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"We have elected an ungovernable collection of snake-handlers, Bible-bangers, ignorami, bagmen ..."

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/Shutdown_Blues

THE REIGN OF MORONS IS HERE
By Charles P. Pierce at 9:10am


In the year of our Lord 2010, the voters of the United States elected the worst Congress in the history of the Republic. There have been Congresses more dilatory. There have been Congresses more irresponsible, though not many of them. There have been lazier Congresses, more vicious Congresses, and Congresses less capable of seeing forests for trees. But there has never been in a single Congress -- or, more precisely, in a single House of the Congress -- a more lethal combination of political ambition, political stupidity, and political vainglory than exists in this one, which has arranged to shut down the federal government because it disapproves of a law passed by a previous Congress, signed by the president, and upheld by the Supreme Court, a law that does nothing more than extend the possibility of health insurance to the millions of Americans who do not presently have it, a law based on a proposal from a conservative think-tank and taken out on the test track in Massachusetts by a Republican governor who also happens to have been the party's 2012 nominee for president of the United States. That is why the government of the United States is, in large measure, closed this morning.

We have elected the people sitting on hold, waiting for their moment on an evening drive-time radio talk show. We have elected an ungovernable collection of snake-handlers, Bible-bangers, ignorami, bagmen and outright frauds, a collection so ungovernable that it insists the nation be ungovernable, too. We have elected people to govern us who do not believe in government.

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We have elected a national legislature in which Louie Gohmert and Michele Bachmann have more power than does the Speaker of the House of Representatives, who has been made a piteous spectacle in the eyes of the country and doesn't seem to mind that at all. We have elected a national legislature in which the true power resides in a cabal of vandals, a nihilistic brigade that believes that its opposition to a bill directing millions of new customers to the nation's insurance companies is the equivalent of standing up the the Nazis in 1938, to the bravery of the passengers on Flight 93 on September 11, 2001, and to Mel Gibson's account of the Scottish Wars of Independence in the 13th Century. We have elected a national legislature that looks into the mirror and sees itself already cast in marble.

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This is what they came to Washington to do -- to break the government of the United States. It doesn't matter any more whether they're doing it out of pure crackpot ideology, or at the behest of the various sugar daddies that back their campaigns, or at the instigation of their party's mouthbreathing base. It may be any one of those reasons. It may be all of them. The government of the United States, in the first three words of its founding charter, belongs to all of us, and these people have broken it deliberately. The true hell of it, though, is that you could see this coming down through the years, all the way from Ronald Reagan's First Inaugural Address in which government "was" the problem, through Bill Clinton's ameliorative nonsense about the era of big government being "over," through the attempts to make a charlatan like Newt Gingrich into a scholar and an ambitious hack like Paul Ryan into a budget genius, and through all the endless attempts to find "common ground" and a "Third Way." Ultimately, as we all wrapped ourselves in good intentions, a prion disease was eating away at the country's higher functions. One of the ways you can acquire a prion disease is to eat right out of its skull the brains of an infected monkey. We are now seeing the country reeling and jabbering from the effects of the prion disease, but it was during the time of Reagan that the country ate the monkey brains.


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Reply "We have elected an ungovernable collection of snake-handlers, Bible-bangers, ignorami, bagmen ..." (Original post)
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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 05:19 PM

1. Freaking perfect

Rec

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Response to malaise (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 12:12 AM

49. elected...

 

we have elected a carbuncle on the butt of our country , a bunch of domestic terrorists , and they should be treated as such !

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 05:20 PM

2. Love the title!

Bookmarking to read later...looks like a good one! Thanks, Scuba!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 05:21 PM

3. Very well stated!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 05:23 PM

4. Amen...knr

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 05:25 PM

5. Not one wasted word

Spot on if ever there was something written that explains where we are and why we're where we are.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 05:27 PM

6. Well said, well said!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 05:53 PM

7. Applause!!!!!

WOW....beautiful and on the money. Totally awesome!!

We have elected an ungovernable collection of snake-handlers, Bible-bangers, ignorami, bagmen and outright frauds, a collection so ungovernable that it insists the nation be ungovernable, too. We have elected people to govern us who do not believe in government.


They are terrorists and thugs....fascists with their bibles and flags.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 06:33 PM

8. Delicious word choices and colorful phrases!!! Excellent essay.

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Response to northoftheborder (Reply #8)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 07:13 PM

18. Charlie Pierce is a master of the art form.

He's one of my faves.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 06:44 PM

9. The GOP is the Jerry Springer Show on steroids

They even had the CEO of WWE Wrestling as a Senate candidate, not once but twice.

they are a dysfunctional freakshow and proud of it

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Response to Snake Plissken (Reply #9)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 08:31 AM

66. Yes, and she spent $100 million of her own money

and lost by over 10% each time.

