Sun Sep 29, 2013, 04:12 PM
dkf (37,305 posts)
U.S. Moves on Syria, Iran Anger Saudi Arabia
RIYADH—The Obama administration's handling of overtures on Syria and Iran have outraged regional ally Saudi Arabia, which is signaling it wants to do more to boost the power of armed Sunni rebel groups on the ground in Syria as the U.S. pursues diplomacy.
Saudis fear that Syrian President Basher al-Assad will use the time afforded by U.S.- and U.N.-backed diplomacy on Syria "to impose more killing and to torture its people," Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal said Thursday night in New York, in a warning that was overshadowed by the attention paid to the weekend's first public contacts in three decades between the presidents of Iran and the U.S. Accordingly, Saudi Arabia wants "intensification of political, economic and military support to the Syrian opposition…. to change the balance of powers on the ground" in Syria, Prince Saud said in his remarks to the Friends of Syria group, a coalition of Western and Gulf Arab countries and Turkey that supports the Syria opposition against Mr. Assad. The state-run Saudi Press Agency carried a transcript of his remarks. The Saudi government has had no public comment so far on the groundbreaking phone call Friday between U.S. President Barack Obama, whose country Saudi Arabia sees as the main military protector of its interests, and new Iranian President Hasan Rouhani, whose country Saudi Arabia sees as its main threat. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303643304579104910000148876.html
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dkf | Sep 2013 | OP |
hrmjustin | Sep 2013 | #1 | |
Warpy | Sep 2013 | #2 | |
malaise | Sep 2013 | #3 | |
Comrade Grumpy | Sep 2013 | #4 | |
Scootaloo | Sep 2013 | #5 | |
randome | Sep 2013 | #6 | |
dkf | Sep 2013 | #10 | |
leveymg | Sep 2013 | #7 | |
dkf | Sep 2013 | #8 | |
leveymg | Sep 2013 | #11 | |
Guy Whitey Corngood | Sep 2013 | #9 | |
KurtNYC | Sep 2013 | #12 | |
dkf | Sep 2013 | #14 | |
roamer65 | Sep 2013 | #13 | |
dkf | Sep 2013 | #15 | |
kelliekat44 | Sep 2013 | #16 | |
warrant46 | Sep 2013 | #20 | |
JI7 | Sep 2013 | #17 | |
LittleBlue | Sep 2013 | #18 | |
Cali_Democrat | Sep 2013 | #19 | |
Uncle Joe | Sep 2013 | #21 | |
Junkdrawer | Sep 2013 | #22 |
Response to dkf (Original post)
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 04:14 PM
hrmjustin (71,265 posts)
1. They should all smoke pot and it will work out.
Response to dkf (Original post)
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 04:16 PM
Warpy (106,433 posts)
2. Then let them dirty their own hands for a change
After all, we've sold them plenty of death over the years and trained their people on how to deliver it.
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Response to dkf (Original post)
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 04:17 PM
malaise (254,368 posts)
3. Peace with Syria and Iran would men less
weapons for the Saudis and Israelis. The mendicants are pissed and I am shocked I tell yah.
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Response to dkf (Original post)
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 04:19 PM
Comrade Grumpy (13,184 posts)
4. The House of Saud needs to go in the dustbin of history.
Response to dkf (Original post)
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 04:32 PM
Scootaloo (25,699 posts)
5. Evidence that diplomacy with Iran and Syria is a good idea n/t
Response to dkf (Original post)
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 04:44 PM
randome (34,845 posts)
6. I hope those who think Obama is a weak president...
...understand some of the complexities involved here. You can't simply say, 'Peace to all' without someone else rising up to oppose you.
I agree Saudi Arabia needs to take matters into its own hands instead of letting us meddle but they won't. [hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it. So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr] |
Response to randome (Reply #6)
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 04:48 PM
dkf (37,305 posts)
10. Why are we better off if Assad falls to Sunni extremists?
I don't see it.
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Response to dkf (Original post)
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 04:44 PM
leveymg (36,418 posts)
7. Wouldn't be the first time for a polar shift between US "allies" and "adversaries" in the region
Maybe another one is overdue. Our current batch of "frienemies" in the Mideast have done nothing but allow their radicals to repeatedly attack us and have cost us a fortune in upkeep and capital accounts transfers.
We'd be better off if we just declared them supporters of international terrorism and freeze their US holdings as assets of enemy combatants. |
Response to leveymg (Reply #7)
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 04:47 PM
dkf (37,305 posts)
8. I think so. Our interests are diverging.
Frankly if the report re:Chechen attacks on the Russian Olympics are true, that may go for us as well.
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Response to dkf (Reply #8)
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 06:08 PM
leveymg (36,418 posts)
11. If anything like that happens, who could blame the Russians if they did a post-9/11 on Riyadh?
The Russians are in much better shape today to protect their interests than they were when their southern regions were being carved up in the middle and late 1990s. The U.S. is no longer in a strategic position of unrivaled power where we can so easily restrain the Russians this time, and it no longer appears to be in our interest to help the Saudi paramilitary (al-Qaeda) strengthen and expand any longer.
Perhaps, there's a dawning realization along these lines that's occurring in both places,and more widely around the world? |
Response to dkf (Original post)
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 04:48 PM
Guy Whitey Corngood (25,850 posts)
9. Did a Saudi minister just complain about "torturing and
killing people"? What's next The Taliban complaining about the lack of women's rights in another country?
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Response to dkf (Original post)
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 06:18 PM
KurtNYC (14,549 posts)
12. So is this a Sunni vs Shiite conflict in the eyes of the Saudis?
Syria is 3/4s Sunni but Assad and the government is Alawi (Shiite sect). Iran is 92% Shiite.
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Response to KurtNYC (Reply #12)
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 06:42 PM
dkf (37,305 posts)
14. I believe they also would benefit from a natural gas pipeline across Syria.
Response to dkf (Original post)
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 06:26 PM
roamer65 (33,958 posts)
13. Saudi Arabia and Israel.
An alliance I see coming very soon.
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Response to roamer65 (Reply #13)
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 06:44 PM
dkf (37,305 posts)
15. I wonder if the Saudis would live that down.
For the Israelis maybe that wouldn't be the worst thing to have a Muslim ally. I wonder if that would work out.
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Response to dkf (Original post)
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 06:45 PM
kelliekat44 (7,759 posts)
16. Saudis and Israelis too. Saudis can tell me nothing after 9/11. We went after the wrong demon. nt
Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #16)
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 06:51 PM
warrant46 (2,205 posts)
20. This D Bag on the left is why we did nothing
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Response to dkf (Original post)
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 06:47 PM
JI7 (87,733 posts)
17. maybe Saudi Arabia and Israel will get together and form an alliance to oppose
us
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Response to dkf (Original post)
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 06:49 PM
LittleBlue (10,362 posts)
18. Yeah, like the Saudis care about the Syrian people
What a farce.
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Response to dkf (Original post)
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 06:50 PM
Cali_Democrat (30,439 posts)
19. Saudi Arabia and Israel can go fuck themselves. n/t
Response to dkf (Original post)
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 07:00 PM
Uncle Joe (55,201 posts)
21. Well U.S. Iranian diplomatic relations could damage women's ovaries,
so that's something to think about.
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Response to dkf (Original post)
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 07:24 PM
Junkdrawer (27,993 posts)
22. Just tell them we've been talking to Putin and HE had a great offer....
that ought to get them thinking....
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