The man who made Femen: New film outs Victor Svyatski as the mastermind behind the protest group...

[Recursion]

...and its breast-baring stunts

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/the-man-who-made-femen-new-film-outs-victor-svyatski-as-the-mastermind-behind-the-protest-group-and-its-breastbaring-stunts-8797042.html

When the Femen founder finally spoke to Ms Green, he sought to justify his role within the organisation and acknowledged the paradox of being a “patriarch” running a feminist protest group. “These girls are weak,” he says in the film.

“They don’t have the strength of character. They don’t even have the desire to be strong. Instead, they show submissiveness, spinelessness, lack of punctuality, and many other factors which prevent them from becoming political activists. These are qualities which it was essential to teach them.”

Mr Svyatski insists to Ms Green that his influence on the group is positive. However, when he is asked directly whether he started Femen “to get girls”, he replies: “Perhaps yes, somewhere in my deep subconscious.”

One of the Femen campaigners talks of the relationship between the women and the movement’s founder as being akin to “Stockholm syndrome”, in which hostages feel sympathy for their captors.

[JI7]

1. is he the one who complained the Brazilian protestors were too fat

[bettyellen]

2. didn't they just pretend to be exiled from Russia when they actually moved months ago?

I know that leader tells two different stories about being left in the woods, because they were the first two stories I read about them.
They're pretty funny, and that's about it.

[Recursion]

11. The first one didn't get enough attention so he added they were stripped

Naked women in peril in the woods is better ink, I guess?

[bettyellen]

16. and in one story, they get a lift part of the way- the other they walk...

we we wee, all the way home. They were always ridiculous, and completely full of shit.
How anyone thought a group who were styled like a girl band were "expressing themselves" freely or creatively is beyond me.

[Luminous Animal]

3. A few months back, I started an OP about this guy but never posted it…

I figured what's the use. Too many DUers blinded by boobies to make any difference.

[bettyellen]

4. dudes thought it was just a lucky coincidence they were thin w/ blonde hair extensions, LOL.

I'm disappointed it was man who called them bitches who organized them, was hoping at least it was a kinder woman who auditioned them all for the stunts.

[Recursion]

9. "They're Russian which is why they're all attractive"

Actually commented to me when I posted similar doubts on Facebook.

[bettyellen]

10. oh, that shit would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

[Luminous Animal]

14. Not just called them bitches but screamed the word at them

But I've heard on DU that it is okay to call women bitches becuase Charlie Sheen does on TV.

[redqueen]

34. Flawless logic.

It's on tv so its ok now! Shut up!

[seabeyond]

5. I kinda said the same and ended up a three day outrage or more

Color me surprised. What a fuckin' joke that is not even a little funny.

[Luminous Animal]

6. Hi seabeyond :)

And I agree. Not even a little funny. I wonder where all the folks who called feminists prudes are?

[Luminous Animal]

15. And you were treated like shit, mocked in a most cruel manner

And the admins allowed the pile on. It was pathetic and sad.

[seabeyond]

30. i think the adm feels if i were just nicer, then people would not pile on. you know... say what a

value an org, ran by a man, strippin women down for them to make fools of themselves are VITAL i tell you, to the woman cause.

so of course, the pile on has to be my fault.

[Luminous Animal]

7. Not much love for a post that reveals Femen is a fraud. Hmmm.

[Recursion]

8. Well, in the post-Warhol world, the line between gimmick and fraud

is a little fuzzy. I even called people out earlier for saying there must be some male svengali behind it. But here we are.

[KittyWampus]

12. leaves a bad taste in ones mouth. Don't think I posted on a single thread dealing with Femen.

[Recursion]

13. Yeah, I've mostly avoided Femen threads

They made me vaguely uneasy but I also know Europe is different than the US about sex. And the idea of using the male gaze for good is at least interesting, but this guy creeps me the hell out

[nomorenomore08]

109. And this just makes it harder for the truly "sex-positive" (i.e. in favor of healthy sexuality)

to be taken seriously. Because the situation described in the OP is simply naked (pun semi-intended) exploitation.

[seabeyond]

133. find me a feminist... anywhere, who is not in favor of a healthy sexuality.

[nomorenomore08]

142. Barring a few extreme exceptions, you're probably right. And I never meant to suggest otherwise.

My point was more that these faux-liberationist groups - of which Femen, unfortunately, seems to be one - make things harder for those who really do promote a positive, healthy view of sex. And I understand that the criticisms of Femen were never about nudity per se, or about "prudishness," but how they represented a distortion and perversion of a truly "sex-positive" message.

[bettyellen]

145. exactly- faux liberation. Blows my mind that while controlled by this guy, they had the nerve to

put down any and all other feminists before them. Mind you- this is at a time where they said they didn't understand the "patriarchy" was or what they should be doing. So they looked to a man to tell them. Sheesh, is any of this credible?

