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silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 02:22 AM Oct 2013

Is it too soon to start lamenting the NSA Security State again? Or is that over now that we have

other faux crises on the tee vee? Just kinda wondering...I know we are all giddy at the prospects heading into 2014, so this topic is kind of the albatross of the decade that the PTB would rather we all forgot about whilst electioneering is underway...

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Is it too soon to start lamenting the NSA Security State again? Or is that over now that we have (Original Post) silvershadow Oct 2013 OP
I'm not forgetting about it. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #1
;) nt silvershadow Oct 2013 #2
Me too. nt bananas Oct 2013 #5
I have not forgotten. nt Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #3
place your bets on the Snowden death pool reddread Oct 2013 #4
I don't think Fast Eddie will be "disappearing" anytime soon..... AverageJoe90 Oct 2013 #10
faux crises? Egnever Oct 2013 #6
Well, at least from the standpoint that all Boehner has to do is call for a vote on a clean CR. nt silvershadow Oct 2013 #9
I'm still firmly opposed to it quinnox Oct 2013 #7
The NSA surveillance is as big a problem as ever. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #8
Children failing to get nutrition assistance (a.k.a food) is a "faux" crisis... ConservativeDemocrat Oct 2013 #11
No, the faux part is the Republicans pinning it on us. But, thanks for being one of the knee-jerk silvershadow Oct 2013 #12
I doubt he is anything quite so interesting, simply a Conservative as advertised Dragonfli Oct 2013 #15
I really think our only hope for weeding out those types is 2020. We *have to get control for the silvershadow Oct 2013 #18
I thought reality was a requirement to be a member of the Reality Based Community? RC Oct 2013 #14
They create their own reality you see, but feel free to discuss that reality judiciously as you will Dragonfli Oct 2013 #17
I think the Democratic Party actually occupies arely staircase Oct 2013 #30
Hanging out at DU must drive you crazy with all the "loony" libs and quinnox Oct 2013 #16
I cannot see through that one either, quinnox Skittles Oct 2013 #24
It's simple. This is the DU. Not the Wingnut-U. ConservativeDemocrat Oct 2013 #28
LOLOLOL Skittles Oct 2013 #29
The behavior you just demonstrated... ConservativeDemocrat Oct 2013 #31
LOLOL Skittles Oct 2013 #32
Meh. 2 of 10. ConservativeDemocrat Oct 2013 #33
soy latte? Skittles Oct 2013 #23
I'm NEVER going to forget about this! Lonr Oct 2013 #13
It's not over, but... MirrorAshes Oct 2013 #19
Yeah, I suppose. I'm just anxious I guess. I see the Republicans cracking at any time, so I don't silvershadow Oct 2013 #21
Can people go for a week without bashing Obama? Democat Oct 2013 #20
Yep. Not bashing. Just anxious to get back to work. I will wait until this Republican dog and silvershadow Oct 2013 #22
Well, you see, the NSA is blackmailing everyone so... randome Oct 2013 #25
Well they need to clean out my spam for me then. nt silvershadow Oct 2013 #26
What's stopping you? Shivering Jemmy Oct 2013 #27
 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
4. place your bets on the Snowden death pool
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 02:34 AM
Oct 2013

choose a year, month and week, suicide, plane crash, drone strike or falling piano.
followed by a creative writing contest for supporters of targeted killings.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
10. I don't think Fast Eddie will be "disappearing" anytime soon.....
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 03:40 AM
Oct 2013

.....unless, somehow, he outlives his usefulness to TPTB.....whenever that may be.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
9. Well, at least from the standpoint that all Boehner has to do is call for a vote on a clean CR. nt
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 03:34 AM
Oct 2013
 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
7. I'm still firmly opposed to it
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 03:13 AM
Oct 2013

I read a news article saying several senators are going to introduce bills to beef up privacy protections and put a leash on the NSA, so there has been positive developments.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
11. Children failing to get nutrition assistance (a.k.a food) is a "faux" crisis...
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 03:40 AM
Oct 2013

...but the fantasy that someone might actually be so interested in the inane scribblings you wrote while sipping your $5 dollar soy-latte (comparing U.S. Signal Intelligence to the holocaust) that they'd actually look at it without your permission is a "real" one.

Gotcha.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

/ Ah, D.U. You'll never change.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
12. No, the faux part is the Republicans pinning it on us. But, thanks for being one of the knee-jerk
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 04:03 AM
Oct 2013

reactionary community. Gotcha. (You must be part of the "clean-up" crew, that goes around deflecting on internet boards).

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
15. I doubt he is anything quite so interesting, simply a Conservative as advertised
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 04:34 AM
Oct 2013

That is the problem with conservatives in the party, they bring in all that Reagan and police state baggage with them and claim since it came in the party with THEM it is a valid view all of a sudden of the party.

Whose to say they're wrong? If we applaud the entrance of the Liebermans and Reaganites into the party, are they then not valid members with their views added to the party with them?



What will be really interesting is when we start inviting the Birchers as well and have to adopt their ideas as valid to go along with the trickle down economics and police state authoritarian worship, can't wait for them to join the ranks of the Reaganites in our party and add even more of these "good" right wing ideals.

I personally think we should have kept the party liberal and sewn shut the giant gaping hole in the tent that let these ideals replace our own, but I was not consulted when the Kochs helped form the DLC and PPI think tank to engineer our new improved ideology and so was told along with everybody else, "accept it 'cause what other party are you going to vote for".

Is it too late for a needle and thread now? Probably.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
18. I really think our only hope for weeding out those types is 2020. We *have to get control for the
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 04:42 AM
Oct 2013

re-districting at that time. By then, maybe demographics shifts may be in our favor as well. Of course, a lot depends on how successful the fascists are at doing more damage in Michigan and Wisconsin, etc. Once they split up the unions and drove the Democrats out of the midwest, they have virtually grabbed control. Of course, then they stand around and say "where are the jobs?". We are so truly messed up right now that I doubt we will ever again be what I knew us as, not in my lifetime.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
14. I thought reality was a requirement to be a member of the Reality Based Community?
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 04:31 AM
Oct 2013

Guess not. No more than being some kind of Progressive or Liberal being a requirement for being a member of DU.


Which side of the tipping point are you on?

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
17. They create their own reality you see, but feel free to discuss that reality judiciously as you will
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 04:42 AM
Oct 2013

It's OK, they expect that.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
30. I think the Democratic Party actually occupies
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 04:58 PM
Oct 2013

the center-center left space. Because of our campaign funding system corporations have too much influence in the Party but the fact we want health care for all, want everyone to easily vote, prefer higher taxes on the wealthy to pay for more services for the poor and working class, want equal rights for the LGBT community puts us in the center - center/left position.

opinions can differ.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
16. Hanging out at DU must drive you crazy with all the "loony" libs and
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 04:35 AM
Oct 2013

moonbat progressives. Why even bother, your profound "conservative Democrat" wisdom won't penetrate. Of course, you can always write some rants about those silly liberals and get a lot of attention that way I suppose.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
28. It's simple. This is the DU. Not the Wingnut-U.
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 11:46 AM
Oct 2013

People are welcome to state that they dislike the U.S. having an intelligence service (though George Washington spent more than twice the percentage of his Federal budget on intelligence than we do today). But when they start throwing around the terms "Fascist" and claiming that well balanced programs supported by most Democratic electeds and overseen by the courts - are somehow much worse than "Faux" crises of children going physically hungry every night, then the Democrats who represent the non-wingnut side of the Democratic party feel obligated to step in.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
31. The behavior you just demonstrated...
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 05:32 PM
Oct 2013

Is #12 on this list.

Please try to start using reason and logic. It's one of the chief differentiators between Democrats and Republicans. (The other is that we're not run by our wingnuts, while they clearly are.)

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

MirrorAshes

(1,262 posts)
19. It's not over, but...
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 05:17 AM
Oct 2013

We do kind of have other pressing matters to deal with. Lets get the government operational again and then continue the push for NSA reform.

Unless you just want the shutdown/debt ceiling/whatever the next repuke-manufactured crisis is to bring the whole freaking country down I suppose.

First you amputate the gangrenous limb, THEN you treat the long term cancer-- no?

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
21. Yeah, I suppose. I'm just anxious I guess. I see the Republicans cracking at any time, so I don't
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 05:29 AM
Oct 2013

want to miss the chance to get back to work.

Democat

(11,617 posts)
20. Can people go for a week without bashing Obama?
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 05:17 AM
Oct 2013

How about focusing on what Republicans are doing wrong for a few days?

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
22. Yep. Not bashing. Just anxious to get back to work. I will wait until this Republican dog and
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 05:31 AM
Oct 2013

pony show wraps up. I hear the calliopes winding down in the distance...

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
25. Well, you see, the NSA is blackmailing everyone so...
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 08:09 AM
Oct 2013

...they're a little busy ensuring that the world economy crashes. Don't worry. They'll be back to reading your emails at the earliest opportunity.

Meanwhile, back in the real world...
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