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If you could not live in the USA, where would you live, and why ? (Original Post) steve2470 Mar 2012 OP
I've lived in Germany and Australia HeiressofBickworth Mar 2012 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author newfie11 Mar 2012 #26
Canada.. maybe Taiwan. AsahinaKimi Mar 2012 #2
wow, gorgeous photos, would be wonderful to go there one day ! nt steve2470 Mar 2012 #8
French Polynesian islands gets my vote too. geckosfeet Mar 2012 #21
I felt the same way when I was there zappaman Mar 2012 #49
Pandora Kennah Mar 2012 #3
Probably Canada or England, for their cool climate and they speak English. Rochester Mar 2012 #4
If I had no money issues, I would live in France. Paka Mar 2012 #5
I'm with you on France - or maybe Italy. IndyJones Mar 2012 #65
Luxembourg without a doubt JCMach1 Mar 2012 #6
Maybe you mean Liechtenstein with the mountains? nt Lucky Luciano Mar 2012 #43
The Ardennes are partially in Luxembourg RainDog Mar 2012 #54
They are smaller mountains... similar to the Appalachians in some ways... JCMach1 Mar 2012 #62
Very pretty. Lucky Luciano Mar 2012 #87
Canada has Harper--he's the Bush of the North. MADem Mar 2012 #7
And judging by the polls, Australia will next year have Prime Minister Abbott RFKHumphreyObama Mar 2012 #10
Canada, the UK, or Australia. Even their right-wingers are slightly more tolerable than ours. FLAprogressive Mar 2012 #9
Not really. They're pretty odious, they just have more charming accents. nt MADem Mar 2012 #12
Toulouse France Sen. Walter Sobchak Mar 2012 #11
One of the Scandinavian countries longship Mar 2012 #13
I thought the same n/t deutsey Mar 2012 #83
Germany HubertHeaver Mar 2012 #14
France or Italy mikeytherat Mar 2012 #15
Japan Shankapotomus Mar 2012 #16
BERMUDA..zero illiteracy, zero poverty, and one guy unemployed and they all know who he is Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2012 #17
Your finances and your age figure in,,, Oldfolkie Mar 2012 #18
I'll agree that Japan is a country for younger foreigners Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #75
Mexico... a la izquierda Mar 2012 #19
Austria. I can claim citizenship there. hobbit709 Mar 2012 #20
Toronto...my favorite city in North America... PCIntern Mar 2012 #22
love T Dot greymattermom Mar 2012 #84
Lately I've been hooked on the House Hunters International shows and Vinca Mar 2012 #23
Wyoming KG Mar 2012 #24
I'm sure this factored into your decision steve2470 Mar 2012 #25
Really? newfie11 Mar 2012 #27
Realistically, probably England. My husband has dual citizenship and has family there. Luciferous Mar 2012 #28
Koh Samui, Thailand Atman Mar 2012 #29
Galicia Spain in a heart beat newfie11 Mar 2012 #30
Campagnia, Italy Stinky The Clown Mar 2012 #31
Lately, I'm not so sure I'm living in the USA. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2012 #32
In Southern Italy or the Alsass Loraine region of France. Javaman Mar 2012 #33
Nova Scotia or Newfoundland mac56 Mar 2012 #34
If I didn't have money issues, I'd live in Portugal, despite their economic woes meow2u3 Mar 2012 #35
vancouver, b.c. frylock Mar 2012 #36
I'd go to Canada, too, Blue_In_AK Mar 2012 #37
Japan Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2012 #38
I think a lot of people here don't realize, like you do ........ oldhippie Mar 2012 #47
same here. still looking to move there but incredibly difficult. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #56
Somewhere with a great veggie growing climate. HopeHoops Mar 2012 #39
While working: Australia taught_me_patience Mar 2012 #40
New Zealand hifiguy Mar 2012 #41
The British Isles, preferrably Scotland. RebelOne Mar 2012 #42
Mediterranean Isle of Corfu B Calm Mar 2012 #44
Scotland stuntcat Mar 2012 #45
I love the Med. LOVE it!!! pink-o Mar 2012 #46
Denmark, Free colledge education. Devil_Fish Mar 2012 #48
Southern France or coastal Italy. Arugula Latte Mar 2012 #50
Since I've never been anywhere, I don't know. Ireland, Canada, & France seem beautiful. nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #51
cold and green. so canada would work. ireland, scotland... nt seabeyond Mar 2012 #52
I'm surprised no one's yet said Switzerland Mister Ed Mar 2012 #53
A much better question would be "why do we seem to be so trapped in the US?" nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #55
Either Canada, the UK, or New Zealand. craigmatic Mar 2012 #57
I liked Victoria Canada when I visited. Cleita Mar 2012 #58
Europe or Ecuador (rated #1 best place to retire) ErikJ Mar 2012 #59
French Polynesia L0oniX Mar 2012 #60
The Netherlands cyglet Mar 2012 #61
Any northern country with an accessible health care system. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #63
Bermuda bermudat Mar 2012 #64
Not bitin'. I love living in the US of A. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #66
I'm not moving either, unless my son moves (maybe) steve2470 Mar 2012 #70
Definitely a tropical beach. limpyhobbler Mar 2012 #67
Katmandu guitar man Mar 2012 #68
Nelson pokerfan Mar 2012 #69
Finland Sisaruus Mar 2012 #71
South Carolina Bucky Mar 2012 #72
do they require a visa for entry ? steve2470 Mar 2012 #73
Well...I guess I would have to say Kiev, Ukraine... MattSh Mar 2012 #74
Amsterdam… In a heartbeat MrScorpio Mar 2012 #76
the moon.... belcffub Mar 2012 #77
I'd go to Canada, I have relatives there. nt sufrommich Mar 2012 #78
I have considered moving to west Texas does that count? NNN0LHI Mar 2012 #79
Italy, because it would be incredibly easy for me (Italian citizen) WilmywoodNCparalegal Mar 2012 #80
Canada, England or Italy. HappyMe Mar 2012 #81
Foggia, Italy. Jennicut Mar 2012 #82
Hawaii.... NYC_SKP Mar 2012 #85
canada, britian, somewhere in scandinavia.. because they're cool, among other, more dionysus Mar 2012 #86
Finland with Denmark a close second. Nt DevonRex Mar 2012 #88

