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dkf

(37,305 posts)
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 02:55 AM Sep 2013

Obama's staff is rewriting his speech because of what happened today. That's how planned this was

@verumserum: BTW, Obama's staff is rewriting his speech because of what happened today. That's how planned this was: http://t.co/9cvXD07j0R

Russian Proposal Catches Obama Between Putin and House Republicans

WASHINGTON — President Obama woke up Monday facing a Congressional defeat that many in both parties believed could hobble his presidency. And by the end of the day, he found himself in the odd position of relying on his Russian counterpart, Vladimir V. Putin, of all people, to bail him out.


“Putin knows that everyone wants an out, so he’s providing one,” said Fiona Hill, a former national intelligence officer and co-author of “Mr. Putin: Operative in the Kremlin.” “It seems like a bold idea that will get everyone, including Obama, out of a bind that they don’t want to be in.”


“It just adds to the uncertainty and makes a vote soon a little more difficult,” said Howard Berman, a Democrat and former chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. “It just gets dragged out and causes the Congress to say let’s wait to see what happens with this before they vote.”

All of which had White House speechwriters revising their drafts before Mr. Obama addresses the nation Tuesday night in what is shaping up as one of the most challenging moments of his presidency. He hoped to explain why it was necessary to retaliate for a chemical weapons attack that, according to United States intelligence, killed more than 1,400 in Syria, but also reassure Americans the result would not be another Iraq war.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/10/world/middleeast/surprise-russian-proposal-catches-obama-between-putin-and-house-republicans.html?emc=edit_tnt_20130909&tntemail0=y&_r=1&

