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WillyT

(72,631 posts)
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 08:16 PM Aug 2013

holy fuck...

Obama Willing to Pursue Solo Syria Strikes, Aides Say
By MARK LANDLER, DAVID E. SANGER, THOM SHANKER and MARK MAZZETTI - NYT
Published: August 29, 2013

<snip>

WASHINGTON — President Obama is prepared to move ahead with a limited military strike on Syria, administration officials said on Thursday, even with a rejection of such action by Britain’s Parliament, an increasingly restive Congress, and lacking an endorsement from the United Nations Security Council.

Although the officials cautioned that Mr. Obama had not made a final decision, all indications suggest that the strike could occur as soon as United Nations inspectors, who are investigating the Aug. 21 attack that killed hundreds of Syrians, leave the country. They are scheduled to depart Damascus, the capital, on Saturday.

The White House is to present its case for military action against Syria to Congressional leaders on Thursday night. Administration officials assert that the intelligence will show that forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad carried out the chemical weapons attack in the suburbs of Damascus.

The intelligence does not tie Mr. Assad directly to the attack, officials briefed on the presentation said, but the administration believes that it has enough evidence to carry out a limited strike that would deter the Syrian government from using these weapons again.

Mr. Obama, officials said, is basing his case for action both on...

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More: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/30/us/politics/obama-syria.html


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holy fuck... (Original Post) WillyT Aug 2013 OP
I doubt he will, though. TwilightGardener Aug 2013 #1
NYT was a leader for Iraq Invasion...Judith Miller and Bill Keller the Editor... KoKo Aug 2013 #6
I just don't see it happening--UNLESS there is something going on that we aren't privy to. TwilightGardener Aug 2013 #10
I wish I could share your optimism but I can't. n/t totodeinhere Aug 2013 #63
There are reports of evacuating refugees DearAbby Aug 2013 #65
Well, he has to earn that Peace Prize somehow... polichick Aug 2013 #2
'Although the officials cautioned that Mr. Obama had not made a final decision' spanone Aug 2013 #3
I cannot believe people have so little faith in the guy that killed Osama Bin Laden... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #4
I really hope you're right. polichick Aug 2013 #7
Huh? The SEALs have nothing to do with this. Link Speed Aug 2013 #9
"Sort of give it the go ahead"--uhhh...that's to the credit (or blame) of the Big Cheese. TwilightGardener Aug 2013 #12
exactly Twilight....this conversation is very very enlightening but not about what some will think VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #14
Who said Seals? He was the man that made THAT call VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #13
What is ODS? Link Speed Aug 2013 #15
whatevah dude...IF it had failed...HE would have taken the blame! So don't give me that shit.. VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #16
If it had failed, we would have never known Link Speed Aug 2013 #23
Of course we would....you think that many Seals would have remained silent? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #26
Of course they would Link Speed Aug 2013 #38
they are talking NOW and the DID succeed! VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #41
no matter....Jimmy has carried that ever since. Ask him if it was still a mark against "HIS" VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #28
The Special forces guy you are replying to obviously is nowhere near the brave Dragonfli Aug 2013 #42
ODS VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #17
LOL dionysus Aug 2013 #32
That was such a difficult call LittleBlue Aug 2013 #19
but if they failed....HE would have his entire legacy.....you know as LEADER of the U.S. of America. VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #20
You're right LittleBlue Aug 2013 #22
Whoa! Someone with a real-world view! Link Speed Aug 2013 #29
are you suggesting here that the President of the United states would have Seal Team Six "snuffed" VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #37
Yeah when getting out of bed means a huge scar on the fact that you are going down in history! VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #30
Are you saying the President was more worried about his political hide Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #54
not political hide...but one of the major return for investment becoming the first African American VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #57
Pretty big thing to carry don't you think? a generations ago.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #58
so you see...it's much more than his "political hide"... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #59
I guess I just don't look at the world that way. Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #61
I guess you don't....let me guess...White male? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #62
No, white female almost sixty years old and a retired nurse. Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #64
then shame....you cannot understand that... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #67
I am not the least bit ashamed of doing the right thing regardless Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #68
you cannot change the subject...sorry... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #69
I am not changing the subject and there is no need to answer this post Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #70
He is Not "Checking" ....twist my words all you want... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #71
Much more than YOUR reason for getting out of bed...huh? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #31
Oh wow LittleBlue Aug 2013 #36
nothing melting here.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #39
Hey Blue, is this "chairborne division" warrior your own pet troll or can anyone play with it? Dragonfli Aug 2013 #46
Ask Jimmy Carter about that call VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #21
yeah....he gambled the legacy of the first African American President on them... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #24
He didn't publicly announce that he had located Bin Laden and was going to teach him a lesson n2doc Aug 2013 #11
Yes he did! He said from the start....if he had the opportunity to take that man out he would.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #18
Well don't kill Osama and then make nice with AQ in Syria. David__77 Aug 2013 #27
did PBO ever say that was what he was going to do? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #35
Either it's warranted, or he's got no control over his administration David__77 Aug 2013 #43
WTF did you just even say? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #44
So all the media are lying. There are no real leaks? David__77 Aug 2013 #45
who said wait for "worst"....thats not the word I would use.. VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #47
Faith in a politician is a fool's lot. morningfog Aug 2013 #52
That is it in a nutshell. I have to keep learning it over and over because Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #60
Somehow I see this all ending up like his plan to cut SS n2doc Aug 2013 #5
I'm guessing an airstrike on Assad's Palace, along with airbases and military structures. adirondacker Aug 2013 #50
Evidence like this? Xipe Totec Aug 2013 #8
Here's a tin hat scenario.... defacto7 Aug 2013 #25
We have our agents who can go in there and capture them Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #33
Interesting scenario. Makes sense to take out the person responsible... polichick Aug 2013 #53
It's a done deal Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #34
Is he putting on his comfortable Cowboy Boots? Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #40
I am not sure but I heard from unconfirmed sources he has already ordered his XXXL sized codpiece Dragonfli Aug 2013 #49
What's amazing is how similar the Time's comment section resembles DU. adirondacker Aug 2013 #48
I wonder who will be down wind of the bombed chem storage site. n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #51
Yeah panader0 Aug 2013 #66
you can hardly believe it, can you? treestar Aug 2013 #55
LBJ? LBObama sounds like. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #56

