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Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:24 PM

 

Ted Cruz is not a legal US citizen

Ted Cruz is not a legal US citizen and he NOT a dual citizen.

To be a dual citizen a person must be active in both countries, like doing business or having an active role in both countries. Ted Cruz does not fit that requirement. I was born in Canada & I'm now a LEGAL citizen of the US. I am NOT eligible to be a dual citizen because I am not in business or playing an active role in both countries. Merely visiting Canada does not qualify me OR Ted Cruz to have dual citizenship. Every media source except The Young Turks are ignorant of the citizenship process.

Ted Cruz's parents FAILED to complete an FS-240 form in Canada to state their son was born to an American mother. Because of this (and subsequent failings described below) Ted Cruz is NOT automatically a US citizen.

Ref: http://travel.state.gov/law/family_issues/birth/birth_593.html

Ted Cruz also FAILED to apply for US citizenship through the naturalization process where one must first apply, get a background check, give an oath rejecting his allegiance to all foreign nations & stating his allegiance to the US and THEN RECEIVING a US Certificate of Citizenship. Ted Cruz does not have a US Certificate of Citizenship or he would have produced it immediately. Therefore, Cruz is not a legal US citizen.

Ted Cruz (and his parents), by NOT fulfilling any of the requirements to be a US citizen is not only NOT a US citizen, but he also is ineligible to even be a US senator and should be forced to resign.

The Constitution, Article 1, Section 3 states anyone who becomes a US senator MUST be a citizen NINE years BEFORE accepting office. Ted Cruz DID NOT fulfill that requirement. That is obvious because Ted Cruz has NO documentation REQUIRED to be a US citizen. Those documents are the FS-240 form that was supposed to be filed out after his birth, a passport that his parents should have applied for when Ted Cruz was a baby or a US Certificate if Citizenship.

In addition to Cruz's non-US citizen status he is also guilty of voting illegally in US elections because he IS NOT a US citizen and because he failed to fulfill any of the US laws to become a US citizen. By voting illegally Ted Cruz subjected himself to US election laws and should be punished for each violation.

I wish the media would exert even a minimum of effort to obtain facts before making false equivalencies by comparing Cruz's situation to Obama's and repeatedly using the term liberal birthers. This is a legal issue but no one in the main stream media is treating this as such.

As an ex-Canadian I was REQUIRED to apply for US citizenship through the naturalization process. Since one of my parents was an American I was entitled to become a US citizen, but there are laws to comply with in order to become a legal citizen. No one born outside the US is automatically a US citizen just because one of their parents is an American. Legal steps must be taken as I've described in this article to become a legal citizen.

My parents did not complete a FS-240 form (as Ted Cruz's parents failed to do) so as an adult I was required to do it myself. I had to apply for citizenship, have background checks performed, take an oath affirming my only allegiance was to the US and then ultimately receiving a CERTIFICATE OF US CITIZENSHIP. I did what US law required. Ted Cruz and his parents, did not.

Because Ted Cruz FAILED to comply with US laws before or after entry into the United States he is therefore NOT a legal US citizen.


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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:25 PM

1. He clearly hates Americans.

Pretty sure he should be snatched up by the NSA.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:26 PM

2. Ridiculous... A child born to a US citizen parent, is a US citizen

(as much as I detest defending Cruz's citizenship or anything else about this cretin)

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:05 PM

52. With you on all points.

 

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:54 PM

93. Do you think that all of the children fathered by our GI's all over the world are US citizens?

 

In case you do, do you think that they are natural born US citizens?

Cruz is a natural born Canadian citizen.

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Response to Little Milly (Reply #93)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:03 PM

96. Cruz, regardless of how Canada defines him, is a US citizen... Kindly do some reading...

This is embarrassing to see so many spew RW ignorant birther talking points.


As pointed out repeatedly on this thread:

8 USC 1401(g) defines the relevant conditions for US citizenship, at birth, abroad:


8 USC § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

...

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years

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Those conditions were met and Cruz was a citizen "at birth".



And, yes, children born to US GIs CAN and DO make a case for citizenship when paternity is established. The problem comes when their parent denies having fathered them and during and following Vietnam proving otherwise was damned near impossible.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #109)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:33 PM

112. Cruz' birth was registered with the US consulate and he received US passport in '86 as teen

I think you are confusing "legal status as a citizen" with the bureaucratic steps one must take to gain a passport and document one's citizenship, if born abroad.... Cruz was a legal citizen at birth.

Dated a month after his birth on Dec. 22, 1970, it shows that Rafael Edward Cruz was born to Rafael Bienvenido Cruz, a “geophysical consultant” born in Matanzas, Cuba, and the former Eleanor Elizabeth Wilson, born in Wilmington, Del.

Her status made the baby a U.S. citizen at birth. For that, U.S. law required at least one parent who was a U.S. citizen who had lived for at least a decade in the United States.

She registered his birth with the U.S. consulate, Frazier said, and the future senator received a U.S. passport in 1986 ahead of a high school trip to England.


http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20130818-dual-citizenship-may-pose-problem-if-ted-cruz-seeks-presidency.ece

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #112)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 07:03 PM

149. Catherine Frazier LOL

 

"Cruz spokeswoman Catherine Frazier initially told the Dallas newspaper". LOLOL, so a CRUZ paid spokeswoman alleged that Ted Cruz's mother applied with the Canadian consulate. But just saying something happened with absolutely no proof doesn't substantiate anything especially if the person is being paid to say whatever they are told like Frazier. Until they produce documented proof that Ted Cruz's mother submitted the proper paperwork on time to the proper authorities then anything said by the paid spokesperson should be considered unverified, not conclusive or dishonest.

It's pathetic 'journalism' by the Dallas newspaper to not include that evidence but I'm not surprised since Texas corporate newspapers rarely, if ever, print anything that would harm a republican.

As far as the passport is concerned it should've been applied for at the time of Ted Cruz's birth. Fourteen years after birth and ten years after Ted Cruz left Canada is too late to obtain citizenship using that method. If Ted Cruz's spokesperson is relying on a 14 years too late passport as evidence Ted Cruz is a US citizen then she is either ignorant or dishonest.

I have no idea why you choose to have your opinion shaped entirely on speculation over someone like myself who went through the legal process to become a YS citizen. As a former Canadian citizen I did NOT become a US citizen until I received a Certificate of US Citizenship. I received it because I had to apply for it because that is what US law requires. Until Cruz proves his mother filed a FS240 form with the consulate or applied for a passport for her newborn then Cruz cannot be considered a citizen based entirely on heresay. Would you accept heresay evidence in any important matter?

Regardless of how many times you claim something to be true doesn't affect the legal realities that must exist for a matter to be verified. And if Ted Cruz's mother failed to submit any paperwork required for the US to grant Cruz citizenship then Cruz is not a US citizen no matter how many times people yell 'birther!" at a person who is only presenting facts and has actual experience gaining US citizenship legally.

I was born in Canada & now I have a Certificate of US Citizenship, but I am not a dual citizen. The number of people who are misinformed about what is required to be a dual citizen is truly sad. And what makes it even sadder is they are basing everything on absolutely zero facts. I was born in Canada and that fact alone does not make me or anyone else a dual citizen.



"The uninformed are a threat to the future of any society because they can be tricked into believing anything." - Anonymous


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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Reply #149)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 07:15 PM

152. His registration /w US consulate would be readily available for checking..I do not believe that you

have the facts to claim what you are claiming vis-a-vis Cruz, regardless of your own experiences. Your assumption that the Dallas Daily news did not check their facts is an assumption that you are not in a position to know and which would be premised on a bluff by Cruz that would be beyond risky-- precisely because it would NOT be hard to fact check and he knows the issue is under scrutiny.