[bettyellen]

19. I think that since they auditioned, were paid, and given dumb slogans to parrot

makes them self serving frauds. They did pretend to be a self creation.
Gosh some people here must feel really duped now, huh? All the interviews, and fawning.

[Luminous Animal]

21. A modern movement of "sex positive" (snort) feminism built by a man who

calls the members stupid and screams "bitches" at them. And "feminst" men ate it up.

[seabeyond]

31. p riot. created by a couple men. that also like to use the women in degrading porn films....

another one.

my suggestion is, when it is all about degrading women to please men with the supposed voice of women.... check out who created the org.

[bettyellen]

39. I think the tell was putting down or ignoring women activists already working on the ground...

And also, the styling- who the hell gets matching hair extensions and Daisy Dukes as part of a political statement?
I have no problems with nudity at all, but something was very off from day one.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

82. "created by a couple men"

I was wondering what happened to the guys who made the "Girls Gone Wild" videos. I guess they took up politics.

[seabeyond]

83. ha. lol. you have to see this video. LUV it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017143044

feeling all better???

[JI7]

17. Amina left them also and called them out on their bigotry

against muslims.

[BainsBane]

20. I'm shocked

[Luminous Animal]

22. Weren't you a Femen supporter. Forgive me if I am wrong.

[BainsBane]

23. I had concerns

One, their clear Islamophobia and the hegemonic view of women's bodies that they insisted on portraying to the media so as to satisfy the male gaze, which they certainly did.
I read the piece by the Brazilian Femen leader who renounced association with them over their refusal to consider Brazilian women's concerns and telling them the women protesting were too fat. They wanted slim, young attractive girls. That seemed anything but feminist to me.

[Luminous Animal]

24. Thank you. Most likely I had you confused with someone else.

[BainsBane]

25. I didn't trash them or anything

If that's what you mean. I was trying to figure them out.

[Luminous Animal]

26. No no. I did a google search and I totally had you confused with someone else.

Sorry about that!

[Scootaloo]

27. Gosh, and I was told that I must hate women because I thought the group was a joke

[Luminous Animal]

28. A lot of bile was directed to those who suspected their methods.

[BainsBane]

33. Funny how much of that came from people

who regularly denounce feminism.

[nomorenomore08]

110. Yeah, what is with the passive-aggressive shit anyway? You would expect it on, say, an MRA blog.

But some of the stuff on DU really treads close to the borderline of that.

[JI7]

111. there are men's rights types on DU also

[nomorenomore08]

112. Yeah, that's kind of what I meant. They may not be as blatant as others elsewhere (due to the TOS)

but these misguided ideas are still floating around nonetheless.

[BainsBane]

114. Some of them are pretty blatant.

[nomorenomore08]

115. Dancing ever so close to the line that they know they'd be banned for crossing.

And yes, I am surprised and dismayed at how MRA-ish, in their false sense of persecution and their (sometimes) belligerence, some DUers' arguments can be.

[BainsBane]

116. Honestly, I find it pathetic

They blame women for their own failures in life and make a point of whining about how hard it is to be male.

[BainsBane]

113. Not a coincidence

at all.

[bettyellen]

35. Probably told this by those who had no idea why they were protesting or didn't acknowledge

all the press they were getting was entirely about the nudity and not their issues.
Interesting how few of them actually read the stories or were aware of their history. Or realized we were reacting to the press coverage they were getting and more in tune with what was actually happening than they were.

[seabeyond]

36. did you really expect them to get past the boobs? which was the argument in the first place

and they continually, time and again, proved our point.

[bettyellen]

37. proved our point, by making jokes about "two points". yeah- it was Beevis and Butthead time at DU

and it was horrifying to see so many people who did not know WTF they were talking about attack you. The morons took over. And now, they are in hiding. Would that they stay there.
The hostility and trolling here was OTT, and should have been reigned in. Big failure for the jury system and Admins, and some very dark days for the women of DU.

[seabeyond]

40. naturally, i could not agree with you more. but... if only i were nicer.

then again, i believe i was nice enough and respectful enough, just called bullshit on the subject at hand. you know, gave a differing opinion. so what is "nice" enough to not have the bullying way allowed..... hm..... thinking.

silence.


shhhhhhhhh

oh.... an article. i have to add to this thread.

ya, maybe this will be the reason i am not considered nice enough. give me a minute. i LUV it. of course.

[bettyellen]

42. looking forward to more of your posts. stay strong, and fuck em if they can't handle some honesty.

I don't always agree with you, but god knows you express yourself more honestly than many here and refuse to play the games some do.

[seabeyond]

43. thank you.

i am well aware that i get stuff wrong or am only seeing from my perspective from my experience, BUT....

express yourself more honestly than many here and refuse to play the games some do.

this is really important to me. so thank you.

