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Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:50 AM

Syria isn't about money or corporations or the MIC.

It's pure, naked, unvarnished American Presidential Dick-Swinging. Reagan did it, Clinton did it, both Bushes did it. It is bipartisan.

Obama said where his red line was, he thinks they crossed it, and he will look like a wuss if he doesn't crack skulls. Period. Paragraph.

Everyone else is just along for the ride. If he attacks, he will literally be doing Al Qaeda a favor. But that doesn't matter, since dick-swinging is the rationale for any attack.

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Reply Syria isn't about money or corporations or the MIC. (Original post)
Dreamer Tatum Aug 2013 OP
Scuba Aug 2013 #1
Dreamer Tatum Aug 2013 #2
Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #3
Dreamer Tatum Aug 2013 #6
Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #15
Dreamer Tatum Aug 2013 #18
Dash87 Aug 2013 #17
Dreamer Tatum Aug 2013 #19
woo me with science Aug 2013 #22
Dreamer Tatum Aug 2013 #23
woo me with science Aug 2013 #24
Dreamer Tatum Aug 2013 #25
woo me with science Aug 2013 #28
snooper2 Aug 2013 #31
Whisp Aug 2013 #26
leveymg Aug 2013 #4
The Magistrate Aug 2013 #5
Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #9
bobduca Aug 2013 #7
cali Aug 2013 #8
tridim Aug 2013 #10
Dreamer Tatum Aug 2013 #13
jeff47 Aug 2013 #30
tridim Aug 2013 #32
leftstreet Aug 2013 #11
Dreamer Tatum Aug 2013 #14
Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #12
Initech Aug 2013 #16
woo me with science Aug 2013 #20
Dreamer Tatum Aug 2013 #21
woo me with science Aug 2013 #27
Downwinder Aug 2013 #29
DevonRex Aug 2013 #33
Rex Aug 2013 #36
DevonRex Aug 2013 #37
Rex Aug 2013 #38
DevonRex Aug 2013 #39
MineralMan Aug 2013 #34
Bake Aug 2013 #35

Response to Dreamer Tatum (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:51 AM

1. Nah, it's about oil and weapon sales.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:52 AM

2. Those are effects, not causes. nt

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:52 AM

3. Obama doesn't seem like that type of man to be honest that you describe

I think the MIC has been pushing for this outcome for a while.

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Response to Harmony Blue (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:56 AM

6. Explain how the MIC authorizes an attack, please.

Be specific.

Tell me how this mythical "MIC" pulls Obama's strings? He's not running for reelection.

I am so fucking sick of bullshit excuses like "TPTB," the "MIC," or the "PNAC" being used to obscure the fact that
the President is the one who makes the goddamn fucking decision to attack.

The POTUS. President Barack Hussein Obama. Not some bullshit construct like the "MIC."

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #6)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 11:06 AM

15. He makes the decision

but he is heavily influenced by the MIC. I honestly don't think Obama makes that red line comment if he wasn't pressured by the MIC lobbyists.

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Response to Harmony Blue (Reply #15)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 11:09 AM

18. Oh BULLSHIT


The "MIC" is a horseshit construct used when someone doesn't have the balls to put blame where it belongs. He ran on ending the wars and got elected, and he doesn't have a reelection ahead of him, so tell me how this "man of principle" can be swayed?

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #6)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 11:07 AM

17. Industry lobbies the government, which in turn

influences both parties, which in turn influence the President. Obama can't go it alone and needs the support of his constituents. These constituents are defense industry lobbying targets.

That's why they were ecstatic when Cheney was VP from 2000 - 2008. They had one of their own in office, and even worse GWB was a malleable dumbass.

There's a huge contingent that actively lobbies to make conditions more favorable for defense contracts. It's in their interest to be at war. Iraq and Afghanistan were very profitable, and Syria could be too. It's a totally new market they want to open up, with American blood as an investment.

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Response to Dash87 (Reply #17)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 11:11 AM

19. So in other words, his anti-war stance was complete bullshit.

He should now give the Nobel back, at a minimum.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #6)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 11:15 AM

22. Bwah!

Unfucking real.

You guys need new writers.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #22)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 11:16 AM

23. Your support for the upcoming attack is duly noted, Burger King. nt

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #23)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 11:18 AM

24. Huh?

Ah....

War is Peace!
Freedom is Slavery!
Ignorance is Strength!



