32)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 02:20 AM

62. New Jersey-ans heard of them and that is why he got elected.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #62)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:05 AM

63. he would have won a landslide without a single one of their endorsements

 

He won by 500,000 votes.

Get real, here. He didn't win because a bunch of nobodies in NJ endorsed him.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #62)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:17 PM

71. No, he got elected because he has been riding a 65-70% approval rating since Hurricane Sandy.

 

Period.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #19)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:23 AM

52. President Obama implicitly endorsed Christie

 

By refusing to endorse Buono.

And by spending playtime with Christie in full photo op mode while ignoring his Democratic challenger.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #52)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:27 AM

53. Nonsense.

 

By that same logic, I am correct in saying that when you criticize Obama you are implicitly supporting the GOP.


There's no such thing as an implicit endorsement. The act of endorsing is an explicit event.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #52)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 01:24 AM

60. Oh FFS...



President Obama implicitly endorsed Christie

By refusing to endorse Buono.

And by spending playtime with Christie in full photo op mode while ignoring his Democratic challenger.


ODS.

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #60)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:38 AM

66. Relax

 

Ultimately, I blame it all on the Pope.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #66)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:55 AM

68. The Pope didn't endorse Buono either...

he implicitly endorsed Christie.

Sid

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:46 PM

21. Exactly, it's only the olds who don't grok eleven dimensional chess

We just get stupider and stupider from birth and by the time we are ready for SS we don't know shit.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #21)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:47 PM

22. Not true. The olds get it to. OP was about young voters.

 

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:49 PM

24. What's the point of playing eleven dimensional chess if everyone gets it?

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #24)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:50 PM

27. GOP doesn't get it.

 

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #27)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:52 PM

31. And yet the Republicans seem to control the conversation and the government

Even when they are in the minority.

Pretty good for a group that doesn't understand the rules of the game.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #31)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:55 PM

37. I disagree with your assessment

 

The GOP got creamed last night, with the exception of NJ.

Despite their best efforts, they haven't stopped ObamaCare.


They (GOP) certainly don't think they're winning.

They lost the shutdown big time... And they're a party that is cracking up.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #37)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:58 PM

42. Mandatory private insurance was a Heritage foundation idea

I don't see that as a loss for the Republicans, or at least not for those who control them anyway.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:49 PM

25. When the young see the old abandoning their party then what

is the appeal to supporting their party

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:51 PM

30. Outside of NJ, very few voters... Young or old ... Even know about this

 

Mole hill.


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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:58 PM

41. That Used To Be True... Are You Familiar With Those Four Buttons At The End Of Every Post ???

 

That's DU Social Networking...

And SN has tossed some serious wrenches into the mix.

With Liberty, Justice, and Fairness being in the top tier.


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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:57 PM

40. McCaulliff had zero chance of winning until the party put all that money behind behind him.

Money talks in politics, unfortunately.

But you are correct about how the younger generation. It was THEY who launched the movement OWS and it was an impressive revelation of just how informed they are and how smart and active they are. The old ways are being rejected by the new generations. And that is why the old, corrupt system tried so hard to stop them. But you can't stop an idea, you can brutally attack them, as they did, you can force them out of the pubic square with guns and weapons and false arrests, but you cannot stop them, and they haven't stopped them.

With each new blow to democracy, with each new betrayal, more are enlisted to a movement that will continue to the corrupt, status quo. I am encouraged by the RL movements of Progressive Dems across the country in reaction to the phoniness and the deceptions that has effectively destroyed their futures..

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #40)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:00 AM

44. Not even remotely true

 

Cuccinelli lost the day the government was shutdown.

It was a fait accompli.


And even before that, it was a tied race.


The moment Cuccinelli got the nom, it became a winnable race.

NJ was lost a year ago when Christie embraced Obama.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #44)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:31 AM

54. Would you vote for a Republican simply because they 'embraced Obama'?

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #54)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:08 PM

69. I wouldn't. But many in NJ credit Christie with his post Sandy response

 

And the embrace showed voters in NJ that Christie wasn't a tea party nutjob.

Hurricane Sandy, and Christie's working with Obama in the aftermath of it, sealed Christie's reelection.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #69)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:41 PM

74. If that is the case then Obama really should have endorsed the Democrat. Allowing himself to

 

be used to 'seal' a Republican victory is smarmy business from a second term President. Ugly, nasty politics of the sort that I reject vehemently. Democrats should not be props for Republican image making.
NJ must really suck, other States have disasters and we just expect the governor to do his job no matter what the Party, we do not fall into a shocked stupor when a man simply does what he is paid to do. Christie did nothing special during that disaster that others have not done each year of our history.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #74)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:55 PM

80. Obama denied Christie any larger meaning from his win

 

If Obama, Clinton, Dean, and other national democrats poured money and effort into NJ... Only to have Christie win big anyway... Then Christie's win takes on an even larger meaning.