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Obama's staff is rewriting his speech because of what happened today. That's how planned this was (Original Post) dkf Sep 2013 OP
Rather dispassionately I say... David__77 Sep 2013 #1
Maybe that is for the best? ConcernedCanuk Sep 2013 #13
most helpful to Assad? bvar22 Sep 2013 #66
A couple of things... Tx4obama Sep 2013 #2
So you're saying Obama is all-knowing, except when he isn't n/t markpkessinger Sep 2013 #45
LOL, keep trying to spin it your way. Most of us know what really happened! n-t Logical Sep 2013 #61
Please tell us stevil Sep 2013 #3
They don't make any sense to me, either, stevil. Suich Sep 2013 #4
The White House staff had to re-write the speech because the goal has changed. dkf Sep 2013 #6
Oh piffle. Presidential speeches are rewritten all the time. Hekate Sep 2013 #11
I would think this re-write is very tricky....can't wait to hear snappyturtle Sep 2013 #19
Ya, that should be interesting Hydra Sep 2013 #20
What they woke up to is not where we are now hence the need for re-write of speech. dkf Sep 2013 #5
Maybe you tiddly-winks players Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #7
^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^ pkdu Sep 2013 #8
in any game, there is more than one player.... dtom67 Sep 2013 #9
Your "tiddlywinks" post isn't that compelling ... Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #10
Goodbye, Summer. nt sibelian Sep 2013 #56
The Game, the Go board, indeed, is much larger. Putin's judo, karate, intelligence- Ghost Dog Sep 2013 #12
This would have been a nice touch OilemFirchen Sep 2013 #25
Heh, yeah... Cool. Ghost Dog Sep 2013 #72
'Bewildered herd'. Speak for yourself. randome Sep 2013 #16
sorry, hoss... dtom67 Sep 2013 #68
Nice Kingofalldems Sep 2013 #23
I would think this re-write is very tricky....can't wait to hear snappyturtle Sep 2013 #18
"If" and "but." That's what Obama will do. kelliekat44 Sep 2013 #36
It's an awful, disastrous, no-good day she had some 10 months ago. 2ndAmForComputers Sep 2013 #69
If Kerry's statement was a trial balloon, which I think, how would he have known pnwmom Sep 2013 #14
Honestly don't know how to respond to such Skidmore Sep 2013 #15
'Rigidity of thinking'. randome Sep 2013 #17
+1 Exactly. n/t FSogol Sep 2013 #21
Exactly FedUpWithIt All Sep 2013 #35
The Combustible Hair Club is struggling today. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #22
The President is doing a great job, much to the chagrin of some. Kingofalldems Sep 2013 #24
And they've got it backwards. Avalux Sep 2013 #27
You Better Believe It. nt msanthrope Sep 2013 #32
Obama is fortunate to have found an exit strategy for his hugely unpopular Syria strike. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #37
+1 woo me with science Sep 2013 #42
it would be nice to see some of his most ardent supporters acknowledge that.. frylock Sep 2013 #43
He's always had an out, anyone who denies this isn't credible. joshcryer Sep 2013 #70
In these situations, keep a bunch of possibilities going, hope one breaks your way, and jump on it. Hoyt Sep 2013 #26
It's really, really important to you that Obama not take any credit for this, right? randome Sep 2013 #28
I give him credit for rolling with it. But I'm not going to credit him for something anyone dkf Sep 2013 #31
Considering how little we actually know that the president doesn't... Orsino Sep 2013 #33
It should be obvious to you that Kerry didn't mean to make a proposal that would stop the bombing. dkf Sep 2013 #34
As far as I can tell, you are the one making huge assumptions Skidmore Sep 2013 #38
Of course it will linger. Even when Saddam got rid of WMD it lingered. Ask Qaddafi how well dkf Sep 2013 #40
If you realize that, then why all of the Skidmore Sep 2013 #41
Because I didn't think Obama would be the one to do it. dkf Sep 2013 #49
Actually, the President has kept us out of the ditch. Skidmore Sep 2013 #52
Yes. I can't speak to how well the president and SoS are doing... Orsino Sep 2013 #73
I'll give him credit if he can resist the impulse to sneak excuses for a war into the agreement kenny blankenship Sep 2013 #54
I wish we would stop looking at this in terms of giving Obama an "out"........ wandy Sep 2013 #29
I haven't heard anyone imply it was "planned" They said it was thought of and discussed FedUpWithIt All Sep 2013 #30
I think … 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #71
Of course they are. Enough of this Orwellian garbage. woo me with science Sep 2013 #39
Oh god, now you are spamming threads with the same cliche ass copy/paste sentence. phleshdef Sep 2013 #44
You must stop answering my posts. woo me with science Sep 2013 #46
LOL polichick Sep 2013 #50
Good job Mr. President. Kingofalldems Sep 2013 #47
Only conservatives think in terms of black and white. No nuance. No flexibility. No reason... Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #48
His actions lead to this reaction from Russia and Syria, you sound disappointed (nt) The Straight Story Sep 2013 #51
"one of the most challenging moments of his presidency" Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #53
I'm thinking this will be a different speech than originally scheduled. RC Sep 2013 #55
dang -- glad they're on top of that...for a while today it was nashville_brook Sep 2013 #57
I just love how Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #58
Rewriting the speech was always part of His plan. MNBrewer Sep 2013 #59
He's not writing the speech?? kentuck Sep 2013 #60
LOL, great point! n-t Logical Sep 2013 #62
I'm sure it's part of the plan! Union Scribe Sep 2013 #63
Wow, the situation changing and things moving quickly, Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #64
Yeah right. They cooked this up at the G20 last week. nt Ruby the Liberal Sep 2013 #65
Hey , Everybody, Watch THIS!!! bvar22 Sep 2013 #67

David__77

(23,170 posts)
1. Rather dispassionately I say...
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 03:00 AM
Sep 2013

That of Assad, Obama, and Putin, this development is most helpful to Assad.

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
13. Maybe that is for the best?
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 04:55 AM
Sep 2013

.
.
.

If Syria is pretty much left alone with it's internal strife,

Global War is not a concern.

But if the USA gets into a pissing contest with Russia, Iran, China and all the other NEIGHBORS of Syria;

Global war is indeed a possibility imo.

My concern now is that the MIC wants global war -


and it's gonna get it -

any way they can.

(sigh)

CC

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
66. most helpful to Assad?
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 07:49 PM
Sep 2013

...and most hurtful to Al Qaeda and the other radical Islamists "Rebel" factions??
Yes?

Thought so.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
2. A couple of things...
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 03:05 AM
Sep 2013

Just because Obama didn't know 'when' Putin was going to come out and talk about the new proposal doesn't mean that Obama and Putin didn't talk about it at the G20 conference.

Also, Obama revises his speeches ALL the time - sometimes he makes changes right up until it's time to give a speech.

Obama revising his speech doesn't prove anything one way or the other.



stevil

(1,537 posts)
3. Please tell us
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 03:08 AM
Sep 2013

What your point is. Not being disrespectful....thread title and body do not make sense to me.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
6. The White House staff had to re-write the speech because the goal has changed.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 03:19 AM
Sep 2013

If all along they had planned a rollout of a Russian-Syrian agreement, the speech should have been mostly done.

