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Sat Dec 17, 2011, 05:29 PM

The Case for Obama...a truly historic presidency

The Case for Obama
The charges are familiar: He's a compromiser who hasn't stood up to the GOP or Wall Street. But a look at his record reveals something even more startling — a truly historic presidency

By Tim Dickinson
October 13, 2010

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But such selective indictments — legitimate and troubling in many of their particulars — grossly distort the sweep of the 44th presidency...From the outset, it was inevitable that Obama's transcendent campaign would give way to an earthbound presidency — one constrained by two wars, an economy in free fall and an opposition party bent on obstruction at any price. "Expectations were so sky-high for him that they were impossible to fulfill," says presidential historian Douglas Brinkley. "Obama's partly to blame for this: People were expecting a progressive revolution. What the president has delivered instead is gritty, nuts-and-bolts, political legislative work — and it's been rough."

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This bloodless, if effective, approach to governance has created a perilous disconnect: By any rational measure, Obama is the most accomplished and progressive president in decades, yet the only Americans fired up by the changes he has delivered are Republicans and Tea Partiers hellbent on reversing them. Heading into the November elections, Obama's approval ratings are mired in the mid-40s, and polls reflect a stark enthusiasm gap: Half of all Republicans are "very" excited about voting this fall, compared to just a quarter of Democrats. "Republicans have succeeded in making even the president's victories look distasteful, messy — and seem like bad policy steps or defeats," says Norman Ornstein, a scholar at the conservative American Enterprise Institute. "Many on the left have expressed nothing but anger, frustration and disappointment."

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In fact, when the history of this administration is written, Obama's opening act is likely to be judged as more impressive than any president's — Democrat or Republican — since the mid-1960s. "If you're looking at the first-two-year legislative record," says Ornstein, "you really don't have any rivals since Lyndon Johnson — and that includes Ronald Reagan."

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Taken together, Barack Obama's achievements are not only historic in their sweep but unabashedly liberal. By contrast, President Clinton's top legislative victories — NAFTA and welfare reform — catered to the right wing's faith in free markets and its loathing of big government. "When you add them all together, it's clear that Obama's accomplishments have been underrated," says Brinkley. "Saving the auto industry, health care, getting out of Iraq — these are big things for the progressive movement."

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-case-for-obama-20101013#ixzz1gpTaarxi


And that was before repealing DADT, signing the START treaty, getting Osama bin Laden and ending the Iraq war.

Still, let's look at one policy enacted in early 2010: health care reform, which AFL-CIO President Rich Trumka described as "a goal of the labor movement since the 19th century"
http://www.aflcio.org/mediacenter/prsptm/sp06032010.cfm

Since the health care reform was signed into law, Republicans have been relentless in trying to repeal it.

Why Republicans are So Intent on Killing Health Care Reform

by Richard Kirsch

It’s not just about expanded care. It’s about proving our government can be a force for the common good.

Why are John Boehner, Eric Cantor and Mitch McConnell so intent on stopping health care reform from ever taking hold? For the same reason that Republicans and the corporate Right spent more than $200 million in the last year to demonize health care in swing Congressional districts. It wasn’t just about trying to stop the bill from becoming law or taking over Congress. It is because health reform, if it takes hold, will create a bond between the American people and government, just as Social Security and Medicare have done. Democrats, and all those who believe that government has a positive place in our lives, should remember how much is at stake as Republicans and corporate elites try to use their electoral victory to dismantle the new health care law.

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There’s nothing new here. Throughout American history, health care reform has been attacked as socialist. An editorial published in the Journal of the American Medical Association in December 1932, just after FDR’s election, claimed that proposals for compulsory insurance “were socialism and communism — inciting to revolution.” The PR firm that the American Medical Association hired to fight Truman’s push for national health insurance succeeded in popularizing a completely concocted quote that it attributed to Vladimir Lenin: “Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the Socialist State.”

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The Right has always understood how high the American view of the role of government would be lifted if people came to rely on government for something as essential to a person’s well-being as health care. This year, the animus that the Right maintains toward the New Deal and Great Society programs and philosophy — Social Security, Medicare, the constitution allowing the federal public to regulate commerce — has become visible in the Tea Party movement. The last thing that the corporate and ideological Right want is for health care to be a new pillar added to the foundation of government social insurance.

http://www.newdeal20.org/2010/11/08/why-republicans-are-so-intent-on-killing-health-care-reform-26298/


The health care law is still being implemented and the benefits are adding up, everything from banning the practice of denying coverage to those with a pre-existing condition to providing a path to single payer.