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
6. NYT was a leader for Iraq Invasion...Judith Miller and Bill Keller the Editor...
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 08:31 PM
Aug 2013

We Shall See....

Dark of the MOON...a good time for Attack.

With that "Red Line"....How could he not do it before he leaves for the G-8 this Sunday? How better to shove it in Russia's Face?

It's an American "Labor Holiday"...it would be too tempting to do it while American's Minds are Elsewhere for the last Weekend of Summer.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
10. I just don't see it happening--UNLESS there is something going on that we aren't privy to.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 08:50 PM
Aug 2013

His cabinet isn't made up of people who would urge unilateral military action, except maybe Power.

DearAbby

(12,461 posts)
65. There are reports of evacuating refugees
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 11:16 PM
Aug 2013

causing great suffering, to be a bluff would be cruel. This is the guy who took a risk, doing what he deemed right for the country, ordering the Osama Bin Laden attack. Also recall the call regarding the pirates earlier in his term. I believe there is something that is compelling this man morally to do what he believes is right. I would just hope he would explain that clearly to the rest of us.

He needs to call congress back, show them what he has, then go to the UN and show them, Shame Russia and China, if this case is compelling enough. Then let congress vote. Have this be a joint venture. Lets actually use the constitution on this one.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
4. I cannot believe people have so little faith in the guy that killed Osama Bin Laden...
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 08:27 PM
Aug 2013

this guy is full of surprises...so we shall see. But I think he is going to stun some folks...

 

Link Speed

(650 posts)
9. Huh? The SEALs have nothing to do with this.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 08:50 PM
Aug 2013

The only thing BO had to do with the OBL deal was to sort of give it the go-ahead. He didn't plan it and he didn't carry it out.

And he OK'd Kill on Sight in order to keep OBL out of a courtroom.

The details of the raid that were initially released were nothing but propaganda.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
12. "Sort of give it the go ahead"--uhhh...that's to the credit (or blame) of the Big Cheese.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 08:53 PM
Aug 2013

That's why he gets the big bucks. Had it gone wrong and our troops died, he would have accepted the blame.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
14. exactly Twilight....this conversation is very very enlightening but not about what some will think
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 08:55 PM
Aug 2013

is enlightening about this.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
13. Who said Seals? He was the man that made THAT call
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 08:53 PM
Aug 2013

along with the call to take out those Somali pirates that kidnapped the ship capt call!

