Obama: Snowden has been charged with three felonies and should come to US to face charges

[Fire Walk With Me]

Last edited Wed Aug 14, 2013, 11:36 AM - Edit history (1)

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Obama: #Snowden has been charged with three felonies and should come to US to face charges http://on.rt.com/l2av3v

“So the fact is that Mr. Snowden has been charged with three felonies,” added Obama. “If in fact he believes that what he did was right, then like every American citizen he can come here, appear before a court with a lawyer and make his case. If the concern was that somehow this was the only way to get this information out to the public, I signed an executive order well before Mr. Snowden leaked this information that provided whistleblower protection to the intelligence community for the first time. So there were other avenues available for someone whose conscious was stirred.”

Obama also said "Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this administration"

but it has taken Snowden to actually FORCE any tiny amount of this out of Obama, along with felony charges. It's illegal to reveal illegal spying upon US citizens? Fuck the surveillance state and all who defend it. The US doesn't consider waterboarding, rendition, and solitary confinement to be torture. Neither does it regard indefinite detention with neither trial nor representation to be so (UNCONSTITUTIONAL but there it is: section 1021 of the NDAA, twice signed by Obama and defended in court by his lawyers).

So they can stuff Snowden in a box in some foreign country and waterboard him for the rest of his life and call it perfectly legal.

Seriously, FUCK the surveillance state. It must be annihilated utterly. WHERE'S MY CONSTITUTION!?

PS: Want to prosecute some people who are really, actually guilty? Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, Rice, Wolfowitz...No, THEY get to walk.

Infinite

Also, they can lie about it to us at will:

It is legal for the government to lie to your face.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023438872

[liberal_at_heart]

1. "Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this administration." Okay. That was

funny.

[Tx4obama]

4. See the full transcript on the link in Comment #2. Obama did not say that. n/t

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

14. Of course not

[Fire Walk With Me]

5. Added video of that to the OP because it IS seig-heilarious. n/t

[Tx4obama]

7. Okay, he said 'that' on January 21, 2009

Your OP 'before the edit' made it sound like he said it during Friday's press conference

[Tx4obama]

2. Below is a link to the TRANSCRIPT to WHAT HE REALLY SAID

Here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/08/09/remarks-president-press-conference

The phrase: "Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this administration" --- is NOT in there.

[morningfog]

35. LOL. I think that quote was from earlier in the Administration.

Funny that you take issue with its use, but rightfully so. That is NOT the current position of the WH.

[Sherman A1]

3. My question would be

Okay if Snowden has been charged and should face those charges, why have the bankers not been charged?

What of the violations of the Constitution this surveillance program(s) has created? Why has no one been investigated and charged?

[Fire Walk With Me]

6. Don't be silly. Everyone knows only Occupiers get arrested, not banksters! ;)

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

15. Remember how quickly he moved on the IRS fake scandal?

Especially to come to the defense of a small minority, the fucking tea-baggers!?

[dipsydoodle]

8. A worn out 78 rpm record comes to mind on the subject at hand.

Snowden.

[Fire Walk With Me]

9. The record contains truth. The listener refuses to accept the truth presented. XKeyscore.

NDI Presenter. Look them up. Warrantless. All-pervasive. Against AMERICANS.

The government LIES. Get it. Obama is a shill for the plutonomy and surveillance state. Get it. The Constitution is going away. Get it. Contractors are springing up just like Halliburton and Custer Battles in Iraq to slurp up the $1 trillion a year surveillance state budget...and private contractors are amongst those who see our data. Get it. The NDAA 2014 section 1061 provides for an entirely new arm of the surveillance state to specifically analyze data and metadata. It grows and we are losing our freedom and our tax dollars and our principle of democracy.

Shoving one's head in the sand does not make the truth change or go away.

Odd how however you should bring up the 78RPM platform, because it is higher fidelity than 45 and 33RPM. 33RPM was developed in order to present longer recordings. Although the vintage tech (capture and reproduction) was low-bandwidth, the 78 platform is capable of producing exceptional results for obvious physics-related reasons:

"In theory - no, fact - the 78 speed is more conducive to audiophile listening to begin with. Big fat grooves spinning fast in thick roomy vinyl should be the winning combination. Kind of how the 12" 45s got happening in the clubs. Lots of bass goes in and out, along with the highs."

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=150557

A turntable stylus must be wiggled back and forth by the platter grooves in order to generate bass. The wider the area for this movement, the better the bass. 33s pack grooves in more tightly = less room for bass. And the same principle of magnetic tape speeds may also apply: more domains past the heads at higher speeds = more information storage = more information stored.

You are as much in error about Snowden as in audio. Only your qualifier of "worn out" makes any difference and it is inapplicable.

[dipsydoodle]

11. I think you might have misinterpreted what I meant.

I referred to your admin harping on about it. I think Snowden is a hero.

[Fire Walk With Me]

19. I apologize. I was uncertain of the POV from which you were qualifying.

Please forgive me for ASSuming the worst.