Low-income state workers begin to gain access to Children’s Health Insurance Program
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/2011/11/04/gIQAeDvotM_story.html

New Data: Obamacare Extended Health Coverage To At Least 2.5 Million Young Adults
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011/12/14/389000/new-data-obamacare-extends-health-coverage-to-25-million-young-adults/

HHS announces record number of National Health Service Corps members
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/hhs-announces-record-number-of-national-health-service-corps-members-2011-10-13

Rate Review: Cutting Costs for Consumers and Small Businesses – Chapter One
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/10/13/rate-review-cutting-costs-consumers-and-small-businesses-chapter-one

Reducing costs, protecting consumers: The Affordable Care Act on the one year anniversary of the Patient’s Bill of Rights
http:// www.hhs.gov/news/press/2011pres/09/20110923a.html

New Report Finds Vermont Could Save As Much As $1.8 Billion By 2020 From Shifting To Single Payer
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011/11/02/359157/vermont-save-billion-by-2020-single-payer/

Vt. gets $18M for health exchange
http://www.pnhp.org/news/2011/december/vt-gets-18m-for-health-exchanges

Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer Will Seek Health Care Law Waiver To Establish Single Payer In His State
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011/09/29/332031/montana-governor-waiver-for-single-payer/

Whether it's saving the auto industry, ending DADT (which effectively ended the problem that gave rise to the policy: the ban on gays serving openly in the military), strengthening labor and environmental policies, helping low income communities and families, targeting homelessness, establishing the CFPB and other reforms, more than most Presidents, the policies implemented by President Obama will have a lasting positive impact on real families for generations.

Oh, and here is a must-read floor speech on the stimulus:

Senator Franken: The importance of the Reocovery Act

Another vital component of the Recovery Act that is often overlooked is its expanded funding for unemployment insurance that helped keep 3.3 million people, including 1 million children, out of poverty in 2009. Another overlooked but critical program in the Recovery Act is the funding for Head Start. The $2 billion allocation preserved Head Start and Early Head Start programming for 64,000 children across the country-over 900 in Minnesota alone. These programs are helping the most vulnerable kids in our communities.

It's simple-economic analysis suggests that the Recovery Act boosted demand, created millions of jobs, kept families in their homes, and helped the economy start growing again.

Let me tell you what I love about being a Senator. As opposed to being a candidate for Senate. I think most of my colleagues can relate to this. When you're a candidate, you're speaking mainly to your own party. When you're trying to get the nomination, when you're getting out the vote. But as a Senator, you talk to everyone. I travel all over the state of Minnesota and meet with mayors and city council members, and county commissioners, and small businesses.

And everywhere I go, they thank me for the Recovery Act. They thank me for the teachers and firefighters, for the Workforce Investment Act funds, which they used to train people for jobs. For the highway extension or the wastewater plant or the funds for rural broadband or for weatherization of public buildings.

In fact, Michael Gunwald, writing for Time Magazine, said this: "the Recovery Act is the most ambitious energy legislation in history, converting the Energy Department into the world's largest venture-capital fund. It's pouring $90 billion into clean energy, including unprecedented investments in a smart grid; energy efficiency; electric cars; renewable power from the sun, wind and earth; cleaner coal; advanced biofuels; and factories to manufacture green stuff in the U.S. The act will also triple the number of smart electric meters in our homes, quadruple the number of hybrids in the federal auto fleet and finance far-out energy research through a new government incubator modeled after the Pentagon agency that fathered the Internet."

