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Why was a person with a violent history legally allowed to own and carry a gun? (Original Post) pnwmom Jul 2013 OP
And he still can! Just Saying Jul 2013 #1
Because the suffocating zealotry that masquerades as public debate on guns allows it. Robb Jul 2013 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #3
? blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #4
Because dada has connections? mzmolly Jul 2013 #5
I think the problem in FL is bigger than Zimmerman. He's probably not the only pnwmom Jul 2013 #6
Florida - a haven for child murderers mzmolly Jul 2013 #8
because of freedom and liberty and ron paul for president arely staircase Jul 2013 #7
What boggles my mind is -- can he really carry one now? Sparkly Jul 2013 #9
Unarmed? Trayvon was armed with a sidewalk, protect our future Jul 2013 #11
& his brother is every bit as slimy as he is. he made me sick. badmouthed martin as the attacker HiPointDem Jul 2013 #14
I hope the jury find out about Zimmerman's past rainy Jul 2013 #10
the NRA has ensured that fear and ignorance trumps logic Skittles Jul 2013 #12
good question. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #13
Because he didn't have a violent criminal history Azathoth Jul 2013 #15
He got his charge on the police assault lowered by going into an alcohol program. pnwmom Jul 2013 #16
Wrong Azathoth Jul 2013 #17
The pretrial diversion program was an alcohol program. pnwmom Jul 2013 #20
Yes it was an alcohol program, but that's not the point Azathoth Jul 2013 #22
"He cleverly responded by accusing her of the same thing"? protect our future Jul 2013 #23
I guess this is news to you, but an assault doesn't have to leave black eyes pnwmom Jul 2013 #25
Another Florida thing, I suspect treestar Jul 2013 #18
Why is anyone allowed to own a gun? LittleBlue Jul 2013 #19
Because he's a good guy Nevernose Jul 2013 #21
because guns are neat tiny elvis Jul 2013 #24
Just one thing: AZ Progressive Jul 2013 #26

Response to pnwmom (Original post)

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
6. I think the problem in FL is bigger than Zimmerman. He's probably not the only
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 11:48 PM
Jul 2013

loose cannon who's been legally walking around with a gun.

Sparkly

(24,149 posts)
9. What boggles my mind is -- can he really carry one now?
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 11:51 PM
Jul 2013

After murdering an unarmed teenager who was doing nothing wrong?

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
14. & his brother is every bit as slimy as he is. he made me sick. badmouthed martin as the attacker
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:40 AM
Jul 2013

& painted his brother as the victim, all in a sickening fake 'reasonable' voice.

i wanted to puke, it was so orwellian.

Azathoth

(4,607 posts)
15. Because he didn't have a violent criminal history
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:48 AM
Jul 2013

He was charged with shoving a plainclothes undercover alcohol officer who was arresting a friend of his for underage drinking. It was immediately dropped to a misdemeanor, which simply wouldn't have happened if he had actually swung on someone he knew to be a cop.

He and his girlfriend took out mutual restraining orders against each other during a breakup. Neither one documented any injuries.

A former employer made an unsubstantiated claim that he once got too rough with a rowdy drunk girl while working as a bouncer at an illegal house party. No documented injuries or charges, or course.

And that's it. No history of convictions for violent crimes, no trail of wounded people in emergency rooms. Just a lot of blog-fueled gossip.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
16. He got his charge on the police assault lowered by going into an alcohol program.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:05 AM
Jul 2013

And after his girlfriend accused him of assault, he accused her of the same thing. I'll say one thing for Z. He knows how to defend himself.

Azathoth

(4,607 posts)
17. Wrong
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:14 AM
Jul 2013

The charge was lowered to a misdemeanor, which allowed him to enter a pretrial diversion program and eventually have it waived. That wouldn't have happened if he had thrown down with someone he knew was a cop.

He and his girlfriend apparently had a fight. She filed, he immediately counterfiled, and both requests for restraining orders were simultaneously granted. No evidence anyone was injured. Not exactly a rare occurrence during a breakup.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
20. The pretrial diversion program was an alcohol program.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:19 AM
Jul 2013

And his girlfriend filed first. Whether or not it is rare, she accused him of a violent act, and he cleverly responded by accusing her of the same thing.

Although, even more so than with Zimmerman, he completely outmatched his GF in size and strength.

Azathoth

(4,607 posts)
22. Yes it was an alcohol program, but that's not the point
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:28 AM
Jul 2013

That's an option for first-time offenders who get hit with misdemeanors. Not people who go around getting charged with felony assault on police officers.

and he cleverly responded by accusing her of the same thing.


lol, or maybe she actually did hit him in the fight. Doubtful his request would have been granted had the police arrived to find her on the floor bleeding with two black eyes and him standing over her wearing boxing gloves.

he completely outmatched his GF in size and strength.


Can't speak to that, I know nothing about her.

protect our future

(1,156 posts)
23. "He cleverly responded by accusing her of the same thing"?
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 02:09 AM
Jul 2013

Hmmm. So Zimmerman has some experience in accusing another of what he himself is doing. So, clever person that he is, Zimmerman was instantly ready to spew his lies as soon as he murdered Trayvon. He'd been practicing.

Didn't anyone ever ask for Zimmerman to be examined by a psychiatrist?

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
25. I guess this is news to you, but an assault doesn't have to leave black eyes
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 02:50 AM
Jul 2013

or any other kind of mark for it to be an assault.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
18. Another Florida thing, I suspect
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:16 AM
Jul 2013

Having a high bar for being too violent to have a gun.

The domestic issue might have barred his having one for a year - I've seen that in Protection from Abuse Orders.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
19. Why is anyone allowed to own a gun?
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:18 AM
Jul 2013

Its primary purpose when it was invented centuries ago was to kill other human beings, and nothing has changed.

If you accept guns, the Zimmerman verdict must also be accepted.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
21. Because he's a good guy
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:20 AM
Jul 2013

A regular good ol' boy, dontcha know. And they kept letting him off the hook, again and again and again.

And now some kid's dead and I'll bet you twenty bucks he's already packing again "just in case."

tiny elvis

(979 posts)
24. because guns are neat
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 02:22 AM
Jul 2013

the smart thing for people feeling threatened by the verdict to do is
arm themselves, as the state has demonstrated that might is right
and in florida's chivalric code, the outcome of a fight is god's plan

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