What I do know is that children born to at least a single US citizen that meets the criteria as repeatedly posted in my previous posts (and in those of multiple others here) are US citizens and merely need to register their birth with the consulate. I know this because two of my cousins went through that very process--both born to one US citizen parent overseas.

As to your point about his passport, that is bunk:

All land and sea travelers to the US, regardless of age were required to have a passport when a 2009 law went into effect. The one exclusion was US-Canadian children under the age of 15, who could travel with their parents and their birth certificate. Prior to 2009, passports for infants were not routinely required.


https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/724/~/children--travel-documents-for-infants


No, you do NOT have facts on your side and your determination to make this a "LW BIrther" issue is why so many are calling you on this.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #152)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 01:15 PM

166. Thank you. It's like arguing with a mentally ill person. I, and you, and others have posted

the laws relevant to Cruz, pointed out that he has a US passport (they don't give those out to non-citizens), etc., etc., and this moron ignores it all.

Personally, I'd like to see this person tombstoned simply for being unable to reason his way out of a paper bag.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #152)

Mon Aug 26, 2013, 01:48 PM

169. Where's the document?

 

Do you really believe that if the Dallas paper had the document they wouldn't publish it? Really? And as for Cruz bluffing, hummm. Haven't you ever detected any arrogance from Cruz? People that arrogant and aloof feel they can get away with anything, like stating publicly they are renouncing their Canadian citizenship. No one can just publicly renounce their citizenship. It must be done formally. You know, with paperwork and stuff. It would be like me renouncing my citizenship as a Klingon. LOL. Except in Cruz's case, until ANY proof is released, he is STILL a Canadian citizen and NOT a US citizen until he follows US law as I did.

What is your problem with me citing the exact procedure to becoming a legal US citizen? And why do you discount the process I had to go through to become a US citizen even though one of my parents was American? If you have no idea about the procedures to become a citizen by actually going through the process how can you discount what I am writing? What is your motive? Mine from the start has been to simply state the process I had to go through. You can deny it all you want but I have a Certificate of Citizenship to prove my point. What do you have?

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Reply #169)

Mon Aug 26, 2013, 01:50 PM

170. ^^More nonsense from someone who has been repeatedly discounted by numerous DUers facts

Normally, I'd put him on ignore, as I'm sure most here have, but I do not intend to let this kind of factless claim with respect to Cruz mark DUers as hypocritical as are the ridiculous anti-Obama BIRTHERS.

I would encourage others not to allow this to stand, either. We are not and will not be driven to adopt the factless tactics of RW birthers.
There appears to be a concerted effort on the "RW" (National Review and elsewhere) to paint Liberal/progressives as the ones promoting birtherism re: Cruz, as pointed out here:

The Conservatives would like folks to believe that presidential eligibility nuttery is an equal-opportunity employer with the right attacking Obama and the left attacking Cruz, but it ain’t so. The folks on the right are ones attacking both candidates, and the folks on the left are gleefully watching the folks on the right making fools of themselves.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/05/nro-faux-left-cruz-birthers/

While this poster may not be intentionally trying to accomplish this, I'd advise other DUers not to allow his factless claims to go uncountered, nonetheless--tedious as that might be.

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Response to Little Milly (Reply #93)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:52 PM

121. If you take it to it's logical end, then yes!

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Response to Little Milly (Reply #93)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 05:39 PM

141. No there is a double standard there.

But Cruz does meet the qualifications.

His mother was a citizen at the time of his birth and had spent the required amount of time living here.

Those GI's kids SHOULD be citizens too, but because of this double standard, they are not.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:32 PM

111. No

My father American, mother Portuguese, born on a us base in Bermuda, had to take oath and have naturalization papers as a child in early 60's when we returned to states

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Response to Mojorabbit (Reply #111)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:34 PM

113. You are mistaking the hoops to obtain documentation and passports with the legal status, which you

were born with... Read the posts above and the following... Cruz has a passport, his birth was registered with the US consulate by his mother and is a documented legal US citizen.

As pointed out repeatedly on this thread:

8 USC 1401(g) defines the relevant conditions for US citizenship, at birth, abroad:


8 USC § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

...

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years

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Those conditions were met and Cruz was a citizen "at birth".

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #113)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:39 PM

115. I had a military passport as born on an American AF base

back then but I was around 8 or 9 when we returned stateside and I had to take a test and go before a judge and swear an oath. I did it at the same time as my mother. Perhaps they have changed the law. I have naturalization papers.

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Response to Mojorabbit (Reply #115)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:43 PM

118. Perhaps the military had different instructions, but generally all your Mom should have had to do

was register your birth with the US consulate and you should not have had to go through a naturalization ceremony...

I know this to be the case with two of my cousins--both born to (civilian) US citizens working overseas. Both have received social security numbers as well.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #118)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 03:35 PM

131. It may have been different way back when but it was not uncommon.This was

in the early 60s. I have known a lot of military kids in my lifetime that had to go the same route.
Like Cruz only one of my parents were American at my birth.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #113)

Mon Aug 26, 2013, 12:43 PM

167. Ok, last time

 

You cite no direct knowledge of the process. You have no idea what specific steps are required. I specifically said my circumstances were identical to Cruz's but I still had to file for citizenship and I have a Certificate of Citizenship. Cruz does not. And to take hearsay from a Cruz paid spokeswoman that Cruz's mother filed the paperwork then your threshold for truth or facts is very low. It is shameless (non) journalism by the Dallas paper who merely repeated what Cruz's mother (or Ted Cruz) said without using the Freedom of Information Act to find the document (if it exists) that would prove she did file a form similar to the FS240 form. Until that document surfaces then all the naysayers are as fact-challenged as that Dallas newspaper that required zero proof. Don't you believe a US senator should be legally eligible to hold that office? Or do you believe anyone should be allowed to make up anything and have it stand as 'fact'?

Those in this thread equating me to a birther are being truly ridiculous and by them to say anything with no knowledge or facts to back up their allegations is disturbing. For years, I've fought against conservatives and libertarians who all walk in lockstep away from reality and facts and I'm seeing the same behavior here by many. I like people who even attempt to pursue truth.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Reply #167)

Mon Aug 26, 2013, 01:06 PM

168. I and countless others here have provided the citations and links. YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY

given you have endlessly been proven wrong and failed to address those who have exposed your absolute erroneous claims.

NO CREDIBILITY WHATSOEVER, which rightfully leads most of us to wonder re: your REAL motivations in stirring this crap here.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 03:08 PM

123. Both my sons were born in Mexico, you have to apply for citizenship.

All you have for paperwork is a Mexican birth certificate, that doesn't prove you are an American citizen.
I filled out the forms, paid $95 each and got the official INS paperwork.
Even with the Mexican birth certificate, it just states the name and dob of parents, not what citizenship they are.

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Response to vinny9698 (Reply #123)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 03:21 PM

127. Legal status versus the steps rquired to document that status are two different things...

i.e., the steps required to gain a SS number and passport, among other things.

Having met the requirements as clearly laid out in a dozen or more posts above, all Cruz' mom had to do was register his birth at the US consulate, which she did.

There are many advanced elderly in this country, born in this country to two US citizen parents, who, if born at home may not have a birth certificate, despite needing it today for so many things. Most of these people likely hold SS numbers, as issuance was pretty automatic in previous decades. So, while they may not be "officially registered" as citizens of the US, they would be recognized as such should that citizenship ever be questioned . So, legally they are citizens, but without the documentation, they have to go through many hoops, should they wish to get a passport, (or given many new ugly voting laws, to gain access to the polls).