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
19. I would think this re-write is very tricky....can't wait to hear
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 06:38 AM
Sep 2013

the address especially because this newest approach was not
in the original plan of the U.S. ........should have been. imho



Hydra

(14,459 posts)
20. Ya, that should be interesting
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 11:51 AM
Sep 2013

This is totally off script, so will the President accept this change of events gracefully and say that we're done or will he ask for the authorization anyway "just in case"?

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
5. What they woke up to is not where we are now hence the need for re-write of speech.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 03:12 AM
Sep 2013

That's for the 11 dimension chess believers who think its all planned.

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
7. Maybe you tiddly-winks players
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 03:31 AM
Sep 2013

should stay out of discussions about chess.

You only embarrass yourself when you try to look like you know what you're talking about.

dtom67

(634 posts)
9. in any game, there is more than one player....
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 03:52 AM
Sep 2013

In THIS game, the russians are the ones that came out on top. They know,as anyone with any sense of honesty knows, that chemical weapons use is not why we are attacking. That crap is what we tell the bewildered herd in order to rally them behind military action. The russians offer up assad's chem weaps in order to illustrate the fact that we don't give a damned about thhose weapons. We will push to attack, even if the chems are surrendered. The reason the speech needs to be rewritten is that they will now have to add NEW REASONS to attack Syria, because the "chemical weapons" excuse is being undercut by the ruskies.
Have no fear, we WILL attack.

The Saudi's got their checkbook open. You know that means someone is gonna die.....


Oh,yeah btw... your "tiddlywinks" post isn't that compelling....

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
10. Your "tiddlywinks" post isn't that compelling ...
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 03:59 AM
Sep 2013

And yet you felt compelled to respond to it.

"The reason the speech needs to be rewritten is that they will now have to add NEW REASONS to attack Syria, because the "chemical weapons" excuse is being undercut by the ruskies."

Yes, yes, of course. Aha. Yes, no doubt. Mm hmm, sure of it now.

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
12. The Game, the Go board, indeed, is much larger. Putin's judo, karate, intelligence-
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 04:36 AM
Sep 2013

inspired game is very effective...

Always with this in mind (and this is only to his South and West):

[center]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin#Martial_arts[/center]

... Hill contextualized Putin’s leadership style with his past as a practitioner of judo and operative in the KGB. “He likes to surprise his interlocutors in the political field,” she said. “And that’s what he really has tried to transform onto the political stage, this same kind of skill set internationally, to be able to take advantage of the mistakes of other world leaders. And that’s what he’s really doing in this case on Syria.”

/... http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/09/08/how-judo-and-kgb-tactics-inform-putins-diplomatic-strategy/


[center][/center]
 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
72. Heh, yeah... Cool.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 09:12 PM
Sep 2013

(No, seriously) Thanks for that!

--- ¿Why does that remind me of the likes of, ummm, Rudyard Kipling (or, say, Eric Blair). Mmm?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
16. 'Bewildered herd'. Speak for yourself.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 06:17 AM
Sep 2013

[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers. It's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

dtom67

(634 posts)
68. sorry, hoss...
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 08:55 PM
Sep 2013

but this is classic political democratic thought. The rule of the Polyarchy demands that the Public be led to reaching the correct decisions via emotional manipulation, NOT logical discourse.

That isn't what we were told growing up, but there you have it.

That is just the way it is ....

see Lippmann or Bernays and you will see what I mean.

and then check the dates they were formulating these ideas.

long time ago ......

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
18. I would think this re-write is very tricky....can't wait to hear
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 06:35 AM
Sep 2013

the address especially because this newest approach was not
in the original plan of the U.S. ........should have been.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
36. "If" and "but." That's what Obama will do.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:25 PM
Sep 2013

I have been asking people here to flood the WH.gov site with pleas to not attack Syria. I did this and at the same time I offered a suggestion to allow Assad to give up his chem stash and allow them to be destroyed and in return the USs would call off an "imminent" attack. Ask the Russians to negotiate with Assad to call the rebels into account while also offering them a chance to make their grievances known. Off a chance for the rebels...all groups...to meet together under UN security to air out their differences and come up with a plan that would allow them to work together to get Assad to make concessions on running the country with the rebels playing a role. But all sides must agree to allow Christians, and all Muslim sects to worship freely and operate their businesses without being subjected to warfare. Well at least the first half of the suggestion was thought of and seems to be in place.

