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Wed Oct 16, 2013, 05:30 PM

Heads are rolling at NSA!!!!

Reuters) - The director of the U.S. National Security Agency and his deputy are expected to depart in the coming months, U.S. officials said on Wednesday, in a development that could give President Barack Obama a chance to reshape the eavesdropping agency.

Army General Keith Alexander's eight-year tenure was rocked this year by revelations contained in documents leaked by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden about the agency's widespread scooping up of telephone, e-mail and social media data.

Alexander has formalized plans to leave by next March or April, while his civilian deputy, John "Chris" Inglis, is due to retire by year's end, according to U.S. officials who spoke on condition of anonymity.

One leading candidate to replace Alexander is Vice Admiral Michael Rogers, currently commander of the U.S. Navy's 10th Fleet and U.S. Fleet Cyber Command, officials told Reuters. The 10th Fleet and Fleet Cyber Command both have their headquarters at Fort Meade, Maryland, between Washington and Baltimore. The NSA is also headquartered at Fort Meade.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/16/us-usa-nsa-transition-idUSBRE99F12W20131016

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Reply Heads are rolling at NSA!!!! (Original post)
dixiegrrrrl Oct 2013 OP
sibelian Oct 2013 #1
Glassunion Oct 2013 #5
Buns_of_Fire Oct 2013 #26
Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #2
Octafish Oct 2013 #3
dixiegrrrrl Oct 2013 #4
Octafish Oct 2013 #23
dixiegrrrrl Oct 2013 #31
jmowreader Oct 2013 #7
Octafish Oct 2013 #22
Octafish Oct 2013 #25
jmowreader Oct 2013 #28
randome Oct 2013 #12
sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #29
Glassunion Oct 2013 #6
SamYeager Oct 2013 #8
HipChick Oct 2013 #9
SamYeager Oct 2013 #10
HipChick Oct 2013 #13
bluestate10 Oct 2013 #14
SamYeager Oct 2013 #16
sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #30
octoberlib Oct 2013 #11
WillyT Oct 2013 #15
BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #17
Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2013 #18
dixiegrrrrl Oct 2013 #20
NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #19
upi402 Oct 2013 #21
dixiegrrrrl Oct 2013 #32
nashville_brook Oct 2013 #24
tblue37 Oct 2013 #27

Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 05:33 PM

1. Are they dismantling the stupid control room as well


with all the Star Trek chairs and the great big Captain's Chair and stuff?

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Response to sibelian (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 07:44 PM

5. I hope it's like the scene in Airplane 2 where Shatner

throws a hissy fit yelling "Shut it down"

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Response to sibelian (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 01:04 AM

26. Beam him up, Scotty. nt

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 05:35 PM

2. Snowden is a traitor. A criminal. There was nothing new in

his revelations, but he gave away top secret stuff that threatened lives. Pole dancer. Boxes. Greenwald is gay. Putin. The NSA isn't really doing any of that bad stuff.

Help me out here. What am I missing?

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 07:07 PM

3. More spying would have stopped 9-11.

Except it didn't.



New NSA docs contradict 9/11 claims

“I don’t think the Bush administration would want to see these released," an expert tells Salon

By Jordan Michael Smith
Salon.com
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2012 04:24 PM EDT

Over 120 CIA documents concerning 9/11, Osama bin Laden and counterterrorism were published today for the first time, having been newly declassified and released to the National Security Archive. The documents were released after the NSA pored through the footnotes of the 9/11 Commission and sent Freedom of Information Act requests.

The material contains much new information about the hunt before and after 9/11 for bin Laden, the development of the drone campaign in AfPak, and al-Qaida’s relationship with America’s ally, Pakistan. Perhaps most damning are the documents showing that the CIA had bin Laden in its cross hairs a full year before 9/11 — but didn’t get the funding from the Bush administration White House to take him out or even continue monitoring him. The CIA materials directly contradict the many claims of Bush officials that it was aggressively pursuing al-Qaida prior to 9/11, and that nobody could have predicted the attacks. “I don’t think the Bush administration would want to see these released, because they paint a picture of the CIA knowing something would happen before 9/11, but they didn’t get the institutional support they needed,” says Barbara Elias-Sanborn, the NSA fellow who edited the materials.

SNIP...

