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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRobert Fisk in Damascus: Assad's troops may be winning this war in Syria's capital.....
- untouched by Obama's threatsDispatch from Damascus: The killing fields remain, and truth is as rare as hope
And so the war goes on. Missile alerts may be over but the killing fields remain, untouched by Obamas pale threats or Sergei Lavrovs earnestness. The Syrian army fights on in the rubble and the shells fly over Damascus and the road from Lebanon is still littered with checkpoints. Only when you reach the city do you notice how many people have now built iron guard doors before their homes and iron gates on car parks. The claim that 40-50,000 rebels surround the capital is probably untrue but there are up to 80,000 security men and soldiers inside Damascus and, on this battlefront, they may well be winning.
Its a campaign that started long before the use of sarin gas on 21 August and continued long afterwards. But on that fateful night, the Syrian army did mount one of its fiercest bombardments of rebel areas. In 12 separate attacks, it tried to put special forces men inside the insurgent enclaves, backed up by artillery fire. These included the suburbs of Harasta, and Arbin.
I was chatting yesterday to an old Syrian friend, a journalist who used to be in the countrys special forces and he quite by chance said he was embedded with Syrian government troops on the night of 21 August. These were men of the Fourth Division in which the Presidents brother Maher commands a brigade and my friend was in the suburb of Moadamiyeh the site of one of the chemical attacks. He recalls the tremendous artillery bombardment but saw no evidence of gas being used. This was one of the areas from which the army was attempting to insert bridgeheads into rebel territory. What he does remember is the concern of government troops when they saw the first images of gas victims on television fearing that they themselves would have to fight amid the poisonous fumes.
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Some questions are familiar. Why use gas when so much more lethal weaponry is being flung at rebel forces across the country? If the government wanted to use gas, why not employ it north of Aleppo where not a single government soldier or official exists? Why in Damascus? And why wasnt gas used on this scale in the previous two years? And why employ such a dreadful weapon when the end result is that Syria by giving up its stocks of chemical weapons has effectively lost one of its strategic defences against an Israeli invasion? No wonder, another Syrian friend of mine remarked last night, that the Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Moallem had such a long and shocked face when he made his Moscow announcement. Wasnt Israel the real winner in all this?
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Robert Fisk in Damascus: Assad's troops may be winning this war in Syria's capital..... (Original Post)
JohnyCanuck
Sep 2013
OP
I guess it's a question of who bears the burden of proof at this point; who to believe, if anyone?
leveymg
Sep 2013
#2
we aren't allowed to question the official story, plus "Fisk" has been officially damaged.
Warren Stupidity
Sep 2013
#3
ConcernedCanuk
(13,509 posts)1. Stuff to ponder alright.
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Raises a lot of questions in my mind. After Iraq, I sorta distrust the PNAC/MIC et al and their puppets.
USA's military "intelligence" - that's a laugh, and the World knows it.
USA didn't get to bomb Syria - yet; - but I fear Israel will.
Itchy trigger fingers all around.
(sigh)
CC
leveymg
(36,418 posts)2. I guess it's a question of who bears the burden of proof at this point; who to believe, if anyone?
If we accept that certain baseline events occurred -- the gassing of Moadamiya and Zamala -- one has to wonder about Robert's friend. Also, to look at a map of all contested neighborhoods in Damascus, it's apparent that the Alawite aren't exactly winning.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)3. we aren't allowed to question the official story, plus "Fisk" has been officially damaged.
JohnyCanuck
(9,922 posts)4. Another possible source of Sarin for the rebels you'd be unlikely to read about in mainstream media.
Syria: Whodunit?
By Soraya Sepahpour-Ulrich
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According to the UN report two types of rockets had been used, including an M14 artillery rocket bearing Cyrillic markings and a 330-millimeter rocket of unidentified origin though perhaps not so unidentified. Shortly after the August incident, Foreign Policy published and made mention of these mysterious rockets which according to former UN inspectors bore a strong resemblance to a 1970s American weaponthe SLUFAE . Although SLUFAE had been shelved, the concept was built upon by several countriesnamely Israel. According to the former UN inspector, "a very similar munition was found 3-5 years ago, during one of the Israeli excursions," into Southern Lebanon. Further, there is the strong possibility that the rockets with Cyrillic markings (attributed to the Soviets) can be traced back to the Bear Spares program.
According to the 1995 Teicher Affidavit, the United States had a Bear Spares program with the objective to provide ammunition for Soviet or Soviet-style weaponry and deliver them third countries without direct involvement. Israel which had a large stockpile of Soviet weaponry and ammunition captured during its wars was active in this program and, according to Teicher, transferred the spare parts and weapons to third countries or insurgents (such as to Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war, to the Afghans, and the Contras).
Of note is the fact that Israel possess Sarin gas and it is not party to the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC). It is worthwhile repeating here that it was Israeli intelligence which alerted the United States of the use of Sarin on August 21, and of its delivery method long before the UN report was published. It was the Israeli intelligence which prompted John Kerry to point the finger at Assad with confidence.
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Contrary to the Western media pundits who attempt to pain this as a straightforward case against Assad, without evidence or without thought, one can point the finger to other more likely culprits who stand to gain a great deal from this heinous crime. The only way to narrow down the field is to consider cui bono. Clearly, Assad is the biggest loser.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36282.htm
By Soraya Sepahpour-Ulrich
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According to the UN report two types of rockets had been used, including an M14 artillery rocket bearing Cyrillic markings and a 330-millimeter rocket of unidentified origin though perhaps not so unidentified. Shortly after the August incident, Foreign Policy published and made mention of these mysterious rockets which according to former UN inspectors bore a strong resemblance to a 1970s American weaponthe SLUFAE . Although SLUFAE had been shelved, the concept was built upon by several countriesnamely Israel. According to the former UN inspector, "a very similar munition was found 3-5 years ago, during one of the Israeli excursions," into Southern Lebanon. Further, there is the strong possibility that the rockets with Cyrillic markings (attributed to the Soviets) can be traced back to the Bear Spares program.
According to the 1995 Teicher Affidavit, the United States had a Bear Spares program with the objective to provide ammunition for Soviet or Soviet-style weaponry and deliver them third countries without direct involvement. Israel which had a large stockpile of Soviet weaponry and ammunition captured during its wars was active in this program and, according to Teicher, transferred the spare parts and weapons to third countries or insurgents (such as to Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war, to the Afghans, and the Contras).
Of note is the fact that Israel possess Sarin gas and it is not party to the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC). It is worthwhile repeating here that it was Israeli intelligence which alerted the United States of the use of Sarin on August 21, and of its delivery method long before the UN report was published. It was the Israeli intelligence which prompted John Kerry to point the finger at Assad with confidence.
snip
Contrary to the Western media pundits who attempt to pain this as a straightforward case against Assad, without evidence or without thought, one can point the finger to other more likely culprits who stand to gain a great deal from this heinous crime. The only way to narrow down the field is to consider cui bono. Clearly, Assad is the biggest loser.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36282.htm