He could justifiably say:

"The Democrats threw everything they had at me, and I still won. This is how we win nationally. The people of NJ showed that the Democratic message is devoid of merit. If anyone had any doubts before about how America has tuned out this administration, those doubts have been answered."

The pundit class would be talking about nothing else, and tuesday would have a much different spin than it does now.

The current conventional wisdom about tuesday is that Democrats won everywhere they tried to win, and the only GOP win was by a non tea partier in a state where they went up against the Democratic JV team.

The big loser of the election was the tea party. The winner was the Democrats.

Sometimes a strategic retreat in one battle helps one win the overall war.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #69)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 05:22 PM

82. Wrong, Christie was under serious attack for his handling of Sandy one year after it

happened and victims were left to try to pick up the pieces without resources or help from their state. THAT was the issue that could and SHOULD have been used against him.

And I'm not sure what you mean by the 'embrace showed voters in NJ that Christie wasn't a tea party nutjob'. What has that got to do with Dems voting for a Republican? He's still a Right Wing Republican and I sure hope that embrace was not meant to signal support for him over a Dem Candidate. It sure didn't for me. I don't care who hugs who, a Republican is a Republican and Christie had some serious issues that were ignored by the Dem Leadership, not to mention the STate Dems actually DERAILING their own party candidate.

It is just disgusting, especially since it's become a pattern now, along with all the same old excuses.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #40)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:47 PM

76. Zero chance??

uh...NO

You must not live in VA...

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:53 PM

33. Got a call from senate reelection campaign asking for money, I told them after the Democratic Party

Failed to support buono, to solicit their funds from someone else

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:54 PM

34. True or False...1/3 of Democrats VOTED for Chris Christie...

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #34)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:56 PM

39. They were just following the endorsements of their leaders

Isn't that what good Democrats are supposed to do?

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #39)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:11 AM

46. So then, maybe your problems is your weak-minded voters...

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #46)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:14 AM

48. Yes, damn those liberal ideologues for being so weak minded

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #46)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:46 PM

75. Or with corrupt and spineless 'leadership' that promoted Christie.

 

Obama allowed himself and his office to be used as a set piece for the Christie Image Project. Stupid is the word for it, but also craven or simply 'Bipartisan Centrist'.
You all poison the well then blame the thirsty for drinking. The hubris is disgusting.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:54 PM

35. As a young voter, I would not have gone by a thing like that

Younger voters are idealistic. And why reject the party over 50 state Democrats in one state not handling a thing the way you'd like?

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Response to treestar (Reply #35)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:12 AM

47. Young voters are idealistic so they would totally understand a cynical political maneuver

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #47)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:15 AM

49. They'd be thinking about issues

not party hacks from individual states or where the money goes.

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Response to treestar (Reply #49)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:19 AM

51. Issues like abortion?

Minimum wage?

Education?

Democratic leaders in NJ just endorsed someone on the wrong side of all three of those issues and many more and of course it's fine with you.

It's the liberal ideologues who are the real problem in the Democratic party, if we could just get rid of them then total victory would be within our pragmatic moderate centrist grasp.



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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:55 PM

38. I'm a Democrat...I just don't get involved in State races.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #38)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:59 PM

43. Really? Would you have voted for a Republican in a state race as so many Dems did, following the

lead of more than 50 'prominent Dems'?

Why would any Dem support a Corporate puppet like Christie? Can you explain that?

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #43)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:08 AM

45. I'm not an expert on NJ Politics, but I'd guess...

...that "Democrat" doesn't automatically equal "progressive".

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:16 AM

50. Are young voters "joiners"? Perhaps they're not into Party allegiance under

any circumstances.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 01:03 AM

58. that's an Odd reason to Join or Oppose any Party. Reagan Democrats didn't keep me from becoming

a Democrat when it got interested in politics.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 01:13 AM

59. Lol. Maybe to fight against the Tepublifuckation of the U.S.?

 

To stop onslaught on gays, women, and ethnic minorities? To stop the full speed privatization of the public square? Lot's of reasons to support Dems that ought weigh one off-year governor's race.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #59)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:55 PM

79. The Democrats endorsing and assisting Christie are supporting an anti gay, anti choice right winger.

 

He IS the onslaught against us, he and his fellow Republicans and 'Moderate Democrats' who defend him. Yesterday was our Party laying down and rolling over for a Republican who is no different than Ted Cruz.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #79)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 05:27 PM

83. he got out of the way on NJ gay marriage law

 

so whether you think he is right wing or not...he could have fought with every tool available to delay this, but he chose to let it go. That is much different than Ted Cruz.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 01:55 AM

61. At the very least, WHY would you run for a state office unless you were running almost unopposed.

I'll bet that some of the same people that encouraged her to run went on to endorse Christie. They wanted Christie to have an opponent, they didn't want him unopposed, but they didn't have anyone with deep pockets that was willing to oppose him.