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Response to vinny9698 (Reply #123)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 06:24 PM

144. My birth certificate states my mother is Austrian and my father was American

I also have a State Department form DS-1350 which is a certificate of birth making me an American citizen by birth.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #144)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 07:09 PM

150. Thanks for your input

 

Your experience is exactly why I wrote the OP. Your parents followed the law and submitted the proper paperwork to become a legal US citizen. If they had not done that then you would've experienced additional hurdles to become a legal US citizen. And your story also substantiates my claim that no foreign-born baby is automatically an American without its parents following the legal process.

Thanks.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 06:45 PM

147. Truthbknown, I've got to agree with you on this one

 

The OP is wrong.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:26 PM

3. Very interesting.

 

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:27 PM

4. You are as wrong as a birther

He was a US citizen the second he was born to a US citizen. Now, the stupid "natural" citizen part can be debated until the end of time but he IS a US citizen.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:29 PM

10. Apparently someone wants others to spout nonsense


8 USC 1401(g) says you are correct - Ted Cruz was born to a US citizen mother in Canada (who had satisfied the previous US residency requirements).

The post is obvious and utter concocted bullshit. The only question is why it is being posted.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:46 PM

84. The summer of 2013, trollmageddon!

 

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #84)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:52 PM

91. It should be "Troll-nado"...

... it has a hipper, 2013 ambiance! And holy crap, they're flying all over the place!!!

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 03:16 PM

126. You need paperwork to prove your citizenship.

When asked you show your birth certificate, on your birth certificate it has your parents, their dob but not their citizenship. Just look at your own birth certificate. Same thing with a Canadian birth certificate. My kids were born in Mexico, I had to apply for citizenship

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Response to vinny9698 (Reply #126)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 04:29 PM

138. My parents birthplace is noted on my BC

My father was born in Kentucky, my mother in Michigan.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 03:36 PM

132. because for some reason, people who are wrong, are much bolder than people who are correct

for the life of me, i cannot explain the phenomenon, but it's the most maddening aspect of DU.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #132)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 04:09 PM

135. That explains a lot.

nt

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Response to pintobean (Reply #135)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 04:21 PM

137. whom are you criticizing here? myself or the OP who is posting nonsense?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 04:20 PM

136. Yes. Correct.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:29 PM

11. Don't know..

just looked this information up on google and guess what..it may be correct.


http://travel.state.gov/law/family_issues/birth/birth_593.html

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Response to EC (Reply #11)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:31 PM

15. You got one thing right - "Don't know" - No, you don't

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #15)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:49 PM

31. That's what I said. n/t

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Response to EC (Reply #11)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:37 PM

21. Or it may not

what was the operative law regarding acquisition of citizenship through US citizen parents in 1970, when Cruz was born? (There's that pesky bit in the Constitution about ex post facto laws.)

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #21)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:46 PM

85. laws can confer rights, including citizenship, retroactively.

the constitutional prohibition on ex post facto laws essentially means the government can't criminalize something that was legal at the time. so, they can't post a 65 mph speed limit, clock you going 63, then pass a law changing the limit to 55mph and then give you a ticket for going 8mph over.

however, if the caught you doing 63 in a 65mph zone, they certainly could pass a law saying changing the limit to 55mph *starting the day of your speedy travel* and you've no longer have to pay any fine.

silly example i know, but it serves the purpose.


in any case there's nothing preventing the government from conferring citizenship retroactively.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:40 PM

23. Cite any law to counter what I stated.

 

You can call people names but the intelligent thing to do would be to at least research an issue before mindlessly responding with zero facts and zero knowledge.

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Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:48 PM

30. Interesting..

Account status: Active
Member since: Wed Jul 7, 2004, 11:28 AM
Number of posts: 36
Number of posts, last 90 days: 12
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I think a bridge would accessorize this poster quite nicely.

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Response to one_voice (Reply #30)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:52 PM

35. This is pure manure spreading

The object of the game is to get people on our side to start spouting this intentionally misleading horseshit.

Just yesterday a poster with a similar profile and username style was tombstoned. Makes you think.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Reply #23)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:23 PM

106. Section 301(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act refutes the entire argument. He's a citizen.

The law outlining citizenship requirements prior to 1986 for a child born of an American mother overseas states: "A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth"

Note the words "AT BIRTH". Not "when the paperwork is turned in" or "when the naturalization process is finished".

1. The American parent must have resided within the US for a minimum of 10 years during their lifetime, 5 of which have to be after the age of 14.

2. The parent must be genetically related to the child.

And that's it. There are no other requirements. While the government may have paperwork that they want the parents to fill out, that's merely recordkeeping. Citizenship itself is granted the moment the umbilical cord is cut.

http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_5199.html
http://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB/HTML/SLB/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-29/0-0-0-9696.html (note, this is the post-1986 version of the law, which shortened the residency period to 5 years...it was 10 when Cruz was born).


This entire argument smacks of poor research. It took me all of 5 minutes to Google the relevant laws and confirm that the original argument was bogus.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 03:12 PM

124. How do you prove you are an American citizen?

By showing a foreign birth certificate. Both my sons were born in Mexico, I had to submit paperwork to get the INS forms proving American citizenship.
On my sons Mexican birth certificates, father and mother are listed, dob of both and that is it. It doesn't state what citizenship nor where parents were born.
Check your birth certificate, it states your dad and mom, dob, not what citizenship parents are.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 06:31 AM

164. So then why was the man born in Hawaii of an American Mother

not accepted as a legitimate American citizen?

Oh yes his other parent is African.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:27 PM

5. This would be great.

Hope this is correct.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:27 PM

6. too funny...

Arrest that guy and send him to Cuba.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:27 PM

7. This is horseshit

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:43 PM

26. Cite ANY law to counter the process I described

 

Obviously you can't and didn't even research any source. To be so abrupt and present zero facts you must be a RW troll. What else could explain your one word response based on zero facts.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Reply #26)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:50 PM

33. Your own link refutes it

8 USC 1401(g) defines the relevant conditions for US citizenship, at birth, abroad:


8 USC § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

...

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years

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Those conditions were met and Cruz was a citizen "at birth".

The procedural implementation involving a Consular Report of Birth Abroad is NOT an immigration process.

Read your own damned link, it is not mandatory:

http://travel.state.gov/law/family_issues/birth/birth_593.html

A child born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent or parents may acquire U.S. citizenship at birth if certain statutory requirements are met. The child’s parents should contact the nearest U.S. embassy or consulate to apply for a Consular Report of Birth Abroad

...

Parents of a child born abroad to a U.S. citizen or citizens should apply for a CRBA and/or a U.S. passport for the child as soon as possible. Failure to promptly document a child who meets the statutory requirements for acquiring U.S. citizenship at birth may cause problems for the parents and the child when attempting to establish the child’s U.S. citizenship and eligibility for the rights and benefits of U.S. citizenship, including entry into the United States.

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"Should" and "may" are not the same as "shall" and "will". A CRBA is an administrative convenience in establishing proof of citizenship, but whether one is or is not a citizen at birth is determined by the statutory requirements. Period. End of story.

And your nonsense about "dual citizenship" is laughable. Each country decides, on its own, who it recognizes as a citizen. If Canada recognizes you as a Canadian, and the US recognizes you as a US citizen, that is for each of them to decide. The US government is not in the business of determining who is a Canadian citizen, and vice versa.