God, this neocon, oops...neolib....shit gets old.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #24)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 11:18 AM

25. You're making exactly zero sense. Go play. nt

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #25)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 11:28 AM

28. Bwah!

Oh, that's priceless.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #23)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 01:47 PM

31. when an attack doesn't happen you promise to post an OP

 

admitting you were wrong, careless in your postings, and in general will try to think things through more clearly?

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Response to Harmony Blue (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 11:24 AM

26. let's not forget Betrayus and Hillary were chomping for Syria way back...

 

and let's not forget Hoss Cartwright, the guy who tattled on cyber intervention on Iran's nukes.

Obama has a lot to contend with with the people in the shadows.

Let's also not forget Hillary is supposedly slotted for one of those very nice paying speeches at the Carlyle Group. Let's not kid ourselves, these little speechie things are Bribes.

One of these things is not like all the others - and that is President Obama. He is trying to do what is best, with what he has - I am convinced of that. The forces against him are pretty strong tho, that is why I am not going to shit all over him, because he is the best chance we have ever had to make some wrongs right.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:52 AM

4. Dick swinging and double-agents led to 9/11 and all that followed. No thanx

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:55 AM

5. Pretty Much Right, Sir

The situation illustrates the main problem with making public threats --- you have to follow through if called.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #5)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:58 AM

9. +1

 

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:57 AM

7. Yes, he's defending the notion of "US CREDIBILITY"

that much vaunted substance that spurs presidents into useless actions because RED LINES!

How will future presidents lie us into war if not to save our CREDIBILITY

If he doesn't attack that ineluctable CREDIBILITY will be somehow immeasurably reduced and we will all be poorer for it.

or something equally bullshitty.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:57 AM

8. I think that's the biggest piece of it.

 

and he's got this big honking dick (U.S. military) to swing

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:58 AM

10. On Neo-DU, the obvious complexity of Syria is being used to trash Democrats... First and often.

Nice capitalization on "Dick" BTW. So sneaky, and so pathetically Neo-DU.

Fantastic job DT! You must be so proud.

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Response to tridim (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 11:02 AM

13. If it's so complex, why not find out who gassed the civilians first?

Yeah...we who don't support any sort of attack just can't see the "nuance" that makes Obama and Biden's previous
rants about constitutionality inapplicable.

Here's how fucking complex Syria is: It's OK If You're A Democrat.

You live in that world. I won't.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #13)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 01:45 PM

30. Well, one side has chemical weapons and the rockets that were used to deploy them

The other side doesn't have chemical weapons nor the rockets that were used to deploy them.

Boy, it's going to take quite an investigation to figure out who used chemical weapons!

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #13)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 02:05 PM

32. Finding out what happened is exactly what the admin is doing. nt

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 11:00 AM

11. If President Hillary does it, what do we call it?

I agree with you, by the way

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #11)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 11:05 AM

14. Just as stupid, I know that much. nt

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 11:01 AM

12. Being "tough" on bogeymen got us glorious wars in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan...

 

Not to mention countless dead all over the world when we decided to "help" them.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 11:07 AM

16. It's not about the money???

*cue South Park style rabbling*

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 11:14 AM

20. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

Nooooo, it has nothing to do with money or the MIC.


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Response to woo me with science (Reply #20)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 11:15 AM

21. Cause and effect: they're different.

And I thought being high was a good thing? Guess not.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #21)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 11:26 AM

27. "I thought being high was a good thing."

The Third Way loves to talk to liberals like that, don't they? You are really going to the bank today.

(I thought I would use a metaphor you might appreciate. Get it? "Bank"?)



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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 12:26 PM

29. Fighting the Axis of EVIL!

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 02:08 PM

33. Do you have to use sexist language? Surely you could have made this point

without it.

Believe it or not, the world is much more complicated than what's in people's pants.

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Response to DevonRex (Reply #33)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 02:33 PM

36. No no it is dick wagging all over the planet.

 

Why can't you accept other people's incredibly stupid opinions!?

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Response to Rex (Reply #36)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 02:38 PM

37. Oh lord, the image I just got!

How can I watch Chuck Todd on MSNBC now????

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Response to DevonRex (Reply #37)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 02:39 PM

38. HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

 

Good thing I am out of soda...otherwise it would be all over the monitor!

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Response to Rex (Reply #38)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 02:54 PM

39. :-)

All I could do was stare at the floor after I looked up and there he was on TV holding his microphone.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 02:09 PM

34. You're incorrect. It is about oil.

and oil is about money and corporations.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 02:31 PM

35. Rule No. 1: Don't mark a bright red line unless you're willing to act

if the other party crosses that line.

Obama boxed himself in.

Bake

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