HeiressofBickworth

(2,682 posts)
1. I've lived in Germany and Australia
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 05:20 AM
Mar 2012

but there have been so many changes I don't think I'd do either. If I had the money, I live on Malta. They speak English, close to the mainland of Europe, weather pretty nice all the time. Ain't cheap, however.

Response to HeiressofBickworth (Reply #1)

geckosfeet

(9,644 posts)
21. French Polynesian islands gets my vote too.
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 08:13 AM
Mar 2012

How expensive can it be to live off grid in a hut in the rain forest?

on edit - then again maybe Sicily, southern Italy or a Greek island.

Rochester

(838 posts)
4. Probably Canada or England, for their cool climate and they speak English.
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 05:35 AM
Mar 2012

Australia - too hot
New Zealand - earthquakes

Paka

(2,760 posts)
5. If I had no money issues, I would live in France.
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 05:46 AM
Mar 2012

But then I am a big Francophile.

With my limited budget I live in Thailand with affordable dental and health care with an amazing low cost of living for a very high quality of life.

JCMach1

(27,556 posts)
62. They are smaller mountains... similar to the Appalachians in some ways...
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 12:21 AM
Mar 2012

View from the castle in Vianden, LX



Twilight time in Vianden

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MADem

(135,425 posts)
7. Canada has Harper--he's the Bush of the North.
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 06:42 AM
Mar 2012

It's not the paradise some think it is, anymore. Nice people, though.

Bermuda? Bahamas? BVI? Or maybe somewhere on the edge...like the substantially depopulated island of Montserrat....I've always wanted to learn more about volcanoes...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montserrat

RFKHumphreyObama

(15,164 posts)
10. And judging by the polls, Australia will next year have Prime Minister Abbott
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 06:52 AM
Mar 2012

So right wing that he'll make Sarah Palin look like Paul Wellstone

Hopefully the Greens will still hold the balance of power in the Senate so they'll prevent him inflicting too much damage

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
11. Toulouse France
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 06:54 AM
Mar 2012

It is a completely schizophrenic place - a confused hybrid of Mediterranean France and suburban California but I am quite taken with it.

longship

(40,416 posts)
13. One of the Scandinavian countries
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 06:58 AM
Mar 2012

Finland is the most independent but maybe Sweden would be a more practical choice --- better climate, too.

On the other hand Australia has much to offer. It's a beautiful continent. Aussie's have a wonderful sense of humor. And there's always "footie" (Aussie rules football).

Note: English is spoken by a vast number of people in many countries. In countries in northern Europe many people are trilingual.