Former National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice has taken credit for the drone program that the Bush administration ignored. “Things like working to get an armed Predator that actually turned out to be extraordinarily important, working to get a strategy that would allow us to get better cooperation from Pakistan and from the Central Asians,” she said in 2006. “We were not left a comprehensive strategy to fight al-Qaida.” Rice claimed that the Bush administration continued the Clinton administration’s counterterrorism policies, a claim the documents disprove. “If the administration wanted to get it done, I’m sure they could have gotten it done,” says Elias-Sanborn.

Many of the documents publicize for the first time what was first made clear in the 9/11 Commission: The White House received a truly remarkable amount of warnings that al-Qaida was trying to attack the United States. From June to September 2001, a full seven CIA Senior Intelligence Briefs detailed that attacks were imminent, an incredible amount of information from one intelligence agency. One from June called “Bin-Ladin and Associates Making Near-Term Threats” writes that “[redacted] expects Usama Bin Laden to launch multiple attacks over the coming days.” The famous August brief called “Bin Ladin Determined to Strike the US” is included. “Al-Qai’da members, including some US citizens, have resided in or travelled to the US for years, and the group apparently maintains a support structure here,” it says. During the entire month of August, President Bush was on vacation at his ranch in Texas — which tied with one of Richard Nixon’s as the longest vacation ever taken by a president. CIA Director George Tenet has said he didn’t speak to Bush once that month, describing the president as being “on leave.” Bush did not hold a Principals’ meeting on terrorism until September 4, 2001, having downgraded the meetings to a deputies’ meeting, which then-counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke has repeatedly said slowed down anti-Bin Laden efforts “enormously, by months.”

CONTINUED w LINKS...

http://www.salon.com/2012/06/19/new_nsa_docs_reveal_911_truths/

Maybe if they started spying in Feb. 2001...

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Response to Octafish (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 07:29 PM

4. Rice's word salad is like Paln's but with bigger words.

Rice seems to have relied mainly on long words and cronyism to fake her way thru the adult world.
Every time I have heard her speak, it is so evident she is faking it.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 12:54 AM

23. Condescenda

Published on Thursday, April 8, 2004 by the Center for American Progress

Claim vs. Fact: Rice's Q&A Testimony Before the 9/11 Commission

Planes as Weapons

CLAIM:
"I do not remember any reports to us, a kind of strategic warning, that planes might be used as weapons." [responding to Kean]

FACT: Condoleezza Rice was the top National Security official with President Bush at the July 2001 G-8 summit in Genoa. There, "U.S. officials were warned that Islamic terrorists might attempt to crash an airliner" into the summit, prompting officials to "close the airspace over Genoa and station antiaircraft guns at the city's airport." [Sources: Los Angeles Times, 9/27/01; White House release, 7/22/01]

CLAIM: "I was certainly not aware of [intelligence reports about planes as missiles] at the time that I spoke" in 2002. [responding to Kean]

FACT: While Rice may not have been aware of the 12 separate and explicit warnings about terrorists using planes as weapons when she made her denial in 2002, she did know about them when she wrote her March 22, 2004 Washington Post op-ed. In that piece, she once again repeated the claim there was no indication "that terrorists were preparing to attack the homeland using airplanes as missiles." [Source: Washington Post, 3/22/04]



US National Security Advisor Dr. Condoleezza Rice listens to a question during testimony before the 9/11 commission in the Hart Senate office building in Washington April 8, 2004. REUTERS/Larry Downing

August 6 PDB

CLAIM: There was "nothing about the threat of attack in the U.S." in the Presidential Daily Briefing the President received on August 6th. [responding to Ben Veniste]

FACT: Rice herself confirmed that "the title [of the PDB] was, 'Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States.'" [Source: Condoleezza Rice, 4/8/04]

Domestic Threat

CLAIM:
"One of the problems was there was really nothing that look like was going to happen inside the United States...Almost all of the reports focused on al-Qaida activities outside the United States, especially in the Middle East and North Africa...We did not have...threat information that was in any way specific enough to suggest something was coming in the United States." [responding to Gorelick]

FACT: Page 204 of the Joint Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 noted that "In May 2001, the intelligence community obtained a report that Bin Laden supporters were planning to infiltrate the United States" to "carry out a terrorist operation using high explosives." The report "was included in an intelligence report for senior government officials in August [2001]." In the same month, the Pentagon "acquired and shared with other elements of the Intelligence Community information suggesting that seven persons associated with Bin Laden had departed various locations for Canada, the United Kingdom, and the United States." [Sources: Joint Congressional Report, 12/02]

CLAIM: "If we had known an attack was coming against the United States...we would have moved heaven and earth to stop it." [responding to Roemer]