http://franken.senate.gov/?p=news&id=1110

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Reply The Case for Obama...a truly historic presidency (Original post)
ProSense Dec 2011 OP
mcar Dec 2011 #1
tblue Dec 2011 #2
ProSense Dec 2011 #5
Hutzpa Dec 2011 #45
housewolf Dec 2011 #8
Wait Wut Dec 2011 #21
Skittles Dec 2011 #34
rhett o rick Dec 2011 #3
ProSense Dec 2011 #6
housewolf Dec 2011 #4
ProSense Dec 2011 #11
JTFrog Dec 2011 #39
BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2011 #43
siligut Dec 2011 #47
housewolf Dec 2011 #55
housewolf Dec 2011 #7
CJCRANE Dec 2011 #9
pnorman Dec 2011 #10
DeathToTheOil Dec 2011 #12
orwell Dec 2011 #13
ProSense Dec 2011 #19
housewolf Dec 2011 #14
demtenjeep Dec 2011 #15
demtenjeep Dec 2011 #16
housewolf Dec 2011 #18
demtenjeep Dec 2011 #61
housewolf Dec 2011 #17
joshcryer Dec 2011 #22
themadstork Dec 2011 #20
certainot Dec 2011 #23
housewolf Dec 2011 #24
Skittles Dec 2011 #33
ProSense Dec 2011 #38
Tx4obama Dec 2011 #25
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airplaneman Dec 2011 #28
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ProSense Dec 2011 #30
cheapdate Dec 2011 #31
ProSense Dec 2011 #32
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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 05:39 PM

1. Thanks

I love your posts ProSense. You are one of the reasons I keep coming to DU.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 05:41 PM

2. Dear ProSense,

You work so hard to boost our president. I hope he realizes what a loyal, 100% rock-solid defender and supporter he has in you. (I don't know if you're on his payroll, but you should be. You've earned it! )

I wish I believed all that's written in your post here so I could share your enthusiasm and let go of the weariness I feel toward our president. I don't, but I am not about to stomp all over your heartfelt message by going into sordid detail and refutations. Nope. I respect you too much to want to bring you down.

I wish you very happy holidays and a new year of peace, health, and prosperity for all of DU. Really.

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Response to tblue (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 05:56 PM

5. This

"I don't know if you're on his payroll, but you should be. You've earned it!"

...may surprise you, but I do this for fun. I actually get a kick out of it as a supporter of the President.

Rest your head.

Peace and joy for the holidays.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 01:19 PM

45. "Peace and joy for the holidays"

you are a diamond.

You deserve everything accolades my friend.

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Response to tblue (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 06:01 PM

8. please, please, please, go read the article

It's really worth the time to at least go look at it if you have a negative view of the President. You may find a surprise or two.

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Response to tblue (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 09:31 PM

21. That was one of the best responses I've ever seen on DU.

I hope your attitude is contagious.

Peace to you, as well.

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Response to tblue (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 03:05 AM

34. um

you should never be a "100% rock-solid defender and supporter" of ANY POLITICIAN

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 05:46 PM

3. I too appreciate your loyality and tenacity and wish you a happy holiday season. nm

 

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 05:57 PM

6. Same to you. n/t

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 05:52 PM

4. More from the Rolling Stone article - what we forgot or didn't notice

Less than halfway through his first term, Obama has compiled a remarkable track record. As president, he has rewritten America's social contract to make health care accessible for all citizens. He has brought 100,000 troops home from war and forged a once-unthinkable consensus around the endgame for the Bush administration's $3 trillion blunder in Iraq. He has secured sweeping financial reforms that elevate the rights of consumers over Wall Street bankers and give regulators powerful new tools to prevent another collapse. And most important of all, he has achieved all of this while moving boldly to ward off another Great Depression and put the country back on a halting path to recovery.

Along the way, Obama delivered record tax cuts to the middle class and slashed nearly $200 billion in corporate welfare — reinvesting that money to make college more accessible and Medicare more solvent. He single-handedly prevented the collapse of the Big Three automakers — saving more than 1 million jobs — and brought Big Tobacco, at last, under the yoke of federal regulation. Even in the face of congressional intransigence on climate change, he has fought to constrain carbon pollution by executive fiat and to invest $200 billion in clean energy — an initiative bigger than John F. Kennedy's moonshot and one that's on track to double America's capacity to generate renewable energy by the end of Obama's first term.

On the social front, he has improved pay parity for women and hate-crime protections for gays and lesbians. He has brought a measure of sanity to the drug war, reducing the sentencing disparity for crack cocaine while granting states wide latitude to experiment with marijuana laws. And he has installed two young, female justices on the Supreme Court, creating what Brinkley calls "an Obama imprint on the court for generations."

What's even more impressive about Obama's accomplishments, historians say, is the fractious political coalition he had to marshal to victory.

