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Mon Oct 14, 2013, 03:20 PM

Politicususa: Proposed Senate Debt Ceiling Deal Is a Complete Crushing of the Republican Party

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Reply Politicususa: Proposed Senate Debt Ceiling Deal Is a Complete Crushing of the Republican Party (Original post)
melody Oct 2013 OP
Lobo27 Oct 2013 #1
Robbins Oct 2013 #2
Roland99 Oct 2013 #11
kysrsoze Oct 2013 #3
melody Oct 2013 #4
NightWatcher Oct 2013 #5
melody Oct 2013 #7
NightWatcher Oct 2013 #9
melody Oct 2013 #13
AlinPA Oct 2013 #10
melody Oct 2013 #12
AlinPA Oct 2013 #14
melody Oct 2013 #15
AlinPA Oct 2013 #16
melody Oct 2013 #18
jeff47 Oct 2013 #17
melody Oct 2013 #19
jeff47 Oct 2013 #22
melody Oct 2013 #23
Egnever Oct 2013 #6
Dawson Leery Oct 2013 #8
Hutzpa Oct 2013 #20
melody Oct 2013 #21
Hutzpa Oct 2013 #25
AlinPA Oct 2013 #26
melody Oct 2013 #27
AlinPA Oct 2013 #28
melody Oct 2013 #29
AlinPA Oct 2013 #30
melody Oct 2013 #31
Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2013 #24
Snake Plissken Oct 2013 #32
byronius Oct 2013 #33

Response to melody (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 03:25 PM

1. If that were to go through, it would change the political landscape for a longtime.

The Dems will finally realize that they can beat the crazy nut bullies.

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Response to melody (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 03:31 PM

2. Reading this

The deal looks even better than I thought.

Roll call Is saying reid is one of dems oppossed to delaying or replealing the medical device tax.

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Response to Robbins (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 03:54 PM

11. I agree...does sound better on the face than I've read previously.

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Response to melody (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 03:35 PM

3. I'm a little confused. Doesn't the deal still have to pass the House?

... I know Boner was invited to today's meeting, but has he signaled he'll bring it up for a vote? Or am I missing something?

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Response to kysrsoze (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 03:39 PM

4. An agreement among all parties suggests an agreement among all parties

Boehner isn't going to bring anything to the House he doesn't think he can swing.

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Response to kysrsoze (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 03:40 PM

5. The Senate can agree all they want, but I don't see the nuts in the House passing anything

I think they want to take us over the edge

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 03:50 PM

7. Boehner will be at the agreement meething

He's not going to agree to anything the House won't pass.

At very least, they'll be pretty sure it'll play. The majority in the House isn't comprised of Tea Party drones.

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Response to melody (Reply #7)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 03:52 PM

9. Those that aren't teabaggerific are becoming increasingly scared of primary challengers

I don't see Boner as the leader any more in the House. Maybe they should run it by a nutjob or two

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #9)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 03:56 PM

13. What was I thinking? We're all doomed lol

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Response to melody (Reply #7)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 03:53 PM

10. The GOP majority in the House are teabaggers. Look at their votes in the last few weeks.

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Response to AlinPA (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 03:55 PM

12. No they aren't

Anyway, those that are teabaggers are going to be primaried.

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Response to melody (Reply #12)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 03:57 PM

14. Their votes in the last few weeks are exactly the same. Teabaggers constituents love this crap.

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Response to AlinPA (Reply #14)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 03:59 PM

15. They already had a majority -- that's why Cantor wouldn't let them vote

Remember?

When Pete King is calling Cruz out by name, then even the traditional conservative Congressmen have had enough.

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Response to melody (Reply #15)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 04:03 PM

16. The GOP vote in the House does not reflect any disagreement among them. Teabaggers' agenda

is still being pushed by Boehner and the votes show his success as their leader.

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Response to AlinPA (Reply #16)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 04:07 PM

18. Boehner is going to be at the meeting -- there will be no agreement without Boehner agreeing to it

No one is "pushing" anything except for the right of our nation not to be crippled economically for the next twenty years.

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Response to kysrsoze (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 04:04 PM

17. A "deal" in the Senate can give Capt. Orange cover for bringing it to a vote. (nt)

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #17)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 04:08 PM

19. Boehner is going to be at the meeting -- there will be no agreement without Boehner agreeing to it

How many times do I have to say that?

He's not going to agree if he can't .. oh, never mind.