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Response to Snake Plissken (Reply #9)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 10:34 AM

72. On the other hand, Jesse Ventura: a genious in comparison.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 06:47 PM

10. Greatest rant in awhile. A hearty kick and rec. n/t

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 06:48 PM

11. Charlie P never disappoints....

He cuts through the crap to the bone. These idiots were not sent to DC to govern; they were sent to stick a large stick in the wheel of government and stop it completely. That's what they have been paid to do. They do not fear us, or the administration, or anything except their money masters. They are traitors and in any other country, they would have already been dealt with, and not in a happy way.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 06:52 PM

12. Monkey Brain Smack

Ultimately, as we all wrapped ourselves in good intentions, a prion disease was eating away at the country's higher functions. One of the ways you can acquire a prion disease is to eat right out of its skull the brains of an infected monkey. We are now seeing the country reeling and jabbering from the effects of the prion disease, but it was during the time of Reagan that the country ate the monkey brains.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 06:52 PM

13. That is one seriously righteous rant. nt

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 07:00 PM

14. Indeed! K&R n/t

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 07:06 PM

15. We the people...

They went to Washington to break the American people. Our government is "the people". It governs by OUR consent. They have gone to subvert and destroy this process. These people are our enemies.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #15)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 02:12 PM

83. I agree. . .

These people are our ENEMIES. I consider what is happening to be an attempted coup by a small number of beyond wealthy human beings, the multinationals, and other companies to turn us into a fascist state.

I consider this shutdown and the threat of default to be sedition and treason against all of us.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 07:09 PM

16. and one more thing

All of this with malicious intend.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 07:10 PM

17. HEAR! HEAR!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 07:19 PM

19. Well said

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 07:20 PM

20. Can we barricade the roads to the districts of all these evil clowns?

Feed and shelter the refugees until the snake-handlers, Bible-bangers, ignorami, bagmen, etc., all starve to death or eat one another, last one standing succumbs to the brain rot.

It's metaphor of course, but one can dream...


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Response to hunter (Reply #20)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 01:10 PM

79. Hm. Let's work on this. There might be something we can use to isolate those raging ignoramuses.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 07:34 PM

21. All the Tea Party is, is the Christian Right rebranded as a faux patriotic movement.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 07:37 PM

22. A---Fucking---MEN!!! THANK YOU, Charles P. Pierce!!! You NAILED it PERFECTLY!! K&R +1000! n/t

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 07:38 PM

23. And their heads are firmly placed in the inside of their asses.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 07:42 PM

24. Charlie Pierce always tells it

LOVED reading Idiot America and bet he writes another one soon.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 07:44 PM

25. Newbie... and wondering -

I have been following you all for YEARS, and finally just now joined. I have wondered why nobody has pointed out the the "Just listening to "The American People" is negated when 91% of "The American People" want universal background checks??

What a great site - and what a group of amazing people - You listening Salmon????
S

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Response to New Orleans Strong (Reply #25)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 08:02 PM

30. Welcome to DU!

Looking forward to another voice of reason.

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Response to New Orleans Strong (Reply #25)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 08:02 PM

31. Excellent point. You have such pearls to offer, you should post more often!!!

 

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Response to New Orleans Strong (Reply #25)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 08:09 PM

34. Salmon ? nt

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #34)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 08:35 PM

40. SalmonChantedEvening, I'd guess.

 

For his lolcats Sundays.

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Response to bunnies (Reply #40)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 08:36 PM

41. ok that makes sense now that I reread it nt

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Response to New Orleans Strong (Reply #25)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 08:12 PM

35. welcome to DU hope you have fun learning from us and teaching us!!!

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Response to New Orleans Strong (Reply #25)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 08:13 PM

36. Welcome!

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Response to New Orleans Strong (Reply #25)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 08:16 PM

37. Welcome Comrade! n/t

 

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Response to New Orleans Strong (Reply #25)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 09:23 PM

44. Been saying that for a while now. They never care about the American people

and the polls when they are almost always against them.

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Response to New Orleans Strong (Reply #25)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 09:34 PM

46. Welcome to DU, New Orleans Strong!

Glad you're here! Glad you found your way to an oasis in the desert. This place kept a lot of us sane during the miserable bush/cheney years. At least we had each other for company and for solace, and it showed us clearly that we weren't alone in the way we felt or the way we sized up that mess. On ALL the big issues, WE are the ones who turned out to be correct. And we're STILL correct about the VAST majority of it.

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Response to New Orleans Strong (Reply #25)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 08:46 AM

68. Welcome to DU, New Orleans Strong!

And yes, I am.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 07:45 PM

26. People liked blaming Obama. When we should take responsibility. Our citizenry fucked us over.

There are people in America who voted for these people and this is where the problem has always been.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 07:47 PM

27. What's this "we" shit?

 

I didn't vote for any of these assbags.

