Sun Oct 13, 2013, 04:26 PM

pitbullgirl1965 (564 posts)

Misogyny in Liberal/Progressive Circles

Who are the experts when it comes to climate change and evolution? Who do you trust and believe?

1.Climate change deniers vs. NASA
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/56599.html vs.

http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus

2.Creationists vs. 72 Noble Prize recipients

http://www.creationevidence.org/ Vs

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/edwards-v-aguillard/amicus1.html

Ok, now who do you believe are the experts on misogyny and sexism?

3. Women because we're women and we live with it. vs. Men

Unless you're a male to female transgender person, or gone "undercover" as a female, it's can be very hard to relate to or understand.

So I was reading this diary on the Daily Kos one day. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/17/1216821/-Solving-Rape-A-Very-Short-Statement-For-Those-Who-Just-Don-t-Get-It

And this comment was made.

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1216821/50467352#c174

And it blew my mind, because the guy got it. I never even thought of it in those terms.

Part of being progressive is wanting justice for all no? And being willing to listen and keep an open mind. Otherwise you're not any different from the right wing.

(BTW this applies to anyone, including white feminists who "Whitesplain" to people of color about racism and white privilege. I have seen some nasty comments from feminists about race, and this includes the feminists who think they're so ~edgy~ with their hipster racism. Changing the Kyriarchy benefits everyone, not just a select few. )

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6 replies	Author	Time	Post
Misogyny in Liberal/Progressive Circles (Original post)	pitbullgirl1965	Oct 2013	OP
However, you seem to believe	Pab Sungenis	Oct 2013	#1
I'm not sure what you're saying?	pitbullgirl1965	Oct 2013	#3
Your own words.	Pab Sungenis	Oct 2013	#5
Ok	pitbullgirl1965	Oct 2013	#6
I agree	ZombieHorde	Oct 2013	#2
Hmmm	pitbullgirl1965	Oct 2013	#4

Response to pitbullgirl1965 (Original post)

Sun Oct 13, 2013, 05:55 PM

Pab Sungenis (9,612 posts)

1. However, you seem to believe

that men are somehow less qualified to judge men and their opinions and thought processes than women?

So women are more qualified to speak about women, but men are LESS qualified to speak about men than women are?

90% of what you consider "misogyny" is nothing more than backlash against your own misandry.

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Response to Pab Sungenis (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 13, 2013, 06:53 PM

pitbullgirl1965 (564 posts)

3. I'm not sure what you're saying?

So women are more qualified to speak about women, but men are LESS qualified to speak about men than women are?

I don't know where you got that from, but it's not what I'm saying. I'm not of the school of feminism that thinks women are the kinder, more nurturing sex. I hate that POV. It's bullshit.

What I'm trying to say is: many times I've observed when women explain to men how being cat called at, or told to smile, or grabbed, it's usually waved way with "But it's just a complement! I would love it if women did that to me!" "He was just trying to be nice."

In other words, we're told it can't be as bad as we make it out to be, and we can't possibly know what we're talking about.

I am saying how someone's real life experiences effects them, should be given more weight, then someone who has just read about it, and has no idea what it's like.

90% of what you consider "misogyny" is nothing more than backlash against your own misandry.

And here we go. I'm the man hating feminazi is what you're saying right? *sigh*

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Response to pitbullgirl1965 (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 10:01 AM

Pab Sungenis (9,612 posts)

5. Your own words.

Ok, now who do you believe are the experts on misogyny and sexism?

3. Women because we're women and we live with it. vs. Men

Men are also victims of sexism, as seen here in your own lumping of all men together. You presume that you know more about men than men do.

Pure misandry.

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Response to Pab Sungenis (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 05:42 PM

pitbullgirl1965 (564 posts)

6. Ok

The broad brush isn't helpful. Basically if I tell you that being cat called at is not a complement, and you hand wave it off, or tell me I'm wrong, who's right? It's not just me either.
My lumping all men together is not misandry. I don't claim to know about men, but my survival/success whatever you call it depends on knowing how men think about me for example.

Did you even read the daily kos link posted?

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Response to pitbullgirl1965 (Original post)

Sun Oct 13, 2013, 06:10 PM

ZombieHorde (29,047 posts)

2. I agree

with the article, but I also think Pab Sungenis makes a good point, although more in a more belligerent manner. Women are experts on women's experiences and men are experts on men's experiences. Unfortunately for people interested in sociology --which is what this is about-- individual's experiences are very different. Women and men have very strong disagreements on these experiences, and our own experiences create biases that compel us to say those with similar experiences are right and those with different experiences don't know what they are talking about.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 13, 2013, 07:16 PM

pitbullgirl1965 (564 posts)

4. Hmmm

I think I know what you're saying. And my clumping women into one big group isn't helpful, or right.

our own experiences create biases that compel us to say those with similar experiences are right and those with different experiences don't know what they are talking about.

True, very true. Gah, I'm bad at explaining things but I'll try: If person A tells me their being followed around the store and treated suspiciously because of their color, I don't sit there and try to explain why they're wrong:
Maybe you're just paranoid?
They're just doing their job!
Maybe you were acting suspiciously?

I believe them. This is so common for POC, hell I've seen it in action myself. And I've seen many many usually white people disbelieving them. Why? Because it hasn't happened to them/and or we've absorbed the message that white people Are the Authorities.

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