Hey Link....your ODS is showing!

 

Link Speed

(650 posts)
15. What is ODS?
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:02 PM
Aug 2013

I am a former SEAL (actually, UDT - before the SEAL tag came along). Giving the OK is far from the actual killing of a human being. BO did not find OBL, he did not scope the sit, he did not rope in or shoot the fucker. He simply authorized an op.

As a member of US Special Forces, I always despised the superiors who never put their balls on the chopping block.

And, what is ODS?

I am heading to a major Wine Event, but I will check your reply when I get back home.

Thanks, I am pretty new here and am not up on the acronyms (or whatever they are called).

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
16. whatevah dude...IF it had failed...HE would have taken the blame! So don't give me that shit..
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:05 PM
Aug 2013

He took the gamble on them knowing that. Jimmy Carter can explain it to ya better.

 

Link Speed

(650 posts)
23. If it had failed, we would have never known
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:13 PM
Aug 2013

October Surprise is what fucked Carter.

Reagan/Bush fucked Carter with inside info from CIA.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
26. Of course we would....you think that many Seals would have remained silent?
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:15 PM
Aug 2013

You cannot be serious... ODS is the only explanation.

 

Link Speed

(650 posts)
38. Of course they would
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:26 PM
Aug 2013

How many members (or ex-members) of US Special Forces do you know?

I would bet on "none".

The only problem I have with BO is the DOJ stance on weed and this Syria bullshit.

Oh, yeah, and not prosecuting members of the previous admin. But I think we are seeing why they took that stance in today's light.

I am serious, and I think you may have a lack of real-world knowledge.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
41. they are talking NOW and the DID succeed!
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:30 PM
Aug 2013

they write books and movies! I think it is YOU with a real world problem....


and in case you havent heard...!!PBO!! told the DOJ to stand down on weed. Is that lack of knowledge a symptom of your "real-world" problem?

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
28. no matter....Jimmy has carried that ever since. Ask him if it was still a mark against "HIS"
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:17 PM
Aug 2013

legacy...

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
42. The Special forces guy you are replying to obviously is nowhere near the brave
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:30 PM
Aug 2013

Commando and warhawk you are.

I know I respect the bravery and experience you possess as an elite member of the 101st Chiarborne Division.


Go screaming chicken-hawks!!

Sometimes the wimpy seal types are too deranged as you pointed out to recognize how much bravery it takes to sit in a chair and posture with the lives of their service brothers (that are rightfully considered nothing more than tools to make the civilian commander look tough).

Their derangement syndrome makes it impossible for them to see how brave and knowledgeable you are as well, after all, anyone can join the military and become one of the very few good enough to even qualify for SEAL training, how many can cheer on military action and get hard from the comfort of an office chair far away from the smell of blood you crave?

You are right, what does he know? he is just a tool to be used by superior hawks, obviously deranged if he does not take your sagely advice on war and military action, just who the fuck does he think he is anyway?

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
19. That was such a difficult call
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:08 PM
Aug 2013

I mean, the balls it took to "yes" to kill the world's most hated man.

He risked his political future on that one.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
20. but if they failed....HE would have his entire legacy.....you know as LEADER of the U.S. of America.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:11 PM
Aug 2013

you know...the first Black one too! He put that on the line....betting they would. So dont give me your ODS either.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
22. You're right
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:13 PM
Aug 2013

It was such a massive call, on par with getting out of bed in the morning.

Only a giant amongst men could have pulled that one off.

 

Link Speed

(650 posts)
29. Whoa! Someone with a real-world view!
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:17 PM
Aug 2013

We would not have heard a word if the entire Team had been snuffed.

But we did hear about OBL hiding behind women, etc.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
37. are you suggesting here that the President of the United states would have Seal Team Six "snuffed"
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:25 PM
Aug 2013

out as you put it? Is that really what you are suggesting here? Cause if that is the case...you really DO have ODS and I think you will be my very first DU ignore...you are sick. Check yourself.....you just disrespected the office...

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
30. Yeah when getting out of bed means a huge scar on the fact that you are going down in history!
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:18 PM
Aug 2013

Yeah....that kind of getting out of bed day!