In his quest for progress, Obama has also had to maneuver against an unrelenting head wind from the "Party of No" and its billionaire backers. "Obama is harassed as well as opposed," says Princeton historian Sean Wilentz. "The crazy Republican right is now unfettered. You've got a Senate with no adult leadership. And Obama's up against Rupert Murdoch, Dick Armey, the Koch brothers and the rest of the professional right." Compared to the opposition faced by the most transformative Democratic presidents, adds Wilentz, "it's a wholly different scale."

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-case-for-obama-20101013#ixzz1gpqdqtXd



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Response to housewolf (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 07:28 PM

11. Thanks n/t

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Response to housewolf (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 12:12 PM

39. "At its zenith, Obama's governing coalition in the Senate comprised 57 Democrats, a socialist,

 

a Republican turncoat — and Joe Lieberman."

Johnson had 68 Dem senators.
FDR had 69 Dem senators.

Very impressive to say the least. That article sheds some light on the argument: "Obama had a majority in both houses for two years!".



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Response to housewolf (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 12:47 PM

43. +1

really wish the media weren't a corporate subsidiary of RepubliKKKorps (tm). More people might know some important facts.

I'm glad RollingStone laid it out, at least.

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Response to housewolf (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 01:30 PM

47. "The Party of No."

"In his quest for progress, Obama has also had to maneuver against an unrelenting head wind from the "Party of No" and its billionaire backers. "Obama is harassed as well as opposed," says Princeton historian Sean Wilentz. "The crazy Republican right is now unfettered. You've got a Senate with no adult leadership. And Obama's up against Rupert Murdoch, Dick Armey, the Koch brothers and the rest of the professional right." Compared to the opposition faced by the most transformative Democratic presidents, adds Wilentz, "it's a wholly different scale.""


It is a wonder he has managed to get anything done at all.

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Response to siligut (Reply #47)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 05:08 PM

55. I think so too

A president can only do so much without a supportive Congress - in BOTH houses. Obama had a supportive House for 2 yrs and a minimally supportive Senate for 3, against a Republican party bound and determined to not let him pass ANYTHING. So much of what he's tried to accomplish has been blocked by the Repbus and people tend to forget.



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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 05:58 PM

7. And more

Please, please, please - go read (or at least skim) the whole article



The historic progress that Obama has made is evident in eight key areas:

1 | Averting a Depression

2 | Recovery Act

3 | Saving Detroit

4 | Reforming Health Care

5 | Cutting Corporate Welfare

6 | Restoring America's Reputation

7 | Protecting Consumers

8 | Launching a Clean-Energy MoonShot





Read the details: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-case-for-obama-20101013#ixzz1gpqwVoSf

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 06:21 PM

9. K&R

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 07:07 PM

10. K & R!

n/t

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 07:35 PM

12. K'd & R'd

 

Obama's the best you're gonna get in 2012.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 07:36 PM

13. K&R'd Dear Pro...

...You are one of the few reasons I still come here.

Your posts are thorough and fact-based.

You bring the "Democratic Party" to DU.

The site should pay you to post.

Thanks again and warmest holiday wishes...

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Response to orwell (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 08:48 PM

19. Thanks

for the kind words.

Best wishes for the holidays!

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 07:41 PM

14. What a sad commentary on the current state we're all in

when a thread here in DU expressing disappointment of Obama has, at the moment, 115+ enthusiastic replies of support and over 1000 view, while this one has 10 replies and only 160 viewws.

So sad to see that so many would rather wallow in their disappointment then make an attempt to see things differently.










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Response to housewolf (Reply #14)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 07:54 PM

15. Just think what he could do with support from congress

but they are hell-bent on getting that "@#% " out of office

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Response to demtenjeep (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 07:54 PM

16. to the detriment of the rest of the citizens of this nation

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Response to demtenjeep (Reply #16)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 08:13 PM

18. What are you saying here?

I don't get it


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Response to housewolf (Reply #18)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 10:08 PM

61. That Obama has accomplished many great things but that the repuke congress

to the detriment of the American people are hell bent in making PResident Obama fail

not caring that America fails as well

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Response to demtenjeep (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 08:11 PM

17. Well, 53 or 54 or so of them are

I'd disagree that the Dem senators are "hell-bent on getting" him out of office

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Response to housewolf (Reply #14)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 09:38 PM

22. Defeatism is a strong emotion.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 09:03 PM

20. wow ty

though there's so much to chew on here, would it fit better in Good Reads?

