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Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:40 PM

'Circumcision is one of the oddities of the Royal Family'

It is one of the oddities of the Royal Family -- shared by the majority of the English upper classes -- that for many generations they have circumcised their male sons, invariably using a Mohel, the Jewish word for a circumcision practitioner. It was rarely done on medical grounds, nor on religious ones, but was a matter of class.

This has prompted some speculation as to whether the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge will chose to follow suit. Understandably, Clarence House will not comment on such a private and delicate matter.

However, it is unlikely because the connection between class and circumcision, which continued up into the 1970s, has all but died out in Britain. Indeed by the time the Duke of Cambridge himself was born in 1982, it is understood that Diana, the Princess of Wales, refused to continue the tradition, in keeping with the then medical opinion that it was an unnecessary procedure whose risks outweighed any possible benefits.

The NHS now tries to guide parents away from the practice and the most recent figures suggest just 3.8 per cent of male babies are circumcised in the UK. This is down from a rate of 20 per cent in the 1950s, when there was a belief, especially among those who could afford to have it done privately, that it was more hygienic.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/10201882/Circumcision-is-one-of-the-oddities-of-the-Royal-Family.html

Whether the royal baby is getting the royal snip is our new obsession
http://now.msn.com/royal-baby-circumcision-decision-still-to-be-revealed

Britain Wonders if Baby Prince Will be Circumcised; Prince Charles Snipped by Royal Mohel
http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/07/24/britain-wonders-if-baby-prince-will-be-circumcised-prince-charles-snipped-by-royal-mohel/

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Reply 'Circumcision is one of the oddities of the Royal Family' (Original post)
Jesus Malverde Jul 2013 OP
FSogol Jul 2013 #1
greatauntoftriplets Jul 2013 #3
hlthe2b Jul 2013 #7
HappyMe Jul 2013 #4
Historic NY Jul 2013 #19
liberal N proud Jul 2013 #2
LineReply !
LeftofObama Jul 2013 #5
Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #6
CTyankee Jul 2013 #8
RebelOne Jul 2013 #18
Blue Owl Jul 2013 #9
pinboy3niner Jul 2013 #13
Agschmid Jul 2013 #14
TroglodyteScholar Jul 2013 #25
Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #28
Hoyt Jul 2013 #10
DJ13 Jul 2013 #11
Agschmid Jul 2013 #15
Bonobo Jul 2013 #12
LittleBlue Jul 2013 #16
Mr. David Jul 2013 #21
dflprincess Jul 2013 #26
Ron Obvious Jul 2013 #17
Historic NY Jul 2013 #20
bluestate10 Jul 2013 #22
flvegan Jul 2013 #23
zbdent Jul 2013 #24
customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #27
HiPointDem Jul 2013 #29
muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #30
Jesus Malverde Jul 2013 #31

Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:43 PM

1. Batten down the hatches, DU, it's a Royal Family Circumcision thread!

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Response to FSogol (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:48 PM

3. Do you suppose that they do it while at Olive Garden nursing their pit bull & smoking fried chicken?

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Response to greatauntoftriplets (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:53 PM

7. Let the pitbull mascot for Olive Garden (and resident guardian of nursing Moms) do it...

I keed, I keed.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:49 PM

4. ....




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Response to FSogol (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 07:55 PM

19. Thats the "cutting edge" of modern media reporting.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:46 PM

2. Optimism: cutting off an inch before you know how big it will get.


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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:50 PM

5. !

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:51 PM

6. This should end well

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:54 PM

8. My husband asked, after the royal birth, when's the bris?

but of course you don't have to have a mohel to do it. My obstetrician did it for my son (he was Jewish, we parents were not).

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #8)

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 07:38 PM

18. My doctor did for my son in his office when my son was only 2 weeks old.

My husband and I were not Jewish and neither was the doctor. My sister who married a Jewish guy had two sons and they each had a bris.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:56 PM

9. Everywhere you look, weiners keep rearing their ugly heads

n/t

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Response to Blue Owl (Reply #9)

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 07:27 PM

13. The mohel things change, the mohel they remain the same. nt

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Response to Blue Owl (Reply #9)

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 07:29 PM

14. It's not so ugly uncircumcised.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #14)

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 08:33 PM

25. Who are you trying to fool?

It's ugly no matter how you slice it....

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #14)

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 11:52 PM

28. Nope, then it is just fugly.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 07:20 PM

10. This thread is causing me great pain.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 07:22 PM

11. Im glad you only posted a snip of that article

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Response to DJ13 (Reply #11)

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 07:30 PM

15. I declare you the wiener!

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 07:25 PM

12. The job of Mohel doesn't pay well.

That's why they always take tips.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 07:32 PM

16. ...

 



Love that one

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 07:59 PM

21. Our local mohel is a jeweler on his day job.

 

He did a good job with my son.

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Response to Mr. David (Reply #21)

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 09:18 PM

26. That reminds me of this SNL "ad"

At the time one of the car companies was claiming their car had such a smooth ride a jeweler could cut a diamond while riding in the back seat.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/hl-4597098/saturday_night_live_royal_deluxe_ii_season_3/

"A beautiful baby & a beautiful car."

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 07:34 PM

17. At least...

At least they're not circumcising their female sons.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 07:56 PM

20. I heard that Prince William said take a little off the top.

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #20)

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 08:04 PM

22. And try not to take anything off the bottom. nt

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 08:05 PM

23. I'm so glad I'm around for this thread.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 08:16 PM

24. a snip off the old block ...

or a chip off the young bloke?

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 09:30 PM

27. "Understandably, Clarence House will not comment on such a private and delicate matter."

So this is where they chose to draw the line? I thought we had TMI for the last ten days!

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 11:53 PM

29. if the royals circumcize but the commoners don't, what is the origin of this distinction?

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #29)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 06:32 AM

30. There isn't a particular distinction

apart from the affordability of a minor, but pointless, op. As the links say, when the last generation of the royal family had it done, about 20% of British people did; the NHS doesn't (and didn't) do it for free unless there is thought to be a medical need (and medical opinion, which used to think that it was a good idea with some tight foreskins, has turned away from that in the past 50 years or so), and so it would have been restricted to those that could afford a private op. Quite a few people did, including the royal family, but not everyone. Now, it's basically only Muslims and Jews.

I think it's worth pointing out that Britain really doesn't give a toss about this. This is not a common topic for discussion.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #29)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:58 AM

31. King George I

Circumcision for members of the royal family in England dates back to King George I, who introduced the custom. Queen Victoria traced the British royal family’s tree back to ancient Israel’s King David, and insisted that her sons be circumcised along the lines of Jewish tradition, which calls for foreskin to be snipped on the eighth day after birth.

Edward VII, the Duke of Windsor and Prince Charles all had their foreskins removed, the latter by Jacob Snowman GP, at Buckingham Palace in 1948. Charles’ brothers Andrew and Edward were also snipped.

According to Anthony Holden’s biography of Prince Charles, cited by the Evening Standard, Jacob Snowman was summoned to the palace five days after Charles’s christening. Snowman was a mohel, a religious circumcision specialist, from London’s Jewish community, and he was chosen over the royal physician to perform the ritual.


http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/07/24/britain-wonders-if-baby-prince-will-be-circumcised-prince-charles-snipped-by-royal-mohel/

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