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Sat Aug 3, 2013, 07:12 AM

 

A Simple Question

Would you give up your right to vote in exchange for guaranteed economic security - ie health care, food, housing for you and your family. It would involve employment and a strong safety net.

Please explain your answer.

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AverageMe Aug 2013 OP
cali Aug 2013 #1
AverageMe Aug 2013 #13
cali Aug 2013 #16
newfie11 Aug 2013 #2
daleanime Aug 2013 #3
cali Aug 2013 #4
daleanime Aug 2013 #9
cali Aug 2013 #11
treestar Aug 2013 #7
daleanime Aug 2013 #8
qualitybeatsquantity Aug 2013 #5
treestar Aug 2013 #6
dembotoz Aug 2013 #10
99Forever Aug 2013 #12
krispos42 Aug 2013 #14
PETRUS Aug 2013 #15
spanone Aug 2013 #17
JaneyVee Aug 2013 #18

Response to AverageMe (Original post)

Sat Aug 3, 2013, 07:17 AM

1. no, and sorry but I think the question is on the silly side

 

at least without context. Is this an individual thing or a society wide one? If it's an individual thing than that means that the vast majority of people giving up their vote would logically be the poor and job insecure working and middle classes, leaving the well off and wealthy to be the only voters. and if that's true, trusting them to provide guaranteed economic security is stupid beyond comprehension.

If it's a society wide thing, than I don't see how that works without a form of dictatorship.

fuck no, either way.

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Response to cali (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 3, 2013, 09:32 AM

13. This is a hypothetical

 

I am afraid more people are concerned with economic well being then they are with political freedom. Every day we see more examples of the suppression of our political freedom including the right to vote. Yet the people are accepting as long as the social safety is in tact. When does a revolution become terrorism? What happens when the economic pie has shrunk to the point that the social safety net really starts getting cut. How will the people react and how will the government respond. Unless it is Clinton, I think there is no way a Democrat can be elected in 2016.

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Response to AverageMe (Reply #13)

Sat Aug 3, 2013, 01:50 PM

16. OK, but although

 

I appreciate the context you add in this post, I'm not sure why you think that people are more concerned about economic issues than political liberty- which we don't really have anyway with the huge amounts of corporate money flooding the political system. In any case, why do you view it as an either/or situation? It's not like one can't be concerned about both.

Who says people are "accepting as long as the social safety net is intact? Certainly not the thousands of people protesting regularly in North Carolina or other activists across the country.

What do you mean by asking "When does a revolution become terrorism?

In any case, I don't at all agree that Clinton is the only dem who can win. Not to mention that the republicans don't exactly have a stellar crew to choose a nominee from.

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Response to AverageMe (Original post)

Sat Aug 3, 2013, 07:22 AM

2. No

I want it all!

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Response to AverageMe (Original post)

Sat Aug 3, 2013, 07:23 AM

3. Do you mean the vote we have now?

Which is only window dressing, or do you mean the vote we're suppose to have?

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Response to daleanime (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 3, 2013, 07:31 AM

4. speak for yourself.

 

even when it comes to the presidency, my vote is more than window dressing. It's not as meaningful as it should be, but it's not devoid of it either.

On the local level and the state level? Anything but. Bernie, Pat and Peter in Congress. A progressive state house that rocks. A viable third party. and more.

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Response to cali (Reply #4)

Sat Aug 3, 2013, 08:35 AM

9. See Post#8.

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Response to cali (Reply #4)

Sat Aug 3, 2013, 09:26 AM

11. you actually think that's proof that no one's vote is worth anything at all? Ack. Fail.

 

and no, 90% of voters in what is the most liberal state in the country sure as shit didn't want gun control. In Vermont, it's just not much of an issue. Furthermore, that's one issue. It's not as simple as your 90% either.

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Response to daleanime (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 3, 2013, 07:54 AM

7. How do you know the difference?

I think this sentiment really means: I am frustrated that a large majority of voters don't want what I want and I should have it the way I want without having to persuade them.

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Response to treestar (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 3, 2013, 08:34 AM

8. What percentage of voters wanted some simple gun controls this spring?

90%.

What did we get? Nothing.

Yes, voting is one of the things we need to do, but if that's all we do then we achieve nothing.

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Response to AverageMe (Original post)

Sat Aug 3, 2013, 07:50 AM

5. We vote under the illusion of choice and live under the illusion of freedom

 

Any change in the current reality will require destroying the illusions first.

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Response to AverageMe (Original post)

Sat Aug 3, 2013, 07:53 AM

6. No because there is no way to know if the guarantee is any good. nt

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Response to AverageMe (Original post)

Sat Aug 3, 2013, 08:38 AM

10. sort of a benevolent dictator thy the thing?

no those don't seem to work out because they always seem to stop being benevolent

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Response to AverageMe (Original post)

Sat Aug 3, 2013, 09:32 AM

12. Why should I even want to consider such a thing?

And if I need to "explain my answer" there's something seriously wrong wth you.

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Response to AverageMe (Original post)

Sat Aug 3, 2013, 09:47 AM

14. If you don't have a say in the political process...

...you will definitely NOT have economic security. The wealthy and powerful will strip you like fire ants strip a carcass, and about as fast.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #14)

Sat Aug 3, 2013, 10:04 AM

15. chickens... eggs...

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Response to AverageMe (Original post)

Sat Aug 3, 2013, 01:50 PM

17. please explain your question

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Response to AverageMe (Original post)

Sat Aug 3, 2013, 01:51 PM

18. No.

 

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