The numbers NOBODY wants you to see. Military spend now TRIPLE that of cold war, 50% higher than

[DemocratForJustice]

GW Bush

Inflation adjusted chart


See the following for the numbers each year :-
http://www.davemanuel.com/2010/06/14/us-military-spending-over-the-years/

From this it can be seen that current military spending is now far higher than it was during the height of the cold war and the Vietnam war.

But the current numbers very significantly understate the true level of National Security spending.
The government is trying to cover up the true levels by hiding a long list of military spend in other departmental budgets.
E.G. the cost of maintaining America's nuclear arsenal, which is booked to the Department of Energy.
E.G. the increased costs of Veterans pensions and medical care that are a direct result of the wars (they are not included in the Pentagon budget).
Neither is the massive ramp up in DHS spending for domestic spying etc.

In 2011 the true level of military spending was about $930bn.
For 2012 true military spending increased VERY substantially to $1,219bn.

The REAL National Security budget - the numbers NOBODY wants you to see :-
http://www.truth-out.org/archive/item/94731:the-real-us-national-security-budget-the-figure-no-one-wants-you-to-see

N.B. CBO spending plans show that military spending is planned to increase every year from 2014 to 2023 - rising by well over $100bn from 2012 levels by 2023.

[ProSense]

1. Absolute

"The numbers NOBODY wants you to see. Military spend now TRIPLE that of cold war, 50% higher than GW Bush"

...nonsense.

The President's 2014 budget shows a decrease in the defense spending.

Throughout this year’s budget review, key determinations were made to achieve even more efficiencies, to establish more effective procurement reforms, and to initiate a review of compensation practices. All of those areas are part of our budget plan to achieve the $487 billion in savings from 2012 through 2021 to comply with the spending caps in the Budget Control Act (BCA) of 2011.

The FY 2014 Base Budget provides $526.6 billion, a reduction of $0.9 billion from the FY 2013 annualized continuing resolution level of $527.5 billion, and is consistent with Administration-wide efforts to make tough program choices within current funding constraints. This budget adjusts programs that develop and procure military equipment, re-sizes ground forces, slows the growth of compensation and benefit programs, continues to make better use of Defense resources by reducing lower priority programs, and makes more disciplined use of defense dollars.

http://comptroller.defense.gov/defbudget/fy2014/FY2014_Budget_Request_Overview_Book.pdf

The defense budget has gone down every year since 2012, a total of about $4 billion (http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2014/assets/defense.pdf) since then.

In fact, the defense budget, including war spending, has gone done drastically since President Obama took office. The drop is even more drastic if the sequestration is left in place.



http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/04/12/1861201/pentagon-cut-spending/

[dsc]

2. the defense budget has gone down every year since 2012

that would be 7/12 of a year.

[Arugula Latte]

3. A military budget 1/20th this size would still be way too effing big.

[Downtown Hound]

4. "The defense budget has gone down every year since 2012, a total of about $4 billion

since then."


Hee, hee, hee, you funny Prosense.

[ProSense]

5. That's what I said.

The defense budget has gone down every year since 2012, a total of about $4 billion (http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2014/assets/defense.pdf) since then.

In fact, the defense budget, including war spending, has gone done drastically since President Obama took office. The drop is even more drastic if the sequestration is left in place.

Those are facts. The budget has gone down since 2012, and it has drastically gone down, including war spending. since he took office



http://comptroller.defense.gov/defbudget/fy2014/FY2014_Budget_Request_Overview_Book.pdf

Make this easy for you:

FY 2008 (Oct 2007 to Sep 2008) - $665 billion
FY 2009 (Oct 2008 to Sep 2009) - $666 billion
FY 2010 (Oct 2009 to Sep 2010) - $691 billion
FY 2011 (Oct 2010 to Sep 2011) - $687 billion
FY 2012 (Oct 2011 to Sep 2012) - $645 billion
FY 2013 (Oct 2012 to Sep 2013) - $614 billion
FY 2014 (Oct 2013 to Sep 2014) - $615 billion

The FY 12 through FY 14 budgets was/will be $20 billion to $50 billion less than the FY 2009 budget.

It spiked in his first year, but has dropped drastically since then, about $45 billion through FY 2012, and will drop by about $75 billion through FY 2014.

[cthulu2016]

7. Wow... that's some awesome dishonesty

Claiming that the defense budget is the defense budget without war spending may be your best work.

Outstanding.

[ProSense]

9. What the hell are you talking about?

"Claiming that the defense budget is the defense budget without war spending may be your best work. "

I made no such claim, and both fell: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023296589#post5

[cthulu2016]

23. Which does not contradict the OP

When one exclaims "Nonsense!" about something it is common custom for the person exclaiming to be disagreeing with something said.

If the OP stated that it is higher than it was two years ago, that would be nonsense.

The fact that the defense budget has gone down is, however, irrelevant to the Non-sensibility of the statement that it is higher than during the cold war, or higher than during the Bush presidency.

(Only a person long accustomed to implying that unemployment is not a huge problem because the rate is lower than in 2009 would make such an error.)

[woo me with science]

15. +1

What a shock!

[GlashFordan]

18. Shocked to see you in as the first defender

Hehehehe

[hrmjustin]

20. Are you making fun of a longtime member?

[ProSense]

21. Welcome to DU. You're "shocked"?

Should I be saying: welcome back?

In any case, enjoy your stay.

[Laelth]

6. k&r for the truth, however depressing it may be. n/t

-Laelth

[dreamnightwind]

8. Rec'ing this

because, as noted upthread, our military and overall "security" budget could be only 1/20th of what it is and it would still be too high. Absolute insanity, it makes me wish I lived in another country that cared for its people instead of controlling every human on the planet.

[Scuba]

10. Funny, I don't feel safer.

Now if we had Medicare for All, then I'd feel safer.

[Heywood J]

11. You mean the fighter jets all grounded for asphyxiating the pilots

don't make you feel safer? Or any one of the repeatedly-cancelled vehicles? They cost about the same.

[bemildred]

12. And they are lying to us about that too. nt

[Catherina]

22. +1000000 n/t

[woo me with science]

13. We are lied to incessantly.

Thank you for this post. K&R

[woo me with science]

14. And nearly a quarter of American children live in poverty.

Obscene. And the lies are the middle finger to all of us, on top.

[mick063]

16. Dept. of Homeland Security

It didn't exist before 2001. A whole new Department created to "keep us safe".


The money for this department should be included with respect to defense spending. It is, after all, for defense.

The "shell game" crap with respect to defense spending doesn't get past me. Claiming that defense spending is decreasing, while ignoring the costs of an entire new department, is nothing short of propaganda.

Homeland Security and Dept. of Defense must be lumped together to give us the true picture of federal costs for defense.

[Kolesar]

17. You voted for the quagmire in Iraq

...and the quagmire in Afghanistan.
But you are not accountable. Politics is easy.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

19. But..but..they're keeping us safe...from being spyed on by the military..oh, wait.