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Thu Aug 8, 2013, 10:18 PM

 

Cyprus President announces ‘Guaranteed Minimum Income’ for all citizens

Beneficiaries will be all of our fellow citizens who have an income below that which can assure them a dignified living, irrespective of age, class or professional situation,” Anastasiades said in a statement.

He said the level of the Guaranteed Minimum Income would take into consideration the needs of every citizen and every household concerning nourishment, clothing, consumption of electricity and other indispensable items.

At the same time, it will guarantee the right for housing of the economically weaker groups of the population, he said. This will be done either through the subsidisation of the rent if the beneficiaries don’t own their own residence, or through the subsidisation of the interest on housing loans in the cases where people own a house but face problems in paying instalments.

Also covered will be unforeseen expenses, which unfortunately come up in every household, such as, for example, absolutely necessary construction and repairs to houses, municipal taxes, etc,” he said. http://cyprus-mail.com/2013/07/26/president-announces-guaranteed-minimum-income-for-all-citizens/


In my view, Obama should propose the same.

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grahamhgreen Aug 2013 OP
liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #1
tblue Aug 2013 #32
PoliticAverse Aug 2013 #2
Lasher Aug 2013 #3
liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #5
geek tragedy Aug 2013 #8
PoliticAverse Aug 2013 #25
Recursion Aug 2013 #6
grahamhgreen Aug 2013 #7
Hydra Aug 2013 #9
madville Aug 2013 #14
liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #21
antigop Aug 2013 #23
liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #24
grahamhgreen Aug 2013 #35
Recursion Aug 2013 #4
geek tragedy Aug 2013 #10
liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #12
geek tragedy Aug 2013 #15
liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #17
valerief Aug 2013 #20
liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #22
Hydra Aug 2013 #13
geek tragedy Aug 2013 #16
Hydra Aug 2013 #26
Hydra Aug 2013 #11
forestpath Aug 2013 #18
valerief Aug 2013 #19
summer-hazz Aug 2013 #27
delrem Aug 2013 #28
Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #29
dkf Aug 2013 #30
love_katz Aug 2013 #31
Safetykitten Aug 2013 #33
PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #34

Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 10:24 PM

1. damn it. I hate when other countries beat us to things like this. We look like such idiots.

Obama would never propose this. I learned my lesson after he refused to bring single payer to the negotiating table. I don't care what the political environment is, there is no excuse for our leaders not fighting for policies like this.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 9, 2013, 01:08 AM

32. Like most of them.

We are no longer a nation. We are a plutocracy w/serfs.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 10:27 PM

2. I wonder how they will pay for that. n/t

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 10:34 PM

3. They can afford it.

Because they're not spending as much on war as the entire rest of the world combined.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 10:38 PM

5. bingo. Not all countries have perpetual war like we great super powers do.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 10:39 PM

8. Cyprus just had to beg for an EU bailout. nt

 

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #8)

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 11:16 PM

25. I see that...

"He further said that the new measure has been developed in consultation with Cyprus’ international lenders (the Troika) and will be implemented in June 2014, following a dialogue with the social partners."

http://famagusta-gazette.com/cyprus-looks-at-guaranteed-minimum-income-p20110-69.htm

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 10:38 PM

6. We basically pay that much with a lot of our social programs as it is

We spend I think $20K per person on social spending (though not distributed equally, of course); it might make more sense to just cut everybody a check like that. Also, that number is so high because health care is so expensive here, so we'd have to keep chipping away at that.

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 10:38 PM

7. Here, the other option is to pay for it with decaying cities and hungry children....

 

The policies of active employment will be financed mainly by the European Social Fund, and they will aim to encourage and to facilitate the unemployed in their effort to find employment. They will concern programs for education, practical training or subsidized employment.

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 10:40 PM

9. It pays for itself

People who can afford to live can afford to contribute to the economy. The idea that we can't afford anything is silly based on our system- if we can't afford to pay people, they can't pay for anything and...you have what we have now. A depression.

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 10:47 PM

14. They recently got an EU bailout and

Levied a big tax on bank accounts over 100,000 euros?

Sounds good but expensive for a country already with a negative financial outlook.

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Response to madville (Reply #14)

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 10:59 PM

21. If they invest in education and living wages maybe they will have a better financial outlook.

Maybe if we invested in education and living wages, we would have a better financial outlook.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #21)

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 11:10 PM

23. If we stopped shipping jobs to other countries, we would have a better financial outlook. nt

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Response to antigop (Reply #23)

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 11:11 PM

24. definitely one of many factors.

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #2)

Fri Aug 9, 2013, 11:20 AM

35. Basically they are taking money that is stagnant, ie hoarded by the overly wealthy, and plowing

 

It back into the productive economy

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 10:37 PM

4. It's an outstanding idea (nt)

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 10:40 PM

10. Sounds like a great program, key would be implementing and paying for it.

 

Hopefully they give a model for larger economies to copy,

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #10)

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 10:46 PM

12. it's called priorities. There are socialist countries that put things the society needs at the

top of the priority list. Things like schools, bridges, national health care, living wages, social programs for the sick and elderly. Our number one priority is seeing how rich we can make our CEOs which when you look at the fact that most CEOs make about 400 times more than the average worker is pretty damn rich. It's not that hard to do. We could easily do it. We just won't do it because we have been bought and paid for by the corporations.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #12)

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 10:51 PM

15. Priorities and values are vital, but they're not enough.

 

They need to be implemented effectively.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #15)

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 10:54 PM

17. When you have intelligent people who have the people's interest at heart it can absolutely be

implemented effectively. We have corporate forces at work against us which make it difficult, almost impossible. But we have overcome those forces before with the first labor movement, and it can and will be done again.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #15)

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 10:58 PM

20. I guess "implement" is the contrary word du jour. nt

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Response to valerief (Reply #20)

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 11:00 PM

22. yeah, apparently these things can't be done. Single payer health care, living wages,

free education. It's impossible. No one has ever pulled these things off before. Oh wait, some countries have pulled it off.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #10)

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 10:46 PM

13. There's no reason it shouldn't work

It's basically what we did for the banks from the bottom up instead of the top down.