[bettyellen]

45. Even if I always disagreed with you- I would admire you for that.

[seabeyond]

47. .

that is important. thank you.

[bettyellen]

59. there are a few here who aggravate me with what I think are wrong headed ideas, but....

I believe they are honest about it. And you can have genuine conversations without insults and head games.
I appreciate that. But these days, they are far outnumbered by jerks trying to vilify others who do not agree with them. Particularly feminists. It is sad.

[seabeyond]

60. agreed. i like the good old days that we could respectfully agree to disagree.

that tends to be how i walk life and so much more interesting.

[MadrasT]

29. LOL. I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

[bettyellen]

38. here's hoping our local radio reporter does a follow up interview- it's only fair.

now that this revelation has come out.

[Luminous Animal]

46. Excuses are already being made...

Some comments on this post in the Guardian:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/04/femen-man-topless-protests-victor-vyatski?CMP=twt_gu

is that really all it took for you? you read one article by an anti-Femen female about a documentary made be someone looking for the most scandalous angle and you'll took in. you're being led, just wait and see what more is said. this could all be clap-trap. these girls have enemies is v.high places all over Eastern Europe do you really think this wouldn't have been exposed before now if it were true? a documentary maker has done her job well, made an explosively scandalous doc', but it's prob' all BS.

sorry but i'll bet he didn't 'set it up'. he's prob' just an organiser. someone would have to do it, they've become enormous, the girl that originally set Femen up wouldn't be able to do this on her own now. I wrote below, a bit like an event planner. they basically organise events so they'd need an event planner. his grumbling about organising girls would be what an event planner would do but event planners are still only employees even though they take on responsibility for the running of these large events.

[bettyellen]

53. ha ha, we are being led? and not the dudes who ogled and refused to think more deeply about their

messaging (and lack of it)? Oh my, how some cling to their fantasies.
Can't wait to see some footage of their abusive "event planner".
WTF, they put up FB messages and got their hair done. None of it was ever very well thought out, except as a photo op.

[stevenleser]

52. I've already asked for comment. I'm pretty suspicious of this particular person's take, but we'll

see.

[Luminous Animal]

54. Which part makes you suspicious?

The quotes? Or the fact that he set it up?

[stevenleser]

62. All of it. I just heard back from Inna Schevchenko, I'm interviewing her this evening

I'll air what she has to say about these allegations this Sunday and Monday. I'll be sure to give you all a preview.

[bettyellen]

65. Why aren't you speaking to the film maker? Do you have clips?

Are you going to call her on her two different versions of her naked in the woods story?

[stevenleser]

67. See my #66

[Luminous Animal]

69. You might want to read this 2009 interview with Victor before

you interview Inna.

http://pineapplesandcaviar.wordpress.com/2011/08/15/anna-hutsol-and-vitaly-svyatsky-femen-kiev/

[bettyellen]

70. and I suggest asking her which of the versions of her lost in the woods story is true....

especially since she has dramatic new stories of persecution that also do not pass the sniff test. Russia is persecuting her while she is in Germany? Seriously?? How's that work?

[bettyellen]

63. Good to hear- perhaps you can reach out to this film maker too?

I'd love to see some clips of the film. A year with the group is not easy to dismiss. I doubt they got into it thinking it was a merely a money making scheme.

[stevenleser]

66. I'm undecided on that. I feel like that filmmaker has said what they have to say via the film.

I want to hear what Inna has to say about it.

If they conflict, maybe I'll see if they are willing to debate each other.

[bettyellen]

68. Not sure why you a reluctant to call Ina on her bullshit, or introduce anything about the film-

which is the actual news here. Sounds like a puff piece.

[seabeyond]

76. "Not sure why..." really? lol, you are not sure why?

lol. he have had a conversation in hof not to exclaim surprise, when really we are not.

i think he is being very consistent in his position and have my views of exactly why.







just a fav

[bettyellen]

79. if you're a journalist and your research shows the person is telling multiple versions of a story...

and you are not exploring it, then you are a stenographer. Just asking Steve what is it going to be?
Is her really going to ignore her own interviews and guess that the reported film footage of them being berated doesn't exist? If he does;t cover this, and just gives her the mike, it's a waste of everyone's time.

[seabeyond]

81. gives her the mike with a lot of pictures of tits. i agree. what will it be.

and the answer is important.

[Luminous Animal]

85. Maybe you could also ask her about"blood in the streets" with matriarchy being the outcome.

ZEIT ONLINE: How far are you?

Shevchenko: We have already taken care of a few minor revolutions in the mass media. Before we started our operations, could naked woman breasts just after midnight on TV or in sex magazines for men to see. But now we have legalized the female body. You can see in Ukraine in newspapers or on prime time TV breasts today.

ZEIT ONLINE: What is at the end of your revolution?