If Assad agrees and seriously allows the takeover of his chemical weapons stashes than the next negotiation step could take place. But is he doesn't make a good faith effort than nations should proceed to wipe out these sites through covert ground operations by offering safe harbor to Assad's military generals and folks who know about the chemical weapons sites.

pnwmom

(108,915 posts)
14. If Kerry's statement was a trial balloon, which I think, how would he have known
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 06:04 AM
Sep 2013

that it would succeed?

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
15. Honestly don't know how to respond to such
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 06:16 AM
Sep 2013

naivete. In what world does anyone live where situations involving many players do not require some adjustment of course? The only thing your post suggests to me is that you are engaging in a certain rigidity of thinking and are trying to force the flow of events to fit your script. Contrary to the conventional wisdom that appears to prevail DU these days, not everyone in the world is privy too or involved in the grand conspiracy for world domination and destruction. Putin responded. Hence the rewrite. The speech will be adjusted to accommodate new information as events unfold.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
17. 'Rigidity of thinking'.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 06:19 AM
Sep 2013

[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers. It's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
22. The Combustible Hair Club is struggling today.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 11:58 AM
Sep 2013

They've been predicting a 2nd Iraq, and the end of Obama's second term as a result.

And they can feel it all slipping away.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
27. And they've got it backwards.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:40 PM
Sep 2013

Putin is not coming to Obama's rescue and saving his butt - he's forced to do this to keep Assad in power so that Syria remains stable, and Russia can maintain a presence in the middle east. They have their only military base outside of Russia in Syria. It's critical they can maintain the current arrangement. Obama has known this all and leveraged it.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
37. Obama is fortunate to have found an exit strategy for his hugely unpopular Syria strike.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:33 PM
Sep 2013

I congratulate him for realizing he was heading in the wrong direction and taking up the Russian proposal.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
43. it would be nice to see some of his most ardent supporters acknowledge that..
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 02:32 PM
Sep 2013

rather than flipping the bird and insisting that this was scripted from jump.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
26. In these situations, keep a bunch of possibilities going, hope one breaks your way, and jump on it.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:36 PM
Sep 2013

Appears that's exactly what Obama did.

I'll give him credit for that.

Or, I guess I could bash Obama by saying: I don't care if everything worked out well, Obama is bad, bad, bad. Obviously, I'm assuming everything will work out as hoped.
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
28. It's really, really important to you that Obama not take any credit for this, right?
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:41 PM
Sep 2013

[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers. It's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
31. I give him credit for rolling with it. But I'm not going to credit him for something anyone
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:12 PM
Sep 2013

with half a brain knows isn't true.

Can't you all be reality based instead of imparting Obama with super Jedi tricks? You look so foolish sometimes.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
33. Considering how little we actually know that the president doesn't...
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:17 PM
Sep 2013

...I'm not ready to call him a hero or just lucky.

I'm not ready to write off a second term, either, not just because a speech got rewritten twenty-three times instead of twenty-two.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
34. It should be obvious to you that Kerry didn't mean to make a proposal that would stop the bombing.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:20 PM
Sep 2013

Anyone who is certain of the opposite I can't take seriously.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
38. As far as I can tell, you are the one making huge assumptions
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:34 PM
Sep 2013

about what others believe. I have written and read a number of posts by other DUers who have pointed to the leverage that maintaining a threat of a strike gives even in negotiations of a peaceful or political resolution. You can't realistically expect that Assad says "Okey-dokey" and everyone pats him on his head and goes home without making certain that there is follow through. That threat will linger for some time in the future whether you like it or not.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
40. Of course it will linger. Even when Saddam got rid of WMD it lingered. Ask Qaddafi how well
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:38 PM
Sep 2013

Getting rid of nuclear ambitions works.

Syria is on the list. Eventually the neocons will be there.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
49. Because I didn't think Obama would be the one to do it.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 03:03 PM
Sep 2013

Silly me. I thought I was electing the driver who would keep us out of the ditch.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
52. Actually, the President has kept us out of the ditch.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 03:13 PM
Sep 2013

He has been actively working on a way to get Syria back into the world community. Just now on MSNBC, the guy from Buzzfeed was on "The Cycle" and clearly stated that the idea for accounting for Syria's CWs was first discussed with Putin a full year ago. There is much that goes on in the negotiations between nations that none of us knows about. We see the results. The President is not an enemy but a man trying to do a thankless job.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
73. Yes. I can't speak to how well the president and SoS are doing...
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 09:56 AM
Sep 2013

...but at the moment, the situation looks a lot better than it did.

kenny blankenship

(15,689 posts)
54. I'll give him credit if he can resist the impulse to sneak excuses for a war into the agreement
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 03:20 PM
Sep 2013

He has been given a gift from Heaven here between Congress's cold shoulder and Russia's gesture. Also, it must be said that Britain's refusal to make the same mistake they made before is key - it has a huge impact on our Congress.