Once the money starts flowing at the bottom then the economy moves and people move out of needing the help beyond the minimum income requirement. The RW is doing just the opposite by attacking minimum wage, unemployment and other social services.

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Response to Hydra (Reply #13)

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 10:51 PM

16. No idea is so great it can't be failed by lousy execution. nt

 

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #16)

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 11:27 PM

26. Of course

Nothing is foolproof, but there's a difference between a bad idea(having Booz Allen do our spying for us for instance) where a good result is more of a surprise than failure is vs. an idea that you'd have to work at to break.

If they do this in a way that is equitable and mostly free of corruption, it's quite likely to work, and might encourage other things later.

Think of Iceland and the banks- the fact that it did work without too much help shows that was the right idea. There was never a guarantee that they could pull it off though. We'll just have to see.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 10:43 PM

11. This has been my dream for years in America

But I'm afraid our abusive relationship to capitalism hasn't reached the point where enough of us will get up and leave yet.

We can but hope...

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 10:54 PM

18. He should, but instead he'd rather hurt the vulnerable by cutting Social Security.

 

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 10:56 PM

19. I wonder how much Cyprus taxes its rich. nt

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 11:35 PM

27. I will b watching

to see how this turns out!

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Fri Aug 9, 2013, 12:38 AM

28. Imagine the difference.

Extreme and existential worries are largely dealt with so one can dream of and start planning for a future. Impossible if you are "homeless" and society spits on you, as if you're a dreg to be garbaged, and you've lived like that for a decade or more. The difference is life and death.

By the way, this is also why a "single payer health insurance plan" is optimal, the reasoning and all is in the same conversation.
What I mean by "single payer plan" is one where everyone, being human, is entitled to health and pharmaceutical (generic, if possible) care - and where if a citizen can't afford a pot to piss in they are still obliged to send in for their care card, so they can use it. (No penalty for not having it, of course - since once such a situation is discovered a card is stamped out pretty much on the spot.)
The importance of this is that Doctors, I mean GPs, on meeting with a totally distraught and alienated patient, can use this as an opportunity to heal.

Medical treatment isn't all pills, tho' for purely physical ailments (high blood pressure, COPD, etc) the best treatment is available.

But also, in a single payer Gov't mandated health plan interesting new ideas, to take the load off the system and to benefit the community, have a fertile soil to grow. GPs may introduce even the most extreme patients to group lifestyle discussions geared to *their* immediate problems, with respectful feedback from *their* peers, led by professionals who've seen it all. Of course the GP would monitor the situation - because the patient comes first.

Coupled with this a minimal dental plan is also a must.
Suppose you (middle class) meet a person on the street ("homeless type", and talking with him/her you notice dental problems. The plain fact is that in the developed world visible dental problems are a no-no. You *will* take note. In many circumstances people can let themselves go and still maintain a middle-class status quo, but a "homeless type" person doesn't have that advantage when dealing with you. The dental no-no works against him/her in any dealings that might otherwise work to advantage. A minimal dental plan should give *every citizen*, "homeless" or not, timely cleaning and aesthetic work.

The whole of the above is not only possible, but it is actual in many parts of the world.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Fri Aug 9, 2013, 12:39 AM

29. Expect a news item soon where the President of Cyprus has been deposed in a "popular uprising"...

 

This will include reports on Democracy Now! of armed thugs shooting anyone who supports the president and their bodies being left to rot in the streets as a warning to others.

Oh wait,...that was Haiti.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Fri Aug 9, 2013, 12:51 AM

30. Aren't they broke? This should be interesting

 

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Fri Aug 9, 2013, 12:51 AM

31. Perhaps some folks will laugh...

but, this is not a new idea.

Read either "Ecotopia" by Ernest Callenbach, or read "Ecotopia Emerging", also by Ernest Callenbach.

Part of the idea, is that when people are assured of a basic living, that many folks will opt to put in their spare time working on social problems that need to be solved. Our current economic model leaves many of us with no extra time and energy to do anything other than work for our basic survival. Many of our social challenges are left to being solved by volunteer labor, yet they could be solved by creating fun and enjoyable jobs that also get those challenges either solved or well on the way to being solved. The problem is that most of those jobs don't pay a living wage. If we had some kind of minimum living guarantee, many people might opt to spend their spare time doing what they most love, which often turns out to benefit other people as well.

"You may say I'm a dreamer...but, I'm not the only one." John Lennon, from 'Imagine'.

Check out Callenbach's books. Very good reads, and thought provoking. What would a future that works look like?

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Fri Aug 9, 2013, 01:09 AM

33. I thought this said Cyrus, as in Bill Ray.

 

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Fri Aug 9, 2013, 01:20 AM

34. That's progressive...

 

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