Shevchenko: Matriarchy, I hope so.

ZEIT ONLINE: When is it ready?

Shevchenko: I do not know exactly, maybe 2017, exactly one hundred years after those Russian revolution that ended the Czarist rule. If it is so far, we must fight. Then blood will flow again. The revolution is violent.

ZEIT ONLINE: Whose blood?

Shevchenko: The Men.

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3DVitaly%2BSvyatsky%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DU0I%26sa%3DX%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US fficial%26biw%3D1130%26bih%3D915&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&u=http://www.zeit.de/sport/2012-06/interview-femen-ukraine-protest/seite-2&usg=ALkJrhjoviYQuNiYoQIxOW_q9X_vR815-g

[bettyellen]

89. OMG, she should write for the Onion....or cal it performance art. because having men in your thrall

to the extent that thy do not hear you are calling for their blood to be spilled is pretty fucking funny.
As well as very sad, but in a way I've already been aware of all my life.

[Dorian Gray]

144. This plus 1000000

[seabeyond]

41. “I TOLD YOU SO ... SUCKERS”

Femen was founded and is controlled by a man. Exactly zero people are surprised

Femen, aka, CLASSICAL FEMINISM IS DEAD ALSO LOOK AT OUR BOOOOOBS, turns out to have been founded and controlled by a man named Victor Svyatski.

“Outed” by Australian film-maker Kitty Green, she says: “It’s his movement and he hand-picked the girls. He hand-picked the prettiest girls because the prettiest girls sell more papers. The prettiest girls get on the front page… that became their image, that became the way they sold the brand.”

I swear I don’t want to go all “I TOLD YOU SO SUCKERS” but seriously. We talked about this.

We talked about the fact that the whole point of Femen was to capture the male gaze, thereby capturing the attention of the media. We talked about the fact that we should be skeptical “anytime anyone makes reference to a “new face of feminism” and that face is either lingerie, something about pole dancing, or boobs.” We talked about the fact that “if a dude posts a photo of boobs and tells you it’s feminism, it’s not.”

All feminists who are smart and unfooled by the self-objectification-is-empowerment crap and who haven’t come down with a bad case of burlesque-brain like the rest of the third wave also knew better than to fall for the Femen garbage. So now is the time we all join together and rub this news obnoxiously in the faces of every dumbo who fell for this crap. WE TOLD YOU AND WE ARE RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING FOREVER AND ALWAYS. Oh do we sound gloaty? Do you not like that? DON’T CARE. Feminism needs smarty-pants gloaters more than porn-loving FEMINISM IS ABOUT LOOKING HOT AND SEXY AND DOING WHAT WE WANT FUCK YEAH mush-brains. Also! Feminism isn’t here to give you a boner. If it is giving you a boner you may want to question whether or not that’s because this “feminism” is actually porn in a very sexy nurse outfit shoddy disguise.

http://feministcurrent.com/7963/femen-was-founded-and-is-controlled-by-a-man-exactly-zero-people-are-surprised/

[bettyellen]

44. "Feminism isn’t here to give you a boner." Also

" So now is the time we all join together and rub this news obnoxiously in the faces of every dumbo who fell for this crap. WE TOLD YOU AND WE ARE RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING FOREVER AND ALWAYS. Oh do we sound gloaty? Do you not like that? DON’T CARE. "

I think that this should be a whole other OP. Just to make sure the dozen or so who drooled over Femen don't miss this.

[seabeyond]

48. WE TOLD YOU AND WE ARE RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING FOREVER AND ALWAYS.

yup. these are my three favorites. lol

[Recursion]

56. I didn't pay attention to the threads before

I remember vaguely thinking, "using the male gaze for good; interesting, if dangerous". But, yeah, this is completely not good.

[stevenleser]

87. I knew it. This is not what it appears to be.

Just finished talking with Inna. For starters, the article is misleading and does not cover all of the movie. It omits very important details and more.

I asked all the questions you guys asked me to ask.

[bettyellen]

147. You missed all but one question. And never explained any important details.

Viktor went to Kiev with the intent to start Femen with Anna. That's straight out of their mouths and linked here.
And he appears on Femen's website as a consultant just a few weeks ago... didn;t you already know this- he didn't get kicked to the curb last year. And there is no new Femen- they are using the same tactics as two three years ago - still following Viktor's playbook. What made you believe this crap about it being new- please explain what they are doing differently?
Shame you missed the opportunity to explore all the inconsistencies everyone here noted for you. Incredible you would find the new story plausible at all. Maybe do some research next time.

[Starry Messenger]

49. I'm noticing a distinct absence of a few posters on this thread.

Things that make you hmmm....

[seabeyond]

50. hmmm.... hmmm.... hmmm....

earworm. you put the tune in my head. just finishing it up for you. lol

[bettyellen]

55. They are waiting for someone to publish a half way decent explanation, so they can spam

threads with it. Prolly going to be a "plot" to discredit these brilliant young women, LOL.

