Anyone else here thinking Chris Hayes should take over Joe Scarborough's job?

[Gruntled Old Man]

I actually like the roundtable format, but Scarborough is an asshole who ought to be on Fuck's News (maybe co-hosting a show with Buchanan called Loudmouth & Loony), and I'm sick and tired of Mika's "complain about but ultimately submit to your jerk of a boyfriend" routine.

But maybe I'm just getting senile.

[Lil Missy]

1. Yeah baby!

[sandyshoes17]

2. Sounds great!

But how would they feed us our morning propaganda?

[CTyankee]

3. Yes, I do! Watching Hayes today and yesterday is like a refrehing drink of water after being on

an MSNBC desert all week...

MJ has the same old retreads saying the same things over and over again. Hayes has new voices, deeper ideas, more to think about, provocative, and with LOTS of women!

I wish we had Hayes on every morning of the work week instead. He and MHP are the best political shows on TV that we have, with the exception of Rachel Maddow.

[underpants]

4. Stepanie Miller should have gotten the job but then we might leave home without our talking points

As much as MSNBC likes us to think that it is the liberal/middle network Joe's role is to echo the same RW nonsense that Fox, CNN Morning, The Today Show, GMA, etc. want us to leave the house with each day. Imagine if "watercooler talk" wasn't framed completely by one side - oh no there would be no way to supplant lies into our brains.

[Mira]

5. You are not senile, you are right n/t

[northoftheborder]

6. Melissa Harris-Perry is a big hit with me, but I want her to shine in her Sat. spot.

Hayes is superlative, but it might not be possible to prepare that much (3 hrs.) of quality show every day. It must take a lot of organization to get three hours a week at that level. That's why morning TV is so shallow on all channels; they could improve of course with the right focus and goal.

[CTyankee]

7. CH and MHP are fresh, new and have lots of energy. This may spur the old retreads to think

anew. At least I hope so. That's the good thing about honest competition...

[BumRushDaShow]

8. They'll never do it

They always have to show some sort of nonsensical "balance" that no one else really does. So just like Fux Snooze trumpets a "librul" Juan Williams or Alan Colmes, so too will M$NBC need some sort of kook rethug on some slot. If not Scarborough, it'll be someone like him - basically to continue to allow Mika to be the Bozo-the-Clown punching bag that silently pops back up after a hit only to get punched again.

I can see them putting one of their silly rethug "political analysts" in there like Steve Schmidt. He's young and quick with the retorts.

[Iggo]

9. The janitor should take over JoeScar's job.

Anybody, really.

And now.

[Ship of Fools]

26. One problem: There's an ad clip of Bill Clinton

suggesting that his show is quality programming ...

[Iggo]

27. Bill's never exercised bad judgement before.

[Ship of Fools]

29. Heh heh ... I've never been in love with the guy, btw...

[Gruntled Old Man]

10. Now Peggy Noonan IS Senile!

Just watching the poor thing on This Week.

[Honeycombe8]

11. No. I don't like Scarborough, but Hayes isn't a substitute.

Maybe in 10 years or so. But he's not experienced enough yet. If any young second banana would take over, it'd be Willy, who also isn't experienced enough yet and doesn't have the gravitas that Scarborough seems to have to draw millions of viewers.

[Gruntled Old Man]

12. We're not talking about the Presidency

We're talking about a TV program on a network that purports to be representative of progressive ideas and viewpoints, yet employs a Republican idiot from 6-9 AM five days a week.

[Honeycombe8]

13. Right. We're talking about the ability to draw millions of viewers, which Scarborough seems

to have. It's the highest rated morning program. It's a fact that Scarborough has the gravitas and skills to do what most cannot do. He was a Congressman or Senator, then became a pundit and paid consultant for years. He has a lot of connections in the political and broadcast world, in addition to decades of experience dealing with politics and national media.

He can go one on one with a Bill Clinton or John Boehner, and command respect because of his knowledge base and gravitas. Hayes, with his youth and high pitched voice and dearth of experience compared with the pros he'd be interviewing, isn't there yet. That comes with age and experience, I think.

MSNBC does not purport to be a progressive network. It is, I think, proud of the fact that it turns the network over for several hours every morning to a Republican-hosted show that is the top rated show in the country in the morning, even though it has many left-leaning opinion programs later in the day.

Its motto is "lean forward," not "lean left."

Scarborough's not going anywhere. He's making MSNBC tons of money. Everyone who's anyone wants to get on Morning Joe. Notice how much vacation he takes. He's the one calling the shots, not MSNBC. MSNBC knows a golden goose when it sees one. They are rare.

None of this is meant to say that I like Scarborough. I don't. Some shows, he has on a list of Republicans with maybe a token Democrat or two. And he states just outright lies sometimes that no one challenges. I change the channel at that point. But as long as he doesn't piss off the MSNBC brass, he's there to stay until he's ready to go.

[ClassWarrior]

14. And when he started the show what was he?

A Florida back-bencher who was best known for a dead intern in his Congressional office.



Seems to me Hayes has more gravitas. And an existing national audience in The Nation -- not to mention his appearances on Countdown, Maddow and more.

NGU.

[Honeycombe8]

16. Scarborough was a middle aged person with decades of experience...

in both the political and national media world, as well as someone having a lot of connections in both worlds. He had a pleasant speaking voice and an ability to command respect when interviewing, speaking with, or speaking about some of the most important people in the country.

He had been on national TV for years before taking on Morning Joe.

I like Hayes, but he's a little young and inexperienced to carry a weekday morning program that would be rated #1, like Morning Joe is. But he's learning, which is why he has a weekend show. Willy is a little young and inexperienced, too, and lacking gravitas, and he has more experience and age than Hayes does.

It helps to have actually been in politics, which neither Hayes nor Willy have in their background. When Scarborough is speaking to Boehner, for example, he actually knows Boehner personally. That helps.

For some reason the show works. He's not going anywhere until he says so or until he ticks off the suits at MSNBC.

Meanwhile, back on CNN, CNN struggles to find some morning show mediator to compete with MSNBC and Fox, which it hasn't been able to do.

[Gruntled Old Man]

17. Are you Scarborough's mother?

Your profile doesn't indicate genderr, and you seem to be auditioning for the role of his next agent.

[Honeycombe8]

19. Would a man call himself "honeycombe"? As I said, I don't like Scarborough.

But not liking him has nothing to do with recognizing why he has the #1 morning show in the country. That's a very hard thing to pull off. He apparently has what it takes. You can recognize talent, even when you don't particularly like that genre or that person, can't you?

Hayes is an educated, smart man, but it doesn't take a genius to recognize that a young fella (age about 30 or so, I'm guessing?) is not going to take over a national morning show and make it #1. He just doesn't have the experience chops yet. Or the connections. Neither does Willy, who has more experience and is older than Hayes.

People confuse their liking someone with the ability of that person to do certain things. Liking someone has nothing to do with it.

If I had to guess who would take over for Joe, I would guess, first, Chuck Todd (more experience, about 40 years old now, he's building up connections and has a good reputation, looks like, among those in power, plus he has his own successful weekday morning show following Morning Joe), and then Willie Geist (also has his own successful weekday morning show before Morning Joe, is pushing 40 years old, has some experience in the national media now). Then there's Hayes (closer to 30 than 40, has a weekend morning show, has less than 10 years experience in that national media).

[Gruntled Old Man]

20. Bullshit! You've got it BAD!

[ClassWarrior]

22. ROFL...

NGU.

[morningglory]

23. Joe had a night show: "S. Country" which was horrible because he is unable to run a show alone,

if, by running a show, I mean being able to say "stay tuned for more loony Republics...now a message from wrinkle cream... In the news, cat stuck in a tree...etc...". Notice when Mika is not there, he stays home, or Willy sits beside him and runs the show. When he starts on one of his bullying rants, the other pundits sit like baboons with bored, pained expressions on their faces. Willy is green behind the ears, moreover, when someone else is talking he assumes the blank expression known as "tv feeb" in our house, for children who are raised sitting in front of a tv with a bowl of cheerios in their laps, void of expression.

[CTyankee]

24. iow, they guy is "entrenched" in the system.

But here's the thing: he repeats himself over and over again with his "when I was in Congress..." shtick, he comes across as a loudmouth jerk, and he has all these old guys who haven't come up with any new ideas about anything for the past year or so. I think MJ is stuck in their routine and by their own limitations. Can you honestly look at the subject, then look at their guests and NOT figure out pretty much what is going to come out of their mouths?

The truth is that competition exists on his own network with Chris Hayes and Melissa Harris-Perry. They aren't taking any vacations. They're young and they have LOTS of ambition. Joe would do well to worry about them overtaking him. Joe's show is showing the wear and tear. Without the new energy and ideas Joe is bound to fail. It is just a matter of time and it is just a matter of who is going to outlast who.

[NNN0LHI]

15. Joe and Mika both should go

Chris Hayes would be fine.

Don

[Honeycombe8]

18. I liked Mika at first. Then she got a boob job and became a movie star.

She quit expressing her opinions as much, and she became all about the outfits, her figure, her hair, her abdomen, etc. Those things are great, I guess, but that's not what I want her purpose to be there. Her purpose is to be a second in command mediator who expresses the more liberal viewpoint, as well as a female viewpoint.

Now she usu. just gives the segway to another segment, and the occasional "well, I disagree with that" statement.

[Gruntled Old Man]

30. Okay, that just SCREAMS "Jealousy!"

Honest to gods, I'm not trying to beat up on you. But, with every post, you betray more and more of what I am now seriously suspecting to be your true motivation.

[Honeycombe8]

31. Stop the personal attacks, please. I'm close to doing an alert for 1st time in 10 years.

What is your problem? Stick to the subject and lay off the personal attacks and ascribing some sort of ulterior motives to my opinions, in an attempt to degrade the validity of my observations and opinion.

Move on, old man. In all the years I've been posting at DU, I've only alerted once, but I'm getting close to alerting you, if you continue to personally attack me.

Learn to understand that different people have different opinions of things. Chill. Don't take it so personally. That's what this forum is about....discussing things and differing opinions and information.

Esp. please stop the misogynistic comments. That I noted that Mika "went Hollywood" with her boob job and appearance changes does not smack of jealousy at all. That is a typical male statement. It's been an ongoing discussion AMONG WOMEN for decades...the way that females on news programs and such are all dolled up, etc., and even fired when they reach a certain age. Think Jane Pauley.

[Stinky The Clown]

21. Mika is awful, dreadful, a horrible representation of a strong woman.

[hwmnbn]

25. Start tomorrow!!

[MerryBlooms]

28. I'd like to see Thom Hartmann in that seat.

I think Hartmann would be a great co-host. He's very respectful to all, but definitely will call 'bs' when it's bs. Scarborough's ego shadows the entire show and makes it pretty much unwatchable. The show's not half bad when he's absent.

[ellisonz]

32. Two-words: Barney Frank