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Response to el scorcho (Reply #27)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 08:05 PM

32. agreed...

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Response to el scorcho (Reply #27)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 09:39 PM

47. Neither did I! I won't claim ANY ownership or involvement or responsibility for any of these vermin!

And at the same time, I tried to tell the truth to people who were leaning toward supporting these schmucks! And so did MANY here!!! I wrote, blogged, tried to talk sense into them, got ignored, got challenged, got insulted, got laughed at. But what can you do when they're WILLFULLY ignorant? PROUDLY ignorant?

Sometimes I think we should just ship 'em to Somalia and let them have all the anarchy they can eat. It's what they dream of anyway, isn't it?

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Response to el scorcho (Reply #27)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 06:52 AM

57. Thank you.

That kind of blanket condemnation solves nothing.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 07:54 PM

28. That was a thing of beauty.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 07:58 PM

29. BRILLIANT!!!! This just NAILS it.

Just NAILS it!!!

HIGHLY recommended!!!

I hope the Democrats will learn, once and for all, that you DO NOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS!!!! Not even the home-grown ones!!!!!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 08:06 PM

33. Something That Is Often Overlooked

Is just how wealthy the members of this House are. The only way you can successfully primary a Republican Congressman is if you are wealthy, with connections to the likes of the Koch brothers or Joe Ricketts.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 08:26 PM

38. Memo to me: Don't get on this man's bad side.

Although I think some of his descriptors were too mild, I realize that there are some terms that probably haven't even been invented yet. So, Mr. Pierce:

(Ummmmm... Chilled Monkey Brains. Made me think of Indiana Jones.)

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 08:29 PM

39. the Teahaddist Party

needs an enema.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 08:42 PM

42. You will never find

A more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 09:12 PM

43. You know, the Democrats

were at their lowest point, seeing as how Obama gave away the store on so many things, from the nsa to health care, but this just reminded America of two things.

1) the GOP really are THAT bad.
2)that if people got out the vote in 2010, we would not be in this mess.

Throw your tomatoes if you will, but the truth will remain!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 09:34 PM

45. The monkey brains had mad cow disease

and it is starting to show.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 09:47 PM

48. Damn, that was good! nt

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 12:15 AM

50. DC is still owned by the 1%,

 

irregardless of this fine theatre they're putting up right now.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 12:36 AM

51. Scathing and beauteous!

Not that the teabaggers will understand any of it, but still we can enjoy.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 12:43 AM

52. Get 'em outta there America or you're doomed.

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 12:43 AM

53. When will this situation be called what it really is, a Constitutional Crisis?

We are talking about the full faith and credit of the United States, this is playing with fire. Do they realize what the Executive Branch can do in a national emergency? To answer my own question the real problem is a couple weeks away as the United States Government really collapses. October 2013 could become the marker of our greatest national tragedy. This Constitutional Crisis can transcend mere partisan politics.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 01:45 AM

54. Says it like it bloody is!

 

k&r

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 01:55 AM

55. The truth that makes you want to weep for the stupidity of it all

Mark Twain would have savaged them -- Charles Pierce is doing pretty well.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 06:51 AM

56. Kicked and Recommended!

We have elected an idiocracy.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 07:20 AM

58. Great stuff. HST would be proud of that.

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 07:33 AM

59. ....their party's mouthbreathing base...."


Nobody's ever going to put it better than Charles Pierce does, here. These words need as wide a distribution as possible.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 07:42 AM

60. They are Saddam Huessin at the end of Gulf War #1

Knowing that he was going to lose the war, and believing that the US would come and physically remove him from power, Saddam ordered that the oil fields be set on fire. If he wasn't going to control Iraq, then there would be no Iraq to control, he'd destroy it instead (Ironically, he was wrong, the US didn't come for him until Bush's failed Iraq war #2).

That's what the GOP is doing now. These crazy right wing nut jobs understand that their time is almost up. The demographics and attitudes of Americans are evolving away from the insane GOP.

And if they can't govern the United States, which is their God given right, then no one should be allowed to do so.

Their final act is going to be a murder suicide.

It will probably take a few years to get rid of them, and so they are going to use the time that remains to make as big a mess as possible. Destroy as much as possible.

They are lighting the oil fields on fire.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #60)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 07:43 AM

61. The Republicans have indeed invoked a "scorched earth" policy. Great analogy, thanks JoePhilly.

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 08:00 AM

62. A few weeks from now, after the GOP is forced to cave,

Boehner will be sitting at the bar, drowning his sorrows with some top shelf whiskey, wondering what went wrong.

