Republicans spit on "More than 783,000 government employees"?

[whttevrr]

Is this right?

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/30/politics/government-shutdown-up-to-speed/?hpt=hp_t1

How many government workers could be furloughed?

More than 783,000 government employees, according to a CNN analysis of contingency plans published by the federal government on Friday. Not all government agencies submitted contingency plans.

Those are my fellow American Citizens. How can 232 members of Congress destroy so many and keep a straight face?

[whttevrr]

1. Napkin math...

$500-750/ week? (I think that is very low ball, but the lowest people on the totem pole are the ones who will be hurt first.)

$625 X 783,000 = $489,375,000/ week taken out of the economy.

The Republicans are taking 1/2 a Billion dollars from lower middle class workers every week that they persist in this inanity. If this last 21 days like it did before, that's 1.5 Billion Dollars that the Republicans are going to take out of our economy.

Can someone tell us when the GOP is going to give us the "Jobs, Jobs, Jobs" that they have been campaigning on, for 5 years?

[lonestarnot]

5. 2.1 billion.

[whttevrr]

9. It's napkin math...

[Cha]

2. Thank you for highlighting this yanking of Americans' paychecks, by these members of Congress who

don't have any worries.. until 2014..



http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023741505

[whttevrr]

13. This part sucks...

They still get paid.

[Cryptoad]

3. I wonder ,,,,

how many of these civilian gov workers ot be furloughed are located around all the Military bases in the Super Red Southern States?

How much pay will they have to lose before they regret being a tea bagger!?!

[Nuclear Unicorn]

7. I dunno but is that a cautionary tale against permanent military cutbacks?

[Cryptoad]

16. No

my post had nothing to do with military cutbacks...... try again

[Nuclear Unicorn]

17. So what would make permanent cuts better than a temporary furlough?

[Cryptoad]

18. It better for the employee,

furlough takes away the Promise and expectation of work and pay , leaving the employee not knowing what to expect. Permanent Cuts leave no doubt with the employee (or former employee )as to where they stand.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

19. Double-plus good!

The government will not stay shutdown forever. In 1996 the federal employees were given back-pay for the 22 days the of furlough; but we're supposed to think losing that, plus benes, plus accrued retirement time is better. What a joke. For half a minute there I thought you might actually have a real answer.

[Cryptoad]

20. No need for a personal attack

because you disagree with my opinion !

[Nuclear Unicorn]

21. I was attacking your opinion, not you.

[Cryptoad]

22. By being Rude and condescending ?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

23. Well, if you must know --

I felt as if you were insulting my intelligence with that answer. In fact, I still feel fairly insulted. Seriously.

[Cryptoad]

25. What about my answer insulted your intelligence?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

27. The entire premise.

[Cryptoad]

28. The premise that teabaggers that work around

military bases in the southern Red states are not going to not like the shutdown if it happens...

seriously?

thus, any premise you do not agree with insults your intelligence and grants you the right to be rude and condescending to other posters? really?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

30. No, the premise that they'll more readily accept permanent job loss over temporary furlough.

You aren't going to win over the "teabaggers that work around military bases in the southern Red states" be permanently destroying their jobs; ergo any happy dancing over fallout from a temporary shutdown would premature.

thus, any premise you do not agree with insults your intelligence and grants you the right to be rude and condescending to other posters? really?

Are you even paying attention to the conversation? It's like the singular point I made since coming into this thread just sailed overhead. It's not that hard, dude. It's right here for easy review. Or are you insulting me again by asserting I'm too stupid to remember my own point?

[Cryptoad]

31. I said nothing of the sorts

you are the one that interjected "permanent military cutbacks" in reply to my post which had nothing to do with "permanent military cutbacks" and I told you so when you posted it

I said nothing about "winning over the "teabaggers",

geez

would you like to quote where I said these things you say I said,,



Seems it not me that is not paying attention and not critically reading post,


"Fools that dig pits Fall in"

[Nuclear Unicorn]

32. You said, quite explicitly

I wonder ,,,,

how many of these civilian gov workers ot be furloughed are located around all the Military bases in the Super Red Southern States?

How much pay will they have to lose before they regret being a tea bagger!?!

Now, unless I miss my mark you're saying the furloughed workers will resent the GOP-induced government shutdown because it will cost them financially and their ire ought to be aimed at the GOP. So far so good but it does have an inherent flaw which I point out.

I posited that a permanent job loss due to permanent military cutbacks -- as are current Democratic policy -- will engender just as much resentment, if not more. To wit I rhetorically asked --

So what would make permanent cuts better than a temporary furlough?

You replied --

It better for the employee, furlough takes away the Promise and expectation of work and pay , leaving the employee not knowing what to expect. Permanent Cuts leave no doubt with the employee (or former employee )as to where they stand.

Now, if that isn't an endorsement of permanent job loss over temporary furlough, I don't know what is.

You may claim your objective isn't to win over "teabaggers that work around military bases in the southern Red states" but I'm left to wonder what is the political utility in making them hate the Democratic party MORE than the GOP. No one likes a permanent job loss over a temporary furlough (probably with back pay) and if the military cutbacks occur whatever pain they felt during the furloughs will be displaced by this greater pain. Ergo the entire premise of your initial reply that they will resent the GOP more than President Obama and the Democratic party (assuming cuts are made) is faulty.

The insulting part is post #18 where you boldly assert the certainty of jobless is better than some temporary uncertainty engendered in a furlough. Do you really expect me to believe such silliness? Tell me you were just joking and all shall be forgiven.