Your post is arrant nonsense intended to mislead.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #33)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:04 PM

50. Read the law

 

Obviously you have an agenda other than trying to get to the truth. Cruz's parents DID NOT apply using the FS-240 form, obtain a passport for their child at birth and Ted Cruz did not apply for citizenship when he is required to.

Have fun at the next TeaBagger rally!

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Reply #50)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:16 PM

61. Read the link that you yourself posted

If the U.S. embassy or consulate determines that the child acquired U.S. citizenship at birth, a consular officer will approve the CRBA application and the Department of State will issue a CRBA, also called a Form FS-240, in the child’s name.

According to U.S. law, a CRBA is proof of U.S. citizenship and may be used to obtain a U.S. passport and register for school, among other purposes.

It is not about how one becomes a citizen but how on acquires proof of citizenship if they acquired citizenship at birth. Which Cruz, as venal as he is, did! There is nothing more to be said.



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Response to BlueState (Reply #61)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:11 PM

101. You are correct

The CRB is merely proof of US citizenship but getting the form is not what causes one to be a US Citizen. My parents were in the military at the time of my birth and so they automatically filed the correct paperwork but I think that I was able to get my Texas driver's license with my German birth certificate because that document showed that my father was a US Citizen and a 1st Lt. in the American Army and that my mom was a US Citizen.

I had to use a CRB to take the Texas Bar exam and I had that document also. Lawyers and bar examiners in my day were more picky than the Texas Department of Public Safety.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #33)

Mon Aug 26, 2013, 03:02 PM

172. You are correct... dual citizenship status is decided by each country

My son is a dual US/Kenyan citizen... he will have no business there except occasional visits, but as long as he renews his Kenyan passport he remains a dual citizen.

Previous to Kenya's new constitution, Kenya DID NOT ALLOW dual-citizenship.

Even IF Cruz renounces his Canadian citizenship, he still may be able to claim it... It entirely depends on Canada's law at the time.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:50 PM

32. Doncha just love it...

... when you cite the relevant statute and it is totally ignored?

Didn't these people ever hear of Google?

-- Mal

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:02 PM

48. Aw, crap. I was so hoping that despicable POS could be kicked out of office.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #48)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 08:41 PM

155. Rick Perry would take it as a challenge to appoint someone even worse. (n/t)

 

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:28 PM

8. I think he's a Cuban spy, working for Castro.

One thing for certain, he's an off-his-rocker lunatic. Which is exactly why he's going to say and do whatever it takes to be Prez. The equivocation to Obama is appalling.

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Response to Avalux (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:32 PM

16. Cruz should be looking to run for office in Cuba as

those Castro brothers are old. Also I think that Cruz would really like Cuba's political system.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:29 PM

9. And so begins the birthers from the left. nt

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Response to Javaman (Reply #9)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:38 PM

22. I rather doubt this one is from the "left"

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #22)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:43 PM

27. ...me too.

 

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #22)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:20 PM

105. Good point. My cynical radar failed me. :( nt

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:30 PM

12. G4A?

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:31 PM

13. what are your qualifications on these matters, OP

are you a lawyer and/or a dentist?

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:31 PM

14. Birther. nt.

 

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:33 PM

17. Nothing like becoming the monsters you once fought.

 

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #17)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:03 PM

49. Sigh

too true. I live and work in a heavily RW environment (oil and gas company near Houston). I always cringe when I see people on my side doing the things that I so successfully mocked people on their side doing. It won't be long before this sort of silly crap gets thrown back in my face.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:34 PM

18. How do you know all of those

 

personal details about the Cruz family?

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:36 PM

19. Bullshit alert! Bullshit alert!

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:36 PM

20. Oh geez, the Cruz birthers!

I always thought truthers and birthers would be natural allies, maybe they will finally unite over something!

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:42 PM

25. Cruz Was Born 12/22/70 - What Were The Requirements Then & What Forms Needed To Be Completed?....

The link you provided was dated May 28, 2013. I wondering if this is a newer requirement and that some other requirement was in play back when he was born.

Do you have any info on that?


Also - what is Form: DS-1350 and does Cruz have that documentation?

Here is a link to Documents Establishing U.S. Citizenship And Identity:

http://pdfsdb.com/pdf/documents-estabilishing-us-citizenship-and-identity-12155941.html

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Response to global1 (Reply #25)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:53 PM

36. My situation is identical to Cruz's

 

No, I described what laws I had to adhere to for US citizenship. It's sad how other posters in this thread reply with zero knowledge. I went thru the process and I know the requirements to become a US citizen. Because I complied with the law I have a CERTIFICATE OF US CITIZENSHIP while Cruz does not. I wish the other people in this thread would spend more than a millisecond of research before exposing themselves as fools (not you, but the others in this thread).

Since my experience is identical to Cruz's at the same point of time Cruz was born then I wish the naysayers (probably Cruz supporters) in this thread would explain why I was required to apply for a certificate of US citizenship and Cruz failed to do so.

Thanks for your question. At least one person besides myself has the ability to think and reason. All the best.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:44 PM

28. Oh boy

I'm waiting for the birthers who deny that particular states were improperly admitted. Those contortions might be interesting, but this is just tired and pathetic.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:45 PM

29. You are right. American children born in foreign countries must

go through the process you described and swear an oath of allegiance before they are twenty one. I went through the process and have documents that prove it and one of the documents states I'm a citizen from the date of my birth. If you don't go through the process, you can lose your citizenship. Some one with authority should look into Cruz's legal citizenship status.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #29)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:51 PM

34. I didn't

But I was born abroad at a base hospital to two Americans. My Consulate Papers define my citizenship. I suspect John McCain (also a military brat born abroad) has the same papers.

May I ask - what country were you born in and the circumstances - i.e. why were your parents there?

If nothing else - those consulate papers given to children of military born abroad ensures that if you have to leave the country - West Germany could not 'claim' me and try to steal me from my parents. Not that they would have . . . but that open loop of having to apply for citizenship is scary to me - for all American children born to parents who are abroad.

Now my husband's parents were Italian citizens living in the Bronx when his younger sister and brother were born. They went back to Italy around 1982. My younger brother in law never had to do his mandatory military service - in Italy - but registered for selective service in the US.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #34)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:54 PM

38. Those born on a military base or in an embassy fall

under different rules. I believe your birth certificate, issued by American authorities is all you need and an American passport of course. The rest of us must follow different rules to claim our born American status.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #38)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:57 PM

41. Interesting

I wasn't aware you all had to follow such a different process.

Back in 1973 - It was your Consulate Papers (mine are signed by Warren Christopher! ) that gave you your official citizenship. Like a 'super birth certificate'. Now as an adult - I needed that additional proof when I lost my passport and to change my name when I got married.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #41)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:08 PM

56. There's a bunch of rules depending when you were born,

but they loosely follow some basic rules. Those born in an embassy or military base have the same citizenship rights as those born on American soil. Those of us born in a foreign country of American parents, but not in an embassy or military base, must go through a process that ends up with having to swear allegiance to the USA, denouncing the country of your birth and receiving a certificate of proof of citizenship. The process varies depending on when you were born, but it all ends up with the same result.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #56)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:16 PM

62. "denouncing the country of your birth"

 

Please show me where this is stated in US law? Dual citizenship is not illegal.

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Response to Daniel537 (Reply #62)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:20 PM

65. When you swear the oath you have to do this.

The judge tells you to so there must be a law. However, the country of my birth did not accept this. They believe once you are born there you are one of them no matter how much you reject them so I ended up with dual citizenship anyway.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #65)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:28 PM

72. According to LegalZoom this oath ceremony only applies to Americans born abroad who also permanently

 

live abroad.

