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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAnyone see the tv show about doomsday preppers?
Good grief... Building bunkers and buying guns, ammo, and stockpiling food..
Kind of like militia folk gone crazy...
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)"Muffy, Darling, has the end of civilization happened yet?"
Speck Tater
(10,618 posts)If one thing doesn't get you, another one will.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)where this man, who had to be pushing seventy, and his wife--who had cancer--were driving this semi stocked with survivalist gear around the country. All I could think was, Really? Doomsday is the biggest threat to you two right now?
Arkansas Granny
(31,483 posts)they must be even hotter than habaneros".
Good night, all.
HubertHeaver
(2,520 posts)HillWilliam
(3,310 posts)aka viper peppers along with heirloom peter peppers (yes, they're named that way because that's why they look like LOL). The peters are lot like pepperoncini but the viper peppers will kill your azz and laugh. They're billed as the world's hottest and I firmly believe it.
Arkansas Granny
(31,483 posts)HillWilliam
(3,310 posts)without being overly hot. A couple in a pot of soupbeans makes just enough "bite" with loads of flavor. They pickle well, too.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Funny how the eyes turn on you at night, isn't it.
RZM
(8,556 posts)I think it's internet only and you have to pay to get it. Other than Glenn and a Blaze news show, I think their only other show is a reality series about a family 'going off the grid.'
I'll bet it's pretty similar to this.
He also hawks 'food insurance' on his radio show. I don't know exactly what that is, but sounds pretty doomsday-ey to me.
EC
(12,287 posts)but for the TORNADOS...basements are fine with normal tornados, but the ones we get now, collapse whole houses. How do you get out of a basement with a collapsed house on top?
HubertHeaver
(2,520 posts)Civil Defense boxes were placed in designated public buildings (I remember seeing them in Chicago's Museum of Science and Industry, not as a display), and military installations. They were never maintained. As a result, the medical supplies went out of date. Any food stored in these boxes became inedible. By 1968 the outer containers were falling apart.
oldhippydude
(2,514 posts)i remeber folks building fallout shelters in thier basements.. circa sputnik
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)incentives were still on the books and he used them to build a parking garage!
Robert Congel's 'fallout shelter' a refuge from taxes
Syracuse, NY -- In the bowels of a private parking garage in Syracuse's Franklin Square, a rusty steel door creaks open to reveal a very expensive storage room.
Bricks are piled in one corner. Office doors are stacked against a concrete wall. A ladder, lawn-care equipment, pallets and pieces of furniture are strewn about.
Built in 1991, the room has cost the city more than $1.2 million so far.
Thats how much the parking garage owners have avoided in property taxes because on paper anyway the storage room is also a fallout shelter.
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/07/robert_congels_fallout_shelter.html
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)I read boating discussion boards and recently an american was asking if a boat would make a good "bug out" plan.
Those not from the US basically didn't understand what he was taking about, and had a good laugh when they finally did.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)oldhippydude
(2,514 posts)i remember since at least the 70's ... having a years worth of preseved food was the deal.. Glen Beck has cashed inon that lately..
jwirr
(39,215 posts)it until the next garden crop was ready. I am sorry but my family has been poor since the 50s and if we did not keep some of those old ways going we would be even poorer today. My 50+ year old s-i-l lost his job to downsizing and will probably not get another job back. He is turning to small scale farming to suppliment the family income.
Now I do not see the need for some of the things these people are doing but the whole damned world is in trouble and the future does not hold a lot of promise what with oil depletion coming and climate change and food shortages. Are we all just supposed to set back and wait for the emergency to suddenly appear? If I learned one thing from Katrina, the tsunami and the mess in Japan it is that we need to have at least a basic preparedness for emergencies.
woodsprite
(11,853 posts)Adsos Letter
(19,459 posts)I've never met any who were building bunkers, etc..
I imagine any preparations most of them make would amount to having extra food on hand, and some live in the countryside where they can be a bit more self-sufficient.
The SDA's I know (and I know quite a few) are non-violent, and pretty much hold an attitude that if persecution comes what happens to them, individually, is in God's hands.
Hence, no violence/fighting.
woodsprite
(11,853 posts)My aunt and uncle were SDAs. I think all of their 5+ kids strayed from that religion into other areas, or none at all.
Adsos Letter
(19,459 posts)I guess some do take some precautions for future trouble, which is basically what Doomsday Preppers is about, just nothing nearly as extreme as the stuff in the show. The church's official stand on government sponsored killing (war) is one of non-combatant, although they do allow individual personal discretion in deciding whether or not to serve in the military. The government allows them official non-combatant status.
And, having said THAT... I know some SDA's have moved up into northern Idaho and Washington and are probably more extreme in preparation than most. Not sure if they are into guns, etc.
Now you've given me a research project.
It's an interesting religion.
A very good book on the whole subject of the SDA church and its relationship to the United States is: Adventism and the American Republic: The Public Involvement of a Major Apocalyptic Movement by Douglas Morgan (2001)
http://www.amazon.com/Adventism-American-Republic-Involvement-Apocalyptic/dp/1572331119/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331313651&sr=1-1
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Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)JHB
(37,128 posts)This type has been arou d since at least the late 70s.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Our power and communication grids are both at least somewhat vulnerable to an extreme solar flare.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859
On September 12, 1859, the largest recorded geomagnetic storm occurred. Aurorae were seen around the world, most notably over the Caribbean; also noteworthy were those over the Rocky Mountains that were so bright that their glow awoke gold miners, who began preparing breakfast because they thought it was morning.[3] People who happened to be awake in the northeastern US could read a newspaper by the aurora's light.[4]
Telegraph systems all over Europe and North America failed, in some cases even shocking telegraph operators.[5] Telegraph pylons threw sparks and telegraph paper spontaneously caught fire.[6] Some telegraph systems appeared to continue to send and receive messages despite having been disconnected from their power supplies.[7]
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/tag/carrington-event/
The Earth has a roughly 12 percent chance of experiencing an enormous megaflare erupting from the sun in the next decade. This event could potentially cause trillions of dollars worth of damage and take up to a decade to recover from.