BTW -- if civility is such a thing with you why use terms like "teabaggers ... in the southern ... states"? Do you carry some sort of prejudice about people in southern states that makes you assume they must be teabaggers? It'd make for a poor campaign poster next year, that's for sure.

[Cryptoad]

33. You missed you mark,,,,

your assumptions are not my words

[Nuclear Unicorn]

37. Please expound upon your comment in post #18

It better for the employee,

furlough takes away the Promise and expectation of work and pay , leaving the employee not knowing what to expect. Permanent Cuts leave no doubt with the employee (or former employee )as to where they stand.

[Cryptoad]

38. Nah,,,,

I no longer converse with people who make up stuff and say i said it!

bye

[Nuclear Unicorn]

39. but I'm quoting you verbatim, at length, and asking you to explain

[GeorgeGist]

4. CNN? Analysis?

Fail!

[whttevrr]

8. Is there something specific in the numbers that you refute?

Or are you just proclaiming a prejudice?

[polynomial]

6. Another WTF moment

Failing to practice those virtues that one preaches is basic hypocrisy. Of course there is balance in this form as a political equation. That is people vote for these persons to represent the people of that special area, or all of us.

However the greater part of the country fails to see the basic election struggle for each individual because the media shuts it out. The media actually prevents the whole of America from understanding what kind of minds are within the population to admit such atrocity to society. That is the Republican Al Qaeda. Treachery offered rather than governance.

Growing up in this country having an understanding of government never included this new liberal idea of shutting down the government.

It’s as though the so called Conservative Republican Tea Party, the Al Qaeda’s of this age flip to liberal ideas that are obviously bad whenever they want to yet never are called out by the media or the opposite party for the unintended consequences in inconsistency the obnoxious hypocrisy so obvious that is basic violation to the Constitutional.

The Oath to the Constitution is simple, run the government, not to shut it down. This kind of hypocrisy is an injury so severe to Democracy/ Republic.

This elected group of citizens eliminating the function of Republic/ Democratic actions in America with a new age in sedition. No shots fired only theater with Hollywood style iterations paid with commercials between the messages of a new unnatural serection, pushing the population beyond a peaceful protest.

Bailout for the rich and shut down for the poor, the new age injustice is normalized by our media. Instead of the real story America is in perpetual serenades called breaking news with frivolous discussions that avoid the serious financial crimes. The political serpent strangles the average citizen in an ugly unfair game that all men will suffer for.

[truebluegreen]

14. Um, "new liberal idea" of shutting down the government?

[Recursion]

10. Not to descend into anecdote, but I won't just be furloughed. I'll lose my malaria vaccine

I hate to keep bringing this up, but it's a sign of how sociopathic the GOP is.

I gave up a pretty damn good job stateside to do IT work for the US government at much lower pay in Mumbai, India.

If there's a shutdown, I won't get my malaria vaccine anymore. I'll only get it if I become symptomatic (at which point much higher, more expensive doses are required).

The worst thing is, those of us busting our asses overseas are actually used to this.

[whttevrr]

11. That's sad...

I really have a hard time believing these people are willing to hurt so many.

They suck.

[whttevrr]

12. Numbers from another source:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/09/29/questions-and-answers-about-the-shutdown/2888419/

Does anyone have a guess? J. David Cox, president of the American Federation of Government employees, said he expects the number will be 800,000 to 1 million, out of 2.1 million federal employees. That's consistent with a USA TODAY analysis of 2011 shutdown contingency plans, which found that 59% of non-defense government employees would continue to work.

So, 783,000 thousand people seems like a low to moderate estimate.


http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/09/what-happens-if-the-government-shuts-down-who-would-be-affected-and-who-wouldnt/

The last time that happened was in 1996 when the federal government was shuttered for 21 days between Dec. 15, 1995, and Jan. 6, 1996. Before that, a five-day shutdown occurred from Nov. 13 through Nov. 19, 1995. According to the Congressional Research Service, 800,000 federal employees were furloughed during that period.

After the 1996 fiscal year shutdowns, the Office of Budget and Management estimated the cost of the shutdown to be $1.4 billion.

Another 800,000 people estimate.


And Reuters:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/29/us-usa-fiscal-factbox-idUSBRE98S0JX20130929

The last government shutdown ran from December 16, 1995, to January 6, 1996, putting about 800,000 federal workers on furlough.

Here is a roundup of the expected impact of a shutdown.

FEDERAL WORKERS

Up to 1 million U.S. federal workers could face furloughs without pay beginning on Oct 1.

So this is going to hurt almost a million people right away. And as time goes forward the pain will spread out amongst many people who rely on the Government.

Not to mention; this will also cost the Government money on top of that money that is not paid to furloughed workers that gets taken out of our economy and brings hardship to many.

The overseas Malaria medicine thing is incomprehensible...

[klyon]

15. The District of Columbia will also be shut down,

they are completely controlled by Congress.

[gulliver]

24. The also spit on all of the businesses those people support.

These Tea Party people don't respect elections or common decency.

[gopiscrap]

26. bunch of fucking assholes.

[CAG]

29. This is considered a positive for the repukes; it

Allows them to tell their voters that they put those "lazy byeeoorocrats" out of work.

[mutian]

34. General Discussion

I can not believe it happened

[B Calm]

35. and it's costing the government more than if they let the government run. STUPID SOB's

[spinbaby]

36. A friend got her furlough notice yesterday

She works in the DC area doing something clerical for the government. My sister in-law works for a government contractor. I expect she'll be next.