"Although the "citizenship by birth" rules have been complex, the February 2001 Child Citizenship Act (CCA) simplified the process. Now, a child who is under the age of 18, was born outside the U.S., and has at least one U.S. citizen parent automatically acquires U.S. citizenship upon entry into the country as an immigrant. No further paperwork is necessary. The parent may request a Certificate of Citizenship and U.S. Passport for the child if proof of the baby's American-ness is desired.

But this process only applies to children permanently residing in the U.S. If the child is under 18, was born outside the United States, but lives abroad in the physical and legal custody of a U.S. citizen parent or U.S. citizen grandparent, the parent or grandparent must apply for naturalization of the child. In addition, more criteria must be met.

The U.S. citizen parent or grandparent must have been physically present in the U.S. for five years before the child's birth, at least two of which were after age fourteen. Further, the child must be temporarily present in the U.S. for the naturalization process and to recite the oath of allegiance. Of course, if the child is too young to understand the oath, this requirement may be waived.

At this naturalization ceremony, the foreign-born, foreign-resident babies gain not only a certificate of citizenship but also membership into an exclusive club. The Constitution rules that only "natural born" citizens can hold our highest office, so it seems these new Americans won't grow up to be President either. The regulations suggest parents who contemplate baby's future run for the White House may want to consider permanent residence in the United States after the birth of little George or Hilary."

http://www.legalzoom.com/marriage-divorce-family-law/family-law-basics/is-your-child-us

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Response to Daniel537 (Reply #72)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:34 PM

76. I don't know. I only know what I had to do and what most of my

peers who also had to go through the process because of being born in an American mining operation overseas. We all had to go through the same process. Of course this was more than fifty years ago.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #65)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 06:11 AM

161. Why are you posting ignorance, like you did with Mt. Rainier national park before?

not long ago you said that Mt. Rainier National Park Rangers couldn't be armed because of a gun law in Washington State, in National Park land.

you said this. it was so bafflingly ignorant that it now makes sense, now that you post this.

you have no idea what you're talking about and when confronted, you just make crap up.

that's why it makes even less sense the more you talk about it.

Here's where you blame the death of a Mt. Rainier National Park Ranger working in the *National* park itself on a Washington state gun law which you said prevented her from being armed. Sheesh.

Obviously you didn't have to take a test to become a citizen.

Cleita (66,344 posts)
10. I wonder how that no gun policy for the rangers is working for Washington state.

I had a friend who quit as a ranger because she said that she would have to work with people, hunters and others, carrying guns and she couldn't. Rangers do police type work among other duties. They were supposed to call the sheriff if they needed backup with guns. Well, I don't know how familiar you are with sheriffs in rural places but often they are an hour or more away from where they are needed. It's a terrible policy and I'm surprised there haven't been more of these incidents.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=100883


Cleita (66,344 posts)
61. I know the difference having visited most of them in the West in my lifetime.

Although federal laws pre-empt state laws, if there is no federal statute then the federal employees have to comply with state laws. If you can find a federal statute that states federal rangers must carry firearms, then that ends the discussion. Perhaps someone who knows about this and can point to that statute might weigh in.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=105559

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Response to Cleita (Reply #56)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:49 PM

88. I'm really sorry, but that is just incorrect.

My daughter was born in Colombia, to a US dad and Colombian mom. She never had to 'swear allegiance to the USA or renounce her right to Colombian citizenship' in order to qualify as a US citizen. She has her Proof of Citizenship (a/k/a Birth Certificate) issued by the US Consulate. BTW she got her US passport at the same time (4 mos of age).

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #88)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:57 PM

94. I can only talk about my experience. But to insinuate that I am lying

sucks. I too had a passport issued to me at the age of eighteen months but I had to take out papers before I was twenty one and that involved taking an oath and renouncing the country of my birth so I wouldn't lose my citizenship.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #94)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:03 PM

98. You're being overly sensitive. I never said you

were lying- in fact, my exact words were "I'm really sorry, but that is just incorrect". I have no idea why you did what you did or who told you you had to do it. But other posters on this site have taken the trouble to post the exact law and regulations which apply to this type of case. If you had been registered at the appropriate Consulate or Embassy you (or your parents) would have received a Certificate of Birth of an American Citizen Abroad (CBRA). That form is proof positive of a) your birth and b) your status as an American citizen. My daughter has never needed more than that one Birth Certificate, including for serving as a Navy Doctor in the Middle East conflict.

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #98)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:08 PM

99. I was born in 1940. The rules and paperwork were probably different

then. It was the American consulate that advised my parents on this. Are you insinuating they didn't know the regulations? Also, my peers who were born in the same country of American parents had to go through the same process.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #99)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:10 PM

100. It's possible the law was different in 1940. My daughter

was born in 1976 so her case represents the state of the law at least from 1976 to present.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #94)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 06:17 AM

162. Maybe you are lying, you just contradicted your own post upthread

either that or you don't know what you think on the topic.

or you are ignorant of the topic.

i suspect both. but your post above and just now don't match up.




Cleita (66,344 posts)
65. When you swear the oath you have to do this.

The judge tells you to so there must be a law. However, the country of my birth did not accept this. They believe once you are born there you are one of them no matter how much you reject them so I ended up with dual citizenship anyway.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3505557

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #162)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 11:13 AM

165. Do you have to work really hard at being so rude and nasty?

I suppose you know more about me and my life experience than I do. I would have no reason to lie about this. I only present my experience so others can be better informed about what a certain group of born Americans, who are born overseas go through to document their citizenship. If I were you I would read a little more carefully for better comprehension.

Don't bother to answer this because I won't see it. I put all assholes on ignore.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #56)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 06:38 PM

146. absolute total nonsense. yikes.

 

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Response to Cleita (Reply #38)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:15 PM

103. I have both a German birth certificate and a CRB

I was born at a military hospital in Germany and I have both a birth certificate in German and a Consular Record of Birth Abroad.

I also was not required to take any oath when I was 21.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #34)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:00 PM

44. Your parents complied with the law

 

Your parents filled out a FS-240 form if they went to a US consulate. So that entitled you to citizenship. Cruz's parents did not follow the law and neither did Ted Cruz.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Reply #44)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:05 PM

51. A tee hee

I have problems coming and going from Germany (last summer we flew through there and had to go through customs) because my passport reads West Germany!

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Response to Cleita (Reply #29)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:01 PM

46. Birther!

 

Sorry. Had to go with the masses. Thanks for sharing your experience.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #29)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:20 PM

66. Cleata, I was born in the USA of Canadian parents (1940s) then we moved back to Canada when I was 7.

In order to claim Dual citizenship status, I had to go to the American consulate..I think then it was in Calgary...
and it must have been swear an oath of allegiance or, as you say, possibly lose the claim to USA citizenship.

This was sometime in the mid 1960s and I remember a deadline involved...may have been the 21st birthday..I've forgotton.

I was told to carry an American passport and not vote in a Canadian election or risk putting my American citizenship into jeopardy)

That was a long time ago...and I do not know the relevant law now or at Cruz's time.

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Response to nenagh (Reply #66)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:24 PM

70. Like I said someone with authority like an AG or judge should

look into this to settle the matter. if we start playing loose with this anybody, like even Arnold Schwarzenegger could start claiming a right to run for President.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #70)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:37 PM

79. I am glad you answered the OP, because what a person assumes, may not be correct.

I don't remember the deadline involved in my claiming USA citizenship way back then..whether age or a new regulation..