[seabeyond]

58. i am seeing that. nt

[Sheldon Cooper]

57. But but but....bewbs!

They're so awesome!

Yeah, it would be nice to see a few of them creep back for their plate of crow, but of course they won't. Nobody's showing any titties, so why would they bother?

[seabeyond]

61. yup. nt

[riderinthestorm]

74. I'll bite.

I've purposefully avoided this thread because I have a very limited amount of time today to post. I've got to be out the door within the next 5 minutes and wanted to spend more of my time online today debating the Syria issue than Femen.

So I'll say from the first I'll probably only make this one post, and then the inevitable onslaught will have to continue without me. As this thread has already gotten large, its going to be impossible later - if I do have time - to get back on and answer everyone about this. So by that point I'll most likely ignore it and keep going on Syria. So with that said...

I believe I've respectfully disagreed with most of you about Femen. I'm pretty sure I never mocked anyone NOR did I belittle your positions.

As far as this movie, and the guy behind Femen - honestly, I'd really like to get more info. What's presented is ugly for sure. But how do we know this is the truth? Many "documentaries" purport to be truth but as we know "facts" can be relevant and spun very easily. The OP itself is an opinion piece with even her headline a speculation. That's not very persuasive. None of us have seen the documentary so it seems premature to say its all "true".

My positions about Femen and their actions have been laid out ad nauseum in other threads about Femen. I truly don't have time to do battle (again and for the 20th time) on their techniques.

[seabeyond]

77. hey. and being on the total other side....

i think i have always been respectful to you and probably not even addressing your posts when you discussed femen. i value and respect you much. and you and i totally disagree on this issue. when throwing out the suckers..... your face comes up and i want to say, not you riderinthestorm. love you. and not talking to you.

agree to disagree works for me as i said in a post above. just wanted to say something. because i have read your posts on this issue and i respect what you were saying. your heart was with the women, all women. that matters. it was clear.

[Starry Messenger]

84. I honestly didn't have you in mind when I made that crack, rider.

I understand your position and even when we don't agree, you always lay out your thought process and the results are spirited debates.

[bettyellen]

107. I don't think anyone was thinking of you.

There were a lot of nasty comments and accusations, but they were mainly from people who routinely hate on many feminists here.

[Little Star]

51. k&r x 1,000

[Luminous Animal]

64. Interesting 2009 interview with Victor Svyatski and Anna Hustol

http://pineapplesandcaviar.wordpress.com/2011/08/15/anna-hutsol-and-vitaly-svyatsky-femen-kiev/

We came here with a very precise goal: to start FEMEN. We always had plenty of fantasies and we always worked on those kinds of projects before FEMEN. Now we don’t do anything else. Now we have money. They give us money. We have sponsors—rich people not connected to politics. American journalists. Jeff Sander…[inaudible]…media magnate. He’s American. He has the newspaper Korrespondent, BigMir—internet. He’s a young American businessman. And an internationally famous musician, DJ Hell, from Germany. He’s the first producer of ProDJ.


....

VS: …We can make a statement about any problem in Ukraine and attach some erotic photos on the theme. Our genre is social erotica. We take great photos. You’ll see on Monday….we’re having a little show on Maidan. You can participate. (Laughs.) We’ll take your photo, send it to the people who gave you your grant. Look how I’m studying from the inside!

[bettyellen]

71. $$$! they give us $$$ And we attach "any issue" to erotica. Such dedication to their cause- $$$$.

that about sums it up- can't wait to hear what she says when Steve asks her about that.

[Luminous Animal]

72. IF Steve asks her about that.

[bettyellen]

80. IF Steve is actually a journalist, he will.

[seabeyond]

78. porn... lookie. all about porn. my fuckin god. so funny. porn to make a buck.

fuck women. oooops, i think that is the whole point.

i am outta here. thanks. things to do. but, thanks for the chuckle.

[geek tragedy]

73. .

An Austin Powers quote comes to mind:

Yeah, and I can't believe Liberace was gay. I mean, women loved him. I didn't see that one coming.

[ocpagu]

75. I've posted related info in another thread previously:

"Femen is a company, not a social movement", says former leader of the group in Brazil

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110818719

[MadrasT]

86. Interesting - looks like many folks missed that (including me)

Thanks

[bettyellen]

93. thanks, anyone who could look at their photo ops and believe there was no casting at all is

a fucking idiot who has no idea how hard it is to find that many slim and conventionally attractive people.
I do castings all the time, to get that many good looking bodies in one place- you have to pick from many- and them pay them to return. In the process, you have to tell lots of other women, "No thanks, now get out of here". There is no other way.
I particularly enjoyed their swine flu protest. HA.