Either way I look forward to exploring these links in more detail.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 09:58 PM

23. the thing that bugs me the most

is that the 'left' evaluates their reps as if there weren't 1000 coordinated radio stations reaching 50 mil a week channeling corporate think tanks with million dollar PR pros working in shifts to make sure US media and politics is 100% pro corporate and antidemocratic, obstructing everything and anyone progressive, liberal, and rational.

there is absolutely NO organized opposition to it and until then criticism of dem reps and presidents as traitors and ineffective is plain fucking stupid unless they actually vote republican. anything in between is politics and compromise and because the 'left' ignores talk radio we get to play catchup and whine about how our guys can't play without a front line.

the really silly thing is their leader is rush limbaugh, and his team was invisible as, for example, it spent months convincing enough idiots (because there was no response from the left) that not raising the debt ceiling had advantages for republicans and america.

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Response to certainot (Reply #23)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 10:11 PM

24. Yes, and it makes me sad

that so many Dems and lefties have allowed themselves to be influenced (dare I say "bought into" the right-wing's endless propaganda campaign against Obama




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Response to housewolf (Reply #24)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 02:59 AM

33. BULLSHIT

is that what you think - Democrats are disillusioned because they are falling for REPUKE PROPGANDA?????? TRY AGAIN.

http://www.freep.com/article/20111218/NEWS06/112180464/Michigan-s-homeless-students-Foreclosure-crisis-takes-toll-31-000-kids?odyssey=mod

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Response to Skittles (Reply #33)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 11:15 AM

38. You

"BULLSHIT"

...can yell that, but this mess wasn't created by the President, and his policies are having an impact despite intense obstruction.


Michigan jobless rate dips below 10% for first time in 3 years
http://www.freep.com/article/20111214/BUSINESS06/111214029/Michigan-unemployment-rate?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE


Good thing President Obama saved the auto industry.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 10:14 PM

25. A big KICK and a rec :) n/t

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 10:40 PM

26. Thanks for the link to the Rolling Stone article

And let me also wish you a happy and peaceful holiday.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 11:05 PM

27. Kick

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 11:06 PM

28. Thank you Prosense for an inspirational article.

Yes I too am getting frustrated with too many DUers with nothing positive to say about Obama. In my mind it is imperative that he gets 8 years to do his work and I worry hearing too many here who sound as if they might not even vote or vote independent. The US population as a group is not very educated on facts. The Republicans are going the route of disinformation to achieve their goals. This is a dangerous war of the 1% against the 99%. They will never give up and neither should we. Obama is not the lesser of two evils he is on our side. IF Obama looses then so does this round of progressive changes. I hope enough of you are with me to vote and make a difference.
-Airplane

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 11:08 PM

29. Prosense, look at the love you are getting in this thread!

YOU are spreading the truth and trying to get the word out. YOU are uplifting all of the positive and reminding everyone that much good has been done. YOU are not wallowing in doom and gloom and trying to make everyone reading this board depressed/miserable/defeated.

YOU are appreciated! You are the Best of DU.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #29)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 11:40 PM

30. Thanks

to everyone for the kind words.



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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 12:20 AM

31. Thank you, ProSense.

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Response to cheapdate (Reply #31)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 01:13 AM

32. You're welcome.

Just a little uplifting thread for the holidays.

Best wishes.



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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 07:03 AM

35. Amen! An article of sanity

Why isn't this on the first page?

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 07:15 AM

36. Thats my President

I love him.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 10:28 AM

37. Thank you, Prosense.

K&R

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 12:12 PM

40. I'm going to give ProSense a compliment...

While I don't always agree with what he/she posts and I am one who will not shy from criticism of the President when I feel it is warranted, I give ProSense kudos for providing their supportive viewpoint on GD civilly--without insults (and without feeling the need to remain sequestered in the protected climes of the BOG).

I'd like to see ProSense's example echoed on both sides of the "divide".

