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rsmith6621

(6,942 posts)
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 07:56 PM Sep 2013

Just Give Senator McGramps(AZ) An Old F-4 Fighter Jet



and as many missiles as it will hold and send him off to Syria if he really believes that this proposed action is really worth it and if he is so HUNGRY for our troops to be involved.

McGramps = McCain
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Just Give Senator McGramps(AZ) An Old F-4 Fighter Jet (Original Post) rsmith6621 Sep 2013 OP
Look--he crashed 5 planes. You really want to give him another? nt msanthrope Sep 2013 #1
only 4 crashes* and he had something to do with helping w/ a fire and explosions Botany Sep 2013 #7
I hate McCain. But any time someone like you mentions the USS Forrestal, you denigrate the memory cherokeeprogressive Sep 2013 #10
thank you and you fellow sailors for their service Botany Sep 2013 #11
Strap Palin in the co-pilot chair just for fun Blue Owl Sep 2013 #2
That 2naSalit Sep 2013 #3
They only ever let him fly A-4 Skyhawks - a subsonic model kenny blankenship Sep 2013 #4
What a waste of a very cool airplane. longship Sep 2013 #5
The F-4 is proof oneshooter Sep 2013 #12
And send anyone who votes "yes" with him. nt TBF Sep 2013 #6
I can just imagine him in action... Make7 Sep 2013 #8
Make it an A-10 Warthog. Chan790 Sep 2013 #9

Botany

(70,449 posts)
7. only 4 crashes* and he had something to do with helping w/ a fire and explosions
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 08:41 PM
Sep 2013

on the USS Forrestal.



* Galveston Bay, somewhere on the east coast (Army/Navy Game),
Spain .... flying under high voltage electric lines ..... and Vietnam
when he did not listen to his warning sounds and got shot down.


 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
10. I hate McCain. But any time someone like you mentions the USS Forrestal, you denigrate the memory
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 09:37 PM
Sep 2013

of 134 good men who died, and 161 others who were badly injured. I don't know what you know about flight deck operations, but I'm guessing somewhere along the way you either heard or read McCain was some kind of cowboy who "wet started" his airplane. That wet start made flames shoot out of his "tail pipe" and caused a bomb to explode, resulting in the whole mess. This former flight deck sailor is once more going to try and set the story straight for a DUer who has it wrong, and I'm going to try to do it as nicely as I can this time as I've had posts hidden before for getting upset over what I know to be a lie.

The diagram below illustrates the way aircraft are parked at the beginning of a launch evolution. Notice they are parked so their exhaust is not pointed at any other aircraft. This is known as TOW, or "tail over the water". This diagram is actually the diagram from the Forrestal when the accident happened. The circle on the left is the F-4 (tail #110) from which the Zuni was accidentally launched, and the circle on the right is the A-4 (tail #405 parked next to McCain's plane) the Zuni hit. Some of the men who died were actually in their racks (bunks) when the first bomb went off and blew the hole in the flight deck. Their berthing area was on the 03 Level.

I was lucky enough to have worked with men who were there on the flight deck of the Forrestal that day. I remember watching the training film we saw about a hundred times with one of them. It was called something like "Forrestal: Trial by Fire". It was like he was there all over again. Guess where I was the very first time I heard the wet start story, and that John McCain was even there? Right here on DU. I was stunned, because that isn't how it happened. I know the wet start story isn't and CAN'T be true, because I WORKED on the flight deck, and that's not and never was how things operate there.

So do me a favor. Do those good men who died, and the good men who got injured a favor. Get it right. Don't do it for McCain. Fuck him. Do it for them. They don't deserve to be used in a lie like that.


Botany

(70,449 posts)
11. thank you and you fellow sailors for their service
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 08:20 AM
Sep 2013

but I had never heard of the "wet start" story about McCain and the Forrestal.

What I had read about the accident was that some kind of ordnance had gone off
and a fire started on the deck of the ship and that after the fire started McCain did
not help in fighting the fire something which many of his fellow pilots did. I seemed
to remember that a bomb that was on McCain's plane somehow got released and it exploded
when the fire reached it.

kenny blankenship

(15,689 posts)
4. They only ever let him fly A-4 Skyhawks - a subsonic model
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 08:26 PM
Sep 2013

In an F4 Phantom he would've just crashed it twice as fast - and blow the windows out of whatever hapless carrier he was assigned to.

longship

(40,416 posts)
5. What a waste of a very cool airplane.
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 08:27 PM
Sep 2013

You do know that he crashed a bunch of planes, don't you?


The F-4 Phantom was one honking incredible plane.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
9. Make it an A-10 Warthog.
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 09:31 PM
Sep 2013

That way when he turfs it, they can hose it out and send it to maintenance for repairs and redeployment.

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