[dipsydoodle]

128. I don't even need to read the link

I recall you posting it and you were the first to do so. I cross referred to your post at later dates.

[stevenleser]

88. I knew it, this is not what it appears to be.

The article leaves out the end of the movie which itself describes a time period that ends a year ago.

Between the article and the movie, there is a lot omitted.

I asked all the questions you all wanted me to ask.

[bettyellen]

90. cannot wait to read the full unedited transcript, it's a shame you didn't wait to see the film

so you cannot effectively counter anything she says. As we have seen, she has a tendency to make up some crazy shit.
But it does sound like that was planned on your part- no ability to rebut.

[stevenleser]

91. I wanted to see what she had to say first to see if there was a reason to have her on along with the

maker of the film.

There isn't a reason to do that. It's obvious what was done here.

[bettyellen]

92. so film footage is less credible than someone who has been spewing multiple versions of

incredible stories?
I am sure they will try to distance themselves from this dude - unless he is quoted wrong in every movie review, he is a major embarrassment to them. But they were solid with him a month ago, scoring press on that beating he took. Are they really going to pretend that this wasn't about $$$, their sponsors- as they were quoted as saying- and that him being with them five years meant nothing- because they broke up weeks ago?

[stevenleser]

94. No. And I have said as much as I am going to say about a story I havent aired yet. nt

[bettyellen]

95. Fair enough, cannot wait to read the full transcript.

If nothing else, she is a hoot.

[stevenleser]

117. Due to my interview with P.J. Crowley running over, I had to cut the interview way down, but here is

the full interview on my blog http://steveleser.blogspot.com/2013/09/full-interview-with-inna-shevchenko-of.html

[bettyellen]

118. It says edited down- so that would not be a full interview, would it?

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So she says that they were excited to start a movement but had no idea what it does or should do? Does it sound remotely plausible to want to start a movemnt but not know why- or what the reason for it is- seriously??
And they couldn't find out about feminism anywhere? Yet they slam academics instead of learning anything about the patriarchy, LOL? Seriously Steve? Does this ALL sound dumb as a bunch of rocks or what? It does.

Now she says he "just took over", but a few days ago- she said he sparked it- helped start it. So they have been a movement for 3-4 years and just figured out " the patriarchy" six- nine months ago? And you didn't call her out on any of it? Or ask about any of the other conflicting stories she told about the "kidnapping" and harassment where they had to leave a country they had already left months before? Do you have any answers about which story is correct and why she told different versions?

She is barely articulate- rambling on with vague BS about the patriarchy- what is she saying to you, Steve, that makes sense, let alone can find so compelling? Please do explain. Why would you believe someone cut someone off a year ago and still uses them for PR on their website a few weeks ago?

This guy worked with her for years- she knew him very well- and was still connected to the movement a month ago. Why we should believe it ended after the cameras disappeared or have any respect for Femen is beyond me. You certainly have not helped her cause, except by probably editing out the even more moronic or implausible stuff.

That isn't their past, this is past month, LOL. Even with this heavy edit, she comes off as totally lost and foolish.
I dare you to download the whole thing- as you promised to - because that is not the "full interview" as you labeled it, and I'm quite sure the rest is even more ridiculous, and that is why you are hiding it.

[stevenleser]

120. The edited down is my own nomenclature it means

Stuff like when the phone rings and she says "hello" is edited out. None of the interview itself is edited out.

On edit: everything you wrote is untrue. You assert it like the rest of femens detractors because you don't like their methods so you latch onto whatever you can to discredit them. It's not unlike MLK and Malcolm X fans attacking each other for disagreements about process. It's distracting bullshit that hurts the cause.

[bettyellen]

121. Prove it, Steve. Her interviews about her history with that guy are out there already. Sorry if you

didn;t do your homework and come off like a lovestruck schoolboy. That man did not come out of nowhere and start acting bossy out of the blue, he has a long history with Ina and then the group- she says he sparked it- and they had a relationship up to three four weeks ago. It's on their web site. And links are all over this thread, to interviews she gave this week- so maybe you should have taken some notes, so you'd realize she was snowing you.

You really think starting a feminist organization when you 1) don't know what the patriarchy is 2) don't know what you want to do, or how to do it - so you need a man to tell you ALL of this? And then you let him tell you what to do is laudable - or even plausible? How so, Steve? WHo starts an organization with NO sense of purpose? LOL. I know 3rd graders who can talk about issues with more clarity and conviction. And they know how to source help and get things done too!

Even if her tale were credible, she sounds like a fucking idiot. Even with you restating her word salad for her, all she knows how to do is repeat a few buzzwords. And your recording cuts off mid thought, so it does not sound complete. You did say you asked ALL the questions on the thread- but only ask her the one about "attaching erotic images"- you do not call her on any of the conflicting statements that you were made quite aware of. Why was that?