Such an extreme event is considered to be relatively rare. The last gigantic solar storm, known as the Carrington Event, occurred more than 150 years ago and was the most powerful such event in recorded history.
That a rival to this event might have a greater than 10 percent chance of happening in the next 10 years was surprising to space physicist Pete Riley, senior scientist at Predictive Science in San Diego, California, who published the estimate in Space Weather on Feb. 23.
Even if its off by a factor of two, thats a much larger number than I thought, he said.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/03/110302-solar-flares-sun-storms-earth-danger-carrington-event-science/
But the big fear is what might happen to the electrical grid, since power surges caused by solar particles could blow out giant transformers. Such transformers can take a long time to replace, especially if hundreds are destroyed at once, said Baker, who is a co-author of a National Research Council report on solar-storm risks.
The U.S. Air Force Research Laboratory's Cliver agrees: "They don't have a lot of these on the shelf," he said.
The eastern half of the U.S. is particularly vulnerable, because the power infrastructure is highly interconnected, so failures could easily cascade like chains of dominoes.
"Imagine large cities without power for a week, a month, or a year," Baker said. "The losses could be $1 to $2 trillion, and the effects could be felt for years."
NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)Had a neighbor when in the early 60's who built an underground bomb shelter in his back yard.
That is just how I want to die. Starving to death in a dark bunker with rats scurrying around.
Don
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Yup, I have seen this a couple of times. Whoa!
I saw the one with the truck driver & his wife. There was another one with a woman that is just plain nutty about germs. I felt bad for her family. She's trying to drag her whole neighborhood into it.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)I saw where the woman had her family dress up in gowns and shower caps and latex gloves and run out into the yard.
The poor old man living in the house....using a walker...she's rushing him out and he can hardly walk. I guess if I were that guy I would hit her over the head with my walker and tell her to leave me the fuck alone.
These people have issues. Which isn't a problem FOR THEM or the adults who choose to be in on the whole thing, but many of them are subjecting their kids to the crazy as well.
One of the episodes last night showed a guy whose family business now includes building huge metal underground bunkers. I don't know about the ones they sell, but his personal bunker includes an outer chamber where an intruder (whom they can see on camera) can be instantly vaporized with the push of a button.
Oh, and his fear was a shift in the poles.
They all have a different fear they're preparing against...ironic if someone prepares for a food shortage and their home gets hit by an asteroid instead...
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)She was running from one neighbor to the next foisting her buckets of masks & crap on them. She invited the whole family for dinner and made them all do one of her drills! It made me laugh, but I felt sad at the same time.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)I swear if one more Jehovah's Witness makes the long trek down my driveway to disturb me.............
madokie
(51,076 posts)Although I haven't seen it and don't care to because I'm not the paranoid kind and a bunch of guns and ammo makes me nervous as a cat in amongst a pack of dogs. 2000 they were ready and at the watch as the clock hit 12. Sure felt like fools the next day while working to get a plumbing job finished so we could place and finish the concrete. I've never laughed so hard as I did at these fools.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)His level of crazy is an insult to bedbugs everywhere.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I think a lot of people read too many badly-written, dystopic science fiction novels, and then predicate their actions off them-- quite often, the very same ones who scoff at religious doomsday prophecies, rationalizing a distinction with no difference.
End Timers of any stripe are bemusing to listen to, and tempt me to pat their heads and say, "bless your widdle heart"
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)The ones I've seen on the show.
If TSHTF NONE have the skills to survive.
I took a survival course twenty years ago to learn aboriginal living skills. That shit is hard.
You might survive if you like eating rats and chipmunks.
It could be that it won't be worth living if the world turns the way they believe it will.
A guy (or woman) with a .308 hunting rifle and a scope could pick each and every one of them off from 500 yards and never break a sweat.
Then, all your base belong to him (or her).
The true human predators will survive the longest. Everybody else, particularly the most prepared will be great big fat all you can eat way stations along the way to the rats and the chipmunks.
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HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Okay.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)The MIR Team delivers in 30 minutes or less!
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)I happened to be on the jury for that one.
Poof!
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)liberal_mama
(1,495 posts)It's frightening what these people discuss on that forum. I hope the FBI is watching them. These are very, very dangerous people. And they're armed with many guns. Normal people don't think and act this way.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Broken_Hero
(59,305 posts)the first show, and the last one I saw had a guy in Missouri/Kansas who was building an end of the world "Apartment" in which he would rent/sell rooms for loads of $$$.
I admit I'm somewhat of a prepper, but the issue that concerns me is weather, I live very close to tornado alley(ice storm prone as well), so I got extra supplies of water/food, about a months worth. The only weather related storm I've had to deal with was the ice storm of Jan of 07, we were without power for 10 days.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)built his underground hidey-hole 300 miles away from his house in the middle of some God-forsaken forest, equipped with everything. Someone stole his above-ground generator!!!! (Great planning. Good luck when the Rapture comes, Sparky!)
belcffub
(595 posts)doomsday bunkers...
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)different show, same morons.
belcffub
(595 posts)is to put it on tv for the world to see...
guardian
(2,282 posts)Are these loony tunes allowed to vote?
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)each survivalist condo unit sells for 2 million...
This was on Doomsday Preppers.
IMO this behavior is a form of PTSD.