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 12:18 PM

41. The Case for Obama...a truly historic presidency

"He has brought 100,000 troops home from war and forged a once-unthinkable consensus around the endgame for the Bush administration's $3 trillion blunder in Iraq. He has secured sweeping financial reforms that elevate the rights of consumers over Wall Street bankers and give regulators powerful new tools to prevent another collapse. And most important of all, he has achieved all of this while moving boldly to ward off another Great Depression and put the country back on a halting path to recovery."

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-case-for-obama-20101013#ixzz1gu2MkNFD

From your Rolling Stone piece.. Sorry I have to respectfully disagree.

Actually Obama was forced to end the occupation in Iraq by Bush's "Status of Forces" agreement and the Iraqi Government .. Obama's preference was a continued presence in Iraq.
What sweeping reforms? The "too big to fail" banks, are even bigger and continue to operate as they did before they took down the economy. How many Wall Street Banksters have we seen Obama's Justice Dept. prosecute to date?
As far a boldly warding off another Great Depression there are a number of economists who claim we're in a depression..
A bold president would've fought for a robust stimulus bill instead of the compromised piece of crap that ended up being woefully inadequate.The so called progressive Obama ignored a number of liberal economists who had the welfare of the 99% in mind when they pretty much begged him to fight for a "real" jobs bill and flat out predicted Obama's compromised stimulus bill was too full of tax cuts and not enough $$$ for job creation. We now find out now the Fed was secretly handing the Banks $7 trillion in close to interest free loans to the big banks while they were short sheeting the 99%. Did Obama know about those loans??? Anyone even care?
A bold President would've created an FDR type WPA that would've quickly delivered $$$ to create needed jobs repairing our rotting infrastructure. Does our 'liberal" president even mention the legacy of FDR? Which would be fitting considering he was the last President who helped dig us out of the last great depression. No, instead he admires Reagan the man most responsible for our current situation.
Now the republicans get to campaign on the failure of the "Obama socialist" stimulus bill along with "Obama's socialist" health insurance industry controlled health care plan... And our nation remains as divided as it was before Obama became president.
Historic? Not from where I sit.

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Response to raindaddy (Reply #41)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 12:30 PM

42. I

"Actually Obama was forced to end the occupation in Iraq by Bush's "Status of Forces" agreement and the Iraqi Government"

...suppose that's why he was slammed for it since the day he took office. Now that he's ended the war it's "no biggie, Bush did it."

"What sweeping reforms?"

The Dodd-Frank news you don’t hear: It’s moving forward
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/the-dodd-frank-news-you-dont-hear-its-moving-forward/2011/12/09/gIQABo7IiO_blog.html

There's also the first-ever consumer protection bureau: http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/12/12/387430/mcconnell-banking-system-consumers/

There's this: http://www.stopfraud.gov/news.html



Just imagine how that chart would look without Republican obstruction.

FDR never experience a single filibuster.


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Response to ProSense (Reply #42)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 01:44 PM

48. Sorry, I'm Not Buying Obama's Historical Presidency

OK, He's fared better than Bush who added a woeful 1 million jobs to the economy? I'm just stating the truth about the Iraq occupation. Your defense sounds a little like an Obama never gets credit whine than the defense of a 'Historic presidency.
FDR knew how to name names and kick ass, turn up the heat, inspire the public. He wanted the public to stand up for themselves. Read some of his old speeches.. Leadership! What are we seeing today, synchronized militarized police forces using bullying tactics in the early hours of the morning. FDR would've used OWS.. Obama ignores it.
Obama supporters continue to ignore the many times Obama failed to use the power of the presidency to move the agenda in the populist direction he campaigned on.
He negotiated down from the public option instead of single payer. He even tried to deny he campaigned for the public option, remember? He secretly cut a backroom deal with the drug companies. Stacked his administration with Monsanto, Wall Street employees and old Bush cronies. Where's the Justice Dept. when it comes to Wall Street crime? Can you imagine JFK and RFK ignoring the red meat piling up on Eric Holder's plate? And then there's his rolling back on civil liberties..
Sorry ProSense.. I don't want to completely vilify Obama.. Of course, he's heads above anything the Republicans are offering. But historic presidency? Come on... FDR was historic. I guess I come from the Bill Moyers school of politics, I just can't buy into the Tim Dickinson RS article that seems more like a paid political ad for Obama than anything else.