If Buono had some big money backers, I'll bet many of those 50 would have at least not endorsed at all rather than actively endorsing a repuke.

As for the arguments "Hey, that's politics", "There's a bigger picture here" and "Those Dems did what they had to do", that message should have been CLEARLY communicated to Buono. Yes, SOMEONE had to run against Christie, and no, they weren't going to have a real good chance. The state party leaders SHOULD have communicated this clearly to her from the get-go to avoid a speech just like this one, which has the potential to do more damage to NJ Democrats than her actual election loss did.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:17 AM

64. Progressive Dems spend the majority of the time here fighting establishment Dems

Depending on your location, the ration of internal to external battles will be different, but there will always be internal opponents and there will always be a need to fight the internal battles. If people want the Democrats to get better, someone has to join and do the hard work. I'm not a big fan of the "I'm not going to join you until after you win" mentality.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:19 AM

65. Perhaps to change it?

That would be my reason.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:51 AM

67. Christie won re-election by standing on the rubble of Hurricane Sandy

and vowing to fix things no matter what he had to do. He bucked his own party, went to Obama even. Refused to play politics when the voters of his state needed help.

I don't personally like the guy, but I see why he won his race. I suspect it would have been suicidal for any state Democrats to oppose him.

Sometimes politics is local.

If he runs for president, it's a whole different race.

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Response to Generic Other (Reply #67)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 05:29 PM

84. +1 ... it really is that simple.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:13 PM

70. It's all three-dimensional chess...you THINK this is giving Christie a national boost

 

But of course it isn't...you're just one of those leftists who doesn't know better.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:21 PM

72. Because we'd hope that a hypothetical young voter is smart enough...

...to base their decisions on a broad range of issues, perhaps even being motivated enough to join to change what they don't like?

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:50 PM

77. What's the shock? You can find races in EVERY cycle

where a big chunk of one party or another crosses over...

I'm not saying that I like or approve of it, but it does happen...

Hell, just four years earlier Dems in Virginia defected en masse to support McDonnell

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:54 PM

78. She the only one who didn't think it a lost cause?

If you have been around party politics for any length of time. You learn to recognize that some times a candidate is put up for a race that nobody expects to win. Yes we need them to pull enough votes to continue our listing as a major party. We don't want them to bring shame or disgrace to the party. And it is a chance for them to get some publicity, exposure to the party, etc.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 04:07 PM

81. I understand...I've been

supporting Dems since 1959 myself..I voted straight Dem - When Dems Were Still Dems- and unfortunately--beyond because I had faith and trust. I shoulda stopped after Carter.

It's hard to face the truth about them-while still hanging on with those Few who Are working for us. I'll support them still--But the Wall Street/Erskin Bowles/Pete Peterson/Clinton/Third Way/No Labels/New Dem Coalition is nothing in my eyes-a group of corporate friendly Politicians who have been, are and will continue to try to convince the masses that what we've watched happen since NAFTA/CAFTA/the repeal of Glass-Steagall is still the answer, coupled with cuts/cuts/cuts to social services We fund, as The Only solution to our economic ills..because the wealthy don't have enuf and they need to be incentivized with More Tax Cuts that are then paid for by the Old, the Hungry, the young, our Vets, the Sick and the working poor aka: formerly Middle Class.
They now try to get us to believe that the Whole Country is moved to the Center Right. Bull Shit. Clearly, when we speak-even through our votes, they have their fingers in their ears screaming "nah,nah,nah,nah,nah" as thery stand there in front of the cameras - shaking their heads over the sad state of the GOP, not understanding how They are out of touch with the American people. That's laughable and a poor performance.
It's just not easy to see politicians I once trusted and believed In and Voted For--stab us in the back alongside the GOP as they lay 100% of the blame on Them. The GOP is about as undeniably Corporate as they come-they don't even Try to hide it anymore...so When are we going to Wake up and accept the Undeniable Truths we are being Shown-with evidence-that the leadership/top ranking Democrats are in on it too?

If you're gonna screw us--for God's Sake Own it.

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Response to fredamae (Reply #81)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 06:37 PM

85. + 1,000,000,000 What You Said !!!

 




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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 06:38 PM

86. Our problem is keeping voters when they are no longer young. nt

 

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 06:41 PM

87. Yes, the moderates that like to lecture everyone are strangely absent right now.

 

That is why I take what they say with a huge grain of rice...they knew nothing when they voted for Reagan and they are still know nothings. I have no doubt they LOVE the repuke they helped put in office. DINOs suck.

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