Yeah, we're all doomed.

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Response to melody (Reply #19)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 04:15 PM

22. Uh....I'm not arguing against you.

I'm explaining the mechanism by which Capt. Orange will bring to a vote despite it being the same deal he has rejected for two weeks.

He'll declare it something new and bring it to a vote, passing it mostly with Democratic votes. Just like he could have passed a "clean" CR two weeks ago. But this one's new (and his ass is currently in his hand), so he'll bring it to a vote.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #22)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 04:18 PM

23. Oh, okay, sorry, it's been a long day n/t

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Response to melody (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 03:43 PM

6. This means the "moderate republicans" have decided the Tea party has so damaged themseves

 

through this they are no longer a primary threat.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 03:52 PM

8. +1

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Response to melody (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 04:08 PM

20. If I was in Harry's shoes

I'll accept this deal only if they can accept banishment of the filibuster rule, which in my
opinion will prevent the republicans from reneging on the deal.

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Response to Hutzpa (Reply #20)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 04:11 PM

21. Boehner is going to be at the meeting -- there will be no agreement without Boehner agreeing to it

That's why the Congressional leadership is going to be there.

Would Boehner negotiate and then refuse to have it brought to a vote? The problem with the resolution of the crisis all along has been bringing it to a vote. The votes for a clean CR are already there.

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Response to melody (Reply #21)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 04:37 PM

25. The republicans or should I say teahadist have proven

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that they cannot be trusted, the administration will have to throw a stiff ball with no wiggle room,
I don't think a curve ball will work, but a nice looking slow ball that gives you the impression that
you might hit a home run will do the trick.

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Response to melody (Reply #21)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 04:40 PM

26. I'm sorry, but why would Boehner bring it to a vote? Do you actualy believe he is "negotiating"

in good faith? I don't. Do you think that Boehner and his teabaggers don't want a default?

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Response to AlinPA (Reply #26)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 04:45 PM

27. Would Boehner be on the verge of an agreement if he wasn't?

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The baggers are still the minority in Congress. The moderate and real conservative GOP with the Democrats will carry it.

BOY, was I wrong!

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Response to melody (Reply #27)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 04:53 PM

28. We disagree on the trustworthiness of Boehner. He is now leading the teabagger agenda and would

not allow a vote.

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Response to AlinPA (Reply #28)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 04:54 PM

29. Cantor is in control of the vote right now, not Boehner

He's not going to agree to anything he can't bring to the House floor and get it passed. Otherwise, he'd look bad.

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Response to melody (Reply #29)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 05:08 PM

30. OK. The "Hastert Rule" would be at stake in any case where a majority of the GOP was not certain.

Also, I'm not sure that the teabaggers (including Cantor and Boehner) would allow a vote unless there is a major (complete) concession in the ACA by the President and Democrats in the Senate which I doubt is happening. Default is their preferred outcome.

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Response to AlinPA (Reply #30)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 05:09 PM

31. Okay, I surrender, we're doomed. No doubt about it. Time to fall on our swords n/t

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Response to melody (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 04:24 PM

24. I can live with this

It gives nothing and promises nothing but budget negotiations which, of course, the Dems wanted and tried to get 19 times before this mess.

Hopefully, it is accepted and passed so that the wailing and gnashing of teabaggers can start.

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Response to melody (Original post)

Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:11 AM

32. what Republicans get out of the proposed Senate deal is Nothing, but a crushing surrender

What else should they get?

They whine about handouts to the point of contracting a terminal case of diaper rash and the first chance they get, they come looking for a handout.

Next time you sucker punch someone who is stronger than you, instead of expecting him to give you a handout, be prepared to get your ass kicked.

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Response to melody (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:54 AM

33. My formerly-Republican business partner suggests Boehner will use the intransigence of the Teabagger

contingent as a cover excuse for bringing it to the floor. I hope this is true.

Only the fact that this has happened once before with a similar cast is keeping Everything from tanking. Good things are afoot, the world wants us to be all right, and the human spirit is alive and well in the USA; only a tight cadre of murderous religious sociopaths stands in the way. If the nation defaults the Republican Party becomes the Anarchist Mad Max Post-Apocalyptic Party forever, with no chance of rebranding and a certainty of a Teabagger Party splitting off. Truly, it is political suicide and a permanent historical stain for them.

If they step back from the brink now there's still a chance of American Amnesia keeping their black heart beating.

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