[stevenleser]

122. You prove it. I have her words on an interview. What do you have? nt

[bettyellen]

125. for starters- you did not address ANY of the serious issues that have been brought up by

former members. Not one. ANd you said you asked her tough questions, LOL.

http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/conradsteenkamp/2013/07/26/femen-from-enthusiasm-to-disenchantment/

[stevenleser]

127. LOL, what a joke that article is! Just like your comments on them. That isnt the issue here at all

The issue is whether this guy is in charge of Femen. You say you have an interview with her that disputes what she said on my show. lets see it.

[bettyellen]

130. Inna says she used to be a downtrodden wimp controlled by a man up till last year. except they are

doing the same actions, parroting the same lame buzzwords as they did last year - before they claim they were "enlightened" - so what exactly changed Steve? They still follow the leader's script. And their dear (purportedly former) leader was touted as very important jus 4-5 weeks ago on their site.
You really didn't notice any of that? Seriously? Not much of an investigator, are you?

[stevenleser]

131. LMAO the comments to that article say it all. Author forced it with no facts to back him up.

[bettyellen]

134. you didn't notice Inna gave you no facts? She claimed she left Ukraine because of secret police,

some BS story about being chased and a balcony... now the story is she ran away from that brute of a leader? LOOK IT UP.
EDUCATE YOURSELF AS TO HER PRIOR INTERVIEWS. TRY IT!!
I know it never occurred to Inna to research the whys or hows of feminism before starting a group, but she does;t claim to be a reporter, LOL. You do. The ignorance is ridiculous.

[seabeyond]

136. you compare a woman that merely strips and says little to people like MLK and Malcom X? really?

a woman that allows men to abuse and use her with no concern to the message.

and she is an MLK? for you? why? cause you see boobs steven?

[stevenleser]

137. No, I compared their supporters. Nice try though... not. nt

[bettyellen]

97. That doesn't fit with her statement this week that he "sparked" the

movement- which was also corroborated by the film maker.
In prior interviews, she claims has a long history working projects with this guy and this partership transformed into Femen. Now she claims it was started without him, and implies that they somehow broke from him after five years- when exactly was that? They were using his beating three weeks ago for PR purposes on their web site, so they claimed he was still with them then.
Not shocked here, I haven't seen an interview yet where she hasn't contradicted herself- like saying they are poor and pure and won't take money then bragging about sponsorships for photo ops and working the "inside"
Can't wait for Steve's interview where she explains all these inconsistencies.

[redqueen]

98. "... we just accepted the fact of a man taking control of us. We accepted this because

we did not know how to resist and fight it."

I guess flashing her boobs didn't help with that particular problem.


No matter... she'll come up with some other story soon enough.

[bettyellen]

99. Really- this dude was involved up till 3-4 weeks ago...

There's no walking back from that.
I'm surprised they didn't try to ditch him a year ago or during the filming. If he wasn't running it, then it would have been easy.
I think it's exactly how she explained it before- they solicit donors and do sexy photo ops. With women they have cast and are paid to be thin and pretty. It's no surprise that they showcase the most conventionally sexy and thin women. Or that they are doing it for sponsorships. She has admitted both, on the record.
No wonder women all over the world have figured out they just want a paycheck, and don't give a shit about their lives. Sad Amina had to find out the hard way.

[redqueen]

100. Yep, sadder still is how many self-described feminists were so easily taken in.

That's the state of feminism in the 21st century, and boy does it ever explain so very many things.

[bettyellen]

101. I understand the impulse to want to believe the idea

There's something really appealing about such a simple message. But in this case it's beyond simple - it's moronic.
And I really couldn't care less about the toplessness and all if they were actually working towards some genuine goals. Not seeing any evidence of that.
And I'm experienced in the biz to know their "actions" were performed by people who have been cast, styled and are there to get paid. Average women not allowed.
I was always pretty sure that was the case. No way they all randomly turned up with the hair extensions and perky boobs.

[seabeyond]

106. i do for many reasons.

but, why i get pissed the most is the women are making fools of themselves allowing the men to objectify them and focus on teh boobs and ignore anything the women are saying (if they would only have a cause and say something). in all the conversations, it has never been about their issue, or even about the reasons this type of activism is harmful to the cause of women. but.... all about the boobs. only the boobs. these women reinforce that they are a body part and without voice.

that what pisses me off the most. and they know it. they know damn well what they are doing, and how it does nothing but hurt womens cause.

[seabeyond]

104. yes. there is what you say. really betty, that is the lamest, stupidest statement i have heard

and expecting people to buy it is just calling everyone an idiot.

[seabeyond]

103. "I guess flashing her boobs didn't help with that particular problem." and then there is that. lol

this is a hoot. lol

i mean. i thought the flashing the boobs was the answer to all of womens issues. you are funny redq.