FACT:
Rice admits that she was told that "an attack was coming." She said, "Let me read you some of the actual chatter that was picked up in that spring and summer: Unbelievable news coming in weeks, said one. Big event -- there will be a very, very, very, very big uproar. There will be attacks in the near future." [Source: Condoleezza Rice, 4/8/04]

Cheney Counterterrorism Task Force

CLAIM:
"The Vice President was, a little later in, I think, in May, tasked by the President to put together a group to look at all of the recommendations that had been made about domestic preparedness and all of the questions associated with that." [responding to Fielding]

FACT: The Vice President's task force never once convened a meeting. In the same time period, the Vice President convened at least 10 meetings of his energy task force, and six meetings with Enron executives. [Source: Washington Post, 1/20/02; GAO Report, 8/03]

Principals Meetings

CLAIM:
"The CSG (Counterterrorism Security Group) was made up of not junior people, but the top level of counterterrorism experts. Now, they were in contact with their principals." [responding to Fielding]

FACT: "Many of the other people at the CSG-level, and the people who were brought to the table from the domestic agencies, were not telling their principals. Secretary Mineta, the secretary of transportation, had no idea of the threat. The administrator of the FAA, responsible for security on our airlines, had no idea." [Source: 9/11 Commissioner Jamie Gorelick, 4/8/04]

Previous Administration

CLAIM: "The decision that we made was to, first of all, have no drop-off in what the Clinton administration was doing, because clearly they had done a lot of work to deal with this very important priority." [responding to Kean]

FACT: Internal government documents show that while the Clinton Administration officially prioritized counterterrorism as a "Tier One" priority, but when the Bush Administration took office, top officials downgraded counterterrorism. As the Washington Post reported, these documents show that before Sept. 11 the Bush Administration "did not give terrorism top billing." Rice admitted that "we decided to take a different track" than the Clinton Administration in protecting America. [Source: Internal government documents, 1998-2001; Washington Post, 3/22/04; Rice testimony, 4/8/04]

FBI

CLAIM:
The Bush Administration has been committed to the "transformation of the FBI into an agency dedicated to fighting terror." [responding to Kean]

FACT: Before 9/11, Attorney General John Ashcroft de-emphasized counterterrorism at the FBI, in favor of more traditional law enforcement. And according to the Washington Post, "in the early days after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the Bush White House cut by nearly two-thirds an emergency request for counterterrorism funds by the FBI, an internal administration budget document shows." And according to a new report by the Congressional Research Service, "numerous confidential law enforcement and intelligence sources who challenge the FBI's claim that it has successfully retooled itself to gather critical intelligence on terrorists as well as fight crime." [Source: Washington Post, 3/22/04; Congressional Quarterly, 4/6/04]

CLAIM: "The FBI issued at least three nationwide warnings to federal, state and law enforcement agencies and specifically stated that, although the vast majority of the information indicated overseas targets, attacks against the homeland could not be ruled out. The FBI tasked all 56 of its U.S. field offices to increase surveillance of known suspects of terrorists and to reach out to known informants who might have information on terrorist activities." [responding to Gorelick]

FACT: The warnings are "feckless. They don't tell anybody anything. They don't bring anyone to battle stations." [Source: 9/11 Commissioner Jamie Gorelick, 4/8/04]

Homeland Security

CLAIM:
"I think that having a Homeland Security Department that can bring together the FAA and the INS and Customs and all of the various agencies is a very important step." [responding to Hamilton]

FACT: The White House vehemently opposed the creation of the Department of Homeland security. Its opposition to the concept delayed the creation of the department by months.

CLAIM: "We have created a threat terrorism information center, the TTIC, which does bring together all of the sources of information from all of the intelligence agencies -- the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security and the INS and the CIA and the DIA -- so that there's one place where all of this is coming together." [responding to Fielding]

FACT: "Knowledgeable sources complain that the president's new Terrorist Threat Integration Center, which reports to CIA Director George Tenet rather than to Ridge, has created more of a moat than a bridge. The ability to spot the nation's weakest points was going to make Homeland Security different, recalled one person involved in the decision to set up TTIC. But now, the person said, 'that whole effort has been gutted by the White House creation of TTIC, [which] has served little more than to give the appearance of progress.'" [Source: National Journal, 3/6/04]

IRAQ-9/11

CLAIM: "There was a discussion of Iraq. I think it was raised by Don Rumsfeld. It was pressed a bit by Paul Wolfowitz."