In order for this prospective agreement to NOT lead to future grief basically it has to be "meaningless". There's no way for an agreement about Syrian WMDs to be implemented to everyone's satisfaction during the middle of a fucking civil war. The importance or meaning of the hoped for agreement is all in allowing the two great powers to back away from a suicidal confrontation over a country that has no intrinsic value to either of us. Mr. Obama should have had enough time now to reflect on how incredibly stupid nearly getting us into WWIII over Syria was. He should studiously avoid any language that would enable or obligate the US (under his or any succeeding administration) to foolishly dangle its weenie over the Sarlacc of the Middle East EVER AGAIN.


Stay the fuck out!

wandy

(3,539 posts)
29. I wish we would stop looking at this in terms of giving Obama an "out"........
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:46 PM
Sep 2013

Russia has interests in that area and may have no desire for a long term chemical weapon conflict.
Much less for something akin to Iraq II.

If President Obama finds himself working with Mr. Putin to bring about a resolve, the worst I would accuse him of in that instance would be taking advantage of a good situation.

FedUpWithIt All

(4,442 posts)
30. I haven't heard anyone imply it was "planned" They said it was thought of and discussed
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:10 PM
Sep 2013

There are multiple actors involved and an idea was discussed and then yesterday it was agreed to.

I am really having a hard time following along with all the vitriol being aimed at Obama. I think he and Kerry are handling things extremely well. It wasn't too long ago that we had an administration where a strike would have happened, without Congressional approval, disregarding public opinion, without diplomacy discussions and even in spite of concessions offered by other nations. Pauses for reflection, debate or consideration would not have been too likely.

It is beginning to seem as if people are simply bored and are jumping on this crisis for something new to entertain themselves. This isn't entertainment. This isn't a reality show. In the real world things take time. In the real world the solutions to conflict are not always so simple or black and white.

I am proud of my President through all of this.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
71. I think …
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 09:09 PM
Sep 2013

“I am really having a hard time following along with all the vitriol being aimed at Obama. … It is beginning to seem as if people are simply bored and are jumping on this crisis for something new to entertain themselves.”

You are being far to charitable. To better understand, visit the DU archives … or better yet, pick the 5-50 most vitriolic post you can find today, and enter the poster’s name into the site’s google search feature; but insert the date January, 2012, or even January 2009 … and read forward.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
39. Of course they are. Enough of this Orwellian garbage.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:37 PM
Sep 2013

It should chill every American that brazen, lying propaganda and rewriting of history appear to be the status quo now in political messaging in the United States of America.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
44. Oh god, now you are spamming threads with the same cliche ass copy/paste sentence.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 02:35 PM
Sep 2013

Your bitterness tastes so delightful.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
48. Only conservatives think in terms of black and white. No nuance. No flexibility. No reason...
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 03:00 PM
Sep 2013

Speeches are revised all the time. This is nothing new, folks.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
57. dang -- glad they're on top of that...for a while today it was
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 04:59 PM
Sep 2013

being reported that he was going ahead with the original. seriously.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
58. I just love how
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:17 PM
Sep 2013

I get jumped on to the point of absolute nonsense even after being nice enough to self-delete an op that linked to the Daily Mail, because it was objected to that strongly; but you have a tweet from Brietbart News in yours and there are CRICKETS about it.

I'm not objecting, just finding the selective vision and selective outrage very interesting.

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
63. I'm sure it's part of the plan!
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 06:27 PM
Sep 2013

And I see the warhawk-turned-peacehawks have shown up to spread their peace upon you, lol.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
64. Wow, the situation changing and things moving quickly,
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 06:31 PM
Sep 2013

in international negotiations involving several different countries and a weapons stockpile?

Really, I never heard of such a thing.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
67. Hey , Everybody, Watch THIS!!!
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 07:58 PM
Sep 2013

Its the Pee Wee Herman Defense:
[font size=3]He MEANT to do that![/font]

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