You are absolutely correct... the relevant citizenship laws re Cruz need to be evaluated..

by more than just Mr. Cruz ...

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Response to Cleita (Reply #29)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:25 PM

107. Cleita, Cruz' birth was registered with the US consulate and he received US passport in '86 as teen

I think some are confusing "legal status as a citizen" with the bureaucratic steps one must take to gain a passport and document one's citizenship, if born abroad....

Dated a month after his birth on Dec. 22, 1970, it shows that Rafael Edward Cruz was born to Rafael Bienvenido Cruz, a “geophysical consultant” born in Matanzas, Cuba, and the former Eleanor Elizabeth Wilson, born in Wilmington, Del.

Her status made the baby a U.S. citizen at birth. For that, U.S. law required at least one parent who was a U.S. citizen who had lived for at least a decade in the United States.

She registered his birth with the U.S. consulate, Frazier said, and the future senator received a U.S. passport in 1986 ahead of a high school trip to England.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20130818-dual-citizenship-may-pose-problem-if-ted-cruz-seeks-presidency.ece

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:54 PM

37. The OP is nonsense but this is one section of the Constitution which should be amended.

There have been many fine Democrats who could not run for President because they were not originally U.S. citizens. Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright and former Michigan governor Jennifer Granholm immediately come to mind. The section should be amended so that you have to be a citizen for maybe 25 years and permanent residency of maybe 20 years in order to run. This section of the Constitution was originally put in there because the founders were still afraid the British or other European powers would take over the country by supporting a non-U.S. born citizen for President. (Of course the founders exempted themselves from that requirement.) I think we are past that fear after 220 years and its time to allow anyone who the people want to become President.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:55 PM

39. FSS yes he is.

He's also an asshole.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:55 PM

40. We don't want to go there. The crazy is still crazy.

Next we will be arguing that Tennessee was never really admitted to the Union so their votes don't count, or something.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:57 PM

42. It is important not to let the right-wing off the hook so easily.

After their crusade to nail President Obama as born in Kenya, when in fact he was born in Hawaii, they cannot be permitted to slide Cruz in the back door without a fight.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:01 PM

45. I would like to know how the Canadians classified his citizenship.

What was his Father's citizenship status Cuban or Canadian at the time of his birth?
What is Canadian law regarding citizenship of a child born to two foreign nationals on Canadian soil?
What is the true status of Cruz's Dual Citizenship, Canadian/American, Cuban/American, Cuban/Canadian or Canadian/Cuban/American?

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Response to Ganja Ninja (Reply #45)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:08 PM

55. Born on Canadian soil = Canadian citizen nt

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Response to laundry_queen (Reply #55)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:38 PM

80. Yep. If you have a Canadian birth certificate, you are a Canadian citizen. nt

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Response to Ganja Ninja (Reply #45)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 08:55 PM

157. Cruz's father was never a Canadian citizen.

 

In the course of this story about Cruz's plan to renounce his Canadian citizenship, the Dallas Morning News reported:

His father, born in Cuba, remained a Cuban citizen until he was naturalized as an American in 2005. When Cruz was born, his parents were living in Canada, where they had opened a seismic-data business in the oil patch. Cruz lived in Canada until he was 4 years old, and spent the rest of his childhood in Texas.


As others have said, Cruz's birth in Alberta was sufficient to confer Canadian citizenship on him, as well as his U.S. citizenship. (I think that Canada, like the U.S., makes an exception for children of diplomats, with the result that not everybody born in the country is a citizen -- just virtually everybody.)

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:01 PM

47. Hmmm... I just sent an email to my sister...

 

...who is an immigration lawyer.
I'm gonna wait for her to chime in, before I form an opinion on this.

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Response to RevStPatrick (Reply #47)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:12 PM

59. Thanks

 

Thanks for being one in the 10% of people in this thread who are actually thinking and searching for facts. Your sister will confirm everything I stated.

I have proof of everything I stated because I HAVE A US CERTIFICATE OF CITIZENSHIP. Why would I be REQUIRED by law to obtain a CERTIFICATE OF CITIZENSHIP when my father was American? The other people in this thread who reject my true events it hour any thought lead me to believe there are a lot if RW trolls who do not want the truth exposed. What's amusing is they are calling me a birther when all I am doing is describing the laws I had to adhere to to become a legal US citizen.

Thanks for reaching out to your sister which will verify everything I stated. Take care.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Reply #59)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:17 PM

63. Please stop calling DUers RW trolls, fools and teabaggers

just because they disagree with you. Your credibility suffers from these ridiculous attacks.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #63)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 05:20 PM

140. is that why they are calling this poster who had two simultaneous accounts on DU a troll?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1652469

TheTruthBeKnown (43 posts)
12. Hi LiberalLoner

I'm back (anarmyveteran). I used twitter for 21 months with zero problems but now I've been suspended 4 times in 7 weeks. They say I violated a rule but I never have. Twitter hates customers/users apparently. I don't see Twitter lasting another 2 years because of their contempt for humans. With their inept, people-hating executives I have no idea how they managed to stay in business this long.

Let me know if you get this!


Anarmyveteran was tombstoned by the way, but TheTruthBeKnown was active at the same time.

also, these shouldn't be confused with the other poster called Truthbeknown. that person is obviously completely different

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Reply #59)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:21 PM

67. You know what? You need to stop calling people trolls.

I just sat on a jury for one of your posts, and I voted to leave it alone, but you're really pushing it now. Knock it off - people can disagree with you without being trolls. Show some manners.

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #67)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:27 PM

71. Manners?

 

Please take a look at the repeated attacks on me in response to my articulate OP. My facts and intelligence have been met with one word accusations and name calling. Why aren't you mentioning them? Not one word in my OP said anything derogatory about anyone.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Reply #71)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:32 PM

74. Well, an unsound and unproven premise predicated on alleged facts, and alleged intelligence.

"My facts and intelligence have been met with..."

Well, an unsound and unproven premise predicated on alleged facts, and alleged intelligence.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #74)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:35 PM

77. Thank you, LanternWaste

The way I would have replied would have probably been hidden.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #77)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 06:19 PM

143. Why? One generally only gets hidden when they say something.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Reply #71)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:33 PM

75. Didn't you ever hear that two wrongs don't make a right?

If what you're saying is true, you'll be proven right. Meantime, stop being an ass. You've been let off the hook for your nasty response at least once already. Are you trying to get yourself blocked?

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Reply #71)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:44 PM

83. I personally have called you out about your false assertion that a dual citizen must

be 'active' in both countries. As a US/Canadian dual citizen, I most emphatically do not do that, and have not done that. So the very first assertion you made is utter bullshit. See my longer post below.

People are somewhat disrespectful of you because at least half of your post is totally untrue.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Reply #71)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 03:45 PM

133. You've been on DU for 9 years, 40 posts, and posted as much today as in the past 9 years

of further note is that today's posts are almost complete nonsense.

seems kinda fishy.

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #67)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:50 PM

89. At least one other poster called this one a troll first. nt

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Reply #59)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:35 PM

114. I understand your frustration here...

 

Lots of people on this thread just telling you that you're wrong, and calling you names, without offering any reasons why you are wrong. Just because they say so. And, you are a low post count member, and that makes people suspicious.

However, I would caution you not to let your frustration turn into nastiness, because then that becomes the issue.