[dipsydoodle]

31. No apology necessary.

I hadn't made myself clear and I was already aware that we were both on the same page.

[tsuki]

10. Have you ever wondered how much the taxpayer is paying to be spied upon?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/07/10/what-government-pays-to-snoop-on-you/2504819/

It's a secret!

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

16. I'm sure it cost a pretty penny to spy on the whole world

That's why there coming for our SS now.

[Helen Borg]

12. Why cannot there be a public, remote trial?

With Snowden participating via Skype? That way his life would not be in danger but he would have a chance to defend himself against the accusations. I know, probably a ridiculous suggestion.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

17. Kangaroo courts aren't all that popular with the politically persecuted

Though I'm sure the totalitarian privacy pirates would jump at the chance.

[Helen Borg]

23. I meant...

That the trial can go on in the US, but Snowden participates from Russia via Skype so he would be safe.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

25. Yep

Still a kangaroo court

[Helen Borg]

27. Everybody would see it is a kangaroo court indeed.

And Snowden would be safe because not physically in the US. It would seem like a potentially good way to expose the farce for what it is.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

28. Sounds like a waste of time to me

Everyone already knows it's a farce, they don't need any more demonstrations.

[Fire Walk With Me]

22. No, we can try Obama and the surveillance state right here within the US as is right and just.

That's what you mean, correct? Because Snowden is a patriot. Those he has exposed are monsters.

[Helen Borg]

24. I agree that he is a patriot.

I meant he would participate via Skype from Russia or wherever he is now so he would be safe.

[msanthrope]

33. Um, no. One cannot be fugitive and ask for due process at the same time. nt

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

13. Sheesh, obsess much mr president?

And it was not that long ago when you said you weren't gonna spend any political capital over snowden.

I wonder who changed your mind?

[HangOnKids]

18. Excellent post

Not what changed your mind but WHO.

[Fire Walk With Me]

21. I'm sure that after Obama forced to the ground the jet of the President of another country

for 12 hours because Snowden might have been on board (and yes, they demanded to search it), that his cancellation this week of a meeting with Putin was over gay rights and not Snowden there having been granted asylum.

Wink wink.

[bowens43]

20. fucking disgusting

the president is a disaster, he almost never fails to do the wrong thing.

[TBF]

26. "The president is a disaster"? Really?

You may wish to hide your disgust a little better if you choose to remain on this website.

As a leftist I can certainly hurl some legitimate criticisms of both this administration and especially of Imperialism in general. But the spying on Americans started in earnest with GWB and his lapdog Cheney. I don't agree with the Patriot Act or the continued surveillance, it needs to end. But to say this president is a "disaster" smacks of someone who is very critical of democrats and it makes me wonder why you are even posting on this site. The democrats are doing well with civil rights issues, they are at least attempting to address the issues with health care, and on a daily basis things like the continued unemployment insurance keep folks from starving. No this party is not perfect but at present time this is what we've got to work with and yes they are better than the alternative major party (whether we can do better overall with a different economic system is something I'd love to discuss but I have a feeling you'd not be interested in that).

[Fire Walk With Me]

36. Obama is a howling disaster along the lines of a moderate republican in office, and worse.

He is an absolute disaster for the democratic party in that many who are able to see will NOT be voting democratic or even voting in the next election lest they simply elect another plutonomy shill who talks about Hope and Change. Won't get fooled again. And running to defend such a problem doesn't make anyone look any smarter or especially deserving of alliance and support. Note that I voted for him. Then he fucked me and the rest of the country.

Please pay attention people. This is about as serious as it gets.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023389720

[Fire Walk With Me]

37. Obama is a howling disaster along the lines of a moderate republican in office, and worse.

He is an absolute disaster for the democratic party in that many who are able to see will NOT be voting democratic or even voting in the next election lest they simply elect another plutonomy shill who talks about Hope and Change. Won't get fooled again. And running to defend such a problem doesn't make anyone look any smarter or especially deserving of alliance and support. I voted for him...and now I want my country back.

Please pay attention people.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023389720

[chimpymustgo]

32. A disappointing disaster by orders of magnitude.

[TBF]

38. We are dealing within a capitalist system -

how much better do you think it can get?

We can all vote for Elizabeth Warren and she will be dealing with the same system if she gets in. It's not the figurehead that is the problem ...

[99Forever]

29. Yep

FUCK the surveillance state.

And every tool that defends it.

With a cactus.

[NaturalHigh]

30. "Should come to US to face charges"

Why?

[IncessantPerfidy]

34. I believe it was Switzerland who wanted the US to send back someone

I believe it was Switzerland who wanted the US to send back someone they too wanted to face the music while the US granted that person asylum rapidly followed by full US Citizenship.

Looks like karma in action to me Pres Obama just happens to be the lucky recipient.


The whole Snowden gov spying thing would be much more amusing if it were not so f---ed up.

[Fire Walk With Me]

39. Kick