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Response to raindaddy (Reply #48)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 01:48 PM

49. That's

"Sorry, I'm Not Buying Obama's Historical Presidency "

...okay. History will decide. My guess is being the first President to finally enact health care reform, the President who finally ended the ban on gays in the military, the President who ended the Iraq war and his other achievements will earn this President a spot among the best.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #49)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 01:57 PM

50. We'll just have to agree to disagree :)

That's a big if my friend.. Especially if we pull back the curtain and expose "the facts" behind the exit from Iraq. The negotiations that ended in a old school moderate republican health insurance co friendly health care reform bill. I'll give you the gay's in the military.
But I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

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Response to raindaddy (Reply #50)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 03:01 PM

51. OK

"That's a big if my friend.. Especially if we pull back the curtain and expose 'the facts' behind the exit from Iraq. The negotiations that ended in a old school moderate republican health insurance co friendly health care reform bill. I'll give you the gay's in the military."

What are the facts?


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Response to ProSense (Reply #51)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 03:23 PM

53. OK....


Anyone serious about negotiation... negotiates down from the progressive single payer down to the more moderate publican option.. They don't claim to start with the public option then take it off the table.
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Ending The War In Iraq: How Obama's Own Rhetoric -- And George Bush's Pact -- Boxed In The President
Dan Froomkin
The Barack Obama of 2011 and the Barack Obama of 2008 don't always see eye to eye.

Typically the presidential vision has overruled the candidate's. (Extending the Bush tax cuts, supporting indefinite detention without trial and engaging in open-ended war in Afghanistan are a few examples.)

But in the case of the complete withdrawal of American troops from Iraq by the end of this year, candidate Obama prevailed over the president.

President Obama wanted to stay longer -- as recently as a few weeks ago asking the Iraqi government to allow 10,000, then 3,000 troops to remain past New Year's Eve.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/26/obama-iraq_n_1032507.html

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Response to raindaddy (Reply #53)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 04:41 PM

54. Well,

"President Obama wanted to stay longer -- as recently as a few weeks ago asking the Iraqi government to allow 10,000, then 3,000 troops to remain past New Year's Eve."

...speculation and rumor aside:

Panetta's Signature Ends War In Iraq

Just before 7 a.m., Defense Secretary Leon Panetta signed a document, officially ending the Iraq War. Pentagon press secretary George Little tweeted:

At 6:59 A.M., Secretary Panetta approved the order officially ending the Iraq war: EXORD 1003 Victor, Mod 9.




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Response to ProSense (Reply #54)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 05:31 PM

57. The truth is in the details....

"President Obama wanted to stay longer -- as recently as a few weeks ago asking the Iraqi government to allow 10,000, then 3,000 troops to remain past New Year's Eve."

...speculation and rumor aside:

Panetta's Signature Ends War In Iraq

Just before 7 a.m., Defense Secretary Leon Panetta signed a document, officially ending the Iraq War. Pentagon press secretary George Little tweeted:

At 6:59 A.M., Secretary Panetta approved the order officially ending the Iraq war: EXORD 1003 Victor, Mod 9.
...............
You could say President Nixon ended the war in Vietnam, end of story as well if you want to ignoring the details.. unfortunately a presidency is made up of details. They made Reagan an icon by ignoring the details.... And the only way you turn Barack Obama's presidency from a disappointing mediocre Presidency into a historically good one is by ignoring the details.. O's God forsaken Afghanistan policy.. spending billions and costing the lives of thousands supporting Bush's hand chosen crooked dictator in a tribal state of warlords one of many items that come to mind.
Hey, I voted for the guy.. I WANTED to like him.. Obama left me I didn't leave him. There's a lot of folks like me out here and the Obama administration has made it clear they're not interested in listening, unless it's election time.

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Response to raindaddy (Reply #57)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 10:12 PM

62. Yes,

You could say President Nixon ended the war in Vietnam, end of story as well if you want to ignoring the details.. unfortunately a presidency is made up of details. They made Reagan an icon by ignoring the details.... And the only way you turn Barack Obama's presidency from a disappointing mediocre Presidency into a historically good one is by ignoring the details.. O's God forsaken Afghanistan policy.. spending billions and costing the lives of thousands supporting Bush's hand chosen crooked dictator in a tribal state of warlords one of many items that come to mind.
Hey, I voted for the guy.. I WANTED to like him.. Obama left me I didn't leave him. There's a lot of folks like me out here and the Obama administration has made it clear they're not interested in listening, unless it's election time.