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
54. Are you saying the President was more worried about his political hide
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 10:33 PM
Aug 2013

than the lives of the men he sent into danger to get OBL?

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
57. not political hide...but one of the major return for investment becoming the first African American
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 10:44 PM
Aug 2013

President...is you are going down in history...just is...

But if he failed....he soiled that and perhaps set back that progress another 50 yrs. You think that has no value?

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
58. Pretty big thing to carry don't you think? a generations ago....
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 10:48 PM
Aug 2013

he woulda been fighting for Civil Rights...

You don't think he should ever consider THAT legacy?

I am a female...and when Hillary becomes President....she has to carry that load too...Less than 100 years ago...women couldn't even vote.

I WANT her to take that very seriously!

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
61. I guess I just don't look at the world that way.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 10:54 PM
Aug 2013

I always try to do what is right and I have more times than I can count put myself way out on a limb to do that regardless of the consequences. I have not regretted it ever.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
64. No, white female almost sixty years old and a retired nurse.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 11:09 PM
Aug 2013

I am a wildlife rehabilitator and advocate. I put my license on the line multiple times advocating for my patients when it was the right thing to do. I did not evaluate first how it would affect my career. I did the right thing. It is how I am wired.
I advocate for wildlife and habitat now and in the same way.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
67. then shame....you cannot understand that...
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 11:41 PM
Aug 2013

my grandmother was born one month before women had the right to vote....she was born into a world where she was a second class citizen. I understand the importance of the first woman President and the legacy and how that effects ALL women from that day forward....the same is for African Americans now....like Oprah said...she felt like she could finally set down her suitcase. So for shame you cannot understand that....

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
68. I am not the least bit ashamed of doing the right thing regardless
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 11:50 PM
Aug 2013

of the cost to myself. This discussion is ridiculous on your part in that you have no idea what The President was thinking about. You are projecting what you think he considered in making the decision. I like to think he did the right thing without considering his legacy first. You make him out to be a man of little character with your version of his decision making. You can take your shaming somewhere else.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
69. you cannot change the subject...sorry...
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 12:00 AM
Aug 2013

its about the legacy and burden of being the first African American President and all that means to all generations of African Americans going forward. His legacy is very important. As will be the first female President...After this ceremonies of this past weekend and Yesterday how you cannot see that is beyond me!

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
70. I am not changing the subject and there is no need to answer this post
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 12:15 AM
Aug 2013

as I have nothing further to say to you. I also expect the first female president to do the right thing because hopefully she will have morals and character and will do so without having to check that it will affect her legacy first. Good grief! It is called character. It is called being a person of integrity.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
71. He is Not "Checking" ....twist my words all you want...
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 12:20 AM
Aug 2013

and also....I will answer if I want to...you are not going to control my conversation....

I said...he bet his legacy...which is a pretty big deal under the circumstances. So go back where you came from....your ODS is duly noted

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
31. Much more than YOUR reason for getting out of bed...huh?
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:21 PM
Aug 2013

100 yrs from now...no one will be even thinking about LittleBlue....

but they will STILL be TALKING about President Barack Obama....he was betting with WHAT they would be talking about him!

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
39. nothing melting here....
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:27 PM
Aug 2013

but you can pretend that you "did some damage" if it makes your little heart feel better....I don't mind at all.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
46. Hey Blue, is this "chairborne division" warrior your own pet troll or can anyone play with it?
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:36 PM
Aug 2013

Never mind, it appears to want to entertain us without requiring much response. Comedy meltdown is comedic.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
24. yeah....he gambled the legacy of the first African American President on them...
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:14 PM
Aug 2013

get how ballsy that is now?

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
11. He didn't publicly announce that he had located Bin Laden and was going to teach him a lesson
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 08:52 PM
Aug 2013

Obama seems like a different person now, after 2012. He has done the same thing with Snowden, sounding belligerent, threatening countries without any real chance of getting his way, and letting his administration run a bunch of actions that he doesn't seem really in control of. That's why I have lost faith in him. If he had quietly worked out a plan and implemented it, like with Bin Laden, then maybe this would work.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
18. Yes he did! He said from the start....if he had the opportunity to take that man out he would....
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:08 PM
Aug 2013

and he knew if they failed....it was his burden to bare....It would negatively impact his entire legacy. So don't give me that shit either...more ODS

David__77

(23,220 posts)
27. Well don't kill Osama and then make nice with AQ in Syria.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:16 PM
Aug 2013

That's all I'm saying. Making the wrong move here will undo the good.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
35. did PBO ever say that was what he was going to do?
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:23 PM
Aug 2013

I haven't heard about any summit have you? I think you underestimate that man to your own peril.