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
16. Japan
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 07:04 AM
Mar 2012

I have never been there but, on average, they seem to value social harmony to the same degree as myself. I realize exceptions occur there and all places have their issues but I just sense I would be more comfortable there than anywhere else.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
17. BERMUDA..zero illiteracy, zero poverty, and one guy unemployed and they all know who he is
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 07:30 AM
Mar 2012

at least when we visited several years ago.. heavenly beautiful place, where they still
serve high tea in the afternoon. And, only a couple hour flight from US

Oldfolkie

(51 posts)
18. Your finances and your age figure in,,,
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 07:54 AM
Mar 2012

Are you going to work or lie on the beach?
I lived in Japan seventeen years. Went there at age 52, Made good money teaching English, but it is a country for younger foreigners. And, the Japanese are difficult to befriend and don't care if you are there or not.
However, it is almost a cliche that it can be a candy store for young guys for a couple years. I had several fine girlfriends at my age and married one.
I am now 75 and living in the Philippines the last six years on a retiree visa. Suits me fine, as I have pensions and a little savings and the Phils are cheap.
My second choice was Greece. It might be worth investigating as economical due to its current financial situation.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
75. I'll agree that Japan is a country for younger foreigners
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 08:59 AM
Mar 2012

I'm surprised that you were able to meet someone at 52 or older, however, since by that age most foreign men have fallen off the radar.

a la izquierda

(11,791 posts)
19. Mexico...
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 08:05 AM
Mar 2012

it's my second home and where I research. My husband would give biking tours.

I'd also like to live anywhere in northern Europe. I've never been, but friends and family assure me I'd love it.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
84. love T Dot
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 10:35 AM
Mar 2012

Both of my daughters are dual citizens, and the youngest wants to move back to Toronto some day.

Vinca

(50,267 posts)
23. Lately I've been hooked on the House Hunters International shows and
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 08:25 AM
Mar 2012

the south of France looks really, really nice. Realistically, we're close to Canada, husband has dual citizenship, so we'd probably go somewhere in the Maritimes.

Luciferous

(6,078 posts)
28. Realistically, probably England. My husband has dual citizenship and has family there.
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 09:11 AM
Mar 2012

If money wasn't an issue, maybe Belize or New Zealand.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
29. Koh Samui, Thailand
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 09:22 AM
Mar 2012

Why? I have family there; cost of living is wicked cheap; have you seen the movie "The Beach," with Leo DiCaprio? It was filmed there...freakin' paradise. I've visited once, and have been wanting to go back ever since.

meow2u3

(24,761 posts)
35. If I didn't have money issues, I'd live in Portugal, despite their economic woes
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 11:50 AM
Mar 2012

I'm a big Lusophile.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
37. I'd go to Canada, too,
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 04:49 PM
Mar 2012

particularly western Canada which is most like Alaska. Actually, I'd be fine with the US selling Alaska to Canada. Please. With our resources, we should command a healthy selling price and help with the national deficit.

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
38. Japan
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 04:50 PM
Mar 2012

I speak the language, could find free-lance work there, and have lots of friends there, plus I've lived there before and know how things work.

The obstacle is the residency visa. You have to have a job offer, a lot of money upfront, Japanese ancestry, or a Japanese spouse. I qualify on none of these factors.

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
47. I think a lot of people here don't realize, like you do ........
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 09:52 PM
Mar 2012

....., that you can't just decide to move to and live in most countries just because you want to. You need a visa, or a job, or some other requirements. A lot of folks in the USA that have not traveled much abroad don't realize that there are restrictions in most countries.

I'm not even sure I could go back to Taiwan, where my wife is from.

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
39. Somewhere with a great veggie growing climate.
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 04:55 PM
Mar 2012

I'm basically happy where I am. Everywhere sucks at times to the people living there. We could just play musical chairs every ten years - pick a country and grab some wood. If you're left out, you're SOL - go to Antarctica. Nah, wouldn't be fair to the penguins.

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
40. While working: Australia
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 04:57 PM
Mar 2012

Singapore
Canada (Vancouver)
New Zealand
Germany


For retirement:
Belize
Thailand
Phillipines

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
41. New Zealand
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 05:01 PM
Mar 2012

It is beautiful, the people are mellow and easygoing, and it's about as far away as possible from the open-air lunatic asylum this country is becoming.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
44. Mediterranean Isle of Corfu
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 09:36 PM
Mar 2012

Spent one month there in 1971 when I was in the US Navy. I loved everything about that island, especially the people!

stuntcat

(12,022 posts)
45. Scotland
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 09:40 PM
Mar 2012

because it's incredibly beautiful (for now, I mean) and that's where some of my ancestors are from, also it's SO beautiful!!! Oh did I already say that?

pink-o

(4,056 posts)
46. I love the Med. LOVE it!!!
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 09:44 PM
Mar 2012

I've checked out Croatia (really on the Adriatic, but not a big dif) some of the Greek Islands, South of France, Malta, Spain....but NOTHING, seriously ****NOTHING**** beats Italy. Truly my favorite place on the globe. I'd choose to live on the coast outside of Rome, around the town of Fumicino or a little bit south (Sorrento's not exactly a hole, either!) Then there's Amalfi, or Santa Margherita up north, and there is no place on earth like Venice.