"Liberals" and DUers are just as susceptible to low-information knee-jerkiness as anyone else. After the ridiculousness of the birther movement, and everything that people learned from that experience, there are a lot of people around here who think that they are now experts in the field. I would rather wait and hear what a real expert in the field has to say. Sis is an associate at the leading immigration firm in the world, and part of her job is tracking all the changes in immigration law. She had plenty to say about both Obama (qualified to be POTUS) and McCain (there was a grey area with him, and the experts couldn't quite agree if he was qualified or not). I don't have the luxury of being able to do this with most issues, but I do with this one.

"Don't let the bastards get you down!"

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Reply #59)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:46 PM

120. All this calling longstanding, good DUers "trolls" tells me a great deal about YOU, noob.

 

Best watch your step. You'e getting a well founded reputation as a troublemaker.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:05 PM

53. oh... Joy... Our very own birthers...

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:07 PM

54. This raises the issue whether he is even a legal resident.

Self deport!!

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:09 PM

57. of course he is - let's not go off the deep-end like the birthers

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:11 PM

58. How do you know his parents did't file the proper paperwork?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #58)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:19 PM

64. The answer is in Cruz's own statement.

 

Cruz just renounced his Canadian citizenship (but not LEGALLY) so thats an admission his parents never filed. If they had he would not have to renounce his Canadian citizenship. Cruz would be a US citizen if they had filed the proper paperwork (FS240), etc. Cruz is NOT a dual citizen. Nor am I even though I was born in Canada. My situation is identical to Cruz's except I obeyed the law and I have a CERTIFICATE OF US CITIZENSHIP to prove it. Why would you think I need that document when Cruz does not?

Please put forth some effort to research facts before replying. Thank you. Have a great day.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Reply #64)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:22 PM

68. Excuse me

but you don't set the terms of what or how people can reply on this board.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:15 PM

60. Are we really going to allow

 

birther crap on this site? Really? There are two ways to become a citizen - at birth or becoming naturalized. Cruz (like the President) are natural born citizens.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #60)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:24 PM

69. Do you know what laws are?

 

Instead of attacking me as a birther (this situation has NOTHING TO DO WITH OBAMA's) why don't you merely look at the laws. Oh yeah, it's easier to respond with zero information and zero longing for facts. I wish you the best on the road to knowledge if you decide to take it.

All the best!

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Reply #69)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:03 PM

95. He's got a U.S. passport so his mother must have done whatever was legally

required in 1970.

(Not necessarily the same form as in 2013, 43 years later.)

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Reply #69)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:42 PM

117. I've looked at the constitution

 

Two kinds of citizens and since he didn't become naturalized, he's a natural born citizen. I'm sure you just signed up 43 posts ago educate us.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #117)

Mon Aug 26, 2013, 01:56 PM

171. signed up in 2004, 50 posts later, is doing this --also, had multiple accounts on DU

is that why they are calling this poster who had two simultaneous accounts on DU a troll?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1652469

TheTruthBeKnown (43 posts)
12. Hi LiberalLoner

I'm back (anarmyveteran). I used twitter for 21 months with zero problems but now I've been suspended 4 times in 7 weeks. They say I violated a rule but I never have. Twitter hates customers/users apparently. I don't see Twitter lasting another 2 years because of their contempt for humans. With their inept, people-hating executives I have no idea how they managed to stay in business this long.

Let me know if you get this!


Anarmyveteran was tombstoned by the way, but TheTruthBeKnown was active at the same time.

also, these shouldn't be confused with the other poster called Truthbeknown. that person is obviously completely different

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:31 PM

73. Your first paragraph is false. I am a dual Canadian/American citizen. I became a naturalized

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Canadian citizen at age 55 when I found out I could do that through my mother's Canadian citizenship. I have never lived in Canada, never been a resident, never worked there, never had to take citizenship tests, never was sworn in as a C. citizen, and have never been 'active' in Canada, whatever than means. I have visited Canada a few times for 2 weeks at a time as a regular tourist. Yet, I am a Canadian citizen.

Cruz is a Canadian citizen because he has a Canadian birth certificate. Period.

It is my understanding that Cruz is a US citizen since he has a US passport. The passport would not have been issued if he were not a citizen through his mother's US citizenship or through efforts of his own as an adult to establish prove his citizenship. The US Dept of State says:

Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock

A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be genetically related to the child to transmit U.S. citizenship.

Here the State Dept talks about the F-240:

A child born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent or parents may acquire U.S. citizenship at birth if certain statutory requirements are met. The child’s parents should contact the nearest U.S. embassy or consulate to apply for a Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America (CRBA) to document that the child is a U.S. citizen. If the U.S. embassy or consulate determines that the child acquired U.S. citizenship at birth, a consular officer will approve the CRBA application and the Department of State will issue a CRBA, also called a Form FS-240, in the child’s name.

According to U.S. law, a CRBA is proof of U.S. citizenship and may be used to obtain a U.S. passport and register for school, among other purposes.

The child’s parents may choose to apply for a U.S. passport for the child at the same time that they apply for a CRBA. Parents may also choose to apply only for a U.S. passport for the child. Like a CRBA, a full validity, unexpired U.S. passport is proof of U.S. citizenship.

Parents of a child born abroad to a U.S. citizen or citizens should apply for a CRBA and/or a U.S. passport for the child as soon as possible. Failure to promptly document a child who meets the statutory requirements for acquiring U.S. citizenship at birth may cause problems for the parents and the child when attempting to establish the child’s U.S. citizenship and eligibility for the rights and benefits of U.S. citizenship, including entry into the United States. By law, U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States.

Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a U.S. Citizen (CRBA, or Form FS-240)

If you are a U.S. citizen and have a child overseas, you should report his or her birth as soon as possible so that, if the child acquired U.S. citizenship at birth, a Consular Report of Birth Abroad (CRBA) can be issued as an official record of his/her U.S. citizenship. Report the birth of your child abroad at the nearest U.S. embassy or consulate. Check the American Citizens Services portion of the webpage for the embassy or consulate closest to where your child was born for further instructions about how to apply for a CRBA. Please note:

A Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a U.S. citizen is only issued to a child who acquired U.S. citizenship at birth and who is generally under the age of 18 at the time of the application.
The U.S. embassy or consulate will provide one original copy of an eligible child’s Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a U.S. Citizen.




IOW, if his parents did not legally establish that he was a citizen around the time of his birth, this does NOT mean he cannot ever be considered a US citizen from birth; it only means that, as an adult, he would have a few more hoops to jump through (i.e., proving his parents were married, proving that his mother had resided in the US for a total of 10 yrs before the birth, etc.)

What's odd about Cruz is that he is pretending to not know he has a Canadian birth certificate! I don't know about other people, but all through my life I had to pull out my birth certificate for every damn thing -- school, work, job apps, etc. So what the hell is Cruz pulling by saying he didn't know? If he has an F-240, produce it. It's as good as a birth certificate--for everything.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:37 PM

78. Tis Birther garbage

maybe you should send it to Orly Taitz or is that where you found this crap?

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:39 PM

81. Dumbest post I've read all month

 

beating out all the Snowden/Greenwald ones, no less.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:41 PM

82. Kick, to the curb, and stay there!

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:48 PM

86. MAybe Mr Cruz would

consider self deportation.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:48 PM

87. Hmmmmmm. Low count poster trying to make DU look like birthers?

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:52 PM

90. You're wrong. He's got a U.S. passport, so he's proved he's a citizen.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20130818-dual-citizenship-may-pose-problem-if-ted-cruz-seeks-presidency.ece

She registered his birth with the U.S. consulate, Frazier said, and the future senator received a U.S. passport in 1986 ahead of a high school trip to England.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:53 PM

92. Why is this bullshit getting recs?

 

Better yet, why is this thread still here? Complete and total bullshit, I don't care if you like or dislike the guy...facts are facts.