[bettyellen]

105. It doesn't work so well when it's he who hold the purse, casts the photo ops....

I'm guessing we won't see an unedited transcript ever- because its going to take some serious cut and pasting to make sense out of this bullshit.

[seabeyond]

102. so tricky to be the victim, yet strong adn independent, and dependent all wrapped up in an excuse.

women are suppose to follow this woman? take her seriously.

that is a HORRIBLE excuse. HORRIBLE. it is such a bad excuse, it literally is NO excuse at all.

sitting here laughing my ass off

hey, i had no interest in reading the whole thing. so whatever she said?... wasnt much interested in the first place. certainly not interested now.

i guess it will be stevens job to coddler her, create her as victim, so we all feel sorry for her.

what was that inna???? calling other feminists a bunch of nasty names??? am i remembering right? cause i really do not put a lot of effort contorting to lies and greed, and manipulation.

[bettyellen]

119. Part of the interview is downloaded. I can't believe Steve is holding out and edited out the most

moronic stuff, darn! But it's such a puff piece, there's no doubt this is exactly what happened.

None of the challenges to the veracity of her other stories are brought up- not one. And he swallows the new story- that they dumped that guy last year- whole. Even though their own website has a story about him from a few weeks ago.
She has cuckolded our top reporter, LOL. He allowed all her lies to stand and sat there with a smile on his face.

[stevenleser]

123. None of the interview was edited. You assumed that with no evidence. nt

[bettyellen]

124. Then you lied when you said you asked her about her inconsistent stories?

You say you asked all the questions raised here, but did not even come close. I assumed you were telling the truth then.
Which is it?

[stevenleser]

126. Nice dodge of responsibility for an incorrect assumption. What inconsistent stories? Link? nt

[bettyellen]

132. You already have all the examples you need Steve, do you know ANYTHING about this group aside from

tits? Seems like you do not.

[stevenleser]

138. Hmmm, lets see, well, I've actually talked to them. You keep running into that point don't you?

Its interesting you keep bringing up their breasts. That's the only thing you see. That's the entire problem.

You're out to get them because of that. You're hopelessly biased against them.

[bettyellen]

140. it;s the FIRST time I mentioned tits. Only because you are willfully blind. So Inna and some gals

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had the idea to start Femen all on their own is the story, Steve? Or were the puppet strings always part of the design?
Did Inna lie to you, poor fella? Well, you should have done some reading, LOL.

"VS: To put it bluntly, we moved to Kiev to do…

AH: To create a movement here.

VS: We’re typical “conquests of the capital.” Like New York gets 10,000 people a day who want to live there. That’s exactly how we ended up in Kiev.

AH: We followed a standard plan—everything happens in the capital, through the capital. Everything is here.

VS: All the world’s events happen either in New York or Los Angeles. They don’t even happen in Washington. It’s normal.

We came here with a very precise goal: to start FEMEN. We always had plenty of fantasies and we always worked on those kinds of projects before FEMEN. Now we don’t do anything else. Now we have money. They give us money. We have sponsors—rich people not connected to politics. "

http://pineapplesandcaviar.wordpress.com/2011/08/15/anna-hutsol-and-vitaly-svyatsky-femen-kiev/


Funny you IMAGINED me talking about the tits, Steve. As funny as the pathetic tale of woe Inna tells while pretending to be empowered by the tactic she learned from Viktor. They are making fools of men like you all over the world.

[bettyellen]

146. Yeah, don't waste your bandwidth- unless you need a good laugh. It is pathetic for her to cry

victim and pretend Femen became something new. They are stil working off of Viktor's script. She must think people are morons.

[seabeyond]

148. arent people proving that is exactly what they are? i mean, .... ya know. nt

[Squinch]

129. Bahahahahahahahah!!!!!

...ahem... Really? Well that's just very surprising ...

.....pfft...bahahahahahahahaha

[bettyellen]

135. you have to hear her new interview- the most pathetic BS story ever.

she used to be used and abused up until.. a year (or five weeks) ago.... But NOW she is here to educate us! By spewing the same crap she did a year ago, LOL. Apparently, the brutal pig leader was right about everything. Meet the new Femen, same as the old Femen.

[Squinch]

139. I always said they had to be one of two things: either 1)geniuses who were doing

a performance art piece that showed how, with a certain segment of the population, all reason disappeared in the face of boobs or 2)a passel of idiots pandering to that same segment of the population.

I guess we know now which they are.

Either way, it never had anything to do with politics or religion or highlighting the plight of oppressed people.

[bettyellen]

141. 3) desperate to GTF outta Kiev and hopefully make some bucks without working, LOL.

Their rhetoric is idiotic, the results, not so much... they are mercenaries, and I really do enjoy how they make drooling idiots out of men who can normally think critically. But I don't think they are doing it for my amusement.