I do know the country is a hot mess, the corruption from the top makes us look like petty larceners. But none of that puts a single dent in my love for that big ole boot in that beautiful, historic sea.

Aw, crap. Now I wanna go immediately!

Mister Ed

(5,928 posts)
53. I'm surprised no one's yet said Switzerland
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 10:54 PM
Mar 2012

I've never seen anyplace more beautiful than the Bernese Oberland. Even the cows are pretty! And I've still never figured out where they hide their trash.

 

craigmatic

(4,510 posts)
57. Either Canada, the UK, or New Zealand.
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 11:16 PM
Mar 2012

Health care systems would be the main reason along with their more leftist politics.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
58. I liked Victoria Canada when I visited.
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 11:17 PM
Mar 2012

It might be a bit pricey, but I liked the shopping and restaurants and Vancouver is a ferry ride away, or you could slip back into the USA to Seattle now and then for whatever you feel you need from the USA.

However, I think, in spite of all its problems, the Greek islands call to me as well.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
59. Europe or Ecuador (rated #1 best place to retire)
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 11:32 PM
Mar 2012

Coincidentally this is is the headline story today on Intl Living homepage.

Enjoy a Comfortable Quality of Life in Europe

http://internationalliving.com/2012/03/enjoy-a-comfortable-quality-of-life-in-europe/

And IL rates Ecuador the best place to retire in the world. It has everything plus very cheap living. $600 a month is good enough for comfortable living.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
66. Not bitin'. I love living in the US of A.
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 02:35 AM
Mar 2012

I've been up, I've been down, I've been all around.

Yeah, I'm nobody, and I came from nowhere.

I have toys, a view out my window, a job I love, and the right to speak my mind about the President of my country as long as it's complimentary.

Gotta love that.

Sisaruus

(718 posts)
71. Finland
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 07:40 AM
Mar 2012

Best place to live as per Newsweek. Plus I'm an introvert and it is a nation of introverts so I'll fit right in. And since all 4 grandparents were Finnish immigrants, I have lots of family there.

MattSh

(3,714 posts)
74. Well...I guess I would have to say Kiev, Ukraine...
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 08:25 AM
Mar 2012

Since I've been here over six years now.

Way affordable compared to NJ, but only if you have some savings when you arrive. Otherwise, you'll need to make it on local wages.

belcffub

(595 posts)
77. the moon....
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 09:56 AM
Mar 2012

still waiting for those moon colonies they promised us... oh yeah... and my flying jetsons car...

NNN0LHI

(67,190 posts)
79. I have considered moving to west Texas does that count?
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 10:10 AM
Mar 2012

People who travel a lot and I trust have told me this is one of the most beautiful places to live on earth.

Don

WilmywoodNCparalegal

(2,654 posts)
80. Italy, because it would be incredibly easy for me (Italian citizen)
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 10:14 AM
Mar 2012

and my pets and husband. He could even find work in his specialized field. I asked him many times to work with headhunters to find a position in Italy... anywhere in Italy is fine, though I'm from a north-central city that is very liberal and cosmopolitan (but with a super high cost of living).

If money were no object, Tahiti, Moorea or Bora Bora would do... I wonder how easy it would be to live there as a EU passport holder??? (anyone know?)

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
81. Canada, England or Italy.
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 10:23 AM
Mar 2012

Canada because they have cool cities and outrageously beautiful scenery when you want to get out of town. England or Italy because of the museums, and you can get to damn near anywhere else in Europe by train.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
82. Foggia, Italy.
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 10:33 AM
Mar 2012

My mother's entire family on her father's side is from there. Aunts, uncles, parents, grandparents. The Italian influence was huge on me growing up. Most of my Mom's cousins and other relatives ended up in Long Island (after her Grandparents came trough to Ellis Island). But my Mom's father moved to Connecticut and we have been here since. The customs, the food, the culture was just really a big part of my childhood. At Christmas we always had lasagna with Italian cordials. We learned Italian words. My Mom says she would love to make a trip there someday. I guess if I was forced to move I would love to see where my Great aunts and uncles and great Grandparents came from.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
86. canada, britian, somewhere in scandinavia.. because they're cool, among other, more
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 10:37 AM
Mar 2012

important reasons...

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