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Response to Rex (Reply #92)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 04:37 PM

139. Why indeed. I and several other posters have jerked this guy up by his shorts with the

facts, and he ignores us all to repeat, repeat, repeat his bullshit. Now, what sort of person does that??? Hmmmmmm......

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:03 PM

97. I was born in Wiesbaden West Germany and have a CRB

My father was in the US army stationed in Wiesbaden (the location of one of the big US military hospitals) and my mother was also a US citizen. When I applied to take the bar, I had to provide my Consular Record of Birth Abroad to prove citizenship and to be allowed to take the bar. I took the Texas bar many years before Carnival Cruz and so the rules may have changed but I was told that I could not take the bar without the CRB. My regular birth certificate is in German and shows that my father was a 1st Lt. in the American army.

I am careful to keep my passport up to date because it takes three to six months to order and obtain a CRB from the State Department.

Since Carnival Cruz was allowed to take the Texas bar, I imagine that he as some sort of documentation like a CRB to satisfy the bar examiners. Of course, the rules could have changed since my days. I also had to travel back to my hometown to meet with a bar committee before taking the bar since I filed my original declaration of intent to study law when I was still using my mother's address. Between the date of that filing and the date I had to meet with the bar examiners, my mother had moved but I still had to return to my home town for the meeting. The committee member actually apologized for making me travel back to my home town after he looked at my transcript and saw that I was on law review and at the top of my class. My son did not have to meet the bar committee when he took the bar examination.

It is difficult to be a member of the bar without proof of citizenship. That is why I was amused by the birthers' claims in that President Obama was allowed to take the Ill. bar and would have to provide some proof of citizenship. While the rules may have changed, I would be surprised if Carnival Cruz did not have a CRB

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:12 PM

102. Cuban + Canadian = Commie Socialist!!!!!!

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:20 PM

104. Crescent fresh!!...nt

Sid

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:27 PM

108. Obama and Cruz aren't similarly situated. Obama was born in the USA, physically.

The baggers claimed that he was disqualified because of a BOGUS claim he was born in a foreign country of an American citizen, his mother. Under the Cruz citizenship theory, Obama's birth certificate was not even debatable, yet they want separate rules of the game to punish, harrass and scream illegitamacy in the media and among themselves .... I say make 'em sweat.

I hate hypocrisy. I say they are pushed to live by their own heinous lies -- the truth is not in them. No free pass for these cretins.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:29 PM

110. Seems to me you're saying

 

Cruz has fulfilled the requirements to be the citizen of no country.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:46 PM

119. I disgree. I have a co-worker who was born in

Belgium and obtained his US Citizenship a few years ago. He is a dual citizen of both countries, just as his son is. My sister-in-law's father who was first generation born in the US has dual citizenship in the US and Ireland and passports from each country. He used to travel internationally on business all the time and, when air travel was a lot riskier for Americans, he used to travel on his Irish passport when he was traveling solo. He figured that, if the plane was ever taken over by terrorists, he would rather present an Irish Passport then an American on. I have another co-worker who was a dual citizen (Russia and US) and two passports.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 03:02 PM

122. After eight years of birfers harassing Obama, I'm game for some payback.

They kept up the conspiracy theories and slanderous nonsense even after Obama produced his birth certificate showing he was born in Hawaii, and after showing his long form, and showing the birth announcements in the newspapers, and talking to people who were there.

As LBJ once said, "I don't care if it's true or not. I just want to hear the son-of-a-bitch deny it."

Let's make Cruz sweat!

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 03:23 PM

128. Each country established its own criteria for whether you are a citizen or not.

Do you have any citations to the statutes on what you are writing?

Our children were born abroad as citizens of a foreign country for complicated reasons. We filled out the forms to make sure they had American citizenship. But I don't know the law on the issue. If you have the forms you filled out, you might find the statute citation on them. Thanks.

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Response to TheTruthBeKnown (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 03:26 PM

129. birth certificate

My children were born in Europe to two American parents. We registered their births at the American Embassy and American birth certificates were issued to them. Mr. Cruz is definitely in "Man Without a Country" territory. Where are the "birthers?"

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Wed Aug 21, 2013, 03:32 PM

130. Me thinks he's US citizen. He's white and male. automatic citizen. nt

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Wed Aug 21, 2013, 06:31 PM

145. wow. you certainly are quite the fabulist and you've spun quite the bullshit tale

 

birtherism makes people crazy

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Wed Aug 21, 2013, 06:46 PM

148. Sooooo, how do you know he did not do all this?

 

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Wed Aug 21, 2013, 07:14 PM

151. the main thing I'm getting from this thread...

... is that our immigration laws are a confused morass of ink that might as well be a Rorschach test.

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Wed Aug 21, 2013, 07:20 PM

153. Obviously you stayed at a Holiday Inn

last night. Two words Epic Fail.

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Wed Aug 21, 2013, 07:22 PM

154. But but but he said he was American by birth

“Now the Dallas Morning News says that I may technically have dual citizenship,” Cruz said in a statement on Monday. “Assuming that is true, then sure, I will renounce any Canadian citizenship. Nothing against Canada, but I’m an American by birth and as a U.S. senator; I believe I should be only an American.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/19/ted-cruz-canadian-citizenship_n_3782870.html

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Wed Aug 21, 2013, 08:52 PM

156. The more our side goes sifting through Cruz's history...

... the less basis we have of criticizing the tiresome birthers who keep questioning Obama's citizenship.

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Wed Aug 21, 2013, 09:02 PM

158. Man oh man I'm glad someone finally straightened this out. Thanks! Was scared there for a minute.

 

By the way, CNN's on the phone.

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Wed Aug 21, 2013, 09:07 PM

159. I admit my bias here -- I *want* Cruz to be eligible.

 

Given that Palin probably won't run, I think Cruz is the prominent Republican presidential possibility who would get clobbered the most soundly and who would do the most to bring Democrats into the House and Senate.

Even allowing for that bias, though, I can't see a colorable case for saying he's ineligible. The issuance of a U.S. passport to him is very telling. They don't give those things away on the honor system. Some civil servant reviewed his documents.

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Thu Aug 22, 2013, 06:21 AM

163. the people here saying that Cruz isn't a citizen are probably arguing the earth is flat elsewhere

for people so convinced of their correctness on a topic, the posts saying he isn't a citizen are some of the most ignorant, yet most confident, that i've read on DU in years.

if our electoral success depends upon these people being right, we are screwed.

but it doesn't. so we aren't.

phew.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #163)

Mon Aug 26, 2013, 04:44 PM

173. Have you done any research?

 

My situation is identical to Cruz's except I followed the law and I have a Certificate if US Citizenship. Cruz does not. What sources did you use to cause you to react the way you did? Surely you relied on facts and not just 100% opinion.

My story is true and documented. I have a Certificate of US Citizenship but Cruz does not. To date, there is no documented evidence Cruz is an American citizen, none other than hearsay from a PAID Cruz spokeswoman who 'said' Cruz's mother filed with the US embassy. That's what the Dallas paper reported with zero documentation. No journalist would accept the word of a paid spokesperson.

That's triple hearsay yet you believe it?

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Mon Aug 26, 2013, 05:31 PM

174. Birther horseshit

One of his parents was a US citizen of correct age and residency. He is a citizen.

As is Obama who was BORN IN HAWAII to an AMERICAN MOTHER.

I am not falling for this moronic trap.

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Wed Aug 28, 2013, 02:06 AM

175. Whitehouse petition to Deport Ted Cruz.

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