...you could say a lot of things, but the details show that President Obama withdrew the troops and ended the war.

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Response to raindaddy (Reply #48)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 05:37 PM

58. You forget one thing -

A president alone can't do ANYTHING that relates to spending money or collecting revenues. They can set policy within agencies and they can change some rules.

Much of what you've mentioned that you're disappointed with are things that require majorities in BOTH Houses in Congress and -in the Senate, a 60% majority. FDR had majorities in both houses. Obama has never had that kind of support in Congress. A president is not a king or a dictator. There just isn't that much any president can accomplish without the agreement of Congress.

FDR had a compliant, agreeable Congress. If he'd had today's Republican Party against him, how much of his program do you think he would have achieved? FDR didn't get everything he wanted - health care, for instance, and his court-packing scheme.

I realize, after we (the Dems in Congress), rolled over and gave GWB much of what he wanted (i.e., Dems COMPLIED with Bush), that we all sort of got used to a president who we perceived as a bully. But the truth is, the Congress GAVE GWB most of what he did. Obama doesn't have that luxury. Obama has been able to accomplish only as much as the Congress would allow.

It seems to me that our focus this year should be on trying to get more Dems elected Congress and taking back the House, building a fillibuster-proof Senate.



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Response to housewolf (Reply #58)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 06:01 PM

59. I think you're the one forgetting something...

A president alone can't do ANYTHING that relates to spending money or collecting revenues. They can set policy within agencies and they can change some rules.

Much of what you've mentioned that you're disappointed with are things that require majorities in BOTH Houses in Congress and -in the Senate, a 60% majority. FDR had majorities in both houses. Obama has never had that kind of support in Congress. A president is not a king or a dictator. There just isn't that much any president can accomplish without the agreement of Congress.

FDR had a compliant, agreeable Congress. If he'd had today's Republican Party against him, how much of his program do you think he would have achieved? FDR didn't get everything he wanted - health care, for instance, and his court-packing scheme.

I realize, after we (the Dems in Congress), rolled over and gave GWB much of what he wanted (i.e., Dems COMPLIED with Bush), that we all sort of got used to a president who we perceived as a bully. But the truth is, the Congress GAVE GWB most of what he did. Obama doesn't have that luxury. Obama has been able to accomplish only as much as the Congress would allow.

It seems to me that our focus this year should be on trying to get more Dems elected Congress and taking back the House, building a fillibuster-proof Senate.

.....................
You're missing one major component.. Leadership. We're now looking at an 8% congress.. The vast majority of Americans think the country is headed in the wrong direction. We're in a middle class economic meltdown, civil unrest. The time is ripe for leadership. Using the office of the presidency to go directly to the people and outlining a solution that deals with a government that been completely corrupted by corporate $$$.
What we didn't need was three years of reaching out to the insanity that's become the Republican party for a consensus in the name of bipartisanship, a continuation of tax cuts for the rich and Bush's war in Afghanistan which was Obama's call. I presume Obama chose his own corporate/Wall Street friendly stacked administration?

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 01:06 PM

44. K&R

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 01:21 PM

46. Very good read

thanks for posting these articles.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 03:05 PM

52. I agree his presidency has been historic

as have all other presidencies.

And how can they be "unabashedly" liberal when Obama himself denies being a liberal? If he's a liberal, he's by definition an "abashed" one at most.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 05:17 PM

56. K&R. All the recs give me hope.

Oh hell ProSense, you know how I feel about ya. Please keep being you.



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Response to great white snark (Reply #56)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 06:09 PM

60. I agree

Please keep being you.

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Response to great white snark (Reply #56)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 09:04 AM

63. Thanks. n/t

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Response to great white snark (Reply #56)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 10:56 AM

64. Happy New Year

to all!

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:44 AM

65. K&R!

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:48 AM

66. A bit hyperbolic, but given the hyperbole used against the President

Turnabout is fair play.

I never had these high expectations, I guess. Just reasonable ones.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:15 PM

67. Wow, awesome.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:19 PM

68. spot on!

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:55 PM

69. Here's a big KICK for ya! n/t

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