David__77

(23,220 posts)
43. Either it's warranted, or he's got no control over his administration
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:31 PM
Aug 2013

His spokespersons and SOS have been speaking crazy talk like warmaniacs.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
44. WTF did you just even say?
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:32 PM
Aug 2013

that's incoherent...

We do not know what he has planned....he hasn't said yet.

David__77

(23,220 posts)
45. So all the media are lying. There are no real leaks?
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:36 PM
Aug 2013

Two-day strikes against military and security infrastructure. It's all over the place.

By your definition, we should all twiddle our thumbs and wait for the worst... or, to be fair, the best. NO - we must demand the best.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
47. who said wait for "worst"....thats not the word I would use..
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:37 PM
Aug 2013

but then I am more of a glass half full gal....and I dont have ODS

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
60. That is it in a nutshell. I have to keep learning it over and over because
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 10:51 PM
Aug 2013

I really want to give that faith and not have it destroyed but that is not the real world.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
5. Somehow I see this all ending up like his plan to cut SS
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 08:29 PM
Aug 2013

In the end, nothing will happen, although the most outrageous plans will be floated in the meantime by anonymous sources. And the cheerleaders will return with their "He never did anything of the sort" chants.


I just don't see him going it alone, like W, on this. Even Britain isn't going to go along. Congress won't go along because the repubs will never want to give Obama anything he wants. Not unless something worse happens over there.

adirondacker

(2,921 posts)
50. I'm guessing an airstrike on Assad's Palace, along with airbases and military structures.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:57 PM
Aug 2013

from the article...
"But administration officials made clear that the eroding support would not deter Mr. Obama in deciding to go ahead with a strike. Pentagon officials said that the Navy had now moved a fifth destroyer into the eastern Mediterranean Sea. Each ship carries dozens of Tomahawk cruise missiles that would probably be the centerpiece of any attack on Syria.

Even before the parliamentary vote, White House officials said, Mr. Obama decided there was no way he could overcome objections by Russia, Syria’s longtime backer, to any resolution in the Security Council.

Although administration officials cautioned that Mr. Obama had not made a final decision, all indications suggest that a strike could occur soon after United Nations investigators charged with scrutinizing the Aug. 21 attack leave the country. They are scheduled to depart Damascus on Saturday."

He sounds pretty determined to get involved. Hopefully I'm wrong.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
25. Here's a tin hat scenario....
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:14 PM
Aug 2013

FYI, I am against military intervention.

(tin hat)

OB doesn't simply shoot the missiles at usual targets. The target is specifically Assad's brother who is the one probably responsible for the chemical attack. Assad's brother is the one who actually calls the shots in that country as the supreme military commander and does not follow orders from anyone. He's a loose gun and Assad the ruler hates him. So the US takes out the brother and his cronies then Assad the ruler makes a deal with the west to remain in power with revisions in their "constitution" or whatever it is to allow some form of democracy. There are other enemies in Syria that Assad will have to deal with but now he will have the backing of the west.

(/tin hat)

Just a thought. I still want no part of it.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
53. Interesting scenario. Makes sense to take out the person responsible...
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 10:33 PM
Aug 2013

and, since he's not head of state, it could work. Better than killing innocents.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
34. It's a done deal
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:23 PM
Aug 2013

Big Oil says, "Go in" and being the obedient servant that he is, we'll go in. Most likely within 10 days and with no consultation with Congress.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
49. I am not sure but I heard from unconfirmed sources he has already ordered his XXXL sized codpiece
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:47 PM
Aug 2013

for the appropriate photo OP.

The rumor is it will make Tweety tingle like never before (there may even be visible stains this time, Bush never got visible stains)!

adirondacker

(2,921 posts)
48. What's amazing is how similar the Time's comment section resembles DU.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:38 PM
Aug 2013

A lot of angst for the President.

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