FACT: Rice's statement confirms previous proof that the Administration was focusing on Iraq immediately after 9/11, despite having no proof that Iraq was involved in the attack. Rice's statement also contradicts her previous denials in which she claimed "Iraq was to the side" immediately after 9/11. She made this denial despite the President signing "a 2-and-a-half-page document marked 'TOP SECRET'" six days after 9/11 that "directed the Pentagon to begin planning military options for an invasion of Iraq." [Source: Condoleezza Rice, 3/22/04, 3/22/04; Washington Post, 1/12/03]

CLAIM: "Given that this was a global war on terror, should we look not just at Afghanistan but should we look at doing something against Iraq?"

FACT: The Administration has not produced one shred of evidence that Iraq had an operational relationship with Al Qaeda, or that Iraq had anything to do with the 9/11 attacks on America. In fact, a U.S. Army War College report said that the war in Iraq has been a diversion that has drained key resources from the more imminent War on Terror. Just this week, USA Today reported that "in 2002, troops from the 5th Special Forces Group who specialize in the Middle East were pulled out of the hunt for Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan to prepare for their next assignment: Iraq." Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL) confirmed this, noting in February of 2002, a senior military commander told him "We are moving military and intelligence personnel and resources out of Afghanistan to get ready for a future war in Iraq." [Sources: CNN, 1/13/04; USA Today, 3/28/04; Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL), 3/26/04]

War on Terror

CLAIM: After 9/11, "the President put states on notice if they were sponsoring terrorists."

FACT: The President continues to say Saudi Arabia is "our friend" despite their potential ties to terrorists. As the LA Times reported, "the 27 classified pages of a congressional report about Sept. 11 depict a Saudi government that not only provided significant money and aid to the suicide hijackers but also allowed potentially hundreds of millions of dollars to flow to Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups through suspect charities and other fronts." Just this week, Newsweek reported "within weeks of the September 11 terror attacks, security officers at the Fleet National Bank in Boston had identified 'suspicious' wire transfers from the Saudi Embassy in Washington that eventually led to the discovery of an active Al Qaeda 'sleeper cell' that may have been planning follow-up attacks inside the United States." [Source: LA Times, 8/2/03; CNN, 11/23/02; Newsweek, 4/7/04]

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http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0408-04.htm

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Response to Octafish (Reply #23)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 11:33 AM

31. Yep.

She's a "look good".
Had one of those as a boss once.
The "right" clothes, the "right" car, the "right" patter. The car was a 10 year old BMW, but it WAS a BMW and that is what counted, even tho, I found out later, she was practically broke and needed that job badly.
Not only did she NOT do her job, she did not UNDERSTAND her job, I had to explain it her.
But she had the looks and the attitude that allowed her to sail thru life, every fake day of it.
Exactly like Rice..the minute I saw Rice talking on tv I knew her.
Even Bush did a better job of moving his lips correctly and following a script than Rice did.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 07:45 PM

7. The "intelligence failure" that caused 9/11 was between Bush's ears

I haven't yet seen the answer to this simple question: who tasked NSA with the metadata mission? Intelligence agencies don't spy on people for the hell of it; SOMEONE had to come up with this.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 12:46 AM

22. Absolutely. But who runs the machine?

Same power group Steve Kangas pegged.



Origins of the Overclass

EXCERPT...

How did this alliance start? The CIA has always recruited the nation’s elite: millionaire businessmen, Wall Street brokers, members of the national news media, and Ivy League scholars. During World War II, General "Wild Bill" Donovan became chief of the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), the forerunner of the CIA. Donovan recruited so exclusively from the nation’s rich and powerful that members eventually came to joke that "OSS" stood for "Oh, so social!"

Another early elite was Allen Dulles, who served as Director of the CIA from 1953 to 1961. Dulles was a senior partner at the Wall Street firm of Sullivan and Cromwell, which represented the Rockefeller empire and other mammoth trusts, corporations and cartels. He was also a board member of the J. Henry Schroeder Bank, with offices in Wall Street, London, Zurich and Hamburg. His financial interests across the world would become a conflict of interest when he became head of the CIA. Like Donavan, he would recruit exclusively from society’s elite.

By the 1950s, the CIA had riddled the nation’s businesses, media and universities with tens of thousands of part-time, on-call operatives. Their employment with the agency took a variety of forms, which included:

Leaving one's profession to work for the CIA in a formal, official capacity.
Staying in one's profession, using the job as cover for CIA activity. This undercover activity could be full-time, part-time, or on-call.
Staying in one's profession, occasionally passing along information useful to the CIA.
Passing through the revolving door that has always existed between the agency and the business world.


Historically, the CIA and society’s elite have been one and the same people. This means that their interests and goals are one and the same as well. Perhaps the most frequent description of the intelligence community is the "old boy network," where members socialize, talk shop, conduct business and tap each other for favors well outside the formal halls of government.

Many common traits made it inevitable that the CIA and Corporate America would become allies. Both share an intense dislike of democracy, and feel they should be liberated from democratic regulations and oversight. Both share a culture of secrecy, either hiding their actions from the American public or lying about them to present the best public image. And both are in a perfect position to help each other.

CONTINUED...

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-overclass.html



Which explains why Wikileaks and the STRATFOR dump were so embarrassing for the traitors who run the show on behalf, not of We the People, but the satanic and corrupt Have-Mores.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 12:57 AM

25. Remember Der Bush Pilot, jmowreader?

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Response to Octafish (Reply #25)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 01:53 AM

28. I'd not seen that one, but it's great.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 08:09 PM

12. You forgot 'confused loner'.

 

[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.
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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 01:56 AM

29. Lol! You're not missing anything. We NEED Whistle Blowers, we need more

of them.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 07:45 PM

6. It will not be an improvement.

If I may paraphrase the Who... New boss, same as the old boss...

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 07:48 PM

8. Somebody needs to pay for the disgraceful way contractors can access secret information.

 

That Snowden could ever get what he got is a scandal unto itself.

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Response to SamYeager (Reply #8)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 07:53 PM

9. Nothing to do with the NSA

Clearance is granted through a different process..

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Response to HipChick (Reply #9)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 07:55 PM

10. Doesn't matter.

 

Outsourcing our top secret agencies to contractors who are not beholden to the nation but are instead beholden to corporate structures and investors is a violation of national security in itself.

Every last bit of outsourced services must be brought back inside the NSA, CIA, and other intelligence agencies. IT is a matter of national security.

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Response to SamYeager (Reply #10)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 08:18 PM

13. Keep dreaming...

It will never happen...

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Response to SamYeager (Reply #10)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 08:55 PM

14. I have to agree with you. Contractors should never be allowed to access sensitive information

about what is being collected and strategies for using that information. There should be a military-Intelligence structure that handles sensitive information and tactics, with robust oversight from Senate and House Intelligence committees.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #14)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 08:59 PM

16. And this issue doesn't even touch the issue of NSA overreach. n/t

 

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Response to SamYeager (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 01:58 AM

30. Someone needs to pay for the disgraceful way our Government agencies

who have received billions of Tax Dollars, have been SPYING ON THE American People.

Heads DO need to roll. Thanks to the Whistle Blowers who were willing to risk their own freedom to inform the people of the corruption that has been prevalent since Bush/Cheney, (and whoever they work for) began the takeover of this country.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 08:07 PM

11. Kick!

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 08:57 PM

15. HUGE K & R !!!

 




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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 08:59 PM

17. Hopefully the next director is a plumber. nt

 

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 09:13 PM

18. Thank you, Edward Snowden and Glenn Greewald.

 

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #18)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 09:27 PM

20. Not to mention that Brazol, Germany and other countries are now taking measures

against USA snooping.
They will not be alone.
The revelations have have pissed off a LOT of folks across the globe.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 09:25 PM

19. Wow. Recommended. (nt)

 

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 09:36 PM

21. and WHO do we have to thank for this?

No good deed goes unpunished.

It's healthy to lift the rug and sweep once in a while.
A little light is necessary too!

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Response to upi402 (Reply #21)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 11:38 AM

32. Most of the gov. internal housecleaning is discreet.

In this case, it has to be.
Think about it.....what can the 'house cleaners" say that won't make the situation worse in the public, and esp. in the allies, point of view?
They can't admit NSA is fallible, and cannot imply the spying was wrong, and can't promise they won't do more of it.
Therefore people 'step down" instead of being fired.
Plus they get to keep their bennies.

I suspect the heads rolled in part because Snowden got his hands on their info.
and the security part of their operations was not really secure, and SOMEBODY had to be the goat.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 12:54 AM

24. big k and r

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 01:28 AM

27. I am celebrating the reopening of the federal government and raising of the debt ceiling

with this gif, but I think it is appropriate for this thread, too:

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