His buddies will tell him "You went full teatard! Never go full teatard."

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 08:03 AM

63. So it turns out it's the Ignorami, and not the Illuminati, behind it all?

Seriously, I wish I could recommend this link 1000 times more.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 08:14 AM

64. I think this still falls into the plan of the 1%. They gain from every crisis.

 

I think it's by design that the Republican party has gone nuts. The moderates are migrating into the Democratic Party and pulling our party to the right. This marginalizes the left. If the 1% cant get Christie or Jeb they can live with Obama and Clinton. They dont want another FDR.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #64)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 10:24 AM

71. +1

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 08:30 AM

65. Listening to Stephanie Miller read parts of this right now...

Glad to have the entire text in front of me... You hit it, Charlie Pierce!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 08:36 AM

67. Big Kick!! (eom)

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 09:09 AM

69. Perfectly stated. I use my screen name because that's how I feel

about the United States.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 10:08 AM

70. Ouch!

That's a serious swift kick in the nads!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 10:46 AM

73. Perhaps this is the start of the zombie apocalypse we've all joked about over the last several years

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 11:08 AM

74. Correction: unverifiable voting machines have elected flying monkeys ...

... not "we the people", at least here in Tennessee. Our state legislature is the only one to repeal a voter confidence law that would have banned unverifiable voting equipment. Using that equipment, flying monkeys now have a super majority in our state legislature and our Congressional delegation has gone from 5-4 Dem to 7-2 flying monkey.

My point: Don't blame the voters for the current state of affairs until and unless we can verify that our voting machines count our votes the way they are cast.

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Response to Fly by night (Reply #74)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 11:28 AM

75. Excellent point. Thanks.

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 11:46 AM

76. a small group of immensely wealthy men

showing the rest of us that if we start making any real progress, they can buy enough politicians to subvert democracy.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 12:33 PM

77. "who do not believe in government"

Nor do they believe in democracy. As Tom DeLay said, the goal is a permanent majority, in other words, single party rule.
Like they have in Cuba, I presume.

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Wed Oct 2, 2013, 01:00 PM

78. Absolutely. K&R

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Wed Oct 2, 2013, 01:47 PM

80. This is it--in a "nut"shell. K&R!

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Wed Oct 2, 2013, 01:54 PM

81. Be sure to follow up with "Meet the Morons"

 

the link was at the end of the article...but here it is again:

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/shutdown-morons#slide-1


This is a great list. And as I post on FaceBook....

I would just like to point out.... to inform any South-bashing that may (understandably) show up... that in this excellent list of dumb bunny GOPers, the South is represented, but not a majority. I am an East Coast resident of Popelina... er ...North Carolina. We over here do not consider TX the South. Long horns and cowboys are not traditionally "southern", they are "western". But I'll give you TX as the south as well as FL, which is filled with retired yankees. Even so, this list tallies up at 5 Southern loonies (TX times 3, TN & FL) and 6 nut jobs from all over (OK, CA, KY, PA, WI, & MO) I know the South has been THE racial problem for centuries now, but it simply isn't the case any more. Since electing an African American, the bigots and idiots that go with them have crawled out of the woodwork EVERYWHERE. Pay attention! The South is no longer THE problem.... merely A problem.

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Wed Oct 2, 2013, 02:02 PM

82. Plenty of racist pricks right here in Wisconsin. We're definately not South.

 

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Wed Oct 2, 2013, 03:46 PM

84. I

never voted for any one of the republican nut jobs .

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Wed Oct 2, 2013, 04:32 PM

85. A good rant, but depressing, cuz I agree.

What is there to be done? The first and most important thing is to recognize how we came to this pass. Both sides did not do this. Both sides are not to blame. There is no compromise to be had here that will leave the current structure of the government intact. There can be no reward for this behavior. I am less sanguine than are many people that this whole thing will redound to the credit of the Democratic party. For that to happen, the country would have to make a nuanced judgment over who is to blame that, I believe, will be discouraged by the courtier press of the Beltway and that, in any case, the country has not shown itself capable of making. For that to happen, the Democratic party would have to be demonstrably ruthless enough to risk its own political standing to make the point, which the Democratic party never has shown itself capable of doing. With the vandals tucked away in safe, gerrymandered districts, and their control over state governments probably unshaken by events in Washington, there will be no great wave election that sweeps them out of power. I do not see profound political consequences for enough of them to change the character of a Congress gone delusional. The only real consequences will be felt by the millions of people affected by what this Congress has forced upon the nation, which was the whole point all along.

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Wed Oct 2, 2013, 05:23 PM

86. Think about all the waiting rooms this will hit.

 

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Wed Oct 2, 2013, 05:35 PM

87. Not much of a historian